Scott Winnail says:
"How many women today speak in meek and quiet ways? Is that what society is pushing women to do; be meek and quiet? We have some interesting discussions in my class when we talk about this. No, what is society telling you as a woman? “Be strong, stand up for yourself, defend yourself. Cut to the chase, don’t take flak from anyone.” What’s wrong with this picture though? Parents, grandparents, I encourage you as we think about this, avoid, I encourage you, avoid the mistake of telling your daughters and your granddaughters that they can be anything they want to be. There’s a fallacy in that. We don’t want to direct our daughters and our granddaughters into a job or career path that forces her to change her character into something that God didn’t intend. And there are job and career paths that will turn a woman’s character opposite of what God designed it to be. If we force (we don’t force), if we push our daughters and granddaughters into those careers they will never be fully happy. They can’t be, because those career paths and jobs are forcing them into roles that God doesn’t want them in. That’s a fallacy: “You can be anything you want to be.” Men can’t do that either. We shouldn’t tell our boys that either, “You can be anything you want to be.” No you can’t! Not and be a Christian. There are plenty of job responsibilities that are wrong, that are un-Christian, that break the law of God. Developing weapons, serving in the military, serving in security jobs where you carry a weapon, working as a doctor where you know you’re going to be on call two Sabbaths a month, and you know you’ll work. That’s not an ox in a ditch situation that’s pushing an ox into the ditch. So, telling our kids that they can do anything they want to do, they can be anything they want to be, is a fallacy, whether it’s to boys or to girls."
So in the world tomorrow, there won't be ambulances or doctors available during the Sabbath. So if there's a accident on the Sabbath,,,, what then??
ReplyDeleteThe article is obviously written by someone who only knows life in churchworld. He doesn't understand the real world. Yet he moralises to others.
The blind leading those with sight.
In fact it's worse than that. To many ministers the only 'real' world is churchworld. They hide it, but that's their secret attitude. So if their advice clashes with the demands of survival and success in the real world, too bad. All that matters to them is their false idol, churchworld.
Waiting to hear Connie on this...meek and quiet?
ReplyDeleteConnie is a sock puppet, don't be naive. She openly hates all groups and leaders accept Vic kubik, don't even have to read between the lines with 'her' account. Unless you really believe that is her real photo, lol.
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In these naive peoples' opinions, how are women who served in the military, were part of law enforcement, or were supervising men in major corporation management positions supposed to find salvation?
ReplyDeleteIf the ACOGs just simply told young girls they couldn't be part of certain professions for religious reasons, it would be one thing. But that's not where it ends. The parents and ministry will also conspire very vigorously to break their spirits. Anyone not have a problem with that?
I hold back on sharing a lot of wilder past experiences here, because they'd freak a lot of posters out. But the thing I most liked about my third wife was that she was one tough lady. We'd ride our motorcycles through town and catch a lot of stares. I knew that we could stand up against anything bad that could befall us whenever we went out. In one case, it looked like we were really going to eat it bigtime because we were seriously outnumbered. I told my wife, "Babe, I'll take out these three guys, and you take those two! If either has trouble and the other is free, we jump in to help the other and finish the job." Fortunately, the buttholes backed down. But I had perfect confidence because I knew she'd been dumped out by the bouncers at Hussong's Cantina in Mexico for starting a fight with a table of guys who were menacing one of her girlfriends. We lifted weights together, ran at the track together, and played hard sets of tennis. In addition to being tough, she also had a heart of gold, and would always help others before they even had a chance to ask. People in the church just couldn't hang with a relationship like that, but I guarantee you that if there were such a thing as Petra or the place of safety, that's exactly the kind if wife they'd wish they had.
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Whoa, I call upon the spirits to unleash Connie............
ReplyDeleteDidn't we recently had a topic on veiling women...
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Connie? How meek an quiet is Ma Kettle from the Ma and Pa Kettle 1940s movies.
ReplyDeleteDon't become a farmer because you must feed the animals on the Sabbath. And if you are a farmer, quit.
ReplyDeleteWAYLON JENNINGS ALTERNATIVE LYRIC...
