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35 Irrefutable Ways to Attract a Brain Dead Ministry
An Open Letter To All Splinter Ministers
Special Announcement #22 July 2013
By Dave Pack
Important Questionnaire
A crucial series of questions present themselves before every shepherd of any rank. As you read, think hard—very, very hard!—about your original calling to serve in one or more offices under the sure guidance and direction of Christ as Head of His Church. Ask yourself each difficult question today’s circumstances require you to answer. Do not permit yourself to look away from hard realities now confronting all of God’s people.
In every age of His Church, Christ’s sheep have needed shepherds. Those with special leadership training and experience from the past will be held accountable in a greater way than all others (Jms. 3:1-2). Dereliction of duty by those “to whom much was given” will mean that “much will be required” of them some day (Luke 12:48). Take a deep breath and think of yourself standing before the “judgment seat” of Christ (II Cor. 5:10). You will be FORCED to give answers to HIM then if you are unwilling to demand them of YOURSELF now.
The millions constituting the physical remnant of modern Israel returning from captivity are foretold to come “weeping and loathing themselves” for having rejected God’s Way (Jer. 50:4-5; Ezek. 6:8-9). What about the spiritual remnant, who once knew that Way, but largely left it? Will/does this describe you? Read the above verses, and then read the following questions slowly, carefully and prayerfully. They are the biggest way that the ministry should “consider their ways.” Consider writing out the answers:
(1) Retirement—Mr. Armstrong taught that retirement is not an option for a true minister.
- Did you retire? If so, when, and why did you think yourself an exception?
(2) Non-Career—Mr. Armstrong taught that “going non-career” is not an option for a true minister.
- Did you do this? If so, why did you think yourself an exception?
(3) Established Doctrine and Tradition
- In what doctrines or traditions do you believe Mr. Armstrong “got it wrong”? (Include all areas—bespecific.)
(4) Did you actively resist false doctrine in your ministry?—or give safe sermons where you disagreed? (Be specific.)
- During the liberal years of the 1970s?
- In the WCG in the late 1980s and early 90s?
- In your splinter or splinters?
(5) On each doctrine where you came to agree with God’s enemies—either Joe Tkach, those who assisted his destruction or your splinter leader—why did you agree?
(6) Why should you still be considered for the ministry in God’s Church?
- Why should God’s flock ever again be entrusted to your care?
- Are you prepared to re-win brethren’s trust, including brethren now here whom you will likely also pastor? What about re-winning the trust of Headquarters?
(7) Did you actively pursue where God’s Truth, Church, Work, College and Government were found?
- If not, why not? Be specific.
- If so, how hard? Be specific.
(8) Have you read or viewed any of our Splinter Explanation Packet material?
- What items? Ÿ Did you at any time hear my “30 Reasons” sermons of 1993 and 1994? (Parts 1, 2 or 3?)
(9) Do you now believe again that Christ works solely through one unified organization?
(10) In light of government(s) you followed, how do you see God’s government today?
(11) Have you returned to believing that Mr. Armstrong was the final Zerubbabel?
(12) Have you returned to believing that truth only enters the Church through apostles as Mr. Armstrong said so often?
(13) Do you believe I Corinthians 12:18 applies to you with no qualifications added?
(14) Do you believe there can be exceptions to I Corinthians 1:10 and 13—regarding members or ministers in the Church?
(15) Are you willing to temporarily or permanently become an associate pastor?
(16) Are you willing to be excluded from the ministry until you requalify?
(17) Are you familiar with the new teachings that God has added to His Church on top of what Mr. Armstrong taught?
- Which ones?—and do you agree?
(18) If your ordination(s) is(are) invalid, are you interested in being re-trained for Christ’s true ministry?
(19) Do you believe ministers should be able to voice opinions to others about:
- Where Headquarters is “wrong”?
- What Mr. Armstrong taught/said/did “wrong”?
- What Mr. Pack teaches/says/does “wrong”?
- Where your boss is “wrong” or harsh, etc.?
- Where you disagree doctrinally?
(20) Do you consider yourself as having been (rate yourself from 5 being best to 0 being worst):
- Weak
- Cowardly
- Slothful
- Covetous
- Confused
- Compromising
- Foolish
- Political (And did you ever “run for office” in a splinter?)
