It has been a while since I have checked out the posts on Concretized Christianity They had this excellent piece up recently about how the Church of God has been so good at taking scripture out of context. They start off with a zinger about the "cheerful giver", which has been twisted by the COG to justify tithing and giving generously to the church. They demonstrate that it means nothing of the sort.
The other excellent point is the COG attitude that when everyone who is a true Christian becomes a king or priest in the kingdom they will be sitting around ruling over underlings doing all of the work as they revel in their new power and authority and do nothing to get their hands dirty.
I have long said that if the church really wanted to grow and practice what they claim about the kingdom then they would want to do all they can in this day and life to bring a foretaste of that to those around them by helping in disasters, the local food bank or kitchen, and doing good in their communities.
The COG groups are infamous for lifting scriptures out of context and applying them to a different narrative. If we’re so busy reading a group’s literature and listening to their online content that we don’t have time to sit down and study the word of God (the Bread of Life), we will not be able to tell when they do this and why it is wrong.
One example of this is something we hear on almost every holy day.
“But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:6-7) is often read before taking up an offering, as if it applies to giving money to a corporate organization. But, when you read the context in II Corinthians 8, it is really about collecting an offering for another congregation (in Jerusalem) in need.
So beyond the misuse of the scriptures for something it’s not talking about, let’s stop and consider whether we have ever had a request to help another congregation in need. Have you seen a collective effort for food, water, money, supplies, etc., for example, for a congregation in an area that has been devastated by a tornado, a wildfire, or a hurricane? Have volunteers from the COG congregations poured into those communities to help out?
The short answer is “No.” The corporate COG groups diss “so-call Christians” for many things, and yet these are the very people who respond in a tangible way after a disaster. Want to make disciples and preach the gospel? Live it by helping and serving others, especially when their worlds have been turned upside down.
In fact, is this any different than what we will be doing when Jesus establishes God’s kingdom on the earth? Humans who are still alive are going to be shell-shocked and they will need the most basic of their needs met. Food, water, shelter, clothing.
Someone thumping on a Bible and “preaching” at them won’t help them a bit. Someone helping provide those basic necessities will. In the process, they will see the fruit of God’s spirit on display: agape, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. That will make an impact, considering what they have just experienced, and that’s the first step.
One of the things that the COG groups imply is that we’ll have offices and ranks and we will sit on thrones and direct little underlings, but you and I won’t actually get in there and get our hands dirty laboring to help people. For me, that’s no better than the idea of going to heaven and playing a harp for eternity.
We’ll be a kingdom of priests to our God. What does that look like? We don’t have to look any further than our High Priest, Jesus. What did He do when He was on the earth? What does He do now?
He served and He serves. He didn’t go sit down and pontificate somewhere and ignore the needs of the people he encountered. He healed, he fed, he counseled. Most of his actual teaching was confined to his disciples (120 by the time we get to Acts 1). Now as our High Priest, He mediates, intercedes, and saves us. That’s work, my friends (at least in my case, it is!).
I recently heard a sermon about the life of Hezekiah. And I encountered another instance of lifting scripture out of context. The speaker actually said that the second part of II Kings 20 happened before the first part. I’ve never seen such an egregious act of completely twisting a narrative.
To summarize the story as the speaker told it, Hezekiah showed the Babylonian ambassadors everything in Jerusalem before he got sick, showing a lack of faith in God, but later down the road he got sick and humbled himself.
That’s not true. Period. The Babylonian ambassadors came to Hezekiah because they heard he had been sick!
Why did God give Hezekiah 15 more years of life when he was dying? I think II Chronicles 32:31 gives us an idea. It was a test and Hezekiah failed. Now, in II Chronicles 32, there is a second mention of Hezekiah humbling himself after he showed everything to the Babylonian ambassadors and God not letting the fall of Jerusalem happen during his lifetime.
But when you read the same account in II Kings 20, Hezekiah’s attitude seems less humble. He basically responds to God’s judgement with relief that it wouldn’t happen while he was alive and a total lack of concern that his children would experience it. Not exactly my idea of father of the year.
