2019 Spring holy day gathering with the Chief Zealot of the Church
The fact is that God is not blessing us today because of our lack of zeal. We seek excuses to not obey and please God when if we were truly godly we would be continually seeking how we might better obey and please him.
Another key element is slavery to 1975 Armstrong tradition, and of course the desire of so many to go their own way instead of cleaving to every Word of God; which has split the brethren so that there can be several different sites in the same locations and different congregations in the same cities.
If we were zealous to turn to God and to live by every Word of God with a whole heart we would not be in our present circumstance. The Plain Truth is that so many make excuses for the present situation when the situation is our own fault for not being zealous for godliness; we are in this situation because of our own sins
The Chief Pharisee has a solution to the problem of entire families travelling to a feast site. Send two representatives (along with their money) to worship at his feet. All ACOG members should be sending their representatives to him. All should attend his site where they will be bombarded for 7 days with every legalistic piece of crap he can dig up while totally ignoring Jesus and the new covenant.
In the kingdom billions will not be able to go to Jerusalem three times each year; instead the Feast will be observed in the local congregations which will sponsor and send selected representative to Jerusalem each year with the intention of everyone having an opportunity to go in their own lifetime. If we were only united and godly we could begin doing this same thing today!
We also need to make the Feasts of God Spiritual Feasts full of the knowledge of godliness, instead of party time carnal self-indulgence with annually repetitious sermons full of error and completely lacking in what God requires.So stop making excuses! Get your check book out and prepare yourselves to come to his holy mountain top to listen to him preach his version of bitter legalism. What a joyous 7 days THAT wail be! NOT!
It is time that we STOPPED making excuses for our lack of zeal for godliness and began to seek to please God in FAITH; that he will provide a way for those who want to please him, to do so!
I think many of these leaders need to pull regular double shifts and attend night school while raising a family and then spout about zealousness unto obedience bringing blessings.
ReplyDeleteAll of what he writes hear doesn't even hold to what the scriptures actually say and he misses the grand overall point of what functional religion is in the spirit begotten church.
If zealousness to obedience and sending representatives to Jerusalem constitutes the receiving of a blessing, then I am off crawling on my knees all the way there - which should bring a big blessing.
Zealousness unto good works ("If you have done it unto the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me") is the formula for a blessing for the spirit begotten christian.
The fruits of the land flowing with milk and honey are long gone and here is just another man trying to transplant into the thinking of his members that obedience will bring blessings from the reward of the old covenant which no longer exists.
With no mention of the rewards for the christian relationship between God (Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, soul and mind) and fellow brethren (love your neighbor as your self), the writer has missed the whole point of having the Spirit of God indwelling in a person.
And if the writer misses that point, all of what he has written here are just the ramblings of a man lost to the fact of reality of what is and what is going to be.
Malm work? Work a double shift? LMAOBMHATW!! He is a perpetual couch patato that is trying to get his few followers to send him money to keep his lights turned on. His wife was smart to leave him. He is such a sad little man.
ReplyDeleteWow! This is the guy who believes in the significance of the new moons, yet doesn’t teach or keep the lunar sabbath, which was the entire reason for the noteworthiness of the new moons to the priests prior to the advent of the Hillel II calendar! Yet, he thrives on inconvenient Phariseeism!
ReplyDeleteWell, James, your Phariseeism runs deep, but not deep enough. Not that we’re to obsessively and compulsively get into the Old Covenant in the first place, but if you want to do that, at least get it right!
www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwas-calendar/the-lunar-sabbath.html
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Malm makes no scriptural references to any of his opinions. So they are just that - Malm's opinions. Mental bubble gum of no consequence. Out of curiosity, who died, and made the unemployed Malm an Apostle?
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The ACOGs have long taught that Christians must save 10 percent of their income to keep the annual Festivals.
ReplyDeleteThere are three Festival seasons.
Does God want us to travel to observe all three seasons? All of a sudden, three annual trips become much less affordable, and likely to involve enough scrimping and cost-cutting that the old saw about "picturing the Millennium" won't be true of the Feast of Tabernacles any longer, even if people must keep only two of the three Festival seasons with a trip.
The Armstrong approach to Festival-keeping was problematic enough, but Malm is just taking things to insane and non-scriptural extremes. What a nut!
"I think many of these leaders need to pull regular double shifts and attend night school while raising a family and then spout about zealousness unto obedience bringing blessings."
ReplyDeleteI have said that about many a COG ministurd. Maybe some really did do a full day's work, but I cannot say I knew of one like that.
