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Thursday, September 29, 2022

Perpetually Butt-hurt COG Crackpot Prophet Claims Most COG's Are Too Stupid To Understand Prophecy And Signs Of The End Times


Never in the history of Christianity has the church been so blessed to have in its midst the most intelligent man to ever lead a Church of God. No one in the last 2,000 years understands the Bible better than the Almost-arrested, Perpetually-butt-hurt, Beto Bwana Bob Thiel.

Today the Great Bwana lashed out at the other Churches of God by telling them that they were too stupid to understand the Bible like he does. Only the Great Beto has true biblical knowledge.

The Churches of God are wrong on so many things just because Beto Bob says so and is so irritated that he has compiled a list of 50 things COG groups are too stupid to understand. Of course, it all boils down to one big glaring issue, the COG groups REFUSE to support Beto Bob and his sad little ministry.

Beto writes:

"One thing that I have noticed is that the Laodiceans, as well as those of the remnants of the Sardis Church, misunderstand many aspects of end time prophecy. 
 
"Most Laodiceans do not accept that God has been doing that in the 21st century."

Beto claims Herbert Armstrong wrote about  his emergence in the end times 

Those with at least a partial WCG background should consider that the late Pastor General of the old Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong, taught that Acts 2:17-18 had a future application in a 1981 sermon: 
 
Joel 2:28-29 And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 
 
So there is a time coming when God will start pouring out His spirit on human beings. ... Day of Pentecost, 3000 were baptized. Peter preached a sermon. They were pricked in their hearts.

God began to draw them. God was now ... Remember He said, “I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh.” All right, there’s a duality of that. (Armstrong HW. Building The Temple. Sermon, February 14, 1981) 
 
Herbert W. Armstrong said the time was coming when God would pour out His Spirit. There was a duality to what Peter preached in Acts 2 — and that duality is for the last days — our current time! His old correspondence department also taught that God would again use dreams. 
 
Yet, those of Sardis and Laodicea have discounted how God’s Spirit has been poured out in ways such as dreams as well as through a prophet.

HWA was no more predicting Bwana Bob than he would be in acknowledging Dave Pack as a real servant of God. HWA would have kicked Bob Thiel out so fast he wouldn't even have time to say "Ghastly days!"

Here is an abbreviated version of the 50 things Bwana Bob claims he is 100% accurate on and which the various COG's refuse to follow.

Here is an abbreviated list of misunderstandings in various claimed COG groups that I have personally denounced:

1)    Many COG groups (ICG, CGI, UCG, COGaIC, CG7-D, CGG, CEM, etc.) do not officially teach and/or do not believe in the idea of Church eras. Because of that they do not teach certain prophetic aspects of this, most do not see their own problems and will have to go through the Great Tribulation.

2)    Several COG groups do not believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom of God still needs to be preached to the world...hence do not have the real Philadelphian work.

3)    At least three groups misunderstand the Gospel and COG doctrines so much (PCG, CGPFK, and RCG) that I question if their top leaders are actually converted members of the COG. The leaders of those groups have had major predictions been proven to be false (CGPFK, PCG, and RCG).

4)    Many, if not most, COG groups do not realize that the Great Tribulation begins with the King of the North invading the USA, UK, and/or their Anglo-Saxon descended allies (Daniel 11:39).

5)    Many COG groups misunderstand the identity of the King of the South (Daniel 11:40-43), and some have the wrong prophetic sequence regarding the King of the South...those who hold to a differing view will not know when the Great Tribulation will begin until after it has started.

6)    Some (CEG, GCG-UK) teach that there is no biblically-required King of the South,

7)    Those who insist that the final King of the South must be Ethiopia will not possibly realize that the Great Tribulation will begin until it is too late 

8)    Several COG groups (like CGG, RCG, PCG, COGWA) clearly misunderstand Daniel 9:27...Those who misunderstand it will not have a proper pre- warning of what is happening nor likely know when the Great Tribulation will begin.

9)    Various COG groups (UCG, COGWA, COGaIC, RCG, and CGOM, come to immediate mind, but they are not the only ones) have so many areas of undefined prophecy that they will not know what certain events will mean.

10)    A couple of groups, such as CGPFK and TPM, have been repeatedly proven wrong about their dates for the start of the Great Tribulation and (like RCG) the return of Jesus Christ. Those who rely on teachers of those groups really do not understand biblical prophecy.

