Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Gary allows for me to mess with your minds while he waits for Dave Pack and the others to pontificate on how it all really is, what we need to do, who we must follow, how much to give and all about how to attain protection in the Place of Safety (IF we qualify) for our final training until we become God as God is God.
This is a "cheap shot" that capitalizes on Young Earth Creationism - the least defensible theory of special creation. I doubt that it messes with anybody's mind on this blog.
Young Earth Creationism is what the vast majority of Fundamentalist and Literalist Christians adhere to. Whatever other idea you might have about the place of a god in your more indefensible magic. But I understand the need to have a god in the story of man. It just feels better.
As a fundamentalist pentecostal I can assure you that I have NEVER been a "young earth creationist". I think you have preconceived notions of what the "vast majority" believes because you lived in the insular world that HWA brainwashed into his huddled masses.
Believing in a God gives people hope for a better life after this life. My belief is that there isn't a life after this life. If I am wrong then I will be as happy as everyone else and enjoy a much better life. The point I am trying to make is that no amount of hope will or can change what happens to us when we die. Either we all live on somehow or, (as I think), there is nothing and we cease to exist. I guess having hope helps to make life more bearable for people but it does nothing to change what actually happens to us when we die.
Anon said: As fundamentalist pentecostal I can assure you that I have NEVER been a "young earth creationist". I think you have preconceived notions of what the "vast majority" believes because you lived in the insular world that HWA brainwashed into his huddled masses."
Nope, Not the brainwashed by HWA , huddled masses argument again! lol. You might add the American South and the Baptist faith. Bob Jones University in SC and what it teaches about creation/science to it's huddled masses would take your breath away. Or as one student told me when a client and we had a chat about Neanderthals and what they might think of them, "I just believe what they tell me."
Of course there are individual exceptions but not so much Organizational ones.
"In contrast, 50 percent of Americans over 65 are Young Earth Creationists; they believe the Earth was created 10,000 years ago and humans have never evolved, according to a 2014 Gallup poll."
Other polls find it between 42% and 50% 97% plus of scientists in their fields believe in evolution of course and 40 to 50% of college students don't.
After I graduated from Ambassador university I attended Heritage Bible College and I remember in a bible study class our professor said that the theory of a "young earth creation" originated with the roman catholic church. Thankfully we are not ruled by the catholocs. :)
I suppose technically it did, since Bishop Ussher's chronology was widely accepted for so long. Of course, old ideas get recycled independently as generations go on, so today's fundie YECs can have little to no link to the historical mother church.
Well, its nice to know that when Im 6000 years old, I can still claim that Im a "Young Creation", (although I may have to cover a few gray hairs with some highlights at that time!)
AC/WCG probably served as a microcosm for the rest of the world in that not everybody believed exactly what they are taught. We humans do have an innate skepticism which I believe to be one of the built in defense mechanisms which ensures survival of the species.
The problem becomes how and where this defense mechanism is applied, exploited, or negated by various individuals. There will always be "collector" types who attempt to motivate you to counter or thwart your defense mechanisms, usually in order to precondition you to endorsing their line of thinking. We've seen examples of this not only in Armstrongism, but also amongst those who would like us to join in their beliefs in certain conspiracy theories, their racism, or their worship of defeated demagogues of the past. It is not unusual for such ones to become hostile, and to accuse you of not being open minded if you challenge them or refuse outright to accept and endorse their simplistic drivel.
Gary allows for me to mess with your minds while he waits for Dave Pack and the others to pontificate on how it all really is, what we need to do, who we must follow, how much to give and all about how to attain protection in the Place of Safety (IF we qualify) for our final training until we become God as God is God.
ReplyDeleteSomehow it helps me get through... lol.
This is a "cheap shot" that capitalizes on Young Earth Creationism - the least defensible theory of special creation. I doubt that it messes with anybody's mind on this blog.
ReplyDeleteSince no gods exist and I have no hope of going to Heaven I might as well just kill myself so I can escape this shitty life.
ReplyDeleteYoung Earth Creationism is what the vast majority of Fundamentalist and Literalist Christians adhere to. Whatever other idea you might have about the place of a god in your more indefensible magic. But I understand the need to have a god in the story of man. It just feels better.
ReplyDeleteAs a fundamentalist pentecostal I can assure you that I have NEVER been a "young earth creationist". I think you have preconceived notions of what the "vast majority" believes because you lived in the insular world that HWA brainwashed into his huddled masses.
ReplyDeleteBelieving in a God gives people hope for a better life after this life. My belief is that there isn't a life after this life. If I am wrong then I will be as happy as everyone else and enjoy a much better life. The point I am trying to make is that no amount of hope will or can change what happens to us when we die. Either we all live on somehow or, (as I think), there is nothing and we cease to exist. I guess having hope helps to make life more bearable for people but it does nothing to change what actually happens to us when we die.
ReplyDeleteAnon said: As fundamentalist pentecostal I can assure you that I have NEVER been a "young earth creationist". I think you have preconceived notions of what the "vast majority" believes because you lived in the insular world that HWA brainwashed into his huddled masses."
ReplyDeleteNope, Not the brainwashed by HWA , huddled masses argument again! lol. You might add the American South and the Baptist faith. Bob Jones University in SC and what it teaches about creation/science to it's huddled masses would take your breath away. Or as one student told me when a client and we had a chat about Neanderthals and what they might think of them, "I just believe what they tell me."
Of course there are individual exceptions but not so much Organizational ones.
"In contrast, 50 percent of Americans over 65 are Young Earth Creationists; they believe the Earth was created 10,000 years ago and humans have never evolved, according to a 2014 Gallup poll."
Other polls find it between 42% and 50% 97% plus of scientists in their fields believe in evolution of course and 40 to 50% of college students don't.
Dennis at 6:05 AM, I'M evangelical Pentecostal, not Baptist and I'm not in the American South, I'm in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia.
DeleteAfter I graduated from Ambassador university I attended Heritage Bible College and I remember in a bible study class our professor said that the theory of a "young earth creation" originated with the roman catholic church. Thankfully we are not ruled by the catholocs. :)
ReplyDeleteI suppose technically it did, since Bishop Ussher's chronology was widely accepted for so long.
DeleteOf course, old ideas get recycled independently as generations go on, so today's fundie YECs can have little to no link to the historical mother church.
Well, its nice to know that when Im 6000 years old, I can still claim that Im a "Young Creation", (although I may have to cover a few gray hairs with some highlights at that time!)
ReplyDeleteAC/WCG probably served as a microcosm for the rest of the world in that not everybody believed exactly what they are taught. We humans do have an innate skepticism which I believe to be one of the built in defense mechanisms which ensures survival of the species.
ReplyDeleteThe problem becomes how and where this defense mechanism is applied, exploited, or negated by various individuals. There will always be "collector" types who attempt to motivate you to counter or thwart your defense mechanisms, usually in order to precondition you to endorsing their line of thinking. We've seen examples of this not only in Armstrongism, but also amongst those who would like us to join in their beliefs in certain conspiracy theories, their racism, or their worship of defeated demagogues of the past. It is not unusual for such ones to become hostile, and to accuse you of not being open minded if you challenge them or refuse outright to accept and endorse their simplistic drivel.
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In a way the video exemplifies the position that the best COG critics are former COG members.
ReplyDelete314. Oh Caaanada! They offered to take Washington state and Oregon into the fold as the new province Cascadia. In a heartbeat!
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