Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders

Monday, June 12, 2023

Crackpot Prophet Now Offering Financial Tips: "Your wages, your salary, your profit, your income BELONGS TO GOD, not to you."


God must have had a really sick sense of humor when he imagined up our Great Bwana to Africa and 100 Caucaisans as He was creating the foundations of the world. On the other hand, He may have known that in these perilous end times that we might need a little humor to brighten our day, and thus we have Bwana Bob at our disposal.

As was mentioned the other day, he apparently does not have the ability to come up with an original thought in spite of all those PhDs, classes at Ambassador and Fuller, and online courses from that great theological university in India with its extensive library housed in a trailer. But, again these are perilous times and we have to be gentle on the Great Bwana as the burdens he carries are enormous as he witnesses to the world his great theological understandings.

This all leads us to today as he triples down on tithing commands he imagines are still required. But as usual, he has to drag out the dead Herbert to reinforce his theories. The Great Bwana has to quote from a 1959 article that Herbert wrote in Ending Your Financial Worries.

Given all of the recent documentaries exposing various cults recently and how they demand and manipulate their followers into handing over their money, this is a prime example of the cultism that we were conned with.

The Great Bwana writes (always in a state of fear):

2022 has been a difficult financial year for many around the world. Food and gas prices have been rising. Some are warning about recession and some about stagflation. 
 
The stock markets around the world are jittery. Many around the world are concerned about international matters, including what will happen with the USA because of its coming elections. 
 
The USA has the most debt any nation in world history has ever had–and it keeps going up. The per-capita debt of those in the UK are among the highest of all time. The Eurozone has struggles between members, plus its own debt issues. 
 
Those in Asia and South America have seen their economic standards of living generally rise over the past decades, but great apprehension exists. There have been gains and losses in some parts of Africa and the Middle East.

Then the Great Bwana goes on to quote the dead Herbert. Here are a few of Herbert's delightful words:

"People say: “What I earn is MINE — I can do what I please with it!” 
 
But is the money you earn really your own? Don’t be too sure. Notice these FACTS about your income you probably haven’t known! 
 
What you earn is not yours! 
 
The man who says, “What I do with the money I earn with my own labor is nobody’s business — I produced it — it belongs to me,” is mistaken. 
 
What you earn, by work performed or investments made is not yours — not any of it"

Then this: 

But the first claim is GOD’S claim. You probably never realized this fact before — but it is a fact. God Almighty the living CREATOR-RULER of the universe claims it all — every dollar — every pound — every franc — every mark. Your Maker who gives you the very air you breathe tells you it all belongs to Him, not to you!

And this: 

But didn’t you earn it? Didn’t YOU produce it? 
 
Not exactly! Everything produced — money, and all that money can buy — comes out of the earth. You didn’t produce that! God created that. You merely applied certain energy in physical action and in thinking to what God had created and owned. And God created even that energy you expended — He created your thinking processes. He not only created, originally, but He sustains what He created, including all force and energy.

And this: 

God Almighty says, in His written Word: “The earth is the Eternal’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For He hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods” (Psalm 24:1-2). These inspired words are repeated in I Corinthians 10:26. 
 
“Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is MINE,” claims God (Job 41:11). 
 
“Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the ETERNAL’S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is” (Deut. 10:14). “All the earth is MINE” (Ex. 19:5). 
 
And this:

However, God is a God of love. He knows your need. God is concerned about you. He is not selfish. He has your interest and welfare in mind. Therefore God has made A LAW respecting that portion of HIS WEALTH which your thinking, and your labor has extracted and worked upon. 
 
Get this fixed thoroughly in your mind. Your wages, your salary, your profit, your income BELONGS TO GOD, not to you. Probably you never realized this before. This may seem like a new idea to you. But it is not an idea — it is a fact. 
 
Therefore GOD HAS A RIGHT to take, or dispose of what you regard as your income AS HE WILLS. He OWNS it. It is not yours, it is HIS! 
 
So God, the rightful OWNER of your income, has MADE A LAW respecting its disposal and its use. By virtue of being Creator and Sustainer of the earth and all in it, God is supreme RULER and LAWGIVER.

Then this: 

The farmer or gardener may plant seed, plow, and expend his labor in raising food. But WHO supplied the SOIL? WHO created the living process that makes the seed sprout and grow? Who sends the rain, or provides water for irrigation? Who set the sun in the sky and causes it to shine and warm the earth? Who causes the plant to drink out of the soil the minerals, vitamins, and good elements, and to grow into the vegetable, the grain, or the fruit? Did YOU perform this part of the business of raising the food you eat? 
 
