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Wednesday, October 20, 2021
You need DISCIPLINE!!!!!!!!!!!
This has been floating around different COG mailing lists.
1. Training expected to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior, especially training that produces moral or mental improvement: was raised in the strictest discipline. 2. a. Control obtained by enforcing compliance or order: military discipline. b. Controlled behavior resulting from disciplinary training; self-control: Dieting takes a lot of discipline. c. A state of order based on submission to rules and authority: a teacher who demanded discipline in the classroom. 3. Punishment intended to correct or train: subjected to harsh discipline. 4. A set of rules or methods, as those regulating the practice of a church or monastic order. 5. A branch of knowledge or teaching: the discipline of mathematics.
Sounds like a bunch of self-effort and rules to me, rather than being led by the Holy Spirit, loving God and your fellow man, and abiding in Christ.
Things like this come about because someone does not understand the New Covenant. Since Armstrongism does not understand it as a movement, it should not be a shock to anyone to see this kind of stuff floating around. Grace is spoken of with derision in the Church of God.
Self discipline is an awesome addition to anyone's skill set. The problem with these ACOG cretin/ministers is that they expect one's discipline to be based on all the horrible shit that they teach you guys.
I thought about God, through Moses, telling the Israelites what to do; however, they could not and would not do it!
"For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." Deuteronomy 31:29
Why couldn't they yield, obey: just need to do it? Many reasons could be cited.
Here's one possible reason:
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;..." I John 3:8
But, that's too simple. Could the devil be "in the details?" Time will tell.
Here's another possible reason:
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
But, we're told that "...you just need to do it!"
If God does not provide both "to will" and the "to do," then how will anybody "just do it?"
The former WCG hireling leaders (2 Cor 11:13-15) and followers are all willing and doing different things, and some cases similar things, but does any of that really "cut it?"
How will they "do it" if there exists another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit added to the mix?
Or, among all of the confusion (I Cor 14:33), are they all just willing and doing what seems right in their own eyes (with or without the guidance of a satanic spirit (James 4:5) driving all of them?
I thought about God, through Moses, telling the Israelites what to do; however, they could not and would not do it!
"For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." Deuteronomy 31:29
Why couldn't they yield, obey: just need to do it? Many reasons could be cited.
Here's one possible reason:
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;..." I John 3:8
But, that's too simple. Could the devil be "in the details?" Time will tell.
Here's another possible reason:
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
But, we're told that "...you just need to do it!"
If God does not provide both "to will" and the "to do," then how will anybody "just do it?"
The former WCG hireling leaders (2 Cor 11:13-15) and followers are all willing and doing different things, and some cases similar things, but does any of that really "cut it?"
How will they "do it" if there exists another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit added to the mix?
Or, among all of the confusion (I Cor 14:33), are they all just willing and doing what seems right in their own eyes (with or without the guidance of a satanic spirit (James 4:5) driving all of them?
I'm thinking that the so-called leaders of the splinters are probably hung up on the ancient root words common to "disciples" and "discipline". They attempt to make disciples by imposing discipline as opposed to disciples being disciples by exercising their own free will. You cannot legislate character.
If the church had discipline they would have been vaccinated and masked at the Feast of Tabernacles.
ReplyDeleteEh? Floating around ?
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ReplyDeleteDiscipline:
1. Training expected to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior, especially training that produces moral or mental improvement: was raised in the strictest discipline.
2.
a. Control obtained by enforcing compliance or order: military discipline.
b. Controlled behavior resulting from disciplinary training; self-control: Dieting takes a lot of discipline.
c. A state of order based on submission to rules and authority: a teacher who demanded discipline in the classroom.
3. Punishment intended to correct or train: subjected to harsh discipline.
4. A set of rules or methods, as those regulating the practice of a church or monastic order.
5. A branch of knowledge or teaching: the discipline of mathematics.
Sounds like a bunch of self-effort and rules to me, rather than being led by the Holy Spirit, loving God and your fellow man, and abiding in Christ.
There is truth in that statement.
ReplyDeleteHowever, coming from someone who has an agenda could have the statement used for manipulative results.
Things like this come about because someone does not understand the New Covenant. Since Armstrongism does not understand it as a movement, it should not be a shock to anyone to see this kind of stuff floating around. Grace is spoken of with derision in the Church of God.
ReplyDeleteProud to be a gracite!
I'd comment on this. But.... :-)
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ReplyDeleteTo the seven churches in Revelation 2 - 3 (NKJV)
church of Ephesus
“I know your works...”
“To him who overcomes...”
church in Smyrna
“I know your works...”
“He who overcomes...”
church in Pergamos
“I know your works...”
.
“To him who overcomes...”
church in Thyatira
“I know your works...”
“And he who overcomes...”
church in Sardis
"I know your works...”
“He who overcomes...”
church in Philadelphia
“I know your works...”
“He who overcomes...”
church of the Laodiceans
“I know your works...”
“To him who overcomes...”
Self discipline is an awesome addition to anyone's skill set. The problem with these ACOG cretin/ministers is that they expect one's discipline to be based on all the horrible shit that they teach you guys.
ReplyDeleteDesperate ? I challenge the accusation that this post is allegedly floating around various COG mailing.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts on "...you just need to do it."
ReplyDeleteI thought about God, through Moses, telling the Israelites what to do; however, they could not and would not do it!
"For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." Deuteronomy 31:29
Why couldn't they yield, obey: just need to do it? Many reasons could be cited.
Here's one possible reason:
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;..." I John 3:8
But, that's too simple. Could the devil be "in the details?" Time will tell.
Here's another possible reason:
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
But, we're told that "...you just need to do it!"
If God does not provide both "to will" and the "to do," then how will anybody "just do it?"
The former WCG hireling leaders (2 Cor 11:13-15) and followers are all willing and doing different things, and some cases similar things, but does any of that really "cut it?"
How will they "do it" if there exists another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit added to the mix?
Or, among all of the confusion (I Cor 14:33), are they all just willing and doing what seems right in their own eyes (with or without the guidance of a satanic spirit (James 4:5) driving all of them?
Time will tell...
My thoughts on "...you just need to do it."
ReplyDeleteI thought about God, through Moses, telling the Israelites what to do; however, they could not and would not do it!
"For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." Deuteronomy 31:29
Why couldn't they yield, obey: just need to do it? Many reasons could be cited.
Here's one possible reason:
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;..." I John 3:8
But, that's too simple. Could the devil be "in the details?" Time will tell.
Here's another possible reason:
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
But, we're told that "...you just need to do it!"
If God does not provide both "to will" and the "to do," then how will anybody "just do it?"
The former WCG hireling leaders (2 Cor 11:13-15) and followers are all willing and doing different things, and some cases similar things, but does any of that really "cut it?"
How will they "do it" if there exists another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit added to the mix?
Or, among all of the confusion (I Cor 14:33), are they all just willing and doing what seems right in their own eyes (with or without the guidance of a satanic spirit (James 4:5) driving all of them?
Time will tell...
John
I'm thinking that the so-called leaders of the splinters are probably hung up on the ancient root words common to "disciples" and "discipline". They attempt to make disciples by imposing discipline as opposed to disciples being disciples by exercising their own free will. You cannot legislate character.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like bondage to me.
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