12)    Most COG groups fail to understand Habakkuk 2:2-8...Many do not realize that Habakkuk 2:2-8 is related to fleeing and the start of the Great Tribulation,

14)    Many COG groups have various ‘Elijah heresies’ (most CGI-derived groups as well as RCG come to mind). Because of this, they will not be able to recognize the final Elijah.   

24)    At least one COG group (CG7-D) basically teaches that most of the events of Revelation have already taken place and no one needs to be concerned about coming persecution as none supposedly is coming

29)    At least two groups teach that the ‘man of sin’ is (or could be) Joseph Tkach, Jr. (PCG, COG-FF). This absurd position also partially leads to many other misunderstandings.

30)    At least one group (RCG) has improperly declared Satan will enter a COG leader to make him the man of sin. (since this refers to Bob Thiel I can see why this upsets him) 

31)    A few teach that a massive Jewish temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt before Jesus returns

34)    None of the Laodicean or Sardis COGs seem to teach that the “strongest fortresses” in Daniel 11:39 refers to the USA — but it does.

38)    At least one group has publicly claimed that God has no prophets today and will not have any until the two witnesses are empowered. (in this same point the Great Bwaana makes this idiotic comment: Does anyone think God provided no possible warning related to the coronavirus which impacted the feeling of peace of the world more than almost anything since WWII? Yet, this author did in 2013 and 2014.)

43)    One group erroneously taught (PCG) that half of the Laodiceans would die before April 30, 2021.

47)    Many groups do not teach much about prophecy

48)    Nearly all COG groups and independents do not accept that God has been fulfilling prophecies. (The comple list of 50 can be found here in his online rag: Bible News Propehcy (sic)

The Great Bwana, the most misunderstood prophet in human history makes another asinine observation claiming that a COG minister told him that HWA would have agreed with some of his (Bwana Bob's) teachings. It just frosts Bob's sanctimonious butt that other COG's do not agree with him.

This being said, some will come up with their preferred rational as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only are they biblical, on most of those points, the old WCG taught what I believe that the Bible teaches on them (on the few that it did not, one is consistent with a November 1979 HWA writing and on the others, a former adviser to HWA told me that HWA would have agreed with me on those as well, as one HWA had not investigated and some others were not issues when he was alive — and, of course, the Bible, and not HWA’s opinion, is the standard). 

The bald-faced lies just keep getting deeper and deeper as Bwana Bob makes more allegations:

It should be noted that leaders while in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on pretty much all the above points.

It is an established fact that LCG never said any such things and numerous postings by LCG Ministers over the years prove that. 

All of the Churches of God have placed their lives in peril for failing to acknowledge Bwana Bob as the anointed Elijah to come:

There are also more prophetic differences that other COG groups have from the Bible. The reality is that without the right emphasis on the final phase of the work, holding the Bible in sufficiently high regard, practicing Philadelphian love, and ignoring one anointed like Elisha, the COG groups that ignore prophetic warnings are doing so to their peril.

Unless the Church of God groups repent and turn to the one true COG leader, their salvation is in peril and WILL NOT be protected in the tribulation. What a steaming pile of bullshit!

Without repentance, those who hold to certain of the listed errors will NOT be protected from the coming Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as they will not even know when it will begin until it has already started.

The current lies being promulgated by Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry are right on par with Bwana Bob's lies. No Christian needs to be following Beto Bob. Their salvation is not at risk if they refuse to follow and support him. They will have no condemnation for refusing to do so and will not be left out in the cold during some tribulation that is the figment of Bwana Bob's tortured mind. 



13 comments:

  1. Gary, I was waiting for your screed on Bob after going thru the 51 gripes myself and just finished writing the remarks below:

    Hi Bob: Please be advised the great tribulation will begin in April 66 AD when the Roman governor will confiscate 17 talents from the temple treasury. I’d advise you pack up and leave Judea in March 66 in your Yugo. The tribulation will unfortunately continue until the temple in Jerusalem is completely destroyed and many are killed. And then after that great tribulation, which won’t happen again, ending about 74 AD, after the siege of Masada by Roman troops, Gentiles will trod down the city and remain in it for, unbelievably, centuries. During this time false prophets will arise and take victims’ money, and famines, earthquakes, wars, rumors of wars, pestilence, real real bad weather will occur and false messiahs and apostles will do their thing, particularly taking their victims’ money by false tithing doctrines. It’s noted in one place as making merchandise of the brethren. It’s the tribulation that will be occurring when Christ returns.