When we sit down and really THINK, we shall see that God supplies about NINE parts of everything man makes or produces, and man’s thinking, planning, and working supplies only about ONE part. But God does not take nine tenths of the proceeds, or the income. He doesn’t take even eight tenths, or seven, or even three or two tenths. God is GENEROUS. God has reserved for HIS use only one little tiny tenth of what is produced out of His earth through His forces and energies! 
 
God takes only ONE tenth. And after you have been honest in PAYING God’s tenth to God’s chosen representative, then — AND NOT UNTIL THEN — God has decreed that the other NINE tenths becomes legally YOURS!

There are two things that Herbert's old covenant tithing demands did. It financially ruined untold members lives and it kept the fat cats living lives of luxury as their members suffered.

You can see through Herbert's reliance on Old Covenant teachings why there was a need for a New Covenant understanding. The New Covenant was to be an earthly foretaste of the kingdom to come where worship was freely done - not enforced, demanded, or expected. Looking towards sitting at the heavenly banquet is far better than sitting at an empty table while your church leader dines off Imperial Russian china, eats with gold utensils, and fills his delicate crystal with Louis XIII Cognac. 




36 comments:

  1. Bob agrees with Barack Obama. "You didn't build that!"

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  2. Herb eventually taught that brethren living in the socialist nations of northern Europe didn't need to pay third tithe.

    That's right! "Three tithes" wasn't the principle; the real principle was "HWA gets to decide how you tithe."

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  3. It's MR. Armstrong, you cretin!

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  4. Still want to read the tithing law before Moses. Where is it?

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  5. What did Obama build? Nothing.

    What good is anything Bob does with YOUR money? No good.

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  6. So they are supposed to give money to "God's representative.". Here comes the sell of a false prophet or leader.

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  7. Sad thing is , close to 50% of CCOG income goes to Ruthless African Thugs that pretend to be Ministers of God, instead they're Satan's Minions sacrificing Thier Blood to Demons ,and Whoring after Women and using Faithful tithe payers Money for Thier Carnal Lusts of Major Za Banga) The Jig is Up for the Big Open Door to Bwana Ochieng Kingdom of Satana. Cry Aloud Spare not... Terry A. Nelson

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  8. Holy Spirit is our representative on earth.
    Not Bob. He is so confused and arrogant.
    This is what Armstrongism
    does - replaces Holy Spirit with a human. It is like Jesus never came here.
    This is like the Catholic Church and the Pope.
    This is why I call them "The Twins."

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  9. What the hell is wrong with Bob's eyes? Does he have a lazy eye? His left eye does not look straight forward like the other one. Makes him even more creepier. Malevolent spirits, maybe?

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  10. He says, "Your income belongs to God." Since he is not God and has replaced himself as God, Bob is saying, "Your money belongs to me!"
    Thanks, Holy Spirit, for that comment.

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  11. Bob kicked God out.
    That's what Baal does.

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  12. Baal is looking through Bob's eyes at you.

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  13. There are a whole lot of people who will agree with what Bob has set forth about God owning everything, and about tithing. HWA wrote their dna code on that decades ago. They will adamantly disagree that Bob qualifies in any way to be the recipient. Existing Armstrongites are committed to single-sourcing on their tithing and offering activities.

    Better brush up on your presentation skills, Bob. Your work will only grow by adding newbies, not by poaching!

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  14. Even David Koresh had more Caucasian followers than Bob Thiel. Little Bobby is a nobody, and that's the one thing he simply can't stand being.

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    1. Ah, so we measure effectiveness by Caucasity now huh?

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  15. “Crackpot Prophet Now Offering Financial Tips: 'Your wages, your salary, your profit, your income BELONGS TO GOD, not to you.'”

    Your wages, your salary, your profit, your income belongs to GOD and to YOU, NOT to lying, thieving, FALSE PROPHETS like Gerald Flurry, David Pack, Ronald Weinland, and Bob Thiel.

    Do NOT allow lying, thieving, FALSE PROPHETS like Gerald Flurry, David Pack, Ronald Weinland, and Bob Thiel to be the START OF YOUR FINANCIAL WORRIES.

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  16. Real prophets don't have to bleed their church attendees to buy expensive presents to get the attention of world leaders. World leaders would be knocking on their doors because of their accuracy.

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  17. Remember boys and girls each of the other nine of the tenths are bigger than the only ""one little tiny tenth""......

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  18. Okay Bobby, you win.

    What is God's address to send money too? I know it's not in California.

    Since God owns everything, then he already owns all my "stuff and money" etc. Why all this need for Bobby type of middlemen?

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  19. The COG formula is 1. Observe how bad the world is.