ReplyDelete" Mama's Don't Let Your Babies Grown Up To Be LCG Ministers! "
Why is it that in the splinters it's so often the effete little man-boys who insist on meek and submissive women? The active, virile men rarely seem to have a problem with their wives being active, complicated, Proverbs 31 women who actually get out and achieve their full potential, both at home and in the community.
ReplyDeleteSlightly off the topic, but in WCG I think I twice heard pulpit messages that tried to dissuade hearers from higher education. It seems that God could provide you with a great job without it. One could be forgiven for noticing that he tends to provide these jobs more often to the educated.
ReplyDeleteI'll mention this concept to my female surgeon, neurologists, dentists, vets, psychologists and commercial pilot clients to see how they feel about this.....
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ReplyDeleteSitting through 2 hour Sabbath Services, even as the gu;y speaking, often felt week after week like Ground Hog Day.
ReplyDeleteWhile Scott is the classic minister with pious conviction coasting on marginal information, he is a much better speaker than his father. Not that speaking with marginal information is a good thing. It's not even marginally good. This is that classic moment when some little girl will grow up and realize her parents kept her from following her life goals based on a sermon like this. The idea that one must build a career and some not at all so it fits around the Sabbath is simply a terrible way to grow up. You end up resting from unsatisfying work you hate and continue to regret not following what could have been. Trust me on this....
ReplyDelete"Don't stand up for yourself, don't defend yourself, take flak," is the wolf talking to the lambs, the fox talking to the chickens.
ReplyDeleteNeedless to say, the ministers practise the exact opposite.
One standard for me, another for thee.
LCG parents, take note that Scott Winnail is the #2 official at Living University. These aren't just one coddled minister's opinions. This is the official philosophy behind educating young women in LCG.
ReplyDeleteI hope Scott Winnail has the ethics to share this information with the doctors to whom he has taken his daughter Tara.
ReplyDelete"if there were such a thing as Petra or the place of safety, that's exactly the kind if wife they'd wish they had"
ReplyDeleteGreat stuff!
I was thinking of the real pioneering women of the West. Not the John Ford types.
If the powers that be, start using the nukes sometime in the future, I will contemplate inquiring if any Australian Aboriginal woman would be interested in at least cohabitation with this person to have any chance of survival in arid and godforsaken territory. Russian women are quite strong too in dire circumstances, although they tend to refuse to carry the shopping bag when a man is around.
Ah well, so far for those 19th century middle class ideals that developed when through better social circumstances more time became available for families to live on one persons income from travail.
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oh my, some things don't change, bring on the burka. I started listening to this but only got to a few minutes and started getting a vomit reflex, then I moved another 5 minutes and he was still in what I would call introductory comments. What a bunch of idiocy. These guys go to doctors now don't they? not like in the old days when we were all supposed to die in agony without medical intervention (at least back then we were tough), but now they are a bunch of pussys. They go to doctors, but we are still not supposed to be doctors.........and god forbid a woman doctor. And you can be a security guard maybe, but not have a weapon? and the military? don't these guys reverence all that stuff? ah that must be one of the other splinters.
ReplyDeleteAnd if the Living church is filled with these clean squeaky guys with teflon hair then there is nothing more guaranteed to make women take on the masculine role. What a pretty boy he is, even Meredith at least had the desire to be a little manly with his weightlifting and boxing. It makes me miss GTA, now there was a man, loved guns, uncontrollable sex drive, and HWA a total asshole who screamed in his sermons. It must be all the plastic in the water. Are all the church men just little preacher boys these days?
Well, Ive not set foot in a COG since somewhere around 1993, but I would agree that most ministurds I knew were a bunch of pussies. They talked big until they met real resistance, at which point they'd either go to pieces or try to walk away in the most uppity manner possible. I cant think of one from that period who would have been likely to take down a real hustler. I heard of some with that reputation, but never met them.
DeleteMaybe that's the key to most of them, they're rulers of a microcosm that only exists as long as its participants are willing to play pretend with them.
