One must never forget that God only reveals secret or hidden knowledge to Church of God ministers. Whether this knowledge be on rather mundane subjects or the origins of the human race, COG ministers know it all. As we were taught to believe, Church of God ministers are the most highly educated men on earth. They have advanced degrees in studies of the fields they proclaim to know everything about.
Bob Amos Thiel has the facts regarding pre-Adamic humans. Pre-Adamic creatures was Armstrongism's way of dealing with cave men that date back hundreds of thousands of years. With a literal 6,000 year earth age, it is impossible in Armstrongism for anything to exist that early in history.
Did God make ‘prehistoric’ human-like beings prior to Adam?
Many have wondered about this as various scientists and others have made claims.
But notice a couple of observations:
Modern humans (Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the hominin clade, a branch of great apes characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; manual dexterity and increased tool use; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.Early hominids, such as the australopithecines whose brains and anatomy are in many ways more similar to non-human apes, are less often thought of or referred to as “human” than hominids of the genus Homo (Human. Wikipedia, viewed 02/21/15)
Scientists admit that all humans have the same mother, though they often consider that mother was older than Eve of the Book of Genesis.
Amos Thiel's DOCUMENTED PROOF is this:
Now, as used by critical historians, “prehistoric time” is said to refer to earliest antiquity nowhere documented in written records. But the Bible records, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). Here is a documented account reaching back to the beginning of the physical universe. “Prehistoric time,” in that sense, is therefore irreconcilable with Scripture. It should come as no surprise, therefore, to learn that biblical passages reveal occurrences prior to the time of man.So prehistoric time is incompatible with scripture? Seriously? I guess that means none of it ever happened. Dinosaurs bones were created in the various layers of stratus because we all know Dino dinosaur never roamed the earth. The bones were placed there by God. But, if dinosaurs did roam the earth then they must have frolicked with Adam and Jesus. Some Armstrongites actually believe this.
Amos Thiel declares that no humans that knew how to write existed before Adam.
If however, we define prehistoric as the time before humans began to write, then we can speak of prehistoric creatures and events.
There were no prehistoric humans prior to Adam. Including others of the ‘genus Homo.’What reason would Adam and Eve had to have had to be writing in the Garden of Eden? Who was going to read it? Was God delivering a daily newspaper so they could catch up on all the news?
As modern humans are concerned, the Bible plainly states that Adam was “the first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45), and he named his wife “Eve because she was the mother of all living” (Genesis 3:20). Adam and Eve were therefore the first humans.
Scientists and anthropologists are ignorant compared to the extensive research and knowledge that Amos Thiel has.
While there are fossil records of apes and other creatures that predate Adam, these creatures were not the same as modern humans as far God is concerned.
But many scientists have tried to teach otherwise. The Bible reveals that they should know the truth, but do not:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. (Romans 1:18-25)
According to Armstrongism, all higher education is of of the devil and therefore Amos Thiel is declaring that scientists are followers of Satan.
Many scientists have served the creature and would not accept the truth about life and humanity which they clearly should knowIt must really humiliating to possess a so-called "PhD" and yet have so little knowledge.
Bob's willful ignorance and Bible haunted baloney science is to be expected. Simply put, Genesis 1 is boiled down to "You worship water, wind, fire, animal, vegetables and minerals....Our God made your gods." Genesis 2-3 is a not so subtle story of the fall of women and a warning to the people of Israel that there would be no goddess worship in Israel. (That's why Cain's veggie offering was rejected over Abel's meat offering...Veggies are seeds and fertility symbols in goddess worship. Meat sacrifices wins!) Wsomen are the ones who sinned (even according to the NT) and not men and the religion of Israel would consist of special men, temples and lots of steak medium rare. Women are give birth painfully and say "yes Lord" to their men. That's it.
ReplyDeleteAuthentic human beings like you and me have been around for 150 to 200,000 years. I have had the DNA and mutations in my spit taken back 100,000 years beginning in East Africa and mutating into me across the Red Sea into Yemen. Up into Iran and Iraq, Uzbekistan , thru the Himalayans and into the Russian Steppes making a left turn into Europe 35,000 years ago. The lie in your story Bob is in your spit...
We share a common ape ancestor with our present day cousins, Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas which branched off 5 million years back to become them and us. Like it or not, we are hairless apes with a developed consciousness. We share 98% of our DNA with Chimps. The little difference puts one of us in the zoo and the other on the moon.
Bob..you are no scientist and quite the phoney theologian.
The Bible is full of lousy science not well done and was never intended to be taken as such.
Bob says: "Now, as used by critical historians, “prehistoric time” is said to refer to earliest antiquity nowhere documented in written records. But the Bible records, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1)."
ReplyDeleteLame reasoning. Prehistoric time Bob is found in the Fossil record. I might suggest Prothero's , "Evolution-What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters."
He's a real PhD of Paleontology and actually did the hard work of discovery and reading the fossil record. Neil Shubin's "Your Inner Fish" might also enlighten your darkened mind.
https://www.amazon.ca/Evolution-What-Fossils-Say-Matters/dp/0231139624/178-7093299-1483529?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
In light of the social issues of our current times...
ReplyDeleteWere there Pre- Adamic "HOMO" homo sapiens?
Thiel reasons like a Second Grader and sorry to the more intelligent Second Graders
ReplyDeleteThankfully, I have been praying my ass off about all this stuff, and God has answered me, giving specifics of what is murky to people less righteous than I am.