    2. Fear how bad the world is.

    3. Make them wonder "what's going to happen to me?"

    4. Tell them there is nothing to fear about how bad the world.

    5. Inform them not many mighty, noble or intelligent real chosen true Christians are called but they qualify.

    6. Goad them into Baptism as the solution to how deceitful their minds are and desperately wicked they are.

    7. Off their one true version of the Church and obedience to God's Laws as the ticket to becoming Kings, Priests and perhaps even gods.

    8. Now...Send it in!

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  20. Bwana Bob: God's new Rep on planet earth

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  21. "..in these end times, God chose a polydegreed polymath to lead his work, a man empowered to see the future, a white man, naturally.."

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  22. the other NINE tenths becomes legally YOURS!

    Well, until you tell me I'm cheating on God by not saving second tithe for the Feasts. That money is only "mine" for a couple of weeks a year (depending on interpretation).

    I'll leave the third tithe analysis to someone else.

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  23. This is his second screed on tithing in as many days. I smell blood in the water.

    The more highly charged mandates coming from Grover Beach, the greater the fear in him that it is all slipping away, like sand through his teeny, tiny doubly blessed toes!

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  24. The Bible talks about debt a lot being really bad.
    The Dave Ramsey Financial Peace Class teaches people to cut up all their credit cards with a scissors and write to that company to close the account. They have a common sense plan to get out of debt and stay out of debt. Do not file bankruptcy. Very dishonorable.
    Contrast that with Armstrongism intentionally createing poverty. Ministers encourage people to go into debt.
    If that is not evil enough already, they tell you not to pay it back. They steal at the way over priced feasts too on the way in & before you leave. So evil. No fear of God.

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  25. Bob Thiel says we ought to believe his words where he wrote: "...Get this fixed thoroughly in your mind. Your wages, your salary, your profit, your income BELONGS TO GOD, not to you. Probably you never realized this before. This may seem like a new idea to you. But it is not an idea — it is a fact..."
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    Bob, regarding "your wages," did you forget the following verse?

    "For the wages of sin [is] death;..." Romans 6:23



    Are you, Bob Thiel, telling us that your wages BELONGS TO GOD??????????

    Since when? Where did you get that erroneous thought?

    It's a fact that your wages belong to you. Wages for what? For breaking God's law, for the sin(s) that have occurred and continue to occur in your life!

    Weren't we all taught the LSD cog formula?

    Breaking of God's Law leads to Sin and ends up with Death: LSD!

    Why should those wages for sin, for breaking God's law, BELONG TO GOD?

    It's ridiculous, a ridiculous thought.

    What is the proof that your wages belong to you, and do not belong to God?

    Death, your death. It's already been appointed that human beings die once. Your wages belong to you, and yes, I too have the same wages. Death for both of us in the future. Those are the FACTS!

    Bob you have the same wages as that of Doug Winnail, Weston, Shabi, Franks, Flurry, Weinland, yes even David Pack, along with all of the other hirelings who fled the former WCG. The uncaring hirelings continue to increase their wages, but a day is coming when they will appreciate that they all died once, and not twice, or had more penalities/curses attached to their wages...and there is no 3rd resurrection needed...

    How do we know? Time will tell...


    John

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  26. Dave Ramsey has a few good ideas, but his supporters often treat his principles like a cult.

    Ramsey teaches tithing, which is bad fiscal advice but ensures that many churches will partner with Ramsey and host programs that make money for both the church and Ramsey.

    Ramsey makes most of his money from selling his mailing list to people who seek to prey on people in desperate financial straits, and from the payments financial advisors give him to be put on his list of "recommended" financial advisors. When you listen to him, be sure to remember that his main priority it to improve HIS financial standing, not yours.

    For people who can handle credit cards responsibly, it is MUCH smarter to keep your credit cards and pay the balance off in full each month. This will build your credit rating, which will get you a much better deal if at some point you need to finance the purchase of an expensive item like a house or car. Ramsey just wants you to cut up your credit cards and not care that your credit rating plummets as a result.

    Again, Ramsey has a few good ideas, but many of his ideas are either self-serving or unhelpful to you the debtor. For instance, he wants you to pay off your smallest debt first, to get the adrenaline hit of paying off a debt... but in the long run you will be much better off if you first pay off your highest-interest debts, which may at first take longer but which will happen faster overall because you're getting rid of high interest charges.

    Following Ramsey's principles is smarter than buying yourself into deeper and deeper debt. But you can get out of debt a lot faster and better if you listen to better advice than what Ramsey gives.