Gordon,
ReplyDeleteI've been reading Herb church literature since the mid 1960s, but I never read or heard messages against higher education. The church has a anti think, book burning mentality, but it never formally taught against higher education. If a minister did teach this, his was a rogue sermon/s.
However it's definitely the Jehovah Witness position. Young people who rejected higher education have been praised from the pulpit. According to their dissident sites, this has left many of their former members with bitter regrets, and destitute in their old age.
BB
ReplyDeleteThird wife? You've aroused our curiosity.
How many times have you been married?
Three, 11:12, and a couple lengthy shack ups. They were all gorgeous, too.
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How can LCG release that sermon, which so blatantly promotes the values of the modern post-Industrial Revolution capitalist West, rather than the values of Scripture?
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing in Scripture that validates the modern American model of one parent abandoning the children for most of the day, most days of the week. Why does Winnail think it is OK for one parent to abandon the children, but not the other? What an insult to fathers! What sexism! What placement of false Western economic values ahead of Scriptural values!
The Bible gives a plain and simple and obvious model of the ideal. Children stay close to both parents, apprenticing as they are able (whether in the home for daughters, or in the workshop for sons). The idea of one parent being habitually absent from children's lives is nowhere found in Scripture. Why doesn't Winnail demand that fathers find jobs where they can stay close to their families? THAT is the Bible ideal, yet Winnail would apparently rather pick on the women, so he instead promotes a Satanic economic system in which children see far less of their father than of their mother.
Or, Winnail could simply STFU and acknowledge that we aren't living in Bible times, and that the ideal of stay-at-home mothers and fathers is one more ideal that has become hard to achieve in the present oppressive economy. Why put so much guilt on women, instead of reassuring both men and women that they should work together against the tide of society? If because of a stay-at-home father the kids can be home-schooled, why not celebrate that blessing?
It seems Winnail hates the Scriptural example of Israel's Deborah, and would prefer a room full of compliant Dorothy Armstrongs. Well, I guess that would make the ministry's job much easier. But it isn't Christianity. It's actually Satanic, not Biblical at all. The fact that LCG is willing to release this Satanic attack on the values of the Bible, and LCG's women apparently don't object to it, is shocking.
Hi kids and buckaroos. It's Unkee Dunkee here and I want you to know that God loves you soooooooooo much that there are gifts given to YOU like being very creative, writing, singing, speaking, healing, teaching and SO much more. Buuuuuut, you are not allowed to use them if you bring joy and happiness and comfort and peace to others in the world because they are "so called" christians and..oh by the way..if you are female. Did I get that right?? Oh..I FORGOT it's national STUPID Day. How many lives dear readers and talents were left to die and wither??? Sorry kids...step off box...walk slowly to exit. Uh...I've had it with stupid. Please go after this one buckaroos. Go. Go. Go.
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Yours truly
Unkee Dunkee
Poor Scott! The last time I spoke to him he was a decent kid. Too bad he turned out to be a Stepford Minister with all the required intonations, stone gestures, and AC-approved ideology. Too bad he couldn’t be anything he wanted to be. I think he wanted to be a real man but, he turned out to be something like a wooden puppet with a pussy in her panties.
ReplyDeleteIn essence to be sure of the proper Christian woman, they should not be taught to read or write. Baby factory, that's it. The Taliban and the post WCG's are pretty much the same, just different countries.
ReplyDeleteThe meek and quiet live in Saudi Arabia etc where they are held prisoner and refused human rights.
ReplyDeletePaul said there is no male or female anymore in Christ.
Get the message moron Church of God ministry.
No black, no white, no male, no female. All are free and one in Christ and no one is lesser than anyone else.
Get your snouts out of the dead Old Covenant and into the New Covenant theology.
Can't have two wills in force at the same time.
As the father of two daughters and two granddaughters, I don't think that I will take the pastor's advice. Go girls!
ReplyDeleteNobody can be anything they want to be. The idea that you can is a dirty lie to rope people into a self-centered life.
ReplyDeleteResearch shows that women were happier before feminism. Feminism has nothing to do with liberating women. It's about reducing the birth rate--the genocide of the West.
ReplyDeleteWake up dummies.
