With Dr James Tabor
"You get the right person in charge of an insane script, the script becomes believable"
Why it is right, and even necessary to talk about our experience in the Doomsday Cult of our youth
The End of Fear - video
With Dr. James Tabor
The End of Fear
A look at the fear of growing up in a doomsday cult and believing that, any day now, the world may end.
In part two of our Apocalypse Maybe series, End of Fear, people raised with a belief in an impending apocalypse look back on their upbringing, and find some parallels in today’s increasingly unstable world.
Acclaimed author and professor Jerald Walker shares the story told in his 2016 autobiography, The World in Flames: A Black Boyhood in a White Supremacist Doomsday Cult, while writer and PR professional Fleur Brown connects past fears with the current day.
WOW, in the mainstream now. They continued in it. "in the next 10 to 15 years"...... Time will tell
ReplyDeleteAs a rule I do not watch Al Jazeera since I feel it a force for Evil. Also I feel Jared Walker is seriously misguided in his understanding of Armstrongism close to being a liar, although I do not blame him since he was a kid at the time. Yet I found the documentary interesting of course because of Tabor who I hold higher than the FBI held him at what should have been a more important moment for him......
ReplyDeleteII understand Walkers point about his visit to Petra being "cleansing" (although I had that already in the eighties since my YOU church friends had already visited Petra and said it was too hot to live there.
Unfortunately Tabors point about Islam should have been the topic of the documentary on Al Jazeera. But since it is an evil station of course Apocalyptic views in Shiism and especially the evil regime in Iran will of course not be broadcasted by that bastion of faulty information viewed by billions, proving Armstrong was right about this world and its masters.......
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I find Aljazeera to be very good in keeping up honestly on Israel's genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and world opinion that is pretty much fed up with them
DeleteAl Jazerra seemed to be more on point with what the US and Britain did in Iraq , than our mainstream news outlets of Fox, CNN etc. There’s plenty of evil stations out there not giving the facts nck
DeleteWell, in this particular case, they probably just bought the story from someone else. The suits at AJ arent expressly interested in Herbert W Armstrong. It was probably created by a production house and then shopped around until someone bought it for filler. Ive sold a few things to AJ myself.
DeleteWhat was the motive for producing this? Trying to vilify Trump since he is current? It was good when they stayed on topic. Good to see Fleur after all these years.
ReplyDelete1975 in prophecy
ReplyDelete'' ..Yes, millions of lukewarm inactive professing Christians will suffer MARTYRDOM—and that before the anticipated push-button leisure-year of 1975 dawns upon us! You'll read of this martyrdom—the Great Tribulation—in Mat. 24:9-10, 21-22; Rev. 17:6; 6:9-11; 12:11, and in many other verses..''
''..By that time, the Red Armies of Russia, China and allies will number
TWO HUNDRED MILLION! Think of it. A vast army of. two hundred million soldiers! ''
Armstrong - one of the biggest religious conmen of recent times.
I watched a dissident Seventh day Adventist video today, and they also, like HWA, claimed that their second coming dates were off because Christ delayed His second coming due to its members not being spiritually ready. So it's the members rather than their leaders fault. Another example of these denominations "stealing" ploys from one another. They use an informal "Christian cults for dummies" book.
ReplyDeleteInteresting to note. Not surprising how Armstrong’s excuses over the years make Adventists pale into significance because of the sheer number of them.
DeleteThe End of Fear? That would be nice, but unfortunately impending apocalypse is alive and well today in the politically controlled narrative called climate change.
ReplyDeleteJust how does HWA'S countdown to disaster differ from the United Nations doomsday climate narrative, which continually projects 10-20 years into the future, with specifics that coastlines will disappear and weather extremes will destroy our food supply unless some intervention takes place? I have a feeling these fear tactics are for you and me, and NOT for the ruling class, for they continue to buy and live in mansions (Barack Obama) on the coastlines, and live in potentially dangerous areas for hurricanes like Florida. They have no fear!
