How Dendrochronolgy Disproves Noah's Flood
How Meteorology Disproves Noah's Flood
How Zoology Disproves Noah's Flood
How Paleontology Disproves Noah's Flood
Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before! With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
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Zoology means nothing. Meteorology means nothing. Geology means nothing. Herbology is all that counts. And the Herbs says believe Herb and nothing else.
ReplyDeleteIf the lizards went extinct, why is there one swimming around in the water behind him? Duh.
ReplyDeleteBoring videos and that guy needs a haircut. It makes no difference in the here & now if a global flood or just some localized flood ever happened in " old testament" times. Every culture on earth has a flood story. ALL mythology has some truth.
ReplyDeleteInteresting, but I prefer to take what he says with a grain of salt.
ReplyDeletethat man needs a haircut!
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of a shallow mind is it that makes a snarky comment about his hair and nothing about his topic. Armstrongism has always been superficial in everything it does. Thanks for proving that once again.
ReplyDeleteNever mind all the scientific evidence that disproves the story of a biblical flood. Don't you know that we are to live by faith? Don't you know that we are to accept the stories in the bible are true and infallible by faith?
ReplyDeleteI'm shaking my head in disbelief at the snarky comments above. Yeah, I was abysmally dumb for a few decades of my life, but I've shaken that condition. I started to think, and the longer I thought the clearer it became that the Bible and all it says is one giant historical lie. It doesn't even qualify as pulp historical fiction. You people are hopeless. That dream world you live in never was real, and some of you seem to be getting worse. After all you've witnessed, it boggles my mind that you still can't see the facts right in front of your faces.
ReplyDeleteAllen C. Dexter
He would make a good James Bond villain.
ReplyDeleteWho is that?
ReplyDeleteWhat fu**ing difference does it make if the "flood" was local or global?!?! ALL myth, legends and folklore has some truth in their origin. In life we eat, sh*t, and sleep,and yet we still have to keep on going in this mundane life knowing some day we will die and we can only hope that even if there is a resurrection or not it won't make a bit of difference because in death we will not know anything! Allen Dexter, you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 6:49 PM chill man, why so serious, you're going to age fast
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 6:49 & Anon 7:05 have over the top comments. It's just mythology.
DeleteWhat does this have to do with the price of putty ?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"What kind of a shallow mind is it that makes a snarky comment about his hair and nothing about his topic. Armstrongism has always been superficial in everything it does. Thanks for proving that once again."
It never fails Anon when posting something (as a bit of a break from COG drama) Creationism/Evolution. Comments abound on how others look as opposed to what they say. Topics having nothing to do with the posting break out. Emotional theology takes over with personal attacks for posting such topics "here on Banned". And virtually no intelligent discussion occurs or goes so off the rail into some "proof" for someone that it's all bullshit. lol.
If I had had access to such excellent information, most of which has come since I was a kid, as a kid, I'd not have to regret getting off the rails myself with literalist theology and found myself following my passion and love of paleontolgy and geology with respect to real origins as opposed to the mythological ones.
Perhaps my quiet subconscious hope is that some kid stuck in the COG bog will come to Banned and realize it is fine to follow their own interests and live their own lives without all the bogus baggage heaped upon them by their deviant church and delusional and not well grounded or trained pastor or family religious guru.
The interesting thing is that if you Google so many of the myths we were taught, you find Armstrong influenced sources as the primaries coming up in your search. "Is Germany Assyria?" yields quotations from "Dr." Hoeh's discredited and self-repudiated "Compendium of World History" as an example. Wikipedia articles on these topics cite Herbert W. Armstrong and the earlier Worldwide Church of God as main proponents. Even blogs not run by former Armstrongites occasionally reference Herbie and Hoeh. And, others come forward in rebuttal citing actual history. If the Armstrongite sources were properly set aside, there would be very little mention of British Israelism, German Assyrianism, Native American Canaanism, and other like topics. Those are all based on junk history and theories that pure examples of peoples who existed in ancient Biblical times must exist somewhere in the world today. In other words, the visible process of assimilation is not taken into account, and this is done purely for the benefit of prophecy.