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  2. Dave Pack has a bunch of years on Beto Bob. Unfortunately, Beto does not have the good sense to watch Dave in such a manner that he can know what happens to someone with delusions that they are a quasi-Biblical character as they age towards death and begin to realize that God hasn't picked them to be the big Kahuna that they thought they were. Such a person goes crazy!

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  3. Claiming prophetic insights is the same as saying "I have delusional tendencies with a touch of mental illness wrapped in a personality disorder."

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  4. Bobo makes all these claims and judgements on others.

    I have to ask, why do these "so called" issues about prophecy or obscure Bible passages matter much at all? If one is a Christian, and is trying with all his being to love God , love man, obey the commandments and being a good citizen, then all of this Bobo stuff are simply happenings that no one has any control over.

    "Knowing" doesnt mean a whole lot in this life. Doing does matter!

    Bobo creates a dust storm with lots of claims, prognostications, and ideas, that frankly have very little to do with day to day life. We all actually control very little in life, but that which we do have control of , let it be to the Glory of God. This goes for the various social movements of the day, whether right or left, political movements ad nauseam.

    It is all in effect no more real than FANTASY FOOTBALL ! Unfortunately, you got guys like Bobo, Flurry, Pack et al, all playing "Draft Kings Fantasy Church" and menageries that have no actual meaning in real life, but instead a weird form of escapism for those playing their silly games.

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  5. Once again, our littlest prophlet of possibly, makes yet another sermon about....,wait for it......HIMSELF! Shocker, I know.

    Bob, I have lost count of the number of times people here on Banned have offered very good advice about your so called ministry. How you could actually become a Christian and help people see the liberty in Jesus. I, myself, have done so numerous times, completely snark free. But you WILL NOT SEE. Your outrageous, disgusting arrogance stinks in the nostrils of God. You cannot help, for whatever reason, to STOP lying to yourself, your measly <100 members and anyone who will listen. You are not a prophet. God will pour out a portion of His Spirit ON ALL FLESH, not just your nasty little hind quarters. ALL. What about those 2 or 3 people in your group who claim to have had dreams about CCOG? According to your standards, that makes them prophets as well.

    You have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about and you will pay the ultimate price for it. So will anyone who has the misfortune to believe your filth. As I have said many times before, don't say you weren't warned. God have mercy on your soul, you pathetic little man.

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  6. These 50 claims parallel HWAs 30 or something "restored truths." These "truths" have no bearing on everyday life. This also portrays technical trivia as profound truth, which to everyday living, is no such thing. This blinds members to the fact that they are being fed spiritual milk rather than spiritual meat.
    It's only when a person reads a good self help book or internet articles on human behavior that this becomes apparent. Unfortunately many church members have never read such material, so are blind to this. It's like a dog or cat who has always been given dried food and has never eaten fish or meat.

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  7. Next to Bob Thiel’s 50 lies, Herbert’s 18 restored truths are pure bunk. He did not restore anything because nothing had been lost. Christina s have understood this for centuries. It is only Armstrongites, Mormons, Adventists and Witnesses, who do not understand this.

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  8. What differences Thiel from the other Armstrong groups, a doubly bigger ego and head with it’s attendant arrogance perhaps?
    He has nothing to offer.
    For those of us who have being inside of Armstrongism, he represents all that is wrong.
    Jesus said come to Me all who are burdened and you will find rest.
    A far cry from what Thiel can offer.
    Well done Banned for exposing this charlatan.

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  9. Bob did it again! He's claiming he predicted Russia's annexation of parts of the Ukraine.
    Hmm, is this based on revelation, or pure speculation?

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  10. WARNING:

    The continuation of verbal attack and condemnation of the Church of God or any group for that matter, is biblically unsound, sinful and destructive. I advise everyone who reads this site to check up on the information that is provided and research before concluding on any matter presented. The people who run this site are dead set on ruining the image of the Church of God. They are very bitter and hostile. It is very sad and I pray that they will have eyes that see someday. If you believe that God exists and hold to the Bible, if you believe God is a necessity for a meaningful and moral life, please heed me. Do not believe everything you read on this site. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Their track record is not good. They are biased, very opinionated and not always honest.

    This site and other bashing sites will long be forgotten in the millennial Kingdom of God. Before then we must endure brethren. Persecution will continue to grow and increase from those outside the church.