- Heretical
- Deceitful
- Easily deceived
- Betrayed your calling
(21) Why did you lose the ability to “discern good from evil” (Heb. 5:13-14)?—and for so long?
(22) What do you consider to be your ministerial rank?
Ÿ Evangelist Ÿ Pastor Ÿ Preaching Elder Ÿ Local Elder Ÿ Local Church Elder Ÿ “Elder” Ÿ Ministerial Assistant
(23) Are you prepared to dedicate the rest of your life to serving God’s flock and fixing completely the horrific mess you helped cause in so many lives?
(24) In light of how you once saw Mr. Armstrong, do you still recognize the fruits of a true apostle when you see one?
- If you say yes, why did you follow Joe Tkach until he destroyed everything?
(25) Describe your spiritual condition today. (Also, rate your temperature from 0-10, with 10 the highest.)
(26) What 5 biggest lessons did you learn from and since the apostasy? (In order of importance.)
(27) How many times did you fast for 24 hours (or more) before answering these questions?
(28) How many times have you prayed over Psalm 51 on your knees?
(29) Having now long abandoned many doctrines you said you would never leave, how would you convince Headquarters that this time you “mean it” if you intend to now “hold fast” (Rev. 3:11)?
(30) What have been your pastoral actions during the troubles of recent weeks and months?
(31) Are you prepared to spend a full year (or more) catching up with all you must unlearn, relearn, and learnnew?
(32) What personal responsibility do you feel for the deplorable condition into which God’s people have sunk?
(33) How would you prove that you are still Spirit-led?—or were ever Spirit-led?
(34) What date did you leave the WCG, and why did you remain beyond May 1995, if this is the case?
(35) What did you do after reading the article “God’s People Back Together—SOON!”?
In due course, you will be asked to fill out a questionnaire that looks very similar to this list.
*No answers that are blank, “I’m not sure” or short responses will then be permitted.
*All wives should answer the questions, including every point applicable. (Some are obviously to be skipped.)
*Aware of recent history, and the lies and deceit of so many men and leaders, DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF!
*You are encouraged not to discuss or in any way share your answers with anyone other than God and your spouse.
Your Leaders
If you want your ministry to continue, think carefully about the men you currently support. To pooh-pooh this announcement is to risk your calling. Think it through. The leaders of your organization cannot give you eternal life. They will soon be unable to even continue your employment as a pastor or associate pastor. I will reference in the final two announcements how God will deal with certain leaders. As we leave Haggai for other books and passages, the prophecy is about to grow MUCH more serious.
Be careful you do not write me off as another “prophecy kook.” I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be. The fruits of my office show it to be different. With the passing of years, most ministers have grown confused about even some of the very biggest points of prophecy. Almost all have grown even worse with the details. Be careful you do not quickly dismiss a complex prophecy, one you are no longer equipped to readilygrasp. Just think about how you probably could not even remember that Mr. Armstrong was the Zerubbabel of Haggai and Zechariah 4—never mind WHAT THIS MEANT.
Some or many ministers may be torn over these announcements, wondering if I could be right. Haggai is a book in your Bible! His prophecy WILL soon come to pass. No other explanation of it fits—and none but Gerald Flurry is even offering an explanation. (When has that man gotten ANYTHING about prophecy right?)
Your leaders once claimed to be searching for God’s servant. One was sent! Yet humanly I am no more special than any of you. God’s pattern of government starts with ONE LEADER. You once believed this. You also once professed to know an apostle when you saw one—meaning by the fruits. Just like you did not ask to become a minister of Jesus Christ, I did not ask for my responsibilities. Who would? But God’s flock is before us, along with the greatest Work the world has ever seen.
Will you rise to the challenge?
You may soon find yourself pastoring larger or much larger numbers of brethren after reunification. God’s Church will again enjoy more and larger congregations around the world. This means greater service and greater reward—for you and those you serve. Do not jeopardize this!
Or Dave should ask...'will you work for free?'
ReplyDeleteDave says, "Be careful you do not write me off as another “prophecy kook.” I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be."
ReplyDeleteDave never knows when to stop when he is ahead.