Did feminism liberate women? For every woman who got a great career there are now 20 working at Walmart. Before feminism a family only needed one wage earner. Now it needs two. It turned most women into working stiffs. It was all a dirty trick.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Orwell's 1984: "Slavery is Freedom" (or something like that).
7:44, and 7:48, it'd be nice if somehow, sometime in your lives you could get past those bias-confirmation type cliches, the generalizations which no doubt inform your own world view. In fact, freedom by its very nature introduces a great number of new variables into the equation. We're revelling in our freedom from the scourge of Armstrongism, isn't it only fair to acknowledge that the ladies have those freedoms as well?
DeleteOne advantage to having a career orientated lady in your life is that you get a fuller partner. It's nice to bounce those little "how was your day?" thingies off one another when the wife is having her own daily experiences in the working place. You've also got a fully participating business partner. There is a higher level of understanding and commitment as compared to the old pregnant and barefoot model.
Another aspect, and this would be of little value to the people isolated amongst the brethren in the ACOGs, is that having a working wife doubles the possibility for social contacts and activities, you know, the kind where you aren't stressing over the possibility that the other couple(s) are collecting information on you for the purpose of "ratting" to the minister?
Young Mr. Winnail has placed a thick glass ceiling on his life opportunities, and he'd like to impose those limitations on all of you, as well! To borrow an awesome motto from the UNCF, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste!"
BB
Scott's comments reflect his limited life experience, just as Gerald Flurry's grandson's comments reflect his highly filtered world view. My life is full of women of accomplishment, including my AC educated wife who went on to earn a Master of Science degree in electrical engineering, my attorney niece, my other niece who made Commander rank in the Navy, and my friend and former employee who is both an attorney and a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force. Women should be able to make their own life choices without ministers interfering.
ReplyDeleteDon't get on BB's back about his life history. Like me, he wants strong women, and my present wife endured years of single life and demeaning relationships, but in that time, she reared 3 children, got a Bachelors Degree from ASU, was the main crafter of Arizona's defensive driving get out of a ticket program when she worked for the Supreme court, retired as a very pivotal person at Arizona's AHCCCS program and taught defensive driving as a teacher for years. I, too, have been married three times. My first wife divorced me when I left Armstrongism. MY second wife died of lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking. Then, I found my soul mate, and like BB, I'm not ashamed to admit that I've had a few affairs in the four years between my first and second marriage. Do I feel like a condemned sinner? Not in a million years. All of my relationships have been open and morally honest as far as I'm concerned, and during all marriages, I was scrupulously faithful. You can take your hypocritical, partriarchal, catholic authority based moral judgments and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
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On that point about who Connie is (Anon, 3:03am), a reverse image search turns up a certain Princess Blueyez strip-tease from which that profile pic has been grabbed. So, yeah, lol if you believe that picture is the actual person posting here as Connie.
ReplyDeleteWell, for all those so-called feminists who want career and a name for themselves, don't come crying after some barefoot and pregnant young (often single) mother that wants to be a mother and demean her calling her 'less than' and snatch her baby from her just so you can play mommy when you suddenly feel like you have to be a mommy but are past the fertile childbearing years. In destroying that mother, who is also a woman and fellow human being who had hopes and dreams... does that make you a "better person"?
ReplyDeleteIt is all about choices. Those choices must be made without victimizing another human being. You know, the "do unto others"!
It's a most horrific thing having your newborn snatched so someone else can play mommy with them while you're thrown to the curb like trash.
Winnail said:
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of job responsibilities that are wrong, that are un-Christian, that break the law of God.
How about jobs where you are required to lie about what is going on in your university and your church? Winnail knows firsthand about the rampant commandment-breaking at LCG HQ among the "leading ministers" but he stays silent and takes a paycheck. At the same time, he believes that a doctor treating his daughter's autoimmune disorder is doing something against God's will, and even more so if the doctor is a woman rather than a man. What a horrible, twisted way to see the world!
Byker Bob said...
ReplyDelete"Three, 11:12, and a couple lengthy shack ups. They were all gorgeous, too."
Well, that along with with other descriptions, explains why they didn't stand the test of time.