ReplyDeleteSimilar patterns and logic are required in order to prop up so many of the core beliefs of Armstrongism. What was once presented as truth or proofs are so easily dispelled, but some continue to even rise from public defeat to quote and cite what has been obliterated by actual fact. Few "newbies" buy it, but even that is explained away! The Armstrongite blinders cause stalwarts to conclude that "God is no longer calling people." They can't understand that it was never God who called people to Armstrongism in the first place.
BB
The fact is that our Universe is 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years old. Our minuscule solar system coalesced out of the nebulae cloud from the debris of a exploded star out of the debris over the last 4.5 billion years. (I have some very nice chunks of this debris sitting right .....>..there) All life evolved on our planet over this "deep time" whether one likes or can imagine it or not. Humans are the current end result of hominid evolution over the past 2.5 million years or so and the beat goes on.
ReplyDeleteReligious beliefs and spiritual needs that we all have or think about are the result of our needing meaning in our lives, our conscious awareness and ability to remember the past and wonder about the future and nagging fear of death and "what will happen to me? " All quite normal and the engine that drives our culture and beliefs as well as the vast variety of them.
The world of those stuck in the COGs is a very small one. The borders around learning what there is really to learn and know in our lives are tight and confining. Narrow confines make for a narrow mind.
I absolutely can't stand reading about some historical event. What happened in the past cannot be changed. I have a friend who loves history and it hasn't helped his career choices in any way, shape or form. He flips burgers at Burger King. SMH!
ReplyDeleteAre you for real 7:19???? I really hope you are trolling.
ReplyDeleteHistory defines us as a nation, as a tribe, as a community, as a people.
If you believe the Bible, then you can see it is a story of messy people, living messy lives, who never quite got it right, but still found favor with God, just as people today live messy lives and never quite get it right. All the bloviating by the hot air, self-appointed, false prophets of the COG can never reconcile the fact that following the rules as strictly as possible is not necessary and is impossible.
Reading history should be able to tell you that there are things we should not repeat as a nation, as a people or as a church, BUT that never seems to always work because people do not like to look back at history and correct mistakes made. That is why perverted self-appointed despots arise in the world and in the church. People stick their heads in the ground and allow pissants like Thiel, Pack, Flurry, Meredith, and others to abuse and destroy people's lives.
Those that do not learn from history deserve all that happens to them.
I'm Anon 7:19. I am an agnostic and have never be associated with the Armstrong churches. If you like history, more power to you.
DeleteWading through AronRa's videos is difficult because you have to endure a continual stream of his opinion on how stupid religious people are before finally encountering an actual fact or argument. Often that turns out to be a straw man argument based on refuting superficial claims of "creationists" etc - not a serious examination of fact.
ReplyDeleteThe global flood recorded in the bible faces many scientific challenges. But the heat energy required to vaporize the seas is not one of them. The biblical flood is presented as a supernatural event. But some details are explicitly mentioned for example, water was not supernaturally produced but came from the sky (rain) and from the "fountains of the deep". There is not enough water in the oceans, lakes, rivers and known aquifers to cover the highest mountains. But very recently, scientists have discovered huge amounts of water beyond the crust, deep in the earth's magma filled core. Nobody expected that. At a conservative calculation, there is plenty of water in the "fountains of the deep".
Ra's opening claim in his meteorology video is that the earth formed "slowly" (hundreds of millions of years) from gasses and solar material and cooled over a long period of time. Water later arrived somehow on a planet cool enough to keep it on the surface. This is the standard story you see on nature channels. However, Ra is not keeping up with his guiding god "science". Zircon crystals have been discovered that are dated at 4.25 billion years old. Conclusions from those crystals: ["The zircons show us the earliest Earth was more like the Earth we know today, it wasn't an inhospitable place."]
https://www.livescience.com/43584-earth-oldest-rock-jack-hills-zircon.html
And this from Scientific American: ["According to our findings, probably the early Earth might have been a quiet, cool, habitable place"]
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nothing-says-cool-early-earth-like-diamonds/
Maybe its time to start wagering Ra a haircut on some of his science.