We cannot twist scripture and lift it out of context for our own meanings and interpretations. In a sense, this is no different from adding to scripture and taking away from scripture, against which God gives strict warnings twice.
We also need to know the word of God intimately so we know when other people are doing this. Otherwise, we’re ripe for deception, and there is more than enough of that already going around.
Let’s study the word of God instead of the words of man. One is absolute truth. The other is not. Concretized Christianity
Lifting Scriptures Out of Context
One example of this is something we hear on almost every holy day.
“But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:6-7) is often read before taking up an offering, as if it applies to giving money to a corporate organization. But, when you read the context in II Corinthians 8, it is really about collecting an offering for another congregation (in Jerusalem) in need.
So beyond the misuse of the scriptures for something it’s not talking about, let’s stop and consider whether we have ever had a request to help another congregation in need. Have you seen a collective effort for food, water, money, supplies, etc., for example, for a congregation in an area that has been devastated by a tornado, a wildfire, or a hurricane? Have volunteers from the COG congregations poured into those communities to help out?
The short answer is “No.” The corporate COG groups diss “so-call Christians” for many things, and yet these are the very people who respond in a tangible way after a disaster. Want to make disciples and preach the gospel? Live it by helping and serving others, especially when their worlds have been turned upside down.
In fact, is this any different than what we will be doing when Jesus establishes God’s kingdom on the earth? Humans who are still alive are going to be shell-shocked and they will need the most basic of their needs met. Food, water, shelter, clothing.
Someone thumping on a Bible and “preaching” at them won’t help them a bit. Someone helping provide those basic necessities will. In the process, they will see the fruit of God’s spirit on display: agape, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. That will make an impact, considering what they have just experienced, and that’s the first step.
One of the things that the COG groups imply is that we’ll have offices and ranks and we will sit on thrones and direct little underlings, but you and I won’t actually get in there and get our hands dirty laboring to help people. For me, that’s no better than the idea of going to heaven and playing a harp for eternity.
We’ll be a kingdom of priests to our God. What does that look like? We don’t have to look any further than our High Priest, Jesus. What did He do when He was on the earth? What does He do now?
He served and He serves. He didn’t go sit down and pontificate somewhere and ignore the needs of the people he encountered. He healed, he fed, he counseled. Most of his actual teaching was confined to his disciples (120 by the time we get to Acts 1). Now as our High Priest, He mediates, intercedes, and saves us. That’s work, my friends (at least in my case, it is!).
I recently heard a sermon about the life of Hezekiah. And I encountered another instance of lifting scripture out of context. The speaker actually said that the second part of II Kings 20 happened before the first part. I’ve never seen such an egregious act of completely twisting a narrative.
To summarize the story as the speaker told it, Hezekiah showed the Babylonian ambassadors everything in Jerusalem before he got sick, showing a lack of faith in God, but later down the road he got sick and humbled himself.
That’s not true. Period. The Babylonian ambassadors came to Hezekiah because they heard he had been sick!
Why did God give Hezekiah 15 more years of life when he was dying? I think II Chronicles 32:31 gives us an idea. It was a test and Hezekiah failed. Now, in II Chronicles 32, there is a second mention of Hezekiah humbling himself after he showed everything to the Babylonian ambassadors and God not letting the fall of Jerusalem happen during his lifetime.
But when you read the same account in II Kings 20, Hezekiah’s attitude seems less humble. He basically responds to God’s judgement with relief that it wouldn’t happen while he was alive and a total lack of concern that his children would experience it. Not exactly my idea of father of the year.
We cannot twist scripture and lift it out of context for our own meanings and interpretations. In a sense, this is no different from adding to scripture and taking away from scripture, against which God gives strict warnings twice.
We also need to know the word of God intimately so we know when other people are doing this. Otherwise, we’re ripe for deception, and there is more than enough of that already going around.
Let’s study the word of God instead of the words of man. One is absolute truth. The other is not. Concretized Christianity
EXCELLENT!! VERY WELL SAID!!
ReplyDelete'The Grand COG Tradition Of Taking Scripture Out Of Context'
ReplyDeletePerfectly sums up British Israelism.
The reality is many 'ministers' within the Armstrong movement are biblical lightweights.
