It's Friday and time for the weekly smackdown of LCG members concerning things they are not doing right. LCG members are still letting contentions divide them because they are not "perfectly joined together" as one. They are not humble like the ministry of the LCG is. They are also not patient, are conceited and are easily entreated as they buck for positions in the church (something the Meredith and McNair boys never did, right?). LCG members are also filled with PRIDE! Down with PRIDE!
Winnail then quotes Galatians to back up his accusations but for some reason never writes anything about what the rest of the book is actually about. People who understand grace are the people who love one another. Perhaps it is time for Winnail to start preaching grace instead of condemnation.
The Importance of Working Together: Jesus referred to His disciples as His “friends” and encouraged them to “love one another” (John 15:12–17). The Apostle Paul called those who assisted him in his ministry “my fellow workers” (Romans 16:3). He referred to members of God’s Church as “God’s fellow workers” and “workers together [coworkers] with Him” (1 Corinthians 3:9; 2 Corinthians 6:1). These exciting opportunities carry a big responsibility of learning how to work together, and the Scriptures provide valuable guidelines. We are instructed to “be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” and not let contentions divide us (1 Corinthians 1:10–13). We are to be humble; live in harmony; be patient; avoid being haughty, conceited, or ambitious for a position; and be easily entreated (Romans 12:16–18; James 3:14–18). Proverbs 13:10 reminds us that pride is a major cause of contention, and Galatians teaches us that using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissention and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship (Galatians 5:16–26). How are you doing at learning to work together?
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail
There is nothing inherently wrong with the wording of Pastor Winnail's message. As with the Scriptures, the problem arises in the interpretation of it. In other words, what do these nice words and sentiments mean to him and his audience? Unfortunately, as with Herbie and other ACOG leaders, the pastor probably means that humility, patience and love should apply to lay members (not to the ministry). Traditionally, ACOG leaders have thought that being a "team player" involved members sending their tithes into headquarters and keeping their mouths shut! Nevertheless, I don't think that Scripture anticipated that kind of "unity" and "harmony."
ReplyDelete--Lonnie
Yeah the words ain't bad but what's unsaid is..
ReplyDeleteShame all of the above does not seem to apply to the minister class...
Oh well Christ took their power away from them when he died from what little I understand )the Levi's that is or anyone else who places themselves between God and others).
I'm still too traumatized atm to even listen to a bible (I'm centrally blind so unabridged audiobooks for me).
I grew up WWCG and it's only been about 5 years since I woke up so lots to still deal with but if any of y'all grew up acog u know that lol
As for anyone who did not I envy u your not growing up scared (unless u where in an acog like group then sorry does not cut it but "I'm sorry" anyway).
I hope y'all have a good weekend,
I will not but then my life is unending pain and suffering :shrug:
Members are to "work together" and be "perfectly joined together," but no mention of rights. How can there be peace, harmony and cooperation if rights aren't understood and respected. All it amounts to in practice is that members are supposed to tolerate and silently suffer at the hands of bullies. If members stand up for themselves or disagree with others pets beliefs, one is accused of offending others and rocking the boat. It's all code words to cover up that the ACOGs have poured new wine into the old skin of bully morality.
ReplyDeleteBtw, peoples rights don't end where others start to be "offended."
Not members 3:11 but all Christians.
DeleteWait... what? Drill sergeants wear glasses now? :-)
ReplyDeleteYou have the right to obey God's laws.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think ministers lord it over the members? Observe what goes on.The reality is that if members are lorded over, they cannot fully obey God's laws at all.
DeleteOh please, the modern day ministry hate and despise the members. Think Cain and Abel. So what do you expect? "Well done faithful servants" comes from a loving God NEVER the ministry.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes Doug's messages so dangerous is his lack of interest in the terms of the New Covenant.
ReplyDeleteWinnail only teaches works of the law as the way his followers can obtain any righteousness; while the people continually suffer under the burden of never being able to keep the law well enough.
Winnail's history of preaching rejects Jesus as the source of the Christian’s righteousness, the way it is displayed in multiple verses, such as:
1 Corinthians 1:30 - It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
Winnail's preaching is void of interest in obtaining redemption or righteousness by the righteousness of Jesus, despite verses such as Romans 3:24, Romans 3:26, Romans 4:24, Romans 5:17, Romans 5:21.
This is because Dangerous Doug is committed to enslaving his followers to their own feeble efforts - and keeping them weak and obedient to him. He would never instruct his people that overcoming is a work of God the Father, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. Winnail would never preach the following verses as the way to overcome interpersonal problems and work together:
Hebrews 12:2 fix our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith.
Philippians 2:13 - for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Romans 8:26 - In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 - But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
Sadly, dangerously, Winnail ignores every scripture that teaches the New Covenant concept of Justification, so that his people will never know the way to peace with God and fellow human, as stated in Romans 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Winnail's entire volume of preaching is spoken against in Galatians 2:16 - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
I was watching a ACOG minister on YouTube, and it was obvious to me that he didn't believe some of what he was saying. I wonder how common this is? It's ironic since ministers run around playing thought policeman.
ReplyDeleteLaw Response to Salvation
ReplyDelete“Man is expected to respond to God’s grace. But how? This is the role of the law. The law explains how men are to imitate God. The NT insists that the law is not a means to salvation, but a response to salvation. The disciple is not merely to observe the letter of the commandments. His righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees. He must be perfect as his heavenly Father is perfect (Matt 5:17-48)” (Gordon J. Wenham, The Book of Leviticus, NICOT, p.34).
“Paul argued that keeping the law is the fruit of justification rather than the means of justification... The law was given to the covenant people after their redemption from Egypt..., not as a moral hurdle they had to clear if they wished to be saved” (Gordon J. Wenham, The Book of Leviticus, NICOT, p.261).