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    1. Dave Ramsey says to pay off your smallest debts first because we need to have rewards in there. Then you take what you would have been paying on the first credit card and add it to the second turning into a snowball effect. I took the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace Class. It works great.
      It got me out of debt. I will have a nice retirement and inheritance.
      The snowball works great! Since I am out of debt, I have more tithes and offerings as well as helping my community.
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  27. Yeah, Ramsey is just another talking head. His shelf life has been ticking away for several years now. Someone newer and neater always eventually comes along.

    While I personally do pay off my credit cards every month, I believe he is correct in counseling some to cut them up or shred them. There are some shop-a-holics who are addicted to credit card spending, and must abstain, just as alcoholics, drug addicts, and gambling addicts must abstain. I've known people who went through bankruptcies because they'd max out one card, and get another.

    I would most definitely counsel members of certain ACOGs to shred their credit cards, simply because their greedy leaders would no longer be able to hit on them to charge offerings on their cards.

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  28. I did not take the Dave Ramsey class because of anything received in the mail. I never received any mail or brochure or anything promoting Dave Ramsey.
    It was through word of mouth from people who took the financial class & told me their story. You made a sweeping generalization that is s false.

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  29. Dave Ramsey's steps turned my financial picture completely around within 2 years. I wish I had heard of his Financial Peace Class 10 years earlier. I could have retired 5 years earlier. It will definitely save marriages. All my adult children have taken it & their spouses. All biblical principles.

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  30. Bob is experiencing "calamities" due to the fact that he has been teaching things to his followers that are not found in scripture. He was warned by a COG member that calamities would befall him for teaching false doctrine such as: 1) that the Azazel goat is symbolic of Satan, which it is not, Lev 16:5 makes it clear that "both goats are a SIN OFFERING", and that both goats were without "blemish" when lots were cast to determine the one that would represent the Azazel. This indicates clearly that the Azazel goat also symbolizes Christ as does the first goat, as there is no indication that there has to be a contrast between the two or that one is Christ and the other Satan. It was a big mistake for WCG/HWA to go to "the book of Enoch" and other extra-biblical sources for teaching that doctrine. Also there is no indication that Satan is bound on Atonement, he will be bound, the book of Revelation makes that clear, but nowhere does it state that this occurs on that Holy day. Scripture makes abundantly clear that Satan can never be symbolic of an "offering", nor can he be a symbol of any animal that is without blemish which only Christ can represent. He also continues to teach the incorrect "Received Prophetic Narrative"-(RPN) that the RCC is the "Great Whore" which they are not, God only uses that term (whore) for the House of Israel and Judah in scripture, because they had the truth and left it (Apostasy), it is shown in scripture that both of these nations rebelled against God and chose to commit sins that were worse than the nations around them, similar to what the Modern day descendants are doing today. The RCC may be an abomination before God due to their Idolatry, but that does not mean they represent that symbol. The same holds true for the EU/Germany being the "Assyrian" and the "King of the North". Germany is in the depths of a massive financial and industrial meltdown, financially due to the fact that when they chose to go to negative interest rates, they created a situation that they can not recover from, once there was a "no bid" for their bonds the EU market was done for. They also have gone the way of NAFTA (The 10th and final union of 10 Unions/kingdoms that the Club of Rome chartered back in 1974) letting in millions of illegals, (in their case Muslims) who will one day instigate a "Jihad" or civil war in the EU, from which they will be engrossed in having no ability to attack the USA in any way possible.The EU is just one of those 10 unions, and will most likely become divided soon into those who side with Russia/China when they attack the USA and those who side with the USA/UK because they are Israelite nations. The indication in Daniel also shows that the King of the North has "many ships" and as several commentaries and bible versions show, whoever this king is at the end time, will have the most powerful navy on earth, as it stands now and won't change for decades, that is the USA.

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  31. Pt 2 - Anyone with a military background and understanding of military logistics, and has a Gov't clearance getting OPSEC briefs knows, that for the last 5 yrs the DoD has put out threat assessment reports and every single time it has been Russia/China that pose any kind of threat to the USA, the EU in nowhere on the horizon.Those who are tracking Geo-politics and military strength in real time knows that it is the USA who has the most powerful navy on earth and the Ohio class/Virginia class Nuclear subs and Super-carriers prove it, no other nation comes close, not even China with their vast build up of navy ships in the last 5 yrs is even near that ability. One last thing to acknowledge is that in Daniel 7 when it speaks of the Beast of Iron, God tells us "PLAINLY" that there are FOUR world ruling empires to come, NOT FIVE! He names the first three (Babylon, Medio-Persia and Greece, after Greece is the "Anti-Christ" kingdom at the end time, Rome is NEVER mentioned and does not figure into end time prophecy, it goes straight to the Anti-Christ end time kingdom which most likely did not start until the advent of Nuclear technology in the 1940s, which is when mankind obtained the ability to erase all life on earth.

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