Q: My family/spouse/friends are opposed to me sending Common. How should I respond?
A: First, never tell family outside the Church about a command they have no chance to understand! (You would certainly never tell them even the size of a Holy Day offering.) Since we established that giving all is not possible without God, you should not expect those outside God’s Church to believe it is possible, or even a good idea. (This would also apply to a financial advisor, who would view any notion of “treasure in heaven” or being “rich toward God” as foolishness.) Remember: Family and friends cannot give eternal life. They cannot place a crown on your head or put you on a throne ruling cities beside Christ. Do not permit their opposition to jeopardize your eternal life and reward
Get counsel on this matter if you are unsure.
“Go get a big chunk out of your home. And put your money where your mouth is and send it here. And I’m not talking about one, two, three thousand either. How about ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, or one hundred thousand dollars? Go do it”
“Go get those assets and get them here”
[Speaking of Home Equity Lines] "The worst that can happen, and I'm prepared for this— is that you run it all the way up, and then you have to amortize it in a term loan after 10 or 20 years. It requires some faith, but not a lot. Now you just have a second mortgage instead of an Equity Line. It's converted into a term loan, paid over a period of 10 or 20 years, starting in 10 or 20 years. It's what I've done. I'm prepared to do it. And then, frankly, we flee before most of it ever comes due. That's just the way it is." The Clarion Call
" Wives, you can be independent in this. You have half the worth in whatever is there in your house. I'm officially telling all of you, read verses 17, 18, 19 and focus on it. Wives you have an independent voice. Legally you have half the funds. What are you going to do about it? [Pack begins a tirade and stutters heavily] Husbands, your wife, [speaks as if quoting] "Well, my wife isn't in the church. She doesn't want me to do it." You know what? [starts raising his voice] Tell her, "You don't have a voice, woman." She might say, "Well, I disagree" and she might fight ya, but, well then, that's what happens...Your wife doesn't agree that you don't eat ham, doesn't agree that you believe God isn't a Trinity, doesn't agree that you keep the Sabbath, or it could be other way around. Well, what does she agree with? Of course she's not going to agree with your tithing, or contributing on Holy Days or anything else. Or that there's a place of safety or that the whole world is coming to an end.
(1:44) Now some would say, "Well, I have to leave everything to my husband or my wife." Again, my question is, "Why?" Leave enough so that they're cared for, whether in or out of the faith? "Well I just feel that I should leave my Lutheran wife everything," somebody might say. [Shouts] Why??? Get over that feeling!!! That's what Satan wants you to do!!! He [Satan] would absolutely agree with your decision. God wouldn't agree with it. "Well my wife's in the faith. I'll just leave it to her and trust her." Well, wait a minute! She'd be the first to tell you to "Give it now— don't leave anymore than what I need." If she doesn't say that, then she's not in the faith, she's just sitting here warming a seat. The wife, in the faith, will say, "Give everything we can. Leave just enough for me." The Clarion Call
http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/clarion.htm
Please don't tell anyone outside RCG any of this. Cross your heart and hope to die?!
I couldn't make it to the open house for Pack's home on 8/14- I hoped to go on 8/21 but now the home is sold... rats!!! Oh well, some on this blog have suggested that Dave is moving to a residence on the compound. Does anyone have some inside info on this? There are limits to what you can see from the parking lot of the Wadsworth Giant Eagle without the benefit of a drone.
ReplyDeleteIronically, I remember that the coming release of the 'all things common' sermon was announced in the News section of the RCG website some time ago, but someone must have pulled the plug just beforehand- I can't imagine why...
Ronco
You can't see it from Giant Eagle. You can't see it from the south entrance on Akron Road either.
DeleteThe Barnabas Group is made up of Christians who have committed to give 90% of their income to Christian causes, and to live on the remaining 10%. There are branches in major cities throughout the USA, and although most people have never heard of them, they accomplish much to impact our nation's culture.
ReplyDeleteBut, here's the rub. The members of the Barnabas Group have made a voluntary commitment, and they are generally wealthy people who believe they have been blessed beyond measure, are thankful, and want to give back, pay it forward, or whatever you might want to call it. What Dave Pack has done is the moral equivalent of an ex-post facto law. The members of RCG did not sign on, fully informed that "common" would be expected of them. Unchurched spouses certainly had no idea that what little financial security is possible in today's economy would be wiped out by their "minister" for his invisible work or ego projects, who by his own sickening words does not care about his victims. With one sweeping edict, he has made everyone a co-dependent, and he does it by dangling everyone's salvation in front of those whom he has trained to be gullible milquetoasts.
Whew! Just got through setting up my iphone to "mirror" on the TV screen, and watched Cinderella's "Shelter Me" on Yotube. How appropriate was that? "We all need a little shelter....." Especially our poor former brethren being abused in the more malignant ACOG cults!
BB
Sheesh this dude seriously and desperately wants his followers money.
ReplyDeleteI suppose one option was to give a sermon on mutual compassion, love, caring and tolerance.
Nope, it's about how best to transfer your material wealth over to RCG.
Poor, poor members who are actually loyal to this desperate conman.
So sad.