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
“Are James and Paul at variance? The answer depends on the meaning of the key passage, 2:15-26... The view taken in this present book is that disagreement between James and Paul is in fact artificially produced by wrenching James’ words out of their context. Paul and James are no more in contradiction than are Articles 11 and 12 of the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion of the Church of England. Article 11 reads: ‘We are accounted righteous before God, only for the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by Faith.’ Article 12 read: ‘Good Works, which are the fruits of Faith ... are ... pleasing and acceptable to God in Christ, and do spring out necessarily of a true and lively Faith.’ Paul and James respectively could not be more succinctly expressed. To Paul the question was, ‘How is salvation experienced?’ and the answer, ‘By faith alone.’ To James was the question was, ‘How is this true and saving faith recognized?’ and the answer, ‘By its fruits.’ The supposition that Paul and James are at variance is a false trail. Both actually faced the same problem: people were saying that, if salvation is all of grace on God’s side and solely by faith on ours, then how can it matter what way we live so long as we have ‘simple faith’? [E.g. Rom 3:8; 6:1; Jas 2:18-19]. To this both gave the same answer but in different words. Paul answered it by pointing out that saving faith brought us into union not only with the Jesus who died, but also with the Jesus who rose from the dead; if we truly died with him, then we must just as truly live with him. [Rom 6:2ff; 12ff]. James answered the question by examining the nature of faith itself, and showing that a true definition of faith must include the subsequent life, with those good works which ‘do spring out necessarily of a true and lively Faith’. [Jas 2:20-22]” (Alec Motyer, The Message of James, BST, pp.19-20).
Anon 3:11 Members are not allowed rights. Are you an elite trying to stir the pot? I've witnessed Ministry get physically very angry at the mention of others rights. Members as a whole steer clear of mentioning "rights". That's why I question your comments motives.
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Delete?? Try re reading my comment. I criticized the ministers for rejecting rights. No, I'm not a elite but a victim of rights rejection.
Doug wrote: "...Jesus referred to His disciples as His “friends” and encouraged them to “love one another”..."
ReplyDeleteAnd true with that, and it also included His FRIEND Judas, who had a responsibility to fulfill:
Matthew 26:47 "And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
50 And Jesus said unto him, FRIEND, wherefore art thou come?..."
What motivated Cain, also motivated Judas? The same "thing:"
I John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is OF the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
:12 "Not as Cain, [who] was OF that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous."
But God will work it all out for good, before taking and destroying Satan and his angels!
Although Doug may disagree regarding Jesus' friend, Judas, like Cain: both will be in the second resurrection, and Doug will see them there, then! Doug, implying he is a humble meek one, if true, will inherit the earth after the second resurrection.
Doug writes: "...pride is a major cause of contention..."
Duh! There is a verse Doug may want to be reminded of, and they tie in with the above cited verses:
Job 41:33 "Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high [things]: he [is] a king over all the children of pride."
Doug, there is the source of pride, and a bunch of other evil fruits/works! So long as Doug does not acknowledge these verses he will continue to blame/judge his followers in his Friday night smackdown, often repeated, messages.
Finally, Doug writes an untrue statement: "...Galatians teaches us that using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissention and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship..."
That, frankly, is a lie, b/c God used His Spirit to fulfill His will. Human beings do not use God's Spirit...ever! Galatians, not the Bible, teaches such a thing. Doug, what you wrote there could cause contention among your followers unless they all also actually believe what you wrote there. It is a junk food comment, b/c Galatians does not teach such a thing. If Galatians teaches that we may use God's Spirit, then give us some examples to prove it.
Does Doug really believe that he has been allowed by God to use God's Spirit? If yes, how did you get that Spirit? Take it? Steal it? Dig it out of the ground?
Peace, like faith, are fruits of/from God, that God gives out by measure/proportion to some, and eventually will give to every man/woman.
Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
6 "Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith;"
But, when will Doug repent and stop telling his readers/listeners that: "...using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissention and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship?"
Time will tell...
John
Proverbs 25:29 "God is far from the wicked.." So Christ was NOT a true friend of Judas.
DeleteSo Matthew 26:50 should read:"And Jesus said into him "friend" wherefore art thou come."
Try using some common sense.
Anon, July 12, 2021 at 10:54 AM, said:
ReplyDelete"Proverbs 25:29 "God is far from the wicked.." So Christ was NOT a true friend of Judas.
So Matthew 26:50 should read:"And Jesus said into him "friend" wherefore art thou come."
Try using some common sense.
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Common sense?
I don't know what Bible translation you are using, but my Bible does not have any Proverbs 25:29. Did you have some other verse in mind? I use the Authorized KJV, does not even have a verse 29 in Proverbs 25.
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Anon, you said: "...So Christ was NOT a true friend of Judas," and that may have been true, but Judas was a friend of Christ. Christ said so, and you admitted it by saying, "And Jesus said into him "friend" wherefore art thou come."
You may want to reconsider what you mean by "using some common sense."
Christ understood "Love thy neighbor," and Jesus loved Judas. Christ, like His Father, was not a respecter of persons, and He was not a hypocrite. He lived what He taught. He loved Judas, who had a different job, or work, to fulfill within God's PLan of Salvation to save all humanity, and subsequently destroy the wicked ones: Satan and his angels.
Christ, on a day of Passover, told the thief that he would be in Paradise with Himself, and that thief will be given life in the second resurrection. Judas will also be there, too. Why not?
Oh, and you may not believe that now, but
Time will tell...
John
is Dougie being humblw when he colors his hair?
ReplyDeleteOr, as Herbie put it, is he being haughty vain?