Apparently, the fresh mountaintop air does not do much in clearing the mind of a confused wanna-be Church of God leader.
John Lennon's satanic song, "Imagine," according to King, is the new rallying cry for the atheist God-killers out there.
I predict that we will see new organizations of people who will promote atheism like never before in 2014. They have been brain washed by John Lennon’s moronic song “Imagine”. These are Communists right here in America! These are Socialists and Progressive Conservatives. We will see more like Thomas J.J. Altizer who wrote “The Gospel of Christian Atheism”. We will witness strange souls like William Hamilton who wrote in 1966, “Radical Theology and the Death of God”. Liberal parents will give this type of information to their children thinking that this will some how bring them enlightenment.-
Evil mad scientists are not using the "sound doctrine" of Eric King cult and are therefore turning themselves over to paganism.
While all this begins to happen more aggressively you will see Fundamentalist Christians fight for survival. They will feel that annihilation is imminent. New scientific discoveries have not been properly approached with sound Biblical doctrine by the lost denominations. We have seen people run to paganism because of this. Because the denominations refuse to bow to true Christian Reality as found in Scripture and taught by the one true church [Church of God] they will continue to fail. The modern apostate churches have let so much entertainment into their worship services just to keep attendance that they have lost the entire true Gospel of the Kingdom message. Because the ‘fundamentalists’ feel under threat they will get even more radical with error to keep their people.-
Because King and his little cult are speaking such a forceful message to the world they are being persecuted like the Jews were. The hatred that Hitler had for the Jews is the same hatred that King an his cult are experiencing. The attack is coming from Christians who mock him. LaLaLaLaLa
While all this is going on is there a real concern for God’s true Church, the Worldwide Church of God [COGSR]? Yes. Look what Adolph Hitler did to the Jews. That same hatred is coming toward those who serve the true God. Doubt it not; this attack will come in the form of some sort of fake Christianity who holds hands with paganism and atheism.-
New scientific discoveries have not been properly approached with sound Biblical doctrine
ReplyDeleteWell, there's your problem, right there! Of course, it might be that there is no sound biblical doctrine with which to approach new scientific discoveries - or old ones either for that matter.
Chicken Little King, aka Chicken Chun King. This guy is totally clueless. I can't imagine any Christian surviving with this world view, and this concept of God.
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ReplyDeleteJOHN LENNON REPLIES...(With the Tune "Imagine")
Imagine there's no EW King
It's easy if you try
No nonsense posted to us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Who would say Hurray! ...
Imagine there's no Flurry
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to give money or die for
And no screwy religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no Dave Pack
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or buildings
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
"Imagine" trumps "Praise ye the Lordo..." and "climbing through the windows leap..."
ReplyDelete"Imagine" trumps "Praise ye the Lordo..." and "climbing through the windows leap..."
ReplyDeleteI remember the song "Imagine" from back in the seventies, but never really paid attention to the words until the last few years. My personal take on the song now is; Lennon had much more understanding of what the "God" of this universe is all about. It certainly is not the fear religions of men. As has been said many times, "All religion is man made." The creator of this universe needs no man or group of men to explain, through “religion”, what life is about. So many have tried and failed miserably because it has been used to control the minds and lives of men. In order to understand, one must look within oneself. As above, so below. As without, so within. There is so much to the words of "Imagine" and to the subtleties of the video below. They are not so difficult to "see" if one thinks outside of and away from what we have been taught all our lives about "religion".
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8
Joe Moeller - Nice lyrics to John Lennon's classic. Thanks for the good laugh. I agree with Homer. I think Lennon was a visionary!
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PS - For the record, that's Lennon, not Lenin, that I am calling a visionary, LOL. I am sorry, but there are enough idiots out there that might confuse the two.
“Oh God” starring George Burns and John Denver came out in 1977 a year after I stopped attending the Worldwide Church of God. Still steeped in WCG beliefs and traditions, I didn’t go see this movie because I thought it was blasphemous. Old time WCG’ers will remember that certain movies were discouraged in the Church although our local Washington/Baltimore/Annapolis congregations would have “movie night” socials during the winter months. “Oh God” would be one of those movies that would not have been shown had it been available.
ReplyDeleteSeveral years ago, I was flipping channels, and caught the movie as it was commencing. So, I sat and watched the movie. I found it entertaining and completely harmless. In fact, I found some lessons in the movie for the Armstrong Churches of God!
Richard
Back in the day, I had held John Lennon responsible for turning everyone into hippies, a youth trend which I absolutely hated. However, it appears in retrospect that there were some good aspects and ethics produced by this era. The music contained thoughtful lyrics, and virtuoso musicianship. "Imagine" is inspirational without coming off as being preachy.
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ReplyDelete"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - God
"Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted
E.W. can't figure out why his nasty old testament cult doesn't have crowd appeal
Anonymous @ 7:24AM quoted Numbers 31:17. Has anyone ever wondered about Psalms 137 and the song we have sung for so many years? "By the waters of Babylon. There we wept and there sat down." Dwight conveniently left out the last verse. "Psa 137:9 Happy [shall he be], that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." "little ones" is Strongs H5768 a suckling: - babe, (young) child, infant, little one. This is not the idea of a loving creator. Either it is fear religion or it is "allegory" for a totally different meaning.
