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Wednesday, July 26, 2017
Dave Pack Claims He and HWA as "Elijah's" are both "Types of Christ"
The deluded mind of Dave Pack has no boundaries
and his followers sit there week after week
believing this utter bullshit.
We'll know when Dave and some of the other delusional Armstrong franchisees have actually made an Elijah-like impact if President Trump ever Tweets about them.
Hopefully some RCG members will watch this video. Sadly, most of those members will not see it because they would not entertain the thought of going to HWA Banned. I know because I did not when I was a member - you were not to read anything that would be against Mr. Pack, even if it was true and spoken in his own words as this video is - what mind control!! However, I am certain that HQ ministers read Banned to see what is being said about Mr. Pack. I pray that there will be one brave minister who will feel his blood run cold when he hears Mr. Pack explain that he is a type of Christ. A true servant of God would act upon what he has heard and help the sheep run from this wolf!
Anonymous suggested there may be "one brave minister" in RCG.....not likely.
True ministers have long since escaped from RCG. Those ministers who remain, especially those at HQ are merely puppets who jump and dance at Dave Pack's bidding. Furthermore, since they get their paycheck from RCG and live on the compound in houses they will never own, paying rent to pay the mortgages for all of Pack's houses, they would not dare even voice a question as they would lose their job and place to live in one fell swoop. These people are in a very deadly trap. God help them to break free of this deceiver and take their lives back!
This is no different then what the Catholic Church says about their priests. They act in "Persona Christi", in the person of Christ. So now he is no different than a Catholic priest. What's next, Pontifex Maximus ? And what is with him referring to himself in the 3rd person in this video? Are there more personalities in there that one of them refers to the other as "Mr. Pack". Weird...!!!
Regarding this comment, Ilija Korac said... This is not David C Pack voice, he does not talk about it it is false copy to steered up rubbish on people.
The sermons on the video are over a year old but they are definitely David C. Pack's voice and actual messages he gave. I know this because I was a member of RCG at the time and I heard the messages sitting in an RCG congregation. They were a great wake up call to get out of that cult!!
The Restored Cash Grab (RCG) basically teaches that you are robbing God if you do not let David C. Pack totally rob you of everything you have. That is why other people's “robbing” behavior stirs up David Pack's unrighteous indignation, and causes him to yell and spit about it so much. It is all about the money.
David Pack liked to pretend that he was sincerely trying to help people by generously giving away free literature. However, he was unable to keep up the “nice” act for very long, and quickly cut off those who did not soon send him some money. David Pack went into one of his fits and shouted about people “stealing” his church's literature. He wanted everyone to read his literature online rather than request hard copies. He wanted the money to flow in only one direction. David Pack taught people to practice the way of give, give more, give it all, so he could practice the way of get, get more, get it all.
David Pack tried to make it sound like God was blessing his RCG more than any other splinter group when he built his World Headquarters building in Wadsworth, Ohio. The problem, of course, is that David Pack was able to get more and more money only by taking more and more from his followers. No new people were rushing to join his RCG, in spite of David Pack's wrong prophetic guess that they would on August 31, 2013. Trying to deceive everyone else with the illusion that his RCG is being blessed by God is really just a great burden on David Pack's followers. After RCG members give everything they have, and borrow what they can to give more, it simply is not a sustainable racket. At this point, outsiders can see what is happening, and hide themselves with fear and trembling from David Packman, the devourer of everyone's house, not just the widow's house.
The real killer problem is that there is no glory at all in being a sucked-dry RCG sucker. They are not supporting the truth of God. They are not supporting what HWA had taught. They are just supporting David Pack's downward spiral as he vomits away uncontrollably on his victims week after week with new prophetic nonsense that even he himself will neither remember nor believe. Those who went with David Pack thinking that they were going to support the truth actually got tricked by his “bait and switch” scam into supporting totally different lies. They are now guilty of supporting evil. One of the people who went with David Pack in the early days of his RCG, after working at headquarters and seeing what David Pack was really like, wrote an open letter of apology for having mistakenly thought that David Pack was a good guy.
Truly, the follower of a raging, yelling, spitting, lying, stealing, false prophet hath no joy.
After the featured video, I just let it ride, and listened to a few more short Pack-critique pieces. Then, a short RCG advertising video played. To hear what the narrator said, it’s a wonder that Mr David C Pack is not a household word.
Not counting, but here are some keywords heard in the RCG video, in decreasing frequency:
David C Pack, Mr Pack, etc – mentioned repeatedly RCG Herbert W Armstrong, Mr Armstrong WCG Bible – mentioned once, in "don't believe me..." God – apart from “Church of God”, mentioned once Jesus, Christ, Messiah, etc – not even once
I will never figure out how some of you guys have the stomach or the time to listen to some of the worst flamers in the Armstrong movement. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you do, because your reports are very valuable. I just wish the Feds were hip to these spiritual Bernie Madoffs. There are religions, and then there are toxic pseudo religions presided over by abusive megalomaniacs. At least we can be pacified by the knowledge that eventually, these chingadera mofos will be punished!