The only difference I see in HWA'S narrative and that of the UN is that with the UN the world does not end, but will be saved by their intervention in the world's economy and our personal lives. We will no longer own anything but we will be happy. Think of John Lennon's song "Imagine".
These poor souls doing the documentary can make fun of Scripture and condemn HWA to hell, then turn around and swallow hook, line and sinker the fear tactics of this system without any conception of the danger it presents.
Where do I see this going?
" And the whole world wondered after the Beast", Revelation 13:3.
And not forgetting that today's cancel culture has always been an integral part of Armstrongism. Physical Israel is following spiritual Israel, which means that the USA will fragment and become an insignificant third world country.
DeleteYou may well be right about the increasing centralization of government power - it’s occurring in lots of countries not just authoritarian ones. The UN is a very divided institution however. Thankfully we no longer have the never ending forecasts of the “”Woorrrld Tomorrow” dishing up the alleged plain truth of the news and only causing confusion.
DeleteYea I see what your saying. Scripture is scripture and it was here long before Armstrong. And scripture has foretold of wars, disease epidemics and earthquakes. Thing about it is, can the splinters get it right. Can they do what HWA was unable to do?
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ReplyDeleteI agree. I suppose I was an anomaly among those deceived into Armstrongism. I was never fearful (started attending after 1975) and I always had some common sense scrutiny of narratives.
I got in thinking I was pleasing God, not to save my skin. I got out to please God and better know my Savior.
Trump as autocrat has been a media narrative much too ham-fisted to have deceived some of the intellects here, but somehow it did.
I'm not concerned much with global warming, but am for reducing wasteful carbon emissions. There are multiple ways to cool our planet that won't wreck the economy. Some of these were considered when I was doing work regarding the holes in the ozone.
I did watch Al Jazeera when they started. Thought of it as balanced and certainly better than the stable wwcog fair of CNN. My opinion of them as the ‘go to’ for news has changed over the last number of years. To say biased is an understatement. Financed by Qatar, a stronghold of the Muslim Brotherhood their rampant anti Israel Western rhetoric has damaged them. Qatar is hardly a bastion of human rights liberty diversity equality, ruled as it is by a authoritarian tribal regime and its ‘News’ operation reflects this, turning a blind eye to huge human rights abuses and brutal suppression rampant in its Arab neighbours. Glad this was aired by them however and would like to see it on other networks.
ReplyDeleteLots of counties have turned a blind eye to human rights, even the Western countries. Slavery for hundreds of years, Trail of Tears, colonization all in the name of "christianity."
DeleteOct 31 6:29 is an absolute no knothing spouting idiocy. What a total idiot that is. For instance regarding the trail of tears this happened after the French Revolution and in the USA that was spawned by it. 2nd.Slavery was forbidden in Christian nations and for instance in the cape colonies children were baptized as soon as possible so they could not be traded anymore as Christians...
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Oh calm down Nck or Nick, ick... sounds like you getting offended by someone just spouting a little history. And children baptism, come on Nck, didn't Armstrong teach you better than that. Oh and it doesn't matter when something happens, it happened. That's like getting mad that Christ mentioned that Abel was killed in (Matt. 23:35), which happened thousands of years ago. You would be the type of person that goes, "that happened so long ago." Doesn't matter if things happened before or after some French Revolution, IT HAPPENED. Now go get some cake and soda and celebrate your Trump.
DeleteI think Trump is stupid. About the children baptisms. I was referring to Christians....Practices HWA abhorred. Indeed what happened in the past is a constellation of what was the majority norm at the time.
DeleteRemember that your great grandchildren will burn everything that reminds of you.......... Because portraits were found with you and your car, the airco in your house and you hopping on that polluting cruiseship..... But hey..... everyone had a car back in the day.... So no reparations..