Uh huh, bring your girls up to be meek and submissive so they won't speak out when some old creeper or obsessive pastor's kid gets grabby with them because that could "embarrass the church". I think not.
ReplyDeleteI like Scott. I think he sincerely wants to do what is right and truly loves God and His ways.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, he has sold his soul to work at LCG HQ's which is utterly corrupt and toxic.
He has swallowed hard and decided to over-look the rampant abuse, favoritism and commandment breaking that has become common occurrence in Charlotte.
Instead of standing up against wrong, he just keeps his head down and tries to fly under the radar. I'm sure that in his heart, he hates the over-lording, lies and bullying but he lacks the courage and conviction to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
In that regard, Scott is like many ministers in LCG who grumble about the situation but their keen sense of self preservation prevents them from doing what God commands.
Remember Scott...
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren - Proverbs 6:16-19
The problem with Armstrongism is that the leaders have always presented themselves as some sort of all-knowing guiding light, while actually blinding people. Get 'em focussed on the Germans even after the failure of 1975, and blind them to the Arabs and 9-11! Focus them on a holocaust based on false prophecy so that they wouldn't think about reducing carbon footprint, or be concerned about man killing the oceans, or the international animal holocaust that has virtually cut the animal population in half over the past twenty years. Get members so focussed on legalism that it makes them take a dump on anyone around them that's not a member, and rat on the ones who are. I'm so glad that we get to expose all of that ignorance here, and hopefully to wake people up and educate them out of toxic mindsets!
ReplyDeleteMainstream Christians and atheists actually have more natural love and concern for fellow man than do most of those deliberately blinded by Armstrongism!
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@ Anon 9:23 AM
ReplyDeleteIf Scott is letting his "keen sense of self preservation" prevent him from acting against LCG corruption, he has no business claiming that he "hates" the behavior he is enabling by his presence. Were he a Christian, he would either speak up (and probably be fired), or would leave. More than that, for every day Scott stays there (and stays silent) he is slowly becoming corrupted, himself, so he is increasingly becoming one of the corrupt problems rather than someone who might shame the leadership into fixing the problems.
LCG HQ is probably past the point where it could be fixed by firing just one or two toxic employees. If Rod Meredith had fired just two or three people, five or ten years ago, LCG HQ would likely be a very different place today. Unfortunately, he protected some of the worst people, who in turn have corrupted others. Today, if Gerald Weston chose to fire the two most corrupt people at LCG HQ, other corrupt employees would move right in to fill the corruption vacuum.
Not until there is another church split, and we find out which group recruits the corrupt ministers, will there be a reasonable chance for today's LCG members to enjoy a genuinely Godly church.
At least Scott sold out for more than 30 pieces of silver.
ReplyDeleteLiving University's IRS Form 990 for 2016 reports that his annual salary (not counting expense account, etc.) was $94,661. That's not as much as Mike Germano's $106,003, but I guess it's enough to dull the conscience.
2016 Form 990 for Living University
The form also reveals the shocking degree of nepotism within the tiny, inbred group. From Schedule O:
"The Executive VP and Dean of Faculty is the son of a board member. Two board members are brothers-in law. One board member is the son of another board member. Two board members are cousins. There are two pairs of uncle/nephew relationships on the board. One member is the son-in-law of another member."
