Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders

Friday, September 9, 2022

Crackpot Prophet Comes Out!




Our very own self-appointed prophet to the Church of God has finally come out of the closet! Well, not THAT closet, but the Elijah closet.

God's greatest gift to the Church of God and humanity is the Great Beto Bwana to Africa and 199 Caucasians was perturbed yesterday that Gerald Flurry claimed that Herbert Armstrong was the end time Elijah who took the gospel to the world.

This got the self-righteous prophet's homeopathic underwear into a major organic twist! How dare Flurry claim HWA was Elijah when I, Beto Bob am the Elijah foretold to come! How dare he! Seriously, how dare he!!

Beto Bob writes:

Herbert W. Armstrong did restore various doctrinal truths to the COG, but Herbert W. Armstrong did not restore all things–though he did claim to restore at least 18. But, according to the Bible, could Herbert W. Armstrong have been the Elijah to come (Matthew 17)?

Let’s start with Malachi 4:5-6, but as shown in the Jewish Publication Society translation:

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet

Before the coming Of the great and terrible day of the LORD.
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
And the heart of the children to their fathers;
Lest I come and smite the land with utter destruction.

Notice that the Elijah is to come just before the great and terrible day of the LORD, and if he did not come, utter destruction would occur.

Herbert W. Armstrong died in January 16, 1986.

I imagine you already see where this is going. HWA is dead and the church is still here and the world is in a horrible mess and needs to be warned by someone. Hum, I wonder who that could be???? 

Did you know that even Herbert Armstrong foretold of a certain Elijah to come:

The “very end” of the Church age was not over 35 years ago! The 6000 years has NOT yet been fulfilled. Since the “very end of the Church age” has not happened, and Herbert W. Armstrong died decades ago, his writings support that there must be another Elijah. And he was referring to an individual in the Mystery of the Ages.

And, to back up that claim Beto Bob trots out less than credible Dibar Apartian as an authority on Elijah's.  Beto even drags Aaron Dean into the mix where he claimed an Elijah was yet to come.

That being said, sometimes Herbert W. Armstrong did think that he may have fulfilled the Elijah role, but he told the late Dibar Apartian (who told me) that he was NOT the Elijah. Dibar Apartian did not believe that Herbert W. Armstrong was the Elijah when we discussed this several times and he agreed with me about this. Furthermore, essentially on his deathbed, Herbert W. Armstrongadmitted to his closest aide, Aaron Dean (who told me this multiple times) that there could be an Elijah to come after he died. 
 
Combining what Herbert W. Armstrong wrote in The Mystery of the Ages and the length of time since his death demonstrates that Herbert W. Armstrong could not have been the final prophesied Elijah.

 Beto continues

Since the Bible does teach that there will be an ‘Elijah’ who is alive right before Jesus returns (Malachi 4:5-6), thus it is not possible that Herbert W. Armstrong was the prophesied final Elijah.
Now, presuming Jesus will return within the next couple of decades, then that ‘Elijah’ would need to be alive now. And he would be part of the church that places the highest priority on the truth.
Yet, most Christians seemingly refuse to accept that.

Since HWA died  36 years ago and the world is still continuing on and the Churches of God are shrinking in size, this obviously means there is still an Elijah to come! Even more obvious to everyone is that Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, and most certainly Gerald Weston are not fulfilling the Elijah role, this can only leave one person for that and it has to be Ron Weinland Bob Thiel!

No other Church of God in the entire history of Christianity is doing a work as powerful as the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" is. No one, particularly that pipsqueak Gerald Weston who made fun of Beto.

Beto writes:

We in the Continuing Church of God are regularly restoring more truth about church history, Jesus, the Bible, doctrine, and prophecy. And we have done this more (and in more languages), by far, than any other group in the 21st century (COG or otherwise for that matter). Plus we have restored important truth about why God created anything and His plan for each human.

Beto claims he and his cult were written about in the Bible to rise up in the end times.

Was that supposed to happen? 
 
Yes. 
 
Notice something that Daniel wrote:

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” (Daniel 12:4) 
 
Consider also the admonition of the Apostle Peter:

18 … grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 3:18)

No other Church of God in this horrific time of the end is growing in grace and knowledge as much as the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" is. Not even Dave Pack's endless visions by his god can measure up to the dreams and nightmares that come daily to Beto. New knowledge and truths are being revealed constantly to God's most mighty man who is the ONLY real follower of God leading a COG today.

Also consider that any who have already died are not relevant regarding all things to be restored just before the Day of the Lord–only one alive then (who would also be alive now) can possibly fulfill the Elijah role to increase knowledge and restore all things. It is not that others cannot add to knowledge, but what was to be restored in the end has to come from someone who is a real follower of God who is alive at the end. Growth of Christian knowledge did not end by January 16, 1986.

Beto then claims that since he is the only real follower of God left in the Church today that it is only natural that he will be one of the two witless witnesses, Laura Weinland being the second. She is the second witless witness because she can't be the first one as women cannot rule over men.

Consider also that the Bible indicates that it is likely that the ‘Elijah’ will be one of the two witnesses. 
 
Since Herbert Armstrong was not a prophet, Elijah was a prophet (1 Kings 18:36), the Elijah to come is to be a prophet (Malachi 4:5), and the two witnesses will be prophets, Herbert W. Armstrong was not the Elijah to come.