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DeleteNo stop lying, you know you’re a Trumper. No need to deflect. The past is the history and is related somewhat to the future. Constellations are just stars in a certain pattern. So my great grandchildren will be fully grown in the future??? So I guess we have another 40 to 50 years to go. Portraits of ourselves are mainly on our phones and devices. You sound like some old dude living in a basement Nck. Worry about your kids or grandchildren who won’t be able to afford a home in America or Britain due to the elite's running game on your livelihoods, oh that’s right they are having trouble with that right now. And I don’t need reparations, but you Americans can keep paying reparations to Israel, (even though Germany did it), and keep paying those reparations to Ukraine. But America first, right. Besides it’s God who will provide reparations for whomever follows Him (Matthew 19:29-30). Pay those reparations to the Japanese Americans (1988 Reagan) and those Native Americans for what was done. Such an enigma.
I have always thought of Dennis as seriously disgruntled with cause. As of his last reply I will only think of him as deceived, a blatant liar and sheer evil.
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Dennis’s comments are disturbing and frightening.
DeleteAnd have a darkness emitting from them that is entirely at home within Hamas and Hezbollah and Isis who indeed do have active policies of discrimination, enthic cleansing and genocide against the only Jewish nation on earth. The Hamas ‘Chapter’ attests to this unpleasant reality of which Israel is well aware off. The tragic situation in Gaza, and it is, is entirely created by Hamas. The Israel response is no different from what would befall Mexico if they had attacked the USA.
Honestly, nck? Armstrongism has left all of us fu€ked up in multiple ways, and in need of recovery if we are to be made whole again. It should not come as a surprise to any of us that Dennis's psyche would also have been left damaged. Just remember, damaged does not automatically mean evil. I would submit that those who are still teaching and supporting Armstrongism are much more extensively damaged, and far more evil.
DeleteWell. In retrospect I love Dennis dearly whatever faux pas he makes. I reread what he stated on Al Jazeera and in my opinion every letter and yota in those 3 sentences are sheer diabolic lies and evil.
DeleteBut since I love him as no one here can understand I will not harp on it.
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Man.. is this video accurate growing up I had the same fears as Mr. Walker. That’s all that HWA/Trump do. Cater to people’s fears and offer a stern abusive father figure. So glad I left this cult too!
ReplyDeleteHope you bootlicking tithe slaves see the light too from your rented basement or Masonic lodge.
HWA and Trump have one key manipulative technique in common. In order to sell their philosophy, both worked very hard at destroying trust in the normal practices and institutions upon which we have all grown up trusting and counting upon. I recognized this as a teenager in the WCG, and I certainly recognized it and saw it happening again on a larger scale here in the USA beginning in 2016-2017. Add some fear with readily disprovable conspiracy theories, and get enough people "authenticating" and spreading the lies, and you have a lever and fulcrum to manipulate massive numbers of people into a revolutionary level of insanity.
ReplyDeleteSo many of us worked very hard to free ourselves from the damage done by HWA. We'll know sometime in the coming week whether or not we have a second, larger scale and more damaging scenario to live against as the election processes itself.
HWA was corrupt. He showcased a masterclass of deception by depending on those who were so eager and dependant in trusting in a man that would speak for God. Why? Because these people loved and trusted in God. Thus, they were "easy pickings" for him. He took advantage of their eagerness to trust. Somewhere and some time ago someone said "Be wary of those we are told to trust the most." "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
DeleteMy instinct tells me that those who have been in Washington the longest will tend to be the most corrupt. There is a very good reason why the populace has a growing distrust in the MSM. Maybe, just maybe, it's not because of what one man, who by the way we are almost exclusively told to distrust, is capable of, but that the system's corruption is being exposed?