Malm seems not to travel anywhere to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. So who is he to lecture brethren on travelling to a Unleavened bread feast site?
ReplyDeleteAll this sending a representative, and in the Kingdom of God only representatives will go up to Jerusalem for Tabernacles. Where in scripture is this ?? What about the rain on non attendees ??
Forget that, Jesus Christ is on His throne but you've got to attend your local feast site. Nope i would be walking to Jerusalem. I've well had enough of that, two cent preachers in this life, never mind the next.
I keep all the annual sabbaths with my family. But I recently have come to the conclusion that if you can't keep all 7 days of unleavened bread, there's no point in keeping all 8 days of Tabernacles. The commandments are the same, there is no division between those feasts.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, either I am sinning in Spring (failing with Unleavened Bread) or I am spending extra/unneeded effort in the Fall. (ie, keeping Tabernacles in a way God does not command)
Which is it? It can't be both. I have never felt guilty about going to school or working in the middle of Unleavened Bread, but we must go by God's commands, just gut feelings.
So, the command is Exo 23, 34 and Deut 16 "three times a year" we are to go to the feasts. Where? Deu 12:11, 16:2,6,11 "Where god places/sets/establishes his name"
Where was his name placed? Original in Shiloh Jer 7:12, but then later moved to Jerusalem: 1 King 11:36
"...Jerusalem, the city where I have chosen for Myself to put My name."
So, to actually obey the commandments of God on where to go for the feast you have to go to Jerusalem. Who cares how many days you keep if you aren't even obeying God on where to keep those days...
So, what about now? Anything change? (yes)
Matt 18:20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
God gave us MORE than what he gave David and Solomon in Jerusalem, God now will come directly in our midst wherever we are at, anywhere in the world. In Jerusalem God was only in the temple.
So, you can pretend to keep God's commandments by thinking the number of days you keep (incorrectly in the wrong place) or you can accept that until God comes back and creates a new Jerusalem, the location where we keep the feast is with other believers, that is where God will be, right now, today.
So, if you think going to a feast site matters more than who you meet with, you are deceiving yourself. God is with you wherever you are at, and being in a hotel vs being at home makes no difference to him. (both are permanent dwellings, don't fool yourself on the "booth" argument for Tabernacles)
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. A blessing from God. Obey God, not men.
Was the entire family required to go to Jerusalem three times a year for the Holy Days, or just the men? If everyone went, who would care for the livestock back home (Deut 16:16)?
ReplyDeleteWhat percentage of Israelite families had livestock? We know scripture records Mary being with Joseph when Jesus was 12 years old in Jerusalem. Was she a lone woman there then ?
ReplyDeleteAnother of Armstrong's and the former WCG's incorrect explanations. The Feast of Tabernacles does not picture the millennium, (if anything at that time pictures the millennium it's the seventh day, the real last Great day) it pictures us temporarily dwelling in physical bodies, and the eighth day pictures us getting our permanent spiritual bodies.
ReplyDeleteTabernacles has little to do with the temporariness of the structure which we abide in, but the temporary time that we spend there.
So to keep it in a hotel room, though not the letter of the old covenant law, (who cares I'm not under the old covenant)still pictures the biblical concept that mankind has been given seven thousand years, seven days, to live temporarily in physical bodies, awaiting our permanent home in spiritual bodies.
Just sayin', I'm not telling anyone what they have to do or what they have to believe.I
Kevin McMillen
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The expression, "the place that God will choose," appears 21 times in the Torah. The various COGS designate their sites etc. , and Malm has his ideas about attendance and where etc
ReplyDelete. However , it is certainly a worthy question to ask for PROOF that this place was where God chose, and how as that answer communicated from God to man. Im afraid that the response to such a question would be very fuzzy and subjective.
Im all for the observance of the Annual Sabbath Days, but the authority about where and how , are subject to much conjecture and speculation.
"Keeping?"
ReplyDeleteHopefully our definition of keeping unleavened bread or tabernacles isn't going to church services every day. That was the old WCG tactic to maintain/force obedience to the cult.
I "keep" unleavened bread by eating unleavened bread for seven days, and assembling on the first and seventh day if possible.
I keep tabernacles by living temporarily somewhere that I don't normally live, whether that is a hotel, a rented house, or a tent in my back yard, and assembling on the first day if possible.
