This is the Great Bwana to Africa Bob Mzungu Thiel, the highest of all Church of God leaders in human history. The biggest and best "profit" the Church of God has had walking in its midst. This is the same dude that proclaims he is the one and only COG leader preaching the truth originally restored by Herbert Armstrong. Not by Jesus, mind you, but Herb.
Here he is pitching the overpriced supplements that he calls "food", plus he has covered up all of his books of the crap theology he preaches. Instead of a big fat Bible thrust in our faces, it's a bottle of "food".
From a reader.
PS: In case you thought his religious videos were bad, he is not any better at selling his products. This is rather pathetic. Hat tip, Ronco
please spell prophet
ReplyDeletePun, 8:05.
DeleteBack by popular demand, my favorite Dr Bob clip- Simply Liver.
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It is spelled exactly the way I wanted it spelled.
ReplyDeleteBob will never be accused of being a slick salesman. Typical of a naturopath, anecdotal tales can be wrongly assigned meaning they don't have. Of course, "this may not work for everyone" takes care of that.
ReplyDeleteLike religion, the vitamin supplement industry is unregulated by the government. You might not be getting what is printed on the label of these supplements. Most "proofs" of the effectiveness of these supplements are based on testimonials and not on sound scientific research. Anyone who promotes supplements and other such products, can't be trusted for their theology.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe you can just eat liver. I love liver & onions. I don't see how it can help my liver by itself though. A proper diet is probably all anyone needs.
ReplyDeleteOk, Thiel , I will buy your liver tablets...
ReplyDeleteHowever, only if they are LIVER and ONION tablets combined!
Buying his stuff is no better than buying stuff from alex jones.
DeleteLike religion, the vitamin supplement industry is unregulated by the government.
ReplyDeleteThis is good, since the government is a puppet of the pharmaceutical industry. As shady as Theil is, I trust him more than I trust the government.
Is there anything this fool can do well? Vitamins and supplements..,,nope. Armstrongism....nope. Christianity....not even on the same planet, so nope.
ReplyDeleteBob, get a real job. Maybe door to door vitamin/Bible salesman? At least both hands would be occupied instead of flapping. Or, you could actually take Christianity seriously and devote what time remains in your life to studying it. Jesus doesn't need salesmen. Just people humble enough to let Him reign in their hearts. What am I saying?!?! I forgot...humility, like Christianity, is unknown to you and as such, is not exactly your strong suit.
Bob has a PhD and he is a specialist so he is an extremely smart man and understands what he is doing.
ReplyDeleteHaving a PhD doesn't mean you can accept what he says. Dr. Linus Pauling was awarded two Nobel Prizes. His research, which he claimed showed that Vitamin C can prevent or cure the common cold and some forms of cancer, proved to be flawed. His PhD and Nobel Prize was in Chemistry, not medicine. So don't accept everything someone with a title (Rev. Dr.), or a degree (PhD. etc.) says without peer review and replication of research by others.
ReplyDeleteHWA, Jim Jones, etc. never allowed their research to be peer reviewed or questioned. Their "research" was flawed, and their conclusions were in error.
Anon @ 1:51. Hi Bob! Do tell us, in what do you specialize? You being such a wise and extremely smart man sure could teach us vitamin virgins a thing or two. So, please enlighten us, oh doubly blessed diploma mill PhD.
ReplyDeleteThe phrases "smart man" and "knows what he is doing" are completely separate conditions and do not automatically go together.
ReplyDeleteThis may surprise you, but there are professionals, such as doctors, lawyers, and accountants who carried "C" averages in college or university. There are also institutes of higher learning whose degrees are deemed as having much greater value, and often indicate greater brilliance. A doctorate from an Ivy League university, as an example, is of far more value than a degree from Ambassador College. A two year degree from community college is worth more than a PhD from some diploma mill.
So I guess I misunderstood one of those Church of God "mandates."
ReplyDeleteIs was NOT "simplify your life."
It was... well... what he said.
To be fair: supplement sales made Alex Jones a surprising pile of money. And his ideas are WAY out, compared to Dr. Thiel's.
But wow - he needs to hire the TV news consultant COGWA hired. ASAP.
Actually, only a fool eats liver. The liver is the blood's filter. Any and all toxins which are not expelled from the animal's body are retained by the liver itself. These include antibiotics and pesticides common to modern farming practices, and in some cases hormones. The tablets might be the best way to go, assuming that these toxins are edited out by the processing processes. There are other foods rich in nutrients which should be limited or not be eaten, such as tuna fish which all contains mercury, or kidneys which prepare liquids for the urinary function.
ReplyDeleteAnyone basing their dietary habits on old Good News articles from the '60s, which may have entered your family culture through your parents or grandparents, needs to do a serious update.