And will wilt and melt under a little scrutiny.
Excellent posting! I am glad to see them mentioned again here.
ReplyDeleteA TV station at a Feast of Tabernacles site I attended had a one-day food drive several years ago. I approached the Feast Coordinator to see if it could be announced, so everyone attending could join in the drive.
ReplyDeleteHe eventually said no, saying it needed approval from Headquarters.
Sad.
That’s typical, but to be fair I have to mention that I attended a UCG site in the late ‘90s where we took up collections for the local homeless shelter and the local animal shelter. Being one to believe most people are responsible for their own problems, I gave primarily to the animal shelter. The minister said when he took in the check for our collections, the coordinator of the animal shelter glanced at it, and said, “Whoa!” 😀
DeleteI don’t usually so much good about the Armstrong church tradition, but sometimes it – “we” at the time – did some good.
Well, these guys maybe take it too far the other way so far as the Kings and Priests go. There wasn't a word for "executive" back in Jesus' time, or for that matter in the lifetime of King James, either. But most executives whom I know work very hard as setters of policy, problem solvers, and administrators. If somebody thinks that's anything like floating around on a cloud playing a harp (actually I'd prefer rocking out on my guitar!), then that somebody has no idea of or respect for an executive or the incredible amount of work they do.
ReplyDeleteLet me also state that I believe God does a lot of good through musicians. They touch people on a level that nobody else can, although/because they often lead tormented lives themselves.
I don't want to be an executive in this life, or the next. I prefer to exist as a little guy behind the scenes that has the skills and determination to keep things rolling along. The guy that fixes things.
“. they will be sitting around ruling over underlings doing all of the work as they revel in their new power and authority and do nothing to get their hands dirty.”
ReplyDeleteWould be terrified if one found oneself under many of these authoritarian fanatics , would have to plead to be given leave to Pluto
Thankyou for the good thoughts and explanations.
ReplyDeleteWhat a paradox, an organization boasting all along of being special , but looking back playing a deceptive game.
“Many teachers become not, my brethren, having known that greater judgment we shall receive,”
Comment was made stating: "...In fact, is this any different than what we will be doing when Jesus establishes God’s kingdom on the earth? Humans who are still alive are going to be shell-shocked and they will need the most basic of their needs met. Food, water, shelter, clothing..."
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"Shell-shocked!" Where did that phrase come from?
When God's Kingdom is established on earth it will be "eye-opening" if nothing else, but shell-shocked?
Ezekiel 37:11 "Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD."
And what about those basic needs? What about white robes for starters?
Revelation 7:13 "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
This entire world has been living in great tribulation ever since the god of this present evil world leavened it with his spirit/nature back in the days of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Once upon a time Adam and Eve knew good, then Satan entered the scene and since then all humanity has been learning about both good and evil, and learning to hate evil. Where is that "good news?" Won't those opened eyes be part of the "good news?"
And food?
Revelation 7:16 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."
That sounds like some good news! So, if shell-shocked peeps to exist, how long would it last?
Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."
Isn't that good news? No shell-shock there!
What about the meek that inherit this earth? Will they be fed and eat?
Psalm 22:26 "The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom [is] the LORD S: and he [is] the governor among the nations.
29 All [they that be] fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul."
More good news! No more dirt-naps after they arise from "the dust." And having a heart that shall live for ever? That sounds like a nice deal, a good deal, a done deal, if you will.
When God's Kingdom is established on earth, will it be a time of "shell-shock" and most basic human needs unfulfilled, or will it be a time for much better news: some "good news?"
Time will tell...
John
Just a word about the difference between the Chronicles account and Kings account of that incident: Back in my days of doing Bible study as a religious devotion, I noticed a pattern in them. Kings is always more “moral” in focus. Chronicles will tell you somebody did some thing. Kings will tell you somebody did some thing – and it was bad.
ReplyDeleteIt’s not a hard and fast rule, but it does sometimes go to understanding things. For instance, the account in 2 Chron 5 about why David was not allowed to build the temple – due to his warmaking – was held up by Armstrong to argue against military service. In reality, it’s a political reality. If David had been so associated with the temple, it would’ve been a target for his enemies. There would’ve been no mercy or asylum granted to it as a “religious site.” But by associating it was Solomon, who was granted peace (more or less) during his reign, that problem is avoided. The account in Kings does not list war fighting as a moral negative.