11/1 @ 6:57 AM,
DeleteA very perceptive comment. Herbie preached that traditional Christianity was deceived and doing the Devil's work. He pointed out that higher education and science hadn't solved all of our problems either. Armstrong presented a world, and a nation headed for disaster and failure. Only God's direct intervention would prevent mankind from destroying himself and the planet he inhabited! Moreover, the state of California and a group of "dissidents" were attacking God's one and only "true" church (not Armstrong's and church leadership's malfeasance).
Likewise, Trump preached that the U.S. had lost its greatness and was headed for disaster and failure. He methodically and deliberately sowed and encouraged mistrust of our government, alliances, media, universities, and other institutions. Only he could save America from itself - from the "enemy within" who was seeking to destroy all that was good - those evil Democrats. Also, like Herbie, his enemies were America's enemies - they weren't really attacking him - they were attacking the U.S. Hence, all of the charges against him were a giant "witch hunt" meant to undermine his efforts to "help" the people of the United States.
It was bullsh-t back in the day, and it's bullsh-t in 2024! Both men cultivated a cult of personality and played on the fears of their followers. Moreover, the results were largely the same - a group of disciples who would excuse their every failure and remain loyal in the face of so much clear evidence of their own corruption and personal failures.
Boy oh boy! Let me tell ya, I hated Trump before it was even popular to hate on him. It didn't bother me that the likes of Whoopi to Oprah loved him. Or that he made the rounds on late night talk shows asking him to run for President. Hell, even Hillary, when Trump was a democrat, said he should get involved in politics. Nope, none of that changed my mind about him. I always seen Trump as some kind of Gordon Gekko type character from that movie Wall Street. Was I wrong? Or were all those people who formally adored and loved him wrong? Something changed.
Delete"My instinct tells me that those who have been in Washington the longest will tend to be the most corrupt."
DeleteIn simple statistical chances, yes, but in reality it just depends on which cliques they get involved with and what you define as corruption. Some of the new Congressmen of recent years are so ridiculously compromised that I cant believe they havent been expelled yet.
Back in the 2000s, one of the favorites to interview for my conservative friends in the news bureaus was New York's Rep. Charlie Rangel. He was a Democrat, but he had a heavily realist point of view and they just loved getting comments from him during the Bush administration - because Charlie would be blunt, but actually talk to them, not just speak in slogans. But Charlie got busted on several questionable financial practices and his star would fade in time.
DeleteI know you have a situation where thousands of young people were told to believe that they shouldn't worry about their dreams and goals as teenagers, during that time, because the end is coming on that date. It impacted their decisions of going to college/university and other things. We know that the end of the age will come, but when you hear the doomsday preaching every week, it rubs off on you. What they should do is find out the percentage of end time prophecies that that Paul, Peter, James, and John (with exception to the book of Revelation). And see that it's much more of a balance. They wrote more about Christian living than prophecy. I would say maybe 10 to 15% of their epistles were end time prophecy (that's how they (splinters) need to look at it). But they have an OT approach. Personally I've wanted to do a study on it.
ReplyDeleteThey got to get a balance on that thing. And another thing whenever a man of God prophesied about something, he was in direct communication with the Lord or and angel, and the prophecy came right on time. We're coming up on 50 years past that date.
Any race could join the WCG. White supremacist? Why is Israel never called Jewish supremacist?
ReplyDeleteIndeed any ethnic racial group/grouping that identifies itself as such, as a distinct ‘group’ could be identified as supremacist. The Jewish state of Israel has an open door to conversion, although not encouraged they will be welcomed; however the diverse population in Israel of Jews and Arabs and many in between have full freedom as we in the western world do, and many many non Jews are to be found at the highest levels, such as the judiciary, in the state of Israel.Yes many different peoples were members of wwcog, and wwcog thought of itself as ‘elite’, but some were more elite than others unfortunately.
Delete"Any race could join the WCG. White supremacist?"
DeleteThis is a disburbing statement. It indicates that you have no real understanding of the history of Armstrongism and no understanding of what White Supremacy is. You need to read a bunch before you make statements like this.