Anonymous Anonymous 1974 said...
ReplyDeleteWhat does this have to do with the price of putty ?
LOL, you're dating yourself!
Because the price of the "Silly Putty" offered every week by the likes of Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry as well as a few other trailing evangelists is very high.
The Formula, like the COG's , is cheap, never changes it's formula and is used to keep one's grip tight when letting go is better....
I see some good HWA/WCG analogies in this... :)
MENTAL FLOSS
"Silly Putty is one of the top-selling children’s toys of all time. However, the ooey-gooey substance isn’t just for kids.
1. SILLY PUTTY WAS INVENTED BY ACCIDENT.
Several individuals claim to have invented Silly Putty, but no matter who's claiming the title of inventor, the underlying story's the same...
A toy store owner named Ruth Fallgatter caught wind of the goo and decided to carry it in her New Haven, Conn. toy store. Eventually, she lost interest in the product. However, a marketing consultant named Peter Hodgson was more than happy to take it off her hands.
2. SILLY PUTTY WAS PACKED IN PLASTIC EGGS BECAUSE IT WAS EASTER.
Hodgson decided to re-name the goo “Silly Putty” and sell it on his own.
3. SILLY PUTTY WAS FIRST MARKETED TOWARD ADULTS.
Silly Putty wasn’t a hit at the 1950 International Toy Fair.... Thanks to the New Yorker, Hodgson received more than 250,000 orders in three days.
But Silly Putty really took off once the savvy marketing man identified a more lucrative customer base: children. Hodgson created a TV ad campaign for Silly Putty.
4. SILLY PUTTY PRODUCTION WAS HALTED DURING THE KOREAN WAR.
... the Korean War meant that Hodgson had to stop making Silly Putty for a few years. Business suffered, but sales picked up...
5. SILLY PUTTY IS NOW OWNED BY THE COMPANY THAT MAKES CRAYOLA CRAYONS.
Binney & Smith—the Easton, Penn.-based company that invented the now-eponymous Crayola crayon..
6. SILLY PUTTY IS A "LIQUID SOLID."
Drop a ball of Silly Putty and it bounces. Throw it from a roof and it shatters into pieces. Pull it apart, and it stretches. Hit it with a hammer and it keeps its shape.
7. IT ONCE LIFTED INK OFF NEWSPRINT.
Before Photoshop, crafty kids could digitally manipulate and distort images by placing Silly Putty over newspaper, lifting it off, and transferring the ink onto a new surface.
8. IT'S IN THE SMITHSONIAN.
9. IT’S BEEN IN SPACE.
In 1968, Apollo 8 astronauts took Silly Putty to lunar orbit with them in a specially crafted sterling-silver egg. It amused the bored crew, but the toy also had a practical purpose: It was used to hold down tools in zero gravity.
10. IT’S USED AS A GRIP ENHANCER.
Athletes use Silly Putty to strengthen their grip—a practice popularized by famous football player Raymond Barry.
11. IT’S BEEN USED BY ZOOS.
The Columbus Zoo in Ohio once used Silly Putty to make molds of gorilla paws for educational purposes. No word on whether the animals enjoyed playing with Silly Putty as much as their human counterparts.
12. IT’S MADE INTO ART.
Artist George Horner’s paintings are produced on an unusual canvas: large swaths of Silly Putty. These playful works sell for thousands of dollars.
13. IT’S ONE OF HISTORY’S TOP-SELLING TOYS.
According to Crayola, more than 300 million eggs of Silly Putty have been sold since 1950.
14. ITS PRICE HAS NEVER CHANGED.
Silly Putty was first sold in 1950 for $1....
15. ITS FORMULA IS TIMELESS.
.... However, scientists have never bothered to tinker with the basic formula..
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DeleteAnon said: "Maybe its time to start wagering Ra a haircut on some of his science."
