From an RCG source with an excerpt from sermon 287:
Now whenever Mr. Armstrong used the term, "whenever God shook the tree" back in Worldwide, I watched this over and over, because I pastored more people than anybody ever. And I knew many, many ministers, and I just saw a lot. And it was part of my training. I noticed that all the beautiful people would always leave. All the "hoity toitys," the people who wanted to be seen and the flatterers, it was always at the end of one of these sweeping problems, like 1974 or other times, even in the apostasy, in the early nineties. The beautiful people would go over a cliff like lemmings, because their heart wasn't here. It was the non-beautiful people, who stayed. People didn't care, who “read” the beautiful people like they were a book, like they were "McGuffey's Reader," "See Spot Run." That's how hard some of them were.
And you know, this well-known evangelist's wife standing there talking to a bunch of other ministers wives said, "I'm so glad my husband is an evangelist so that, I can buy several mink stoles." And then she showed them her mink stole, what a filthy attitude. Well, she's long gone. Their husband's long dead, but I knew I knew her well. So the beautiful people would leave, like rabbits in a storm. The old timers, sometimes but when the going gets tough, the tough got going, and the rest got out! They were gone.
Now, the church is growing all over the world. We bring people to Headquarters and sometimes because you have greater needs at Headquarters--small church--you have to accept people who don't belong at all, even in the church, nevermind Headquarters.
But you can't tell, because the first flatterers the earth will see are not going to be during the first kingdom. There are other flatters, and they will come here and they may be, almost like "rocks "God raises up to Abraham, to help and do a certain work and then they're gone. It's like we were just on their "bucket list" and they get a "check mark" and off they go! That was it. "You didn't think I was serious about this did you?" Well, I drew a salary for five or 10 or whatever number of years, "You didn't think I meant it did you?" "I'm a fraud, I'm out of here!" But it would always have to be [that] things were a little tougher or didn't go like they thought it should. "I can't take this!" They practically stamped their feet and ran out, like a brat in the grocery store aisle.
And I just tell you, at the end of all of this, the people that come through, are the ones that trust in the Lord. "When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith in the earth?" The beautiful people who are always the ones that rise in power, they have more gifts and more skills and they're more in love with themselves, they're more self-focused and self-centered, and self-righteous, we would call them the “elites.” They believe God put them on to run the world. But as soon as he wants to run the world, watch for how many of them are gone. When you look for, you know, the house of the wicked, Psalm 37 says there they're gone in their house too. So, it's, it's a lesson to us. We stayed the course. It's part of why I said we stand first in line. We not only had to do this, we had to do it in the Laodicean age. And that was not easy.
The RCG source notes:
I do find it funny all us Ex-CGers were considered vile, ax grinders, heretics, opportunists, rebels....but now we are the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE... gotta love it!
Dave is projecting again. What's the difference between wanting a mink and the Steuben Cup of Elijah for your desk? Both make one feel more important than they really are.
ReplyDeleteSo now we know why current COG leaders are ugly as sin! All the cool and beautiful people have left!
ReplyDeletePoor Bob Thiel, once again at the bottom of the barrel. The dregs of the church.
I have to laugh at Dave's constant bragging that he has pastored more people in the church than any other minister. That's a lie and he knows it.
ReplyDeleteWhile I attended services, I didn't notice a relationship between members physical appearance and their character. The old 'you can't judge a book by its cover' thingy.
ReplyDeleteSo all the ugly, untalented people stayed?
ReplyDelete“ .... The beautiful people ... they have more gifts and more skills and they're more in love with themselves, they're more self-focused and self-centered, and self-righteous ....”
ReplyDeleteWait what?! Is Dave now saying that beauty equals selfishness and self righteousness? Beautiful people are sinners?
Sounds like Dave is jealous! What’s wrong Dave? Can’t stand the look of yourself in the mirror anymore? Or are you getting tired of seeing the RCG members looking like a bunch of hobos? Maybe you should stop demanding that they hand over all their money to you, so they can afford to spend some cash on themselves; buy some new clothes (instead of second hand ones) and have a haircut (instead of doing it themselves because they can’t afford it anymore). And maybe even buy some decent food (instead of the cheap meals because they need to send in their tithes).
"..my husband is an evangelist so that, I can buy several mink stoles."
ReplyDeleteWCG Evangelist rank were drawing 6-figure salaries. That's a lot of money from the poor!