I haven't taken the time to read all the comments on this post, so perhaps this has already been stated, but I would say that these comments made by Scott are exactly in line with everything "the church" has taught regarding the role of the sexes throughout the decades of its existence. Never has "the church" adopted a realistic or balanced, Godly perspective of women, or a woman's role in life, marriage, community or the home. Most of these coddled so-called "ministers" have a completely carnal approach toward women - that is that a woman's role is to submit entirely to the demands of her husband - if she has one, regardless of how demeaning or abusive those demands are, and do it immediately and without complaining. Her job is to server her man, in every way, regardless of how obscene his rantings are, and be sure to spread your legs on queue. And, for God's sake - shut the he11 up - after all you're a woman so you're stupid and no one is interested in what you have to say (remember, God made you the "weaker vessel - which means that even God himself acknowledges your inept ability for reason and logic). The attitude toward women in these organizations is so terrible, in fact, that most "ministers" advocate for better treatment of your children, or even your family pet, than for the "woman of the house". Only by submitting to the church's strict interpretation of the "scriptural role of women" can a woman truly fulfill her God-given role as a submissive wife, and be truly "fulfilled and happy". But, if she fails in any way, she's miserable and has no one to blame but herself. In fact, if there are any issues whatsoever in a marriage, from finances, to adultery on the part of her husband, porn addiction, to out and out physical abuse, it's all on the wife. If she were truly submitting to her husband, as God commands (according to these false representatives of God), the marriage would be perfectly harmonious and everyone would be happy.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't believe me, all you have to do is make a study of the "marriage" sermons produced by these so-called "ministers" and then listen to the countless heartbreaking stories of women who have been abused in marriage only to find that the "church" backs the husband in the situation.
If these so-called ministers really wanted to help, they should first, resign as full-time ministers, and get a real job. Second, they should get converted. Third, they should study the scripture from an unbiased perspective, and ask God, in all humility, to truly show them His way, and give them His understanding - and submit to that understanding. Next, they should learn to actually teach (most of them haven't a clue). Finally, if they do teach, they should do it with all humility and understand that they will be held to account for every word they speak - so they better speak the unbiased truth.
Of course, none of this will happen because these guys are too arrogant and full of themselves to actually accept humility.
My advise to women - God gave you a brain, and he expects you to use it. He instructs all of us to be of sound mind (a rarity these days) and of good courage - this includes being strong and defending yourself and your beliefs in the Lord. Finally, find a man who is not challenged by your willingness to submit to God above all else, including him.
@ BB
ReplyDeleteMainstream Christians and atheists actually have more natural love and concern for fellow man than do most of those deliberately blinded by Armstrongism!
How true! When I left LCG, I was afraid that I would be walking into a hostile world where I would find no love. What I found, though, was a world in which many, many people offer much more love and affection than I ever found in LCG.
Hello--this is King Solomon! I wrote the entire book of Proverbs...but Satan wrote the 31st chapter! All that garbage about buying fields, or plants a vineyard to make money. The worst part is making and selling linen garments! SATANIC!! I--King Solomon--am so glad to have "true ministers" put women back in their place! Just who do they think they are...human?? Yep, we should be like Saudi Arabia or Iran! Now women know their place there! Well, just wanted to praise LCG, RCG, UCG, PCG, for all their "enlightened" viewpoints. Well, just wanted to point out that Prov. 31 is Satan's work, not mine. Guess that's it. I've been asleep for 3000 years, but wanted to take a moment to clarify this. Time now to go back to sleep......
ReplyDelete"On that point about who Connie is (Anon, 3:03am), a reverse image search turns up a certain Princess Blueyez strip-tease from which that profile pic has been grabbed. So, yeah, lol if you believe that picture is the actual person posting here as Connie."
ReplyDeleteIf Gary were a ministurd, he'd now be shouting that you were causing the flock to look at porn. LOL.
The ministry and church members have never really had an issue with porn. Many ministers, evangelists, and others looked at or subscribed to various men's magazines and other avenues of eye candy. I know several evangelists who subscribed to Playboy. One evangelist's wife subscribed to Playgirl. They both had them on their nightstands. Oh, the fun of working in Pasadena! lol
ReplyDeleteOh, you wouldnt know that to hear some of the pastors I had to sit through, heh.
ReplyDeleteNo2HWA please investigate and write an article on what anon 11:51 said.
ReplyDeleteIt will shock LCG members as it shocked me.
The people need to know.
Byker, I've only ever had one wife, and she is feisty also. I recall a WCG service in which a recorded message was played, and it was pretty long, so the song leader only led the congregation in two hymns at the start of the service, instead of the usual three. Then a deacon presented the opening prayer and actually apologized to God that we had only sung two hymns. It was embarrassing to listen to that, and while the congregation said their unified Amen, this darling wife of mine just as loudly said "Bullshit!" instead. Women like that are good for us.