No doubt other sliver leaders are being tempted to follow Daves common policy. Interesting how Dave is marketing his common policy in terms of trade, ie give me your money and you will get salvation and rewards in the next life. Sneaking in trade whilst teaching the give way. Rather, it's robbery with the veneer of trade.
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How he isn't shot dead by an unconverted spouse, is beyond me. I thought that surely we would have heard by now of someone going postal and putting this greedy SOB closer to his god.
ReplyDelete"You would certainly never tell them even the size of a Holy Day offering."
ReplyDeleteWhat?!?
All those times I heard people boast about how much they were able to give, what they "sacrificed," the self-indulgence they DIDN'T allow themselves at the Feast so their Last Tedious Day, er, I mean Last Great Day offering was soooo much bigger . . . .
Somebody goofed with that statement. Or do they even intend to deprive members of their privilege of self-righteousness? Does that belong exclusively to Dave, too?
“Go get a big chunk out of your home. And put your money where your mouth is and send it here. And I’m not talking about one, two, three thousand either. How about ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, or one hundred thousand dollars? Go do it. Go get those assets and get them here.” Dave Pack
ReplyDeleteSOON TO BE SEEN ON INTERSTATE 76 OFFRAMPS IN WADSWORTH...
ReplyDeleteHomeless people in dirty shoddy clothing holding cardboard signs that say "Will Work For Common".
"Well my wife's in the faith. I'll just leave it to her and trust her." Well, wait a minute! She'd be the first to tell you to "Give it now— don't leave anymore than what I need."
ReplyDeleteNice little piece of programming the women what they are expected to say should the need arise. I really wonder if folk understand just how foul and dangerous this man is to those who get anywhere near him?
Also, I at least can imagine that this approach to membership will insure a limited inflow of new members or the fulfillment of his predictions that all the splinters will flow unto him in time. Good dictator, Bad businessman.
5.48 AM I don't agree with your 'bad businessman' conclusion. Dave knows that non of the slivers are numerically growing, so it makes sense to shaft the members that you have. I have noticed this same phenomena at work. When a work boss realises that he isn't going to get promotions, he oppresses those under him in order to feel important, like a 'god' in his mini kingdom.
ReplyDeleteIn other words (not speaking about money), a woman married to an "unconverted" husband has a voice, but a woman married to a "converted" man hasn't!!!!
ReplyDeleteSometime you have to do your work in secret.
ReplyDeleteLike Dr. Germano at LCG/Living University.
Despite what his church teaches about voting, and despite the trouble he got into when he donated money to the McCain campaign in 2008, apparently he values voting more than he values upholding the teachings of LCG. Note the public record below:
Michael Perry Germano Public Voter Information
Click on "Voter History" at the link above. As recently as 2014, Dr. Germano cast a ballot in a North Carolina election. He even went to his polling place to vote in 2010, but that was probably because he felt safe from the prying eyes of LCG HQ spies. In 2014, living in Charlotte, he felt he had to vote absentee by mail.
Dave Pack said: "...Do not permit their opposition to jeopardize your eternal life and reward..."
ReplyDeleteDave, following his "daddy (John 8:44)," is a thief and a robber when he tells his followers their eternal life can be jeopardized:
"...He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:1
It is obvious Dave Pack preaches earning eternal life/rewards by one's works.
If one's eternal life can be jeopardized, then one must do something to not jeopardize that eternal life/reward. It is a pack of lies. It is unfortunate when one places oneself in Dave's hands, but one will learn to hate evil.
When will Dave Pack believe/teach the following words of Jesus Christ:
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he SHALL BE SAVED, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
:28 And I GIVE unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
And if Jesus Christ wasn't up to doing what He said: guess what? Another hand is available to help out:
:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
David Pack's hands should not receive any handouts from his followers. A thief and a robber is only out to GET for SELF.
And time will tell...
John
How csn a wife "legally" own half the stuff and also "woman, you have no say"?
ReplyDeleteNow that Mr. Pack's house is sold, he can, as an example to others, sleep on a cot at his headquarters office. He really doesn't need a house. I am sure there are restroom facilities there too. With the very best farm facility in the world he could plant and gather his own food and not be a burden to others. God would not allow him to starve. Or would He???
ReplyDeleteSomething very strange going on up there- would have to go get his food from Giant Eagle as he has given the boot to his first farm manager Dale Schurter, now the latest is that his current farm manager is being given the boot as well.
DeleteRemember that hymn "...not many wise men now are called ... god chose the foolish of the world ..."?
ReplyDeleteNow apply the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted" and you will see why the likes of Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Meredith etc are still living abundantly.
What amazes me is that his members don't take a clue from the fruits of his prophecies, and discern that if the Spirit of God was not behind Dave in those, then the Spirit of God is also most certainly not behind his demands on their finances. We have watched this same phenomenon amongst Ron Weinland's followers. You'd think somehow that people who read the Bible would find Deuteronomy 18 profitable for instruction, but in the ACOGs, they ignore it and give their leaders a pass that God does not authorize.
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ReplyDeleteIt is common for perverts and con-artists to tell their victims not to say anything to anyone else about what is going on since others supposedly “would not understand.” In fact, the perverts and con-artists know very well that others probably would fully understand what is going on, and would be horrified by the abuse.