ReplyDeleteOne more thing - UCG explains the last verse of Ps 137 in this article –
ReplyDeletehttp://bible.ucg.org/bible-commentary/Psalms/Longing-for-Jerusalem-in-Babylon/default.aspx
The UCG article uses words like "not specifically declared" - "would then seem" - "it seems likely" - "would have to be understood" - "in this case most likely mean" - "being dashed against a rock is likely a figurative, rather than literal, expression"
Question - If this can be figurative rather than literal, then how much more of the Bible is figurative or "allegory? A few years ago a UCG “preacher” declared, “The Bible is the most accurate history book ever written.” We have been taught for many, many years that a snake talked, a stick became a snake, water was held at bay without a physical force, a donkey talked, the sun stood still, 3 men survived a fiery furnace which killed men outside the furnace, a virgin became pregnant without sexual activity, 5000 people were fed to their fill with five loaves and two fish, a physical man walked on water, a man who was dead for four days was raised to life after decay has set in, ad nauseam.
I can not believe that the laws of physics and nature established at creation can or will be changed. No longer do I accept those things listed above as literal. I do however understand that there are meaning more important, which we have not been given nor will ever be given by man and his “religion”.
Reminds me of a scripture that no one wants to hear about:
ReplyDeleteBut have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:
Jeremiah 9:14
UCG may well mean their best intentions in saying that, but I don't see any issues with a bitter Jewish writer making the long walk to Babylon and promptly writing down "Happy is he who smashes your infants brains out on a rock".
ReplyDeleteIf that offends somebody to think that the guy might have been angry enough to write that, go read "God's Law" again and ask if you really think people deserve to get stoned, burned, etc as the penalties describe for those laws.
Well, the Puritans had not yet invented the "F-bomb", leaving the earlier Jews to express themselves in the most graphic language available to them in that day. If you read the verse right before the one about killing infants, you come to the realization that the Babylonians had done this to the Jewish infants. The person expressing this lament was wishing that the Babylonians would be paid back like in kind for what they had done to Jewish infants.
ReplyDeleteIt is curious that ol' Dwight left this out of his hymn, because in the sermon which often followed the hymns, it was preached that the Germans would be doing exactly this to the offspring of our unconverted relatives. They contemporized this and incorporated it into the basic Armstrong fear package. Yet, somehow, the hymn was rendered "G-rated".
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ReplyDeleteAn historical note:
The f-bomb, the c-word, and all the other four letter words were very much invented well before the KJV came along in the early 17th century and well before even the rise of Calvinism and Puritanism in the 16th century. Our "taboo" words mostly date back to the times when German and English branched. Just read some Chaucer (14th century) and you'll come across all our bad words plus some other bawdy street language of the period. Perhaps they didn't use the f-bomb centuries ago exactly the way we do today, but English speakers then were at no loss to express themselves in terms that were every bit as colorful as we do today, if not more so. Just because you don't see it represented in the King's English doesn't mean it wasn't well-represented in everyone else's English. So, the reasons for the restraint in translated English biblical expressions stem from limitations and considerations other than the lack of invention.
Head Usher,
ReplyDeleteYou mean like these classic words from "The Miller's Tale"?
"Then Nicholas at once let fly a fart as great as if it were a thunderclap. The clerk was nearly blinded by the blast!"
Some of my friends in high school were on the athletic teams, in student government, and with real active social lives, so they didn't have time to do the assignments. For that, there were "Cliff's Notes".
One day at lunch time, my buddy Mike Jacobs was reading his Cliff's Notes on Chaucer's CanterburyTales
and suddenly broke down in uncontrollable laughter. When he regained composure, he asked, "Bob, is this correct? Cliff's says that Nicholas sticks his butt out the window and expels gas so loudly, that Chaucer likens it to a thunderclap." (So, you see, even the polite people in our own times clean this stuff up).
By the way, William Shakespeare is reputed to have been one of the members of King James' committee, and to have embedded his name (as he sometimes did in his own writings) in the 46th Psalm. Counting in 46 words from the beginning of the Psalm, you find the word "shake", and counting backwards 46 words from the end, you encounter the word "spear".
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http://youtu.be/ClIv5FEHO3g
ReplyDeleteLove that song (Imagine) by John Lennon but I like "So this is Christmas - War is Over" even more. I tried to put a link to it above. It has lots of pictures of Chrismas scenes, Santa and his reindeer flying through the night sky, etc. So sad that John Lennon was murdered at such a young age and that HW Armstrong was allowed and aided in ruining lives for so long. The positive thing is that John Lennon will be remembered with tenderness while Armstrong and his henchmen (like Hitler) will be remembered with bitterness and regret and shame.
Yes, BB, that's it exactly.
ReplyDeleteBB, I'm glad to see you mentioning Chaucer and Shakespeare in a favorable light. Although I hated every aspect of Gerald Waterhouse's sermons, the image that rankles most now is the way he curled his lip when he shouted out "Shakespeare and Chaucer!" as he told us how worthless worldly literature is.
ReplyDeleteThere is more good instruction to be found in the three stanzas (21 lines) of "Gentilesse: A Moral Balade of Chaucer" than from all the Waterhouse sermons I ever sat through.