    May Jesus Christ and God the Father be with you and may we love our enemies.



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  11. If you are an ACOG member, then you are destructive! The ACOGs use the TGCOLs against each other instead of in harmony, realizing that they are in essence the same thing as Jesus intended. Unfortunately, they substitute Armstrongisn gnosticsim for love for God, and then proceed to use it to screw over and look down upon their fellow man.

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  12. Concluding post comments said:

    "...[[Bob Thiel's words: Without repentance, those who hold to certain of the listed errors will NOT be protected from the coming Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as they will not even know when it will begin until it has already started.]]

    The current lies being promulgated by Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry are right on par with Bwana Bob's lies. No Christian needs to be following Beto Bob. Their salvation is not at risk if they refuse to follow and support him. They will have no condemnation for refusing to do so and will not be left out in the cold during some tribulation that is the figment of Bwana Bob's tortured mind..."
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    When will Bob Thiel repent of striving to teach Satan's counterfeits and his brand of Fear Religion in telling people their salvation is at risk?

    Isn't it God who grants/gives repentance?

    Bob thinks it is all on the head of SELF, and Bob's SELF (James 4:5) is very similar to the SELVES of Flurry and Pack and Winnail and Weinland and Franks and Kubik and Coulter and Shabi and...many others.

    If God, the Father, the God of the Old Testament ( and not some "another Jesus" or even the Jesus of the Bible (Acts 3:13) does not draw, drag one and grant repentance, then it ain't happening. If God does drag (John 6:44), then be in the completion of the first resurrection! Salvation: done deal.

    If not? Then God resurrects one into the 2nd resurrection (no need for Satan's counterfeit third resurrection), calls "the rest" then, pours out His Spirit upon them and salvation? Done deal (John 12:32; John 3:16-17, etc.)!

    So, when will Bob Thiel (including fleeing hirelings of the former WCG) repent of striving to continue to teach Satan's counterfeits of salvation and his brand of Fear Religion in telling people their salvation is at risk? And finally teach one to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ with all glory praise honor and thanks to God, the Father, and not to SELF?

    Time will tell...


    John

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  13. Anon, Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:20:00 PM PDT, wrote:

    "...WARNING:

    The continuation of verbal attack and condemnation of the Church of God or any group for that matter, is biblically unsound, sinful and destructive. I advise everyone who reads this site to check up on the information that is provided and research before concluding on any matter presented. The people who run this site are dead set on ruining the image of the Church of God. They are very bitter and hostile. It is very sad and I pray that they will have eyes that see someday. If you believe that God exists and hold to the Bible, if you believe God is a necessity for a meaningful and moral life, please heed me. Do not believe everything you read on this site. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Their track record is not good. They are biased, very opinionated and not always honest.

    This site and other bashing sites will long be forgotten in the millennial Kingdom of God. Before then we must endure brethren. Persecution will continue to grow and increase from those outside the church.

    May Jesus Christ and God the Father be with you and may we love our enemies.
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    Who is doing the condemnation?

    You advised us to: "...Do not believe everything you read on this site. Take everything you read with a grain of salt..."

    Well, you also wrote on this site the following: "...This site and other bashing sites will long be forgotten in the millennial Kingdom of God..."

    I guess, we better not believe what you wrote, then?

    Millennial Kingdom of God? Where did you get that? What is so millennial about some Kingdom of God after 1,000 years when Satan exits the pit and again causes worldwide war and deceives all inhabitants on earth? Will that God be sleeping? Why was that all allowed to happen...even destroying portions of Jerusalem and causing great pain for its peoples?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to establish the Kingdom of God on earth after all God's enemies are subdued?

    What do you think about Jesus' verbal attacks where He used such language as: hypocrites, blind guides, like whited sepulchers, serpents, vipers, etc.?

    Was Jesus Christ being: "...biblically unsound, sinful and destructive?"

    There is no condemnation from me/others when we say things like God's Plan is to save all mankind, and subsequently destroy Satan and his angels, forever after the second resurrection occurs and God's Kingdom is established on earth with everlasting peace, etc....and yes, wars, tribulation, pain etc. will cease forever then!

    But to think all of that is going to happen so much earlier like during some Mickey Mouse Millennium (of Thiel, Winnail, Pack, Flurry, Franks, Kubik, Shabi, etc.) with "another Jesus" reigning 1,000 years on earth? Another gospel? Another spirit?

    Time will tell...


    John

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