Beto also made a video where he hilariously tried to prove he is Elijah. I won't link to the video here, but he did say this about it, and as usual, it is all about him. No Jesus stuff, but endless Beto stuff.

21st Century Elijah 

Was John the Baptist the prophesied Elijah or at least a type of Elijah? Is there an Elijah to come? Have Sabbatarians been teaching this a long time? What were 18 truths that Herbert W. Armstrong said God had him restore? Was anything to be restored in the last days, consistent with Daniel 12:4 and Matthew 17:11? Was God supposed to restore dreams and prophets in the last days? Did the Worldwide Church of God teach such would happen again? Have we seen signs of Acts 2:17-18 in the Continuing Church of God? Is Bob Thiel the final Elijah or one of the two witnesses? Why or why not? Has there been the restoration of important truths in the CCOG? Is the CCOG at least setting the foundation for the 21st century Elijah? Dr. Thiel gives information relating to all of that in this sermon.

Since 99.99 % of the Church of God ignores Beto, he lashes out and calls everyone Laodiceans because they refuse to acknowledge him as the greatest COG leader ever to exist. As Laodiceans, they are doomed to suffer in the tribulation because they refuse to see how great he is.

Sadly, just as many would not hear Elijah’s nor John the Baptist’s messages, relatively few will pay much attention to the end time Elijah as well. 
 
That is not a surprise as most Christians in the end times were to be Laodicean, and Jesus warned the Laodiceans since they would not ‘get with the program,’ that they would be punished (Revelation 3:14-18). 
 
Of course, if you are willing to believe the truth and do what the Bible teaches, that does not have to include you.

It is appalling that here we are close to 2023 and we are still being subjected to all of these self-appointed liars and false prophets in our midst. Never has the church seen so many liars claiming visions and dreams from their gods as we are now. New revelations flow daily from these narcissistic men and we are expected to believe them. 

I can state as 100% FACT that Bob Thiel is NOT Elijah and will NOT be one of the two witnesses. 

20 comments:

  1. Delusional!

    Elijah , no way. ELLIE MAY --- Perhaps!

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  2. I think the only logical way to solve this prophetic issue to is to have a cage-match with Dave Pack. ThunderDome rules: Two men enter, one man leaves.

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  3. The prophlet writes, if you do believe the truth and do what the Bible teaches...."

    Well, yutzmuffin, I do believe the truth and the Bible, and that, among many other reasons, is why I know you are NOT A PROPHET/WITNESS! You, oh tiniest of them all, are a proven liar. Shame on you for taking the Word of God in vain and teaching such blatant heresies to your <100 brain dead members. It is not going to end well for you. Hope you like really, really hot temperatures!

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  4. Of course Bob will have to contest this, but today is 13 ELUL, 5782. If there are indeed 6,000 years for man and 1,000 for God (which is an extrabiblical theory to start with), then HWA's death did not allow all this extra room for Beto Bob to ease on into the Elijah scene. There's another modifier! Like over 200 years until the end of man's era! So unless Bob's supplements include some good ol' Kosher Methuselah Juice, he'll be fertilizer like the rest of us way before the end comes into view.

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  5. Bob, please provide two exhibits: a video showing you eating locusts and wearing a girdle, and, a video showing fire, you know, the kind with smoke and is very hot, coming out of your mouth.

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  6. Deep down, Bob must know the truth, and it must burn him so badly that since HWA cheated him, it's now his turn to cheat 100-200 Caucasians and a few thousand Africans to whom he must send cargo to ensure their surface loyalty.

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  7. Bob, please provide... a video showing you... wearing a girdle

    PLEASE, NOT THIS! Although I suspect that such a video already exists.

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  8. Beto Bob is more like Fert-Elijah!

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  9. Jerusalem Syndrome

    PS: did Beto miss the chance to prophecy that the Queen would die this week..??

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  10. Anon 3:33:00 PM PDT

    Fert-Elijah……perfect replacement name for Rabbi Dr Amos, ‘one of the Two Witnesses’, Beto, prophet, world renown Biblical scholar and writer Bob Thiel.

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  11. Notice that the Elijah is to come just before the great and terrible day of the LORD.

    Actually, it does not say JUST before. It just says BEFORE. Big big difference. Maybe Peter was Elijah.

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  12. Deep down, Bob must know the truth ...

    Perhaps deep down, Bob has nothing there. Kind of like Dave Pack, who seems to be incapable of introspection, unless he is thinking about how great he is.

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  13. “Our very own self-appointed prophet to the Church of God has finally come out of the closet! Well, not THAT closet, but the Elijah closet.”


    Someone wants a fancy title that they do not deserve, and then another one, and then another one.... That is how it seems to start, and then continue.

    If Bob Thiel continues down this path, he could become totally satanic like Gerald Flurry and David Pack, though it is probably too late for Bob to deceive and rob as many former WCG people as Flurry and Pack have brutalized.

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  14. I thank thee that I am not as other men. Extortioners. Unjust. Publicans. I'm the ELIJAH!


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  15. Marc Cebrian... why drag Mr. Pack into this? He is a great man, far above Bob Thiel

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  16. "Marc Cebrian... why drag Mr. Pack into this? He is a great man, far above Bob Thiel"

    That's hilarious! Thiel and Pack are exactly alike. Both liars, both self-appointed, both channeling new revealed knowledge from some entity that speaks to them but makes some of the dumbest mistakes ever!

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  17. TC resurfaced as anonymous Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:56:00 PM PDT

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