ReplyDeleteThen pick the similar realities reached by thousands of other paleontologists, geologists etc. I simply post Aron's explanations of good science because I know him personally and he took down Dave Pack's ridiculous series on Creationism. I find his presentations visually helpful and well thought out.
It's the topic not the man. But Aron has more compassion for people in his soul than any COG guru ever thought to have. He's a good guy, as they say. However, There are many others who express the same things because they realize the same scientific realities and have given their entire lives doing the hard work, as opposed to sitting in one's chair reading the "please help me make the Bible literally true" arguments. It's the information available in our times no matter what one in their shallowness of mind and religious needs thinks of how the messenger should look, dress or make a presentation.
I can't take this guy seriously. Any man with long hair looks like a horses ass.
ReplyDeleteWhether Ra is a nice guy or not is not something I know personally. I'm willing to assume he's a great guy. I just wish he'd get to the point a lot quicker in his video content. I'm more interested in his facts and arguments - not constantly hearing his opinion on "creationists".
ReplyDeleteThe two issues I raised concerning how much water is available on earth (for a flood covering the mountains) and then how the earth came to have abundant water for life (unique in the solar system), including the problem zircon crystals present to the standard narrative of an earth forming naturally from hot solar material, cooling for a billion years or so, finally achieving a temperature that would permit standing water on the surface .... all that is in question by actual scientists.
The discovery of ancient zircon crystals formed from the earliest history of the earth imply a very young planet that was not hot, had deep water already present and no known conditions that prevented it from being habitable. That's a real challenge to a narrative that assumes only natural, non-sentient forces were responsible.
I gave links to scientific journals reporting the discovery and implications of the zircon crystals dated at 4.25 - 4.4 billion years old. The earth itself is estimated at 4.5 billion years of age.
Even skeptics need a little humility I think.
I can't take this guy seriously. Any man with long hair looks like a horses ass."
ReplyDeleteThen, I guess you don't take George Washington and the other founding founders seriously, and you probably join Trump in his contempt for the Constitution they bequeathed to us. Styles and grooming change. If you really want to follow that fictitious Jesus, go get yourself a Roman and Middle Eastern wool robe to wear. I clip my hair short because that's the current norm. Besides, I don't like to take a lot of time for grooming. I remember when I was a letter answerer for old Herb how concerned people were about teasing hair, using hair spray, etc. Big hair was once the style for women and they spent hours on it. Now, everybody just lets it hang every which way. That will give way to a new norm one of these days. There are much more important concerns than momentary hair styles.
Allen C. DeXter
" I'm more interested in his facts and arguments - not constantly hearing his opinion on "creationists"."
ReplyDeleteHis niche is addressing creationism and the fight to keep it out of public education as an alternative to science. He is running for State Legislature in Texas to continue his work in education.
Anon said:
"The discovery of ancient zircon crystals formed from the earliest history of the earth imply a very young planet that was not hot, had deep water already present and no known conditions that prevented it from being habitable. That's a real challenge to a narrative that assumes only natural, non-sentient forces were responsible. "
You cannot discover anything "ancient" that implies young. IMHO. :) Zircon crystals, discovered as the oldest on earth to date at 4.2 billion don't imply a "very young planet." They imply the 4.2 billion year old + planet, when it was younger than we thought, cooled in a mere 160 million years and had abundant water sooner than expected. That is just better science if proven so. Much upheaval and extinctions were to follow including a couple "Snow Ball Earths"
Water is thought to have arrived in the heavy bombardment by comets and meteors and chemically when h and o2 found each other over millions of years. There is no challenge or need for a sentient force to be responsible for all this. And if so, we'd at least have to admit for the vast majority of deep time, 4+ billion years for earth and 13.78.billion for the universe , the Deity was content with no live and then mostly single celled life for a very very long time until about 6000 years ago... when it must have gotten lonely. uh huh, sure, fine :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwbK9jkQHJM
ReplyDeleteWhat zircons can tell us
Armstrongism always had a collection of quirky institutionalized habit patterns generally not found amongst more educated, or deeper thinking individuals. The ministers often set examples of invalidating the people with whom they disagreed by attacking their physical attributes rather than addressing their ideas. They also widely questioned or lampooned their opponents' sincerity. So, of course, the minute you display a picture of a man with long hair, an Armstrongite isn't going to even wait to hear what the unsuspecting guy has written or said. That's already been invalidated by the hair.