ReplyDeleteGordon, the teachers of Armstrongism speak with a forked tongue, too. They teach subservience and docility for the ladies, right up until their husbands leave the church. Then, suddenly and miraculously, they expect these ladies to stand up to their husbands and remainnin the church. In mock wonderment, Rod Meredith used to do a zombie walk across the stage to illustrate how the wives "meekly follow their husbands right out of God's Church"
DeleteLook at how Dave Pack expects the women to take over the family finances when their husbands leave, so that he continues to get his "common".
These conflicts and mixed messages are easy to understand once one realizes that anything those churches teach is taught because in some way it benefits the church corporate.
BB
The only female who ever looked up to me the way COG women are supposed to look up to their husbands was a bird dog named Stella. My son and some family friends once took a walk around our field road. I told them I would be along in a while, but they should go ahead and take Stella for her exercise run. After twenty minutes or so I rounded a corner of the field, about a hundred yards from the group. Stella looked up and raced toward me, wiggling with joy all over. My son said later that he explained to the people, "Here comes her deity of choice."
ReplyDeleteShe had an unbecoming habit. She would come up beside me, press her shoulder against my leg, and gaze up at my face with adoring eyes. It was embarrassing. My daughter would look disgustedly at the dog and say, "Oh, Stella, for goodness' sake. Have some respect for yourself. Show a little dignity."
It would be even more embarrassing for a human female to idolize her man the way that dog did, and give up her self-respect and her dignity.
I would have amened your wife's comment Gordon. Go girl! I got to being a heckler in the back row at the feast the last couple of years I was attending. The stuff they spouted was just so far from right that anyone with a properly functioning bullshit detector would know it. Sadly many of the human race believe what they are told / go along to get along.
ReplyDeleteApologizing that they had only sung two hymns. Pffft. The way they always rushed through them (gotta time limit ya' know) is a stinking farce anyway. How does that allow for any true worship or praise or joy in keeping the Sabbath? Having not come into the WCg until my mid 20's I had spent enough time in other denominations to see a direct comparison in the practice of order of and style of services. Garbage! Where did they get the idea to put God's time under a stopwatch? Come on people we have to hurry this up! No, we can't actually sing a hymn where it means anything, hurry, hurry so we can get to the ministers mind numbing indoctrination, we want your money and your souls.
The only difference I could see between church experience in my youth and the ACOg's in adulthood, was the day of the week they 'kept'. The ACOg's do not stand out in the crowd.
"The Executive VP and Dean of Faculty is the son of a board member. Two board members are brothers-in law. One board member is the son of another board member. Two board members are cousins. There are two pairs of uncle/nephew relationships on the board. One member is the son-in-law of another member."
ReplyDeleteI would love to know the names. Can anyone fill in the blanks?
LCG is a family business. Gerald Weston is a hired CEO but make no mistake, it's still a family business!
An LCG split would be a good thing. Many members are sincere and heart sick over the current state of affairs. Hopefully all the corrupt men would head in one direction and leave us with a purified remnant.
ReplyDeleteWyatt Ceiseilka
Jim Meredith
Rod McNair
Dexter Wakefield
Gary Ehman
Don Davis
You guys'll can start the "Not All Scripture Applies To Me COG" or perhaps "The Ends Justify the Means COG".
You are ruining LCG so please hurry.
I wonder how many of those men that "left the church" were simply a victim of being emasculated by the church ministry. The ministry would say "lead your family", but it was lead your family in the way I (the ministry) say. If the husband thought something different from the WCG dogma, the wife must first follow God (which required being in lock step with the church dogma). If the husband disagreed with the dogma, the wife would say, "Mr. Minister says otherwise.." This, of course, showed the husband who the real head of his household was.
ReplyDeleteThe work of the Holy Spirit in the husband's study of the Bible did not matter; both God (His inspiration) and the husband, played second and third fiddle to the minister and his dogma. Eventually, having a minister and his dogma as the spiritual head in a marriage causes resentment and turmoil. This was probably the impetus for quite a few angry and yelling husbands. Not an excuse, but it happened plenty. Then, the minister would "understandingly" point out that you must forsake all for God (which of course meant, follow my dogma), or risk your spiritual life. Thus, the husband is now labeled as "not pleased to dwell" and presto ... another broken family.
