Those poor misguided ignorant buffoons that lead the various COG's don't know what they are doing wrong. Bob Thiel does though! He is the only FINAL authority on all things scriptural relating to the end times. The rest of the uneducated and willfully ignorant leaders are in the dark about the truth.
When Thiel's end times hits these ignorant men will not know the end times is here till a bomb blows them to smithereens.
Because Thiel knows all of these hidden knowledge, he will be in Petra by that time leading his 20 followers as they install indoor plumbing in his cave and electricity - which will be furnished by bicycle power that his acolytes will peddle on 24 hours a day.
Church of God apostles/prophets need light so they can write down their amazing prophecies and predictions - which in the Church of God fail 100% of the time.
Bob Thiel writes:
Certain COG groups have misinterpreted part of this dream and believe that the toes in verses 41-43 must refer to ten currently existing 21st century nations. This mistake will mean that when the final beast power forms, if it has more than 10 (PCG) or 11 (in LCG’s case) currently existing nations that those who rely on the misinterpretation will not realize that the Great Tribulation will begin until it is too late.
Most in the USA and the Anglo-Saxon descended nations do not see the ‘handwriting on the wall” for their societies. Yet, although most in the COGs do that, they tend to misunderstand other parts of Daniel and do not see the handwriting on the wall that will affect the.
Persecution is coming and most in the COGs do not realize how the various persecutions will affect them.
Those who do understand this properly will have the opportunity to know prior to the start of the Great Tribulation, approximately when it will begin. Those that claim that the “prince to come” in Daniel 9:26 is Jesus and that He is the one that confirms a covenant with many for one week, etc., will not understand. The “prince to come” is the final European King of the North. He is the one in Daniel 11:31 who fulfills bringing the end of the sacrifice and offering 3 1/2 years (the middle of a seven year prophetic week). Jesus did not destroy the city nor sanctuary, nor is there a biblical record that He confirmed a seven-year covenant.
Those who hold an opposite view are in error.
Nearly all COG groups either do not understand this and/or have significant errors in their understanding of parts of this.
Despite more information being available, many will not understand. But in the end, the spiritually wise, the remnant of the Philadelphians, will understand: (i.e. Me and my followers ONLY)
Yet many, including those in nearly all COGs, will NOT understand key aspects of Daniel 2,7,9,11, & 12. Those who misunderstand the sequence and various particulars of the prophecies in the Book of Daniel will not know when the Great Tribulation will come and hence will likely be killed or otherwise greatly affected by it.
Rumor has it that his Doctorate is from a Diploma Mill, that would be HILARIOUS! Please say it isn't so.
ReplyDeleteWhere do I begin? It's wrong; just wrong; on so many levels....
ReplyDeleteTHIEL WROTE:
ReplyDeleteYet many, including those in nearly all COGs, will NOT understand key aspects of Daniel 2,7,9,11, & 12. Those who misunderstand the sequence and various particulars of the prophecies in the Book of Daniel will not know when the Great Tribulation will come and hence will likely be killed or otherwise greatly affected by it.
MY RESPONSE:
So simply because someone may have a misunderstanding about a difficult or obscure prophecy, even though they may be living a righteous life in every other way, then God has them killed in the Tribulation?
Thiel is preaching GNOSTICISM... the idea that "secret knowledge" is the way to find God and his favor. He furthermore inserts HIMSELF into the equation as being the "Earthly Portal" to find that God.
All of this is BLASPHEMY, pure and simple of an egotistical sociopath. Jesus himself warned of his type.
I would like a team of psychologists to evaluate all the COG leaders who claim to have some special knowledge. Afterwards I would like to hear who is deemed the most narcissistic. Perhaps as a bonus we could be told who is the most sociopathic and delusional. I think there would be some tight competition for the titles.
ReplyDeleteSame ol' guano. God protects us, and He can do it anywhere. These guys all believe in a hard to get to physical place of safety, and each want you to believe that only he is the gatekeeper. Supernatural title, and a supernatural job to go with it. Sorry, Thiel. I wouldn't even trust you for a deep tissue massage, let alone as a prophet or gatekeeper. In God we trust.
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So Thiel thinks he is going to inherit the Kingdom of God just by THINKING he knows prophecy...just like all the rest.
ReplyDelete1 Corinthians 13:8-13
The Way of Love
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[b] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
If this was so important, why wouldn't Bob tell everyone the correct understanding to the chapters he mentioned?
ReplyDeleteHere's a fun game I play when I'm between projects:
ReplyDeleteI take my copy of the DSM-5 and then compare the mental disorder surveys with the leaders of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia.
I also run through the Psychopath Check List (PCL) by Dr. Robert Hare.
As if that's not enough, I compare the material from "Snakes in Suits" to these cons.
The result?
These are very sick evil people.
They are a danger to themselves and others. The question is (outside of Weinland), why aren't they locked up?
Thiel is wrong about his interpretation of Daniel, which has nothing to do with modern times at all.
ReplyDeleteConnie Schmidt is right that "
Thiel is preaching GNOSTICISM... the idea that "secret knowledge" is the way to find God and his favor. He furthermore inserts HIMSELF into the equation as being the "Earthly Portal" to find that God."
This is also true with JWs, Christadelphians and other such like cults of Christendom who teach that you must have perfect understanding and knowledge of what they teach or you are lost.