ReplyDeleteOh well. Good to not have such small minded people close to me. It's bad enough to have to read their ignorance, although it is occasionally amusing.
BB
It may be amusing to BB. It's just plain astounding to me.
ReplyDeleteAllen C. Dexter
Some who comment on here a LOT are small minded people too. It's bad enough to have to read their ignorance, but it can be amusing.
ReplyDelete... There is no challenge or need for a sentient force ...
ReplyDeleteWell, the universe itself is a sentient force. So chew on that for a while.
So called big bang scientists (actually nothing more than textbook readers) keep updating their "science" just like Bible readers Flurry and Pack (formerly Herb and Rod) keep updating their "prophecies". One old "cosmologist" or "prophet" dies and a new one takes his place with a few revisions. This proves the wisdom of Solomon, who said there is no end to books or blogs that don't know what they are talking about. It all proves that he was right: there is nothing new under the sun (except for those damn cell phones). The universe did not start in big bang. The once Al-Mighty Inescapable God-Killing Second Law of Thermodynamics is now on the ropes--it only works for near-equilibrium conditions, which makes it almost laughable for much of the cosmos, which is made of plasma, as I've been telling you people for years now. Sorry about that. The supposed Invincible Greater Than Any God Second Law works well in a test-tube or refrigerator but not out in the universe. Big Bang my Butt. The universe is cyclic. It keeps going and going. God is the ever-ready bunny. All my life is a circle, as one musician put it.
ReplyDeleteByker Bob and Allen Dexter do a lot of trash talk, easy to talk shit about people on the www, but I bet face to face you had better watch what you say. I never back down from a fight. We should meet and see what your words are worth. Get back to me and we will get in touch in person!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat's your preference in violence, Anonymous 4:04? Knives? Guns? MMA?
DeleteLOL!
BB
"The interesting thing is that if you Google so many of the myths we were taught, you find Armstrong influenced sources as the primaries coming up in your search. "Is Germany Assyria?" yields quotations from "Dr." Hoeh's discredited and self-repudiated "Compendium of World History" as an example. Wikipedia articles on these topics cite Herbert W. Armstrong and the earlier Worldwide Church of God as main proponents. Even blogs not run by former Armstrongites occasionally reference Herbie and Hoeh. And, others come forward in rebuttal citing actual history. If the Armstrongite sources were properly set aside, there would be very little mention of British Israelism, German Assyrianism, Native American Canaanism, and other like topics. Those are all based on junk history and theories that pure examples of peoples who existed in ancient Biblical times must exist somewhere in the world today. In other words, the visible process of assimilation is not taken into account, and this is done purely for the benefit of prophecy."
ReplyDeleteThat is because google is a "secondary source" not a primary source.
Most of the theories, junk history etc are based on medieval sources being roman catholic monks recording "local traditions and myths".
Although Armstrong was the most succesfull disseminator of said flawed histories, he was certainly not the originator of German Assyrianism, British Israelism etc etc.
Mostly the medieval sources served to establish, solidify and explain the power of the European nobility and especially the monarchs and the emperors of the roman german empire and of course the later british empire whose ascend to power could only be ascribed to "the power of god and his blessing" never on the sinful nature of the people. Totally missing the point that sin like covetousness and self centeredness and competition is the engine that propelled the anglo saxon world forward.
The American empire is the epitomization of all that and HWA and his philosophy was a perfect fit for the times of the ascend of the American worldwide empire now rapidly being replaced by the times of the gentiles. (and their application of technology)
nck
Do you have any medieval or primary sources proving that the Germans, Deutche, or Allemandes are descended from the Assyrians (a completely different race)??? How do Nordic types descend from olive skinned, dark haired, brown eyed people? Where are the linguistic and cultural connections?