Just an observation.
Related to serving the community as discussed, it was traditional Armstrongism’s eschewing of civic duty that finally pushed me to a post-1995 rejection and departure. An elder had asked me to look into the issue of kinetic self-defense. I had come in to Armstrongism in the context of falling for the lies against military service and political involvement. But now, between the aftermath of 1995 and a “minister” opening the way to study the matter (yes, I know), I completely rejected the traditional Armstrong position. I specifically say “traditional” because the CGI branch and its offshoots tend to be fundamentally the opposite. I left UCG over this matter just before the 2000 election, and attended more duty-embracing ICG for a year.
ReplyDeleteSee my comments on 14 July 2024 blog post for explanations on political involvement, bearing arms, and military service. Upshot: ALL people have civil government duties (Gen 9:4-7; Deut 16:18-ch17), lethal self-defense is specifically justified (Ex 22:2-3a — ask if interested in an explanation on the 3a caveat), and Deut 20 specifically justifies military service. As for Sabbath issues, military service is part of that Gen 9 function, and thus is a service to God. (Rom 13), just like the priesthood. They profane Sabbath in the context of their duties, and our blameless.
https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2024/07/is-our-crackpot-prophet-able-to-pick.html?m=1
Isn't Rev. 1:10 "on the Lord's day" also taken out of context to promote new, post 321 a.d. Constantinian "sunday" sabbath...along with 1 Cor. 16:12 doing that also?
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"According to some, Jesus's statements in the Bible demonstrate that he was 'Lord of the Sabbath' and did not intend to abolish the Sabbath, but rather to fulfill the Law:
Matthew 12:8: Jesus says he came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it
Mark 2:27: Jesus says the Sabbath is a day of rest made for humans"
sorry my typo should be 1 Cor. 16:2, but not 16:12 oooops
DeleteJust reaching for an historical context, when I read the works of Josephus about 15 years ago, I was quite surprised to learn his opinion of Christians, or followers of "the way". Flavius Josephus was not only an historian, he was also a great Jewish military leader. He stated (I'm paraphrasing) that Christians were of no value as soldiers, that their beliefs ruined them for military purposes. At that point in time, Israel was no longer a theocracy per se, because they were dominated by Rome. However, as with other Roman conquests, they were permitted to govern themselves under their own beliefs and methods to a certain extent.
ReplyDeleteIsrael was a theocracy during the period of times of Chronicles and Kings. The United States of America is not and has never been a theocracy, although one political party is influencing it towards a Sunday-keeping version of a theocracy. That should concern COGlodytes, but most likely does not.
I might be remembering incorrectly, but I believe that was one of Bob Thiel's fussy moments with LCG.
DeleteHistorically WCG tended to imply that a great resurgence of worldwide Catholicism would occur and "persecute the true church". But I believe Bob complained that some of the LCG mucketymucks were noting the rise of populist Protestantism trying to push into American politics and suggesting that might ultimately be the chief antagonist, which the Great Bwana took issue with.
This is rich. You folks complaining about taking scripture out of context. I had to double check that I wasn't at the Babylon Bee!
ReplyDeleteAnon438, The WCG prided itself on taking one scripture and piecing it with another. They referred to it as "here a little, there a little". The biblical reference is actually disparaging such a practice. Obviously, the practice encouraged/resulted in taking things out of context.
DeleteCON Without the text! Adulterers, liars, deceivers...
ReplyDeleteRom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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ReplyDeleteCON Without the text! Adulterers, liars, deceivers...
Rom 8:7Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Monday, July 29, 2024 at 7:52:00 AM PDT
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Additionally, Paul also told us: "That no flesh should glory in his presence." 1 Cor 1:29
And yet, many today, some even thinking God is "testing" them, still strive to impress God with their "good works:" as if they could even ever magically earn salvation by those works.
So, did Paul really know what he was writing about when considering that human beings were incapable of saving themSELVES?
Time will tell...
John