I "keep" the eighth day (It was the seventh day, the last day of the feast of tabernacles, that great day, not the eighth day, when Jesus said that anyone thirsty can come to him. The seventh day pictures the millennium and the Great White Throne Judgement which happens at the end of the millennium when mankind is still in temporary physical bodies) by assembling if possible.
On the eighth day, symbolically we're no longer in our temporary bodies but finally in our permanent "home" our spiritual body. This is why there are seven days of tabernacles and not eight.
The eighth day pictures the future with God and whatever he has planned for us, it does not picture the GWTJ as we were taught because at this time there will be no more flesh. The former things will have passed away.
Again, this is what I do and what I believe, It is not my intent to tell others what they have to do or believe. That's between them and God.
Kevin McMillen
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Most lunar Sabbath keepers are finally seeing that you can't count seven sabbaths and 50 days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath. So now they count seven sabbaths then on the morrow after the seventh sabbath they start a fifty day count, making the day they keep Pentecost some 99 odd days from the wave sheaf.
ReplyDeleteThat would make Pentecost some 59 days after Jesus' ascension.
I'm not knocking what they do, to each their own in trying to obey God, but it's too convoluted for me.
Kevin McMillen
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The Bible is written from an Israel-centric perspective. The culture God gave to the children of Israel makes perfect sense as practiced in the specific geographic area of the promised land, or covenant lands. Even the prophecy regarding the Egyptians attending the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem is not too great a stretch, considering their proximity to Israel. But, it starts to break up when one considers the Southern Hemisphere (where the holy days are upside down with the seasons with which they are associated), and distant lands across major bodies of water. The global population is so great in our current times that Jerusalem could only house a very small percentage.
ReplyDeleteThe minute that Christianity grew beyond just the Jewish faith, and became inculcated into other cultures within the Roman Empire, and around the world, practicality dictated many changes. The very idea of living exactly as did the early Jewish Christians has always been an impractical pipe dream. We must remember that the Jewish Christians soon became extinct, even as Paul’s gentile churches grew and thrived.
How would the priests in the Temple at Jerusalem didn’t have cell phones to call Rome or Antioch. Communication with outlying areas required days or even weeks.
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Only the males were "required" to go to the feast. But as we know, many people went. (new testament shows this clearly)
ReplyDeleteWho had livestock or not, and how everything was taken care of is a bit of a mystery to me. Who knows? But Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt for a few years... a lot longer to leave livestock than just 8 days.
I had a friend who had a farm, all the neighbors took care of eachother's animals (even without asking sometimes). Seems like a simple idea to a farmer, but to city dwellers, maybe to hard to figure out?
No where in the bible does it say any particular feast "represents" anything in the future, only the past. Some of those meanings may be obvious by context (like Passover being about Jesus) but some are not, like Tabernacles representing the millennium. (anyone quote the scripture that says it is even slightly?)
Anon 12:17 I was enjoying reading and agreeing with your comments all along until i got to your last paragraph.
DeleteIf you cannot see prophetic parallels in scripture then no-one but God can help you on that.
Kevin
ReplyDelete"No more flesh?"
The size of the universe suggests that humans will be placed on other planets.
12:37, I agree, obviously I was talking about past earth inhabitants.
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I thought the jewish christians fled jerusalem and survived in many cities like Medina where a certain Muhamed brew another interesting broth regarding this Jesus figure.
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And the Irish Church for certain was not "Pauline" Keeping the 14th of Nisan and therefore by extension the jewish sabath unt the Council of Whitby.
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Anon 5:13
ReplyDeleteIt's not about seeing prophetic parallels, it's that some wording phrasing that is the basis for those parallels (as the COGs have always taught) simply aren't there. They are complete and total fabrications.
I had a realization years ago about a teaching that was wrong. I was so shamed in a public setting that I went back to the bible for everything. I mean everything.
There is not a single scripture that says the feast of tabernacles represents 1000 years of any kind that I can find. If you can show me the scriptures, I will believe. That is how it is supposed to work.
Go look up "last day" and "great day", every single reference is to the Feast of Trumpets, NOT tabernacles or the 8th day of the feast. Every old testaments scripture every new testament one. The only one that even remotely associates "last" and "great" with Tabernacles is "the last day of the feast, that great day" and the "day" in "great day" is not even in the Greek, it's IMPLIED.
This is one example of the blatant disregard for discussion and change in the COGs. One critical bible study could have fixed this error, but it is so ingrained in the psyche that it will never happen.
I hope you realize some day that just because you believe or have been taught something is in the bible doesn't mean it is. Go prove everything, like we were taught to.