Working for Dave Pack is on everyone's bucket list?!? Oh hell no! That may be the most delusional thing the man has said. I wouldn't curse my worst enemy to such a fate. And I lived it for years.
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ReplyDeleteDave Pack has one of the UGLIEST personalities around.
"Not many beauties now are called
ReplyDeleteNot many monied brethren
Not many pretty chosen ones
For you see your calling...
Sheep for Dave
You are called
Not because of pretty
You who are called and now in Dave
Are leftovers to be pitied."
I think you know the tune.
lol Love it Dennis!
DeleteSING ALONG TIME! Sing to the tune "If You Want To Be Happy For The Rest of Your Life" - Jimmy Soul 1963
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/Qh9ZZgDqzAg
If you wanna be in Restored
For the rest of your life...
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view.
Get an ugly girl to marry you
A pretty woman makes Pack look small
And really could cause his downfall
As soon as he employs her, then she starts
To do the things that will break his heart.
But if you make an ugly woman his slave,
Dave's Happy the rest of his days
An ugly woman tithes on time
She'll always give Dave some peace of mind
If you wanna be in Restored
For the rest of your life...
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view.
Get an ugly girl to marry you
Hey Dave I saw your wife and she's uggggly!
DeleteLOL...isn't he the one who calls his street/subdivision "Executive Row". Utter hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteHe's not referring to how people look, he's referring to hoity personality, metaphorically called the 'Beautiful-people' as in Beatles' song.
ReplyDeleteThe Beautiful People
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't want you and I don't need you
Don't bother to resist, or I'll beat you
It's not your fault that you're always wrong
The weak ones are there to justify the strong
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
It's all relative to the size of your steeple
You can't see the forest for the trees
You can't smell your own s**t on your knees
There's no time to discriminate
Hate every m*****f****r
That's in your way
Hey you, what do you see?
Something beautiful or something free?
Hey, you, are you trying to be mean?
If you live with apes man, it's hard to be clean
The worms will live in every host
It's hard to pick which one they eat the most
The horrible people, the horrible people
It's as anatomic as the size of your steeple
Capitalism has made it this way…
by: Marilyn Manson
And Marilyn Mandin is cruel too SSS.
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ReplyDeleteHe knows his reich is crumbling. He is lashing out. He could very well go out in a Jonestown type massacre.
ReplyDeleteSince Pack seems to be showing signs of an untreated mental illness, there's a 50-50 chance you could be right about a Jonestown scenario.
DeleteAccording to Merriam-Webster, "Hoity-toity" means "marked by an air of assumed importance" In other words, there should be a picture of David Pack next to the entry! It is encouraging though to think that Pack might listen to the very "worldly" and "satanic" music of The Beatles.
ReplyDeleteRoses are red,
ReplyDeleteroses are blue
depending on their velocity
relative to you
nck
Nck,
ReplyDeleteAt what relative sobriety does the beauty shift occur?
That can only depend Nck on the perception of the leaders and the box member element being correct.
DeleteWhich it rarely is.
Nck
ReplyDeleteAh, the dobbler effect. Your comment is so deep that I don't understand it. As is often the case.
at 12:35 PM
ReplyDeleteMaybe there is some truth to this statement...
Think about it. David pack was "probably" the pastor with the most pastorate transfers in WCG. "Probably" because everywhere he went he caused issues. He makes it seems like he was the "grand fixer" of every pastorate he inherited. Narcasccist as its finest.
The employee/membership turnover in RCG is utterly staggering.
So just maybe, maybe...this statement holds up, as exaggerated as it sounds. You know, he makes it sound like he "pastored" "x" amount of people, but anyone can pastor one person for one day and get away with saying they pastored them in general.
David loves to skew numbers, percentages and he most definitely has a tendency to exaggerate his accomplishments.
He has a god complex. And as the years go by he's getting to the point where he will evolve to his next prime level. Loaded God Complex.
"David loves to skew numbers"
ReplyDeleteAbout 15 years ago Dave was bragging about membership numbers in a sermon. According to HWA (so said Dave) head count (or $ count) was the 'true measurement of a church's growth'.
He gave no bottom line figures, only percentage and number changes based on a given year. It was like, 'since 200x, we increased by 10% in this area, which was 100 more than this area, which was 20% more than x years ago...
Dropping all his numbers into Excel, it came out to be about 5,000 (or a multiple of 5,000). But then I'm assuming the figures he gave were real.