DeleteSome of our readers here probably consider the Bible to be the ultimate primary resource without realizing or acknowledging that it is not the Bible so much, it is rather Herbert W. Armstrong's interpretaions and modifications that are their primary sources. That is fatally flawed thinking!
BB
[You cannot discover anything "ancient" that implies young. IMHO. :) Zircon crystals, discovered as the oldest on earth to date at 4.2 billion don't imply a "very young planet." They imply the 4.2 billion year old + planet, when it was younger than we thought, cooled in a mere 160 million years and had abundant water sooner than expected. That is just better science if proven so. Much upheaval and extinctions were to follow including a couple "Snow Ball Earths"]
ReplyDeleteSo now the "scientific" speculation you propose (and it is speculation) makes an already improbable story get even more fantastic. A very hot collection of gasses and solar material form into a planet, cools to a temperature where standing water can rest on the surface and even develops deep oceans and atmosphere - all within a mere 160 million years.
That may satisfy you - but no serious scientist would have claimed that previously. In fact, that story is still being told on the nature channel with the earth cooling over many hundreds of millions of years - a billion or so (give or take a few million) - completely ignoring the implications of recently discovered, ancient zircon crystals.
Lets cut to the chase. You have an initial bias (which is your prerogative) that insists all that is came from non sentient forces. Yet the universe runs on repeatable, discoverable laws that are ONLY of interest to sentient beings. The universe is infinitely complex, but its not capricious. It's workings are repeatable and discoverable. If it were capricious, nothing could be known for certain and sentient intelligence would be of no use at all.
Capriciousness is a qualitative state that implies either the absence of rules enforced by intelligence or a disregard for rules/order. That implication alone should give one pause in thinking that non sentient forces are responsible for all that exists.
In any case, I think Aaron's videos may be suitable for refuting simple falsehoods from simplistic religious folk who build museums featuring men riding on the back of dinosaurs. But they don't really rise to an intelligent debate over design versus random chance. His refutations of the biblical flood story can also be challenged since much of it addresses either traditions associated with the story or misconceptions of the biblical account.
In any case, everyone must draw their own conclusions on these matters. We are obliged to apply the intelligence we naturally possess but didn't build or create.
BB
ReplyDeleteI said that the junk science originated with the medieaval monks, both the myths about the Tuathe de Danaan and the Assyrian connection. It did not originate with HWA. So I believe you call it "a straw man" when you ask me for proof about the connection. I said the monks perpetuated junk science and local myths in order to establish "blood ties" for the local nobility and thus legitimize their claim to power.
By the way ALL people descend from the middle east and recent finds connect ancient Irish and peoples from the Danube to the Middle East. That is pure unadultareded science.
HOWEVER we will meet on the square that non of the science meets the "armstrongite time frame criteria" but I would wish everyone to stop denying that peoples from the middle east moved along the Danube into Europe.
nck
So, still no footnotes, references, or corroborating source materials? Kind of typical!
DeleteAlso, (and I quote Wikipedia here), "Due to the geographic ambiguity and Eurocentric nature of the term "Middle East", some people prefer use of the terms Arab World, WANA (West Asia and North Africa), or the less common NAWA (North Africa-West Asia). Both the Arab World and MENA (Middle East, North Africa) region remain the most common terms and are used by most organizations, academia, and political entities flexibly, including those in the region itself."
Why the quote? Dennis and others here have had their genealogies traced more specifically back to Africa. If, by your term "Middle East", you actually mean MENA, NAWA, or WANA, there is still an opportunity for your unsourced assertion to be partially correct. Africa is called "Mother Africa" for some very good reasons.
BB
Oh I just saw your question about the linguistic connections.
ReplyDeleteThere are many connections between the saxon language and the ancient Sanskrit from the Hindy Vedas but again we will meet on the square that this does not in any way validate the theory of Israeli migration into Europe.