What could anybody possibly be looking for, and what would ever make them imagine that this insufferable tyrant and egomaniac actually had it to offer? I'm thinking that he has attracted some mighty desperate and awfully compliant individuals!
ReplyDeleteThe prophecy regarding all of the ex-COGlodytes flocking to RCG had to be damage control so that all who had heeded "Clarion Call" would believe at least for a while longer that the sacrifice of their financial future would soon pay off, bigtime.
Sorry, folks! You've been Madoffed. And, since this falls within the free practice of religion, there is no recourse! Does all things in common mean that if you now have no money for groceries you get to eat at Dave's house? I am sure that if you ever attempted this, you would be learn of a whole higher level of Dave's oratory skills. (And, surprise! They would not be advocating in your favor!)
BB
Oh, and one more question to you true ministers:
ReplyDeleteHave you stopped beating your wife? Answer yes or no only.
The ministers never did drive me so much as the musicians did. Basically, I went to California to escape "childrearing "God's" way" in 1966, and the Beach Boys depiction of the So.Cal. surfing and hotrodding scene had been heavy on my mind during high school. As I've mentioned before, I had planned to "use"
ReplyDeleteAmbassador College to escape into the Southern California underground surfing and hotrodding scene. Unfortunately, when I finally arrived in Pasadena, I discovered that that was yesterday's news. Everybody had gone hippie, so I had to go it alone, pursuing my interests approximately two to three years after they had passed on the West Coast scene.
When I finally met up with one of the Beach Boys, Mike Love, in the early '80s, I expressed to him that I was worried about his cousin Brian. Mike reassured me that what had happened to Dennis would not happen to Brian, because the group had him under the care of Dr. Landy, 24-7. Well, the ACOGs were not the only place where bad mistakes were made, because we all know how the therapy of Dr. Landy turned out for Brian.
Fortunately, good triumphed over bad. Although Brian's parents had not been members of the WCG or an ACOG, and though his Dad, Murray, had worked him over with a 2x4, causing permanent hearing loss in one ear, enough good people were looking after him that he was able to conquer the problems that had plagued him, and to complete his most ambitious project ("Smile"), and to present it to the world to admiring acclaim, and to be acknowledged for the genius that he always was, albeit flawed as are all of the rest of us.
What really matters? Well, it certainly is not the ACOGs! It is Father God, and the people who are really watching out for us, in spite of the very bad detours that all
of us have taken into Armstrongism! As St. John stated, nothing can separate us from the love of God (not even the Armstrongite ministers!)
My advice to all those who have been ensnared by Armstrongism is to reexamine everything from scratch. Do your due diligence. Don't take anything for granted. Fear is a powerful thing! Be dispassionate in your final analysis. Don't let "them" determine your final destiny. That is soley between God and yourself!'
BB
Excellent advice BB, well said and done.
ReplyDelete"My advice to all those who have been ensnared by Armstrongism is to reexamine everything from scratch. Do your due diligence. Don't take anything for granted. Fear is a powerful thing! Be dispassionate in your final analysis. Don't let "them" determine your final destiny. That is soley between God and yourself!'"
I must admit that I'm impressed with the creativity of coming up with those 35 points. And the righteous aura those points project. Just like Satan portraying himself as an angel of light. At least Herbie had it right when he said people don't mature, they just learn to cover up. Dave has mastered it.
ReplyDeleteGood Point Anonymous 11:27PM
ReplyDelete"...Satan portraying himself as an angel of light"
Don't forget the spirit realm, and unfortunately, the Dark Side
Why did Dave Pack have all those suicides in his pastored churches?
Look it up.
From what perverted capacity comes the vomiting of a list like this?
ReplyDeleteWanting to attract ministers who have some idea of the Armstrong way, Pack still makes them sit under his harsh, bright light and grasp to find enough favor, after answering all these, that they'd still get a job? This is not interrogation -- it's torture.
And membership -- doesn't he say he wants to attract them, rank and file members, too? -- but you have to master the Splinter Information Packet, thousands of pages and hours of audio, before they'll tell the secret local location of the crap rented hall where "services" are held.
The man is so enamored of the belief in how "right" he is he doesn't see the vast contradictions in what he writes himself.