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ReplyDeleteWyatt Ceiseilka
Jim Meredith
Rod McNair
Dexter Wakefield
Gary Ehman
Don Davis
Do you realize that many of these men cannot stand each other? At best, some are "frenemies" in the office, following the old adage, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
Ceiseilka is a master at using people against each other and co-opting them to achieve his goals. He works with those other men, but he knows they are his competition, so he also works hard to keep them from surpassing him.
Rod McNair thinks he is using Ceiseilka, and Ceseilka thinks he is using Rod McNair. Ceseilka basically "played" McNair into arranging the defrocking and exile of his brother-in-law Jon Robinson. This both achieved Ceseilka's goal and damaged McNair's reputation, a double-win for Ceseilka. McNair is also the genius who mishandled the Patrick and Elizabeth Scarborough situation and showed his partiality in handling the Book of Enoch controversy. I don't imagine any of the other men will want to be around him after the next split.
Jim Meredith is a stupid, stupid man and his power is on the wane. It will remain only to the degree that he "knows where the bodies are buried" and could embarrass Gerald Weston if he isn't treated well.
Dexter Wakefield may be going senile, and his main accomplishment some days is reading the entire Wall Street Journal while sitting alone in his office. Meredith knew how to make him feel important, but it remains to be seen how long Wakefield will retain influence in the Weston administration.
Gary Ehman flies under the radar because, unlike some of the above-named men, he is willing to do actual work that the younger men are either unwilling or unable to do. He may be personally weird, and he is very, very arrogant underneath his "aw, shucks" exterior, but he has a reputation for being an excellent pastor and will be an asset to whatever split gets him.
Don Davis is almost 80 years old, and hasn't molested anyone in at least 25 years. He has been irrelevant for at least a decade, and is in declining health.
I cannot believe that these men will ever be together in a split. If they are, avoid that split like the plague.
And of course everyone leaving a comment on this thread actually listened to the sermon, right? I thought not.
ReplyDeleteWhy would we listen to the sermon? It's Armstrongism, which means it's raw, untreated sewage.
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"The combination of a healthy body and a stable relationship with a self-reliant woman who takes zero shit from me or anyone else has made the continuity of my working life possible. And I believe the converse is also true: that my writing and the pleasure I take in it has contributed to the stability of my health and my home life."
ReplyDelete--Stephen King, On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft
Why would anyone expect Connie to use her real picture?
ReplyDeleteMost people on here don't. I know Hoss doesn't, and I am pretty sure that picture NO2HWA uses isn't a selfie!!
Q, the picture I currently use is a real picture of me. My screen name is based on my first name, and the hobby that has dominated my life. To me, the most important aspect of communication on blogs and forums is the proper representation of one's personality, so that when people respond, they know what "character" they are responding to, and approximately what his or her views trend towards.
ReplyDeleteConnie, as an example, is witty and incisive, and is a sabbatarian Christian, though not one with radical right wing views. She seems to agree with what she can agree with for the purpose of civil conversation, and lets the other stuff go by. And, the facts she researches and contributes are very valuable to this blog. Somebody obviously has some negatives about some aspect of that. Can't quite make out why.
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There's nothing wrong with Connie not using her real picture, but it should be stated. For a while there, I thought that her most recent photo is her at some point in her life.
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ReplyDeleteDear Scott,
Why don’t you consider getting a *REAL* job????? You are *NOT* QUALIFIED to be a minister because you have NO CLUE as to what that even entails!!! Ministers were *NEVER* meant to be DICTATORS!!! WHERE is the example of a HIERARCHY in the Bible??? Who died and put YOU in charge?? You and your wife come off like STUCK UP, ENTITLED BRATS!!! What are you thinking?? No wonder your numbers are LOW and people are LEAVING left and right!! They see through your FACADE!! Your organization is a HOUSE OF CARDS!! I suggest you get a REAL job before it BLOWS OVER because it WILL!!