ReplyDeleteFirst, a bit of history is in order.
I have "Double Ass Praying"!
"WHAT'S THAT?" you may rightfully ask.
After digging up HWA's grave, I cut off HWA's ass and had my assistant sew it onto mine. Now, I have a double dose of "frankenass"
Later, I plan to dig up GTA's body, and have my assistant slice off his ass and sew it onto mine.
That way, even though buying pants may be a problem, I'll be able to 'pray my ass off' in triple fashion!
UPDATE: My assistant is on the run and my ass is smelling really bad.
Thankfully, Bob Theil has Fred Flintstone to explain things to him.
Hopefully, his son Bam Bam won't make the bookshelves more crooked with all his bamming.
And Mr. Slate (Mr. Armstrong) is a chip off the old rock and can roctify everything.
He certainly did not get a double portion of intelligence.
ReplyDeleteI'm really getting an education here, but not the way the boobmeister would hope. Apparently, one role of a prophet is to apply Armstrongism in such a way as to reframe and explain the unknowable. That way, one appears to have all the answers to every factor which would seem to raise questions. But, hey. The inventor of Armstrongism was himself a curious amalgam of equal parts literalist and theoretician, one who also drew more on what he learned in the advertising field than on the paucity of information which he gleaned from his aborted formal education. I guess that, for some, when you label such a person as a quasi-biblical figure "apostle" that trumps everything which would appear to get in the way, factual or not. That didn't work out too well in the long term scheme of things with the Pope and Galileo, now did it?
ReplyDeleteThe problem here is that there are alternative theories to Herb's/Bob's which are much more viable. These make much more sense than the repackaging and reselling of old elements of Armstrongism which have already been tested and failed. Many of these alternatives come from the scientific community, but some actually originated in the Christian community. As an example, the Baha'i teach that Adam and Eve were the first "God-conscious" human-like creatures. Others teach that God gradually developed and refined the human-like creatures into whom the human mind was finally implanted at the time of what the Bible calls "creation". They interpret the story of Noah to mean that modern humans (with the exception of Noah) had contaminated their generations by intermarrying with these earlier creatures. The problem with this is that there is still Neanderthal DNA present in certain modern humans who are our contemporaries. So, any flood, global or regional, was not entirely successful in "purifying" mankind's genetics.
Why do Thiel and others fight this particular point so vociferously? Well, the alternatives mess with their sabbath. This causes them to fail to acknowledge or treat certain nuances of the ancient Hebrew language, to fail to ponder the periodic revisions of scripture which are obvious from some of the verbiage contained in that very same scripture itself, and to reject what is most certainly verifiable science. And, it is not just prehistoric man that they attempt to explain away. They make a full time occupation of such explaining away. They reject verifiable historic fact in order to cling to their "true history of the true church". They constantly revise and restate their false prophecies which are based on false genetics. The late George Carlin once put out a comedy album called "Occupation: Fool". I believe there is some appropriate wisdom in that title. It would appear to apply very well to post-Herb Armstrongism, and even to the old man himself.
BB
Watching even a few of David Attenboroughs nature programs, should tell a viewer that there is mind boggling complexity in nature. His recent one on frogs was interesting. All the different species, and the way they survive and reproduce. There must be a master designer. And the laws of physics and chemistry, where did they come from?
ReplyDeleteThe story of Adam and Eve along with the Flood are pure myth. These characters never existed in space and time, including talking serpents, and are not any "first conscious human-like creatures . Religion just can't stand the stories are just that...stories. The Hebrew creation and flood stories are adaptations of earlier Sumerian creation and flood traditions with the Hebrew twist added.
ReplyDeletehttp://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm
One can never prove what any God did or said and today we'd not give any credence to anyone who heard the voice of God in their heads and they were now called to give all the rest of us instruction on the will of the Deity. "In the beginning God created..." etc was not written by any eyewitness of anything of course. It was not written by Moses either, but rather in the 6th century BCE by Priests in the captivity giving a very small cultic people a huge pedigree.
Just as the words of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane when alone and distant from sleeping disciples in the story are made up as imagined what Jesus would pray to himself (who heard this to write it down?), so these stories are written as someone imagined it must have been done by their God. It was a writing style and is why we have long winded speeches in John by Jesus and in Acts that no one could have written down on the spot accurately. Good science done well has updated the reality of how it all really was and is.
The story of Adam and Eve along with the Flood are pure myth.
ReplyDeleteDammit, Dennis! What's next with you?
Are you gonna propose the US of A wasn't founded as a Christian Nation like the fraudulent David Barton says it was???
Jesus is right now assembling bullies (who are listening to Ted Nugent tunes) to counter your awful commie oriented juxtaposition.
Luv,
Honey Boo Boo
According to Armstrongism, all higher education is of of the devil
ReplyDeleteWell, at last! We have someone to thank for modern technology! It isn't just those with Structural Visualization that has delivered us out of the Dark Ages!
And just think! The Dark Ages would have been the time when Satan had the least influence, since there wasn't much higher education and people could believe the simple truth without being distracted by science pushed on them by those who understood physics, chemistry, electronics, engineering, medical science. We should have stayed with those who could only understand religion and history -- the true value in the structural world.
Darn Satan! All those jets, cars, cell phones, TVs, PCs, refrigeration, microwaves are taking us to evil through all those STEM students!
Anyone with structural visualization needs to be stoned to death because they bring us all those scientific and engineering things that confuse us and take us away from the trooth.