Nordic types descending from olive skinned, dark haired brown eyed people???????????????????
Oh man. WE ALL DO, even the red head neanderthal aussie girls with scottish names. I thought you were versed in darwinism and the rules for selection?? I know you are.
Of course as I said and I repeat. Non of the science validates the supposed 600 bc tribal migration. I am talking real science only, always.
nck
See also "Mitochondrial Eve".
ReplyDeleteBB
If you want to talk science, nck, it's the dna that provides the markers that tell us specifically who crossed what seas and migrated up or down what rivers to settle whatever areas. Theories about tribes or sifting for purity are no longer relevant because today we can analyze dna and know precisely the degree of purity, or mixture each person is. Or, not, if people choose to shut out the latest and best available information.
ReplyDeleteBB
Hi BB,
ReplyDeleteNo. What is typical is that I havel always provided sources when kindly asked.
The reason I hesitate is because some might use them as a validation for Armstrongist theories.
1st. Terminology. I agree that names of the regions have changed due to politics. I mean the Turkish people moved into present day Turkey in only the 15th century from the plains of Central Asia. I wouldn’t mind if they left that area to the Greek and Romans again. Non of the black population in South Africa lived in that area prior to 1650 AD. Except for the Koikoi (bushmen) and one other tribe of cow herders. So their claim to territory is as good as the White population at this point. The Arab in North Africa and current Israel and Syria moved in from the 8th century onward. And no the pharaos of Egypt were NOT black. (although there might have been one or two in a row of hundreds)
So what does current DNA traces prove? That migratory persons like Dennis and others descended from other migratory peoples. Whenever DNA is matched with ANCIENT BONES and not with current peoples in a certain region living there currently one gets an interesting picture indeed.
I am referring to the ancient bones match.
To keep it simple I will quote easily readable sources.
Irish – Middle Eastern connections
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/dec/28/origins-of-the-irish-down-to-mass-migration-ancient-dna-confirms
Western Asia – Danube connections.
http://www.itechpost.com/articles/5340/20130211/prehistoric-middle-east-migrants-brought-farming-europe.htm
Medieval sources for german assyrianism.
The Gesta Treverorum (archbishops of trier anouncement)
The Austrian Chronicle of 95 seigneurs. Talking about assyrian princesses intermarrying the Austrian nobles.
Gottfried Hagens Reimchronik
Bayerische Chronik, the official history of Bavaria written by Johannes Turmair of Abensberg in the 1500s
And I could go on and on. All fascinating reading for alternative historians.
However. I do not for one moment believe these primary sources validate german assyrianism as perpetuated in armstrongism.
The only point that I was making was that these ideas did not originate with HWA. But did originate in writing in the middle ages.
What I do believe is that these histories echo the contemporary political situation when they were written. Provided the rulers of the day with “ancient genealogies” and therefore “legitimacy” to rule. And moreover the original ORAL history might just echoe the true “original” location of said peoples. (like the black sea region”) Although the scientific time frame of the migration patterns in no way fits the Armstrongist time frame.
That’s all.
nck
I hope my lengthy explanation got through.
ReplyDeleteThis better explains how it works and why it was so important for HWA to have his lineage traced back to David.
It is the medieval way of claiming legitimacy to kingship.
Kinda like how millions were spent to search for JFK's son in the ocean. We tend to value mythical connections to mythical leaders. It's in our DNA.
http://www.habsburger.net/en/chapter/quest-blue-blood-habsburgs-fictitious-ancestors
nck
I do not reject the speaker's message because of his hair. I just choose to not listen to him because of his hair. If someone with the same message comes along who is more presentable, I might listen, if I have nothing better to do at that moment.
ReplyDeleteHahah,
ReplyDeleteThe word hair is mentioned 22 times on this thread.
"I do not reject the speaker's message because of his hair. I just choose to not listen to him because of his hair. If someone with the same message comes along who is more presentable, I might listen, if I have nothing better to do at that moment."
And off you are, sailing to Australia in chains, for contempt of court and the British Judge.
nck