Oh, that "secret knowledge", so important...except it's not. If it was, all the old testament saints were lost because they had no canon of scripture to understand in a certain way and perfect doctrines to memorize.
I luvs how "God protects us, and He can do it anywhere"... Like He did with those 6 million Jews.
ReplyDelete(They don't count toward or against His protection scheme, since they'll all be happy again in God's Superhappy Fantabulous Kingdom!)
In fact, any examples of God not protecting, and examples of "letting people die" are simply examples of how wonderful God is for letting people into The Kingdom, where everything will be all better in perpetuity.
Those six million Jews are in a CATEGORY, so they only count as ONE person in God's eyes.(Like a whole corporation is like a person, now.)
ReplyDeleteThe advanced Christian knows how to get around such problems-
We can have miracles galore by not bothering God with the problems others have. For instance, I easily just got another miracle pair of slippers on eBay, just by asking Jesus!
I didn't bother Him with crap like sorting out who was responsible for a downed airliner.
All those dead people can easily get those types of answers in the Kingdom.
The ACoGs really need to study Ezekiel 16:49-52 and take it to heart.
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If God exists and he wanted us to know the future he would be a lot more clear then the scriptures about prophecy. The bible is as clear as mud about the future.
ReplyDeleteNo one knows the future and it is questionable, if god exists, that he wants us to know the future.
I wonder if most Armstrongites would change their line of thinking about the purpose and impact of their prophecies if they read Jewish thought on the holocaust, and its impact on the Jewish faith.
ReplyDeleteArmstrongist theology is based on the repentance of English speaking peoples, (who have allegedly forgotten their Israelite heritage and customs) following torture and enslavement at the hands of the Germans. Based on the very real experiences of European Jews, this is plainly not what will happen. Anyone who has read Rubenstein and Weisel knows that there would be quite a different reaction to what Armstrongism sees as being the soon-coming "new" holocaust than what HWA taught.
BB
That is an excellent point, BB.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it reminds me of one the disproofs that the Christian god is the creator of mankind from the Torah.
If Yahweh did design man, then how come he couldn't figure out how to manufacture the consent of the Israelites? He couldn't evoke the response from them that he wanted, like how in the Matrix the Oracle evoked the response from Neo that she wanted, which Morpheus reflected upon as "...there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path...She told you exactly what you needed to hear, that's all.' Yahweh would say, 'Hey, let's do this," and the Israelites would say, 'Boooo,' and so then Yahweh would say, 'Okay, we're going to do this other even less desirable thing over here,' and the Israelites would then say, 'Okay, okay, uncle, let's do it the first way' to which Yahweh would respond, 'Sorry, the first option has expired.'
One could try to argue that Yahweh was evoking the responses from the Israelites that he wanted, but it seems to me Yahweh was just getting pissed off and then forcing something down their throats without their consent, which isn't the same thing. And then later on Yahweh would complain about how 'stiffnecked' and 'rebellious' they were, which is why he killed them in the desert.
It seems to me that if mankind were made by creator god, then Yahweh was a different, much less capable guy. The typical Israelite was a black box to Yahweh. He had no idea what was going on in their heads, and so he had no clue how to sell an idea to them. Therefore, Yahweh couldn't have designed what was inside those heads. Besides, Yahweh's own behavior in the pentateuch was kind of immature if you ask me.
So, it doesn't surprise me at all the the bible authors say their god is going to keep trying the same ol' things and keep expecting different results. It's exactly what you would expect if it was written simply by a bunch of guys.
So Thiel now says Daniel 9:24-27 refer to the European military - political leader often called the Beast.
ReplyDeleteOnce again Thiel has violently changed what HWA's WCG taught.
Back in 1965 Ambassador College published an article entitled Daniel Nine Proves Jesus is the Christ. It says Daniel 9:24-27 refers to Jesus Christ, not the European Beast leader.
"Daniel 9, the "seventy weeks prophecy," has already - for the most part - been fulfilled. History proves that Jesus Christ - and NONE OTHER - was the One who fulfilled the prophecies of Daniel 9:24-27. He is the Messiah! No one else appeared at the time mentioned, or did the things mentioned, DIED in the midst of the week, and caused the sacrifices and offerings in the temple to CEASE! ...
"The prophecy given in Daniel 9:24-27 is truly one of the most amazing, startling prophecies in the entire Word of God! It gives a pinpointed, detailed explanation of the FIRST coming of Jesus Christ - even giving us the EXACT DATE HE WAS TO BEGIN His MINISTRY! It shows that after three and one-half YEARS, He was to be "CUT OFF" crucified for our sins giving His life for us, thereby causing the need for other sacrifices, given as a picture of our need for forgiveness, to CEASE.
Soon, now, Christ will RETURN to complete this amazing prophecy and finish the LAST three and one-half years. He will finish confirming the covenant of God with many, all those who accept Him and obey Him! The truth is overwhelming! How thankful we should be that God is revealing the real meaning of Bible prophecy! How thankful, that our faith is NOT merely empty superstition or "belief," but is based on the proven and tested, SURE WORD OF GOD!"
You can read this article at http://pabco7.com/~pabco/daniel9.htm
Once again the unordained, self appointed false prophet Thiel has ignorantly changed what was taught by HWA's WCG and apostatized from what the false prophet of 1975 HWA taught.
(The article was written by William Dankenbring who now runs his own COG splinter group.)
Just thought of a good theme song for Thiel's youtube videos: John Lennon's "I am the Walrus!"
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