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In classical Armstrongism, there was an inconsistency in the treatment of health issues. This inconsistency may yet exist in the derivative splinter denominations. I am not familiar with the current stance these organizations have concerning medical care. My guess is that they have diverse views.
ReplyDeleteA couple of incidents to give you a flavor of how it used to be. Back in the early years of my membership in the WCG, medicine was looked upon as something evil. I was majoring in pharmacy in college and was advised by the Pasadena Letter Answering Department that pharmacy was like sorcery and a Christian should not be a pharmacist. I dropped the major. I knew of a student at AC who refused to have an appendectomy and almost died. After much suffering, the infected appendix actually caused a perforation in his skin and drained, saving his life. He was regarded as a great hero of faith for refusing a minor but life-saving traditional medical procedure. And I must say that he was, in fact, being true to what he had been taught even unto the giving of his life.
The inconsistency in the Armstrongism of that day is this: resorting to traditional medicine was regarded as faithless but taking vitamins, supplements and using odd dietary practices was regarded as faithful. For example, taking a high dose vitamin C tablet is regarded as faithful but taking an antibiotic is faithless. But both are procedures that involve resorting to something other than the healing power of God. And if one wants to claim a criterion of naturalness, the antibiotic could be more “natural” than the high dose vitamin C. The industrially created high dose vitamin C occurs nowhere in nature. You would have to unnaturally eat a bushel of oranges to get the effect of the high dose vitamin C. Whereas, the antibiotic might be a natural product of a mold – even the type of mold that you might consume on cheese. Regarding the principle of faith in God’s healing power and only God’s healing power with no other agencies, both “natural” supplements and medications fall into the same class. The user is looking to something other than God’s intervention for healing in this model of faith.
It would be interesting to know what model of faith this preacher adheres to. Is there an internal inconsistency in what he advocates just as there was in classical Armstrongism?
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Yes, back in the day, Gene Scarborough had his "Granny's Pantry", a health food store, in Pasadena, but Gene actually was an elder and did not have the intellectual vanity or delusions of being a prophet which Bob has. Natural foods and vitamin supplements were considered to be very much a part of the WCG culture in those days. I recall that shortly after my parents bought into the Armstrong scam, we made our first trip from the suburbs into the city to get whole grain cereals and natural, unrefined sugar. Somewhere along the line, the dreaded teaspoonfull of cod liver oil entered our lives during the winter cold season. Yuck!
ReplyDeleteI believe that in those days, Bob Thiel would never have been allowed to be publishing his views where brethren could read them, although we did not have the internet back then. It would have been considered presumptuous. The problem is that Rod Meredith actually pandered to Bob in a way that HWA would never have done. Bob's problem festered and was allowed to rise to critical mass, and here we are today with his third rate cartoon-caricature of an ACOG running amuck and providing daily entertainment similar to a disruptive adolescent in the classroom.
Freedoms must be used in responsible and constructive ways, as we use them here, which is why I am so grateful for the internet. Others use it to spread all manner of crap in their ego driven projects that ruin peoples' lives. You can always recognize a vanity project when the perp gives himself a Biblical title, especially when he complains that nobody accepts him in that role.
He starts off with "This is doctor Robert Thiel." In European countries the title of doctor is typically publically bestowed only on medical doctors. In America it's more of a mixed bag with the title of doctor in non medically fields usually reserved for class rooms or similar.
ReplyDeleteBob starting with the title doctor while holding a "medicine" implies that he is a medical doctor. This is religious type guile.
Bob should study Dave Packs smooth speaking style versus his own jerky speaking. Practice in the mirror Bob. Even Hitler did that.
Didn't the LCG "clarify" their position on healing? They didn't "clarify" they changed the teaching. They went from HWA's "no doctors, vaccinations (monkey pus) or medication (unless you are HWA) and no surgery (unless RCM need his retina reattached to "do whatever you want." The hypocrisy was staggering. Hypocrisy, ignorance and arrogance were the hallmarks of the WCG.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the WCGs position of no doctors or medicines was monolithic. Different ministers gave different advice on this matter. I think many ministers knew that the church position was wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn Mark 2:17 Christ stated that "it's not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick." That hardly sounds like a condemnation of doctors.
The problem is that Rod Meredith actually pandered to Bob in a way that HWA would never have done.
ReplyDeleteAs soon as Rod learned that Bob had left Global to join LCG, he should have taken Bob aside and told him, "Now, Bob, if you are going to be ordained as an elder someday, you can't have a bunch of Internet crazies focusing their attention on you, so you need to take down your Cogwriter website." Hungry for ordination, Bob would have complied, even if the ordination never came.
Instead, one (maybe more) of Rod's kids gave him the idea that he could use Bob to attack other ACOGs without getting LCG's hands dirty. Let's be fair to Rod, who didn't know a damn thing about the Internet. He believed what his loved ones told him. And it came back to bite him in the butt.