To llija Korac who said, "This is not David C Pack's voice...."
You are misinformed. This is David C Pack's voice. I am an ex member of RCG and I know because I sat in Sabbath Services and heard him give these sermons. I did not want to wait until the "I am a type of Christ" changed into "I am Christ". He also gave a sermon where he said the he was "That Prophet" when scripture clearly states that Christ is that prophet.
Those that remain in RCG are like the proverbial frogs sitting in hot water allowing more hot water to be constantly added. I know because I was one but thank God I finally jumped out to reality. RCG is a cult and I am ashamed that I was a part of it. Just wish I had smartened up sooner before I was foolish enough to hand over all the physical blessings God gave me to Dave Pack of lies!
Friends and family in RCG, Mr. Pack is NOT a "Type of Christ". He is a man. Open up you eyes and ears - your minds!! There are so many warnings in the Bible of how men will come to deceive the sheep. These men are not shepherds - they are wolves! Mr. Pack even used to admonish the brethren that the false ministers who would come to deceive us (in RCG) would not come from the Lutheran Church or the Catholic Church but would come from among us - the COGs!! He actually warned you of this - remember??? Of course, no one wants to believe the man we once trusted to be God's Apostle could be one of the deceivers. But when he starts calling himself "that prophet" and "a type of Christ" he is putting himself in the position of Christ!! Are you okay with that?? God is not! Dave Pack is one of the wolves in sheep's clothing that God warned us about! If you are okay with that, you are lost. If you are not - run for your life out of RCG! You have lots of friends and family waiting for you with open arms!
I just submitted a comment within the last half hour and realize that I made a mistake. I said you are "lost". Please change this to you are "allowing yourself to be deceived". I apologize for rushing to post the comment without reviewing it a few more times.
We'll know when Dave and some of the other delusional Armstrong franchisees have actually made an Elijah-like impact if President Trump ever Tweets about them.
ReplyDeleteThis is alt.religion. Very limited in scope.
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New product from the "Pack Criminal Enterprises"....
ReplyDelete"FAKE AND TAKE FRIED CHURCH MEMBERS"
Lanky legs Dave Pack is mistaken he's a type of King Saul not Jesus Christ. He loves his own pack ways like Saul loved his own way.
ReplyDeleteIf HWA and David Pack are "types" of Christ, then throw me in the lake of fire! These two degenerate men are nothing like Christ.
ReplyDeleteHopefully some RCG members will watch this video. Sadly, most of those members will not see it because they would not entertain the thought of going to HWA Banned. I know because I did not when I was a member - you were not to read anything that would be against Mr. Pack, even if it was true and spoken in his own words as this video is - what mind control!! However, I am certain that HQ ministers read Banned to see what is being said about Mr. Pack. I pray that there will be one brave minister who will feel his blood run cold when he hears Mr. Pack explain that he is a type of Christ. A true servant of God would act upon what he has heard and help the sheep run from this wolf!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous suggested there may be "one brave minister" in RCG.....not likely.
ReplyDeleteTrue ministers have long since escaped from RCG. Those ministers who remain, especially those at HQ are merely puppets who jump and dance at Dave Pack's bidding. Furthermore, since they get their paycheck from RCG and live on the compound in houses they will never own, paying rent to pay the mortgages for all of Pack's houses, they would not dare even voice a question as they would lose their job and place to live in one fell swoop. These people are in a very deadly trap. God help them to break free of this deceiver and take their lives back!
This is no different then what the Catholic Church says about their priests. They act in "Persona Christi", in the person of Christ. So now he is no different than a Catholic priest. What's next, Pontifex Maximus ? And what is with him referring to himself in the 3rd person in this video? Are there more personalities in there that one of them refers to the other as "Mr. Pack". Weird...!!!
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteIt was probably just a misunderstanding. Dave probably meant to say that he is a type of anti-Christ.
David Pack is a asshole!
ReplyDeleteDavid Pack offers "free" literature as long as you send him your money. He is one hell of a con artist.
ReplyDeleteAs in other words you have to buy his crappy literature.
DeleteThis is not David C Pack voice, he does not talk about it it is false copy to steered up rubbish on people.
ReplyDeleteDavid Pack, his followers, and even a lot of his critics, are all examples of why the hewmin race is too stupid to survive.
ReplyDeleteRegarding this comment, Ilija Korac said...
ReplyDeleteThis is not David C Pack voice, he does not talk about it it is false copy to steered up rubbish on people.
The sermons on the video are over a year old but they are definitely David C. Pack's voice and actual messages he gave. I know this because I was a member of RCG at the time and I heard the messages sitting in an RCG congregation. They were a great wake up call to get out of that cult!!
ReplyDeleteThe Restored Cash Grab (RCG) basically teaches that you are robbing God if you do not let David C. Pack totally rob you of everything you have. That is why other people's “robbing” behavior stirs up David Pack's unrighteous indignation, and causes him to yell and spit about it so much. It is all about the money.