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I watched the Tabor parts of the video. I was pretty much familiar with the rest based on my own personal experiences. In fact, this kind of thing is boring. The idea that neo-Millerites fumble scripture and believe it is the end of the age is a platitude. The whole shtick stretches from 1844 to the present. Too many cycles, way over done. My reaction to material like this is to ask myself how I could have ever become involved in something so garish. I have some reasons but they all seem too small to really provide the necessary motivation for me to be an Armstrongist for 30 years in spite of seeing all the denominational flaws. In all that disarray, heresy had to be lurking someplace.
ReplyDeleteAnother reaction I had concerns HWA. I noticed the similarities between Trump and HWA along time ago. I also noticed the similarities between Trump and the Armstrongist ministry. The similarities reveal to us that we are not seeing the inspiration of God in the zeal of Armstrongism but an echo of plain ol’ secularism. I have not seen any significant preaching by HWA for decades. I found his speaking style to be revolting in the video – anger, glaring countenance, shaking jowls.
It's all a yawn. I have friends scattered around in various Armstrongist denominations. I do feel sorry for them and wish they had the will to escape. That’s not boring. It’s a tragedy. But the operational characteristics of Armstrongism are now, for me, trite. I am concerned about the rise of White Nationalism. Armstrongism is just a nit on that body politic.
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What I see by both Trump and Armstrong is a cult of personality. And with both their is the christian nationalism or christian white nationalism or in Armstrongisms terms British Israelism. (Instead of believing in Philippians 3:20). They don't even understand that young people in the UK are leaving Britain being a brain drain due to the economy. They are seeking "nationalism" elsewhere.
DeleteScout, would you consider yourself as a "CIVNAT"?Just because Trump gets some support from ethno-nationalists, doesn't mean that they rule the party, far from it. The same can not be said about the Democrat party. Diehard communists always vote for Democrats and in fact seem to have taken over the party causing many lifelong democrats to leave it. The Constitution would be destroyed under communism in a similar way it would happen under ethno-nationalism. Primarily, "All men are created equal under God" would cease being in affect.
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DeleteI have a mix of conservative and liberal viewpoints. On balance, I am a conservative. But even these terms lack substance anymore. Conservatives believe in small government but Trump expanded government spending enormously during his years in office yet he wears the "conservative" label and derides Liz Cheney. The political world lhas gone upside down.
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I'd really like to kick this end times thing once and for all, but my problem is that even though I left Armstrongism when Jesus failed to honor the personal appearance HWA had booked for Him in 1975, my mind persists in connecting the deterioration of conditions about which we read in the news with possible end times. So, the natural logic becomes that even though the end does not appear to be unfolding in the ways that HWA taught it would, or on his timeline, factors such as the very real climate changes we are witnessing, due to the very measurable greenhouse gases generated by industrialized mankind are bringing an end to the planet. Blips which have come and gone are the AIDS epidemic, COVID pandemic, and the first Trump presidency. The specter of another Trump presidency is horrifying, as we've watched him degenerate and make increasingly irrational and radicalized pronouncements over the past four years, and his anger and total disregard for the founding documents (documents which he claims to love except when they limit his power) escalating in his unbridled statements. If he does what he says he will, it most definitely will turn the world against us even more than he did the first time around, and this will mimic the HWA scenarios in numerous ways.
ReplyDeleteI believe that HWA was so scary, because what he forecast was essentially the end to the personal freedoms, safety and control we all have had in our lives as we lived in the USA while it was a good nation with leaders who had predominantly good character and put the interests and welfare of their country above their own personal interests and ego. You can almost see the total end to that within the coming days if the new math is 45=47.
Yes, I know that there will be future events which could be interpreted as harbingers of the end, and many of our minds will wrestle with our past programming as we process these. I just don't believe that in the case at hand past Armstrong programming is solely responsible for the current fear. If that were the case, the