10:51. "Instead, one (maybe more) of Rod's kids gave him the idea that he could use Bob to attack other ACOGs without getting LCG's hands dirty. Let's be fair to Rod, who didn't know a damn thing about the Internet. He believed what his loved ones told him. And it came back to bite him in the butt.'
ReplyDeleteSo we have Rod's kids to thank for this? What morons they were! Look at the terrible wasteland of disinformation they opened up on the world. Of. course, Roderick and the HQ staff that pandered to Bob's delusions are also guilty for this spiritual abuse fostered off on gullible Africans ad a few others. Thankfully LCG members ignored him en masse as did the rest of the COG movement.
After getting sick on halibut (at Squaw Valley FOT 1966; Garner Ted said later if I remember right many got sick on undercooked halibut at the commissary) and not feeling well after eating tuna years later I finally looked at arms length at the exterior skin of halibut and tuna. Looks like rubber more than scales. The Jews think halibut and tuna are kosher but I don't and no longer eat halibut and tuna. An article on unclean tunas and flatfishes is at scripturetruthministries.com.
ReplyDeleteWonderful to see brotherly love in action. (sarcasm) ACOG splinters all profess to practice the same basic package of doctrines, with minor differences introduced by their leaders as new truths, or further understanding. New truths give the appearance of growth. I never fully understood why HWA maligned his former mentors (COG7), and labeled them as "dead". I suppose that doing so provided the model for how ACOGs acknowledge one another. Frankly, I cobble all of them into a monolith, referring to all of them as being "the duped", but it seems like people of similar belief systems could accomplish more good while impacting the prevailing surrounding system by treating one another as brothers and sisters. It would also help if they extended this ecumenism to the Christian groups who happen to keep a different day as well.
ReplyDeleteBorrowing from a notable non-Christian, Confucius "He who slings mud loses ground."
I may be crazy, but was Thiel actually a better, more natural speaker 12 years ago? I’m not saying he was a good speaker, but definitely not the spastic, chaotic arm waving one we see today.
ReplyDeletehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4im7-VkXY
This could explain Boobs arm flailing. He’s taking a heavy dose of liver pills.
ReplyDelete10:51. "Instead, one (maybe more) of Rod's kids gave him the idea that he could use Bob to attack other ACOGs without getting LCG's hands dirty. Let's be fair to Rod, who didn't know a damn thing about the Internet. He believed what his loved ones told him. And it came back to bite him in the butt.'
ReplyDeleteWhat? Rod didn't need any cover for criticizing the other ACOGs. He did that himself, in abundance, especially during the mid-00s. He launched hate-filled sermon after hate-filled sermon and was consumed with telling LCG how bad all the other ACOGs and their leaders were. Below are dozens of scriptures that he willingly, deliberately violated, but he was so obsessed that he didn't care. No, Rod didn't need Bob to do his dirty work. He did it all by himself.
Romans 11:18 "do not boast against the branches."
John 21:21-22 "But Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."
James 4:10-11 "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up. Do not speak evil of one another, brethren."
Matt 24:49 " . . . and begins to beat his fellow servants . . . "
Romans 14:10 "But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."
Phil 2:3 "but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself."
Acts 5:38-39 "And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God."
Prov 27:2 "Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth"
Titus 3:2 ". . . speak evil of no one.
Romans 14:4 "Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Matthew 7:3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"
Matthew 7:12 "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
Romans 16:16-17 "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple."
Philippians 2:21 "For all seek their own, not the things which are of Christ Jesus."
1 Cor 3:12-13 "put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do."
Proverbs 15:33 "Humility goes before honor."
Eph 4:1-3 "walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
Galatians 5:14-15 "If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.”
1 Cor 1:29 "That no flesh should glory in His presence."
Eph 4:32 "be kind to one another, tenderhearted"
2 Corinthians 10:12 "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."
Proverbs 6:16,19 "These six things the LORD hates . . . one who sows discord among brethren."
Oh, Man! I just had Bob Thiel's true mystical identity revealed to me. You see, he is not a Biblical character such as a prophet at all! He is Prometheus! You all remember from your Greek mythology that Prometheus stole fire from Mount Olympus and brought it to mankind. Zeus became highly pissed, and sentenced Prometheus to be tied to a rock, and to have an eagle eat his liver every single day for all eternity! It would grow back overnight, only to be eaten once again the following day!
ReplyDeleteBob Thiel attempted to steal the fire of LCG, and has now been sentenced to a life of selling liver pills as opposed to using that fire as a catalyst to prophecy! Hail Dr. Prometheus C. Thiel! (As my Texas buddies might add, "Hail yes!")
And yet Leviticus 3:4, 15 tells us not to eat liver or kidneys, and we should avoid eating liver.
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