David Pack liked to pretend that he was sincerely trying to help people by generously giving away free literature. However, he was unable to keep up the “nice” act for very long, and quickly cut off those who did not soon send him some money. David Pack went into one of his fits and shouted about people “stealing” his church's literature. He wanted everyone to read his literature online rather than request hard copies. He wanted the money to flow in only one direction. David Pack taught people to practice the way of give, give more, give it all, so he could practice the way of get, get more, get it all.
David Pack tried to make it sound like God was blessing his RCG more than any other splinter group when he built his World Headquarters building in Wadsworth, Ohio. The problem, of course, is that David Pack was able to get more and more money only by taking more and more from his followers. No new people were rushing to join his RCG, in spite of David Pack's wrong prophetic guess that they would on August 31, 2013. Trying to deceive everyone else with the illusion that his RCG is being blessed by God is really just a great burden on David Pack's followers. After RCG members give everything they have, and borrow what they can to give more, it simply is not a sustainable racket. At this point, outsiders can see what is happening, and hide themselves with fear and trembling from David Packman, the devourer of everyone's house, not just the widow's house.
The real killer problem is that there is no glory at all in being a sucked-dry RCG sucker. They are not supporting the truth of God. They are not supporting what HWA had taught. They are just supporting David Pack's downward spiral as he vomits away uncontrollably on his victims week after week with new prophetic nonsense that even he himself will neither remember nor believe. Those who went with David Pack thinking that they were going to support the truth actually got tricked by his “bait and switch” scam into supporting totally different lies. They are now guilty of supporting evil. One of the people who went with David Pack in the early days of his RCG, after working at headquarters and seeing what David Pack was really like, wrote an open letter of apology for having mistakenly thought that David Pack was a good guy.
Truly, the follower of a raging, yelling, spitting, lying, stealing, false prophet hath no joy.
After the featured video, I just let it ride, and listened to a few more short Pack-critique pieces. Then, a short RCG advertising video played. To hear what the narrator said, it’s a wonder that Mr David C Pack is not a household word.
ReplyDeleteNot counting, but here are some keywords heard in the RCG video, in decreasing frequency:
David C Pack, Mr Pack, etc – mentioned repeatedly
RCG
Herbert W Armstrong, Mr Armstrong
WCG
Bible – mentioned once, in "don't believe me..."
God – apart from “Church of God”, mentioned once
Jesus, Christ, Messiah, etc – not even once
I will never figure out how some of you guys have the stomach or the time to listen to some of the worst flamers in the Armstrong movement. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you do, because your reports are very valuable. I just wish the Feds were hip to these spiritual Bernie Madoffs. There are religions, and then there are toxic pseudo religions presided over by abusive megalomaniacs. At least we can be pacified by the knowledge that eventually, these chingadera mofos will be punished!
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To llija Korac who said, "This is not David C Pack's voice...."
ReplyDeleteYou are misinformed. This is David C Pack's voice. I am an ex member of RCG and I know because I sat in Sabbath Services and heard him give these sermons. I did not want to wait until the "I am a type of Christ" changed into "I am Christ". He also gave a sermon where he said the he was "That Prophet" when scripture clearly states that Christ is that prophet.
Those that remain in RCG are like the proverbial frogs sitting in hot water allowing more hot water to be constantly added. I know because I was one but thank God I finally jumped out to reality. RCG is a cult and I am ashamed that I was a part of it. Just wish I had smartened up sooner before I was foolish enough to hand over all the physical blessings God gave me to Dave Pack of lies!
Friends and family in RCG, Mr. Pack is NOT a "Type of Christ". He is a man. Open up you eyes and ears - your minds!! There are so many warnings in the Bible of how men will come to deceive the sheep. These men are not shepherds - they are wolves! Mr. Pack even used to admonish the brethren that the false ministers who would come to deceive us (in RCG) would not come from the Lutheran Church or the Catholic Church but would come from among us - the COGs!!
ReplyDeleteHe actually warned you of this - remember??? Of course, no one wants to believe the man we once trusted to be God's Apostle could be one of the deceivers. But when he starts calling himself "that prophet" and "a type of Christ" he is putting himself in the position of Christ!! Are you okay with that?? God is not! Dave Pack is one of the wolves in sheep's clothing that God warned us about! If you are okay with that, you are lost. If you are not - run for your life out of RCG! You have lots of friends and family waiting for you with open arms!
I just submitted a comment within the last half hour and realize that I made a mistake. I said you are "lost". Please change this to you are "allowing yourself to be deceived". I apologize for rushing to post the comment without reviewing it a few more times.
ReplyDeleteDavid Pack and HWA are or were a type of crap. The phonetics for the first part of Pack's word are correct, but he got the last half wrong.
ReplyDeleteBB
Why has the previous post with Dave Pack's sermon #144 from the Feast been taken down???
ReplyDeleteI guess it's obvious that RCG doesn't want anyone besides the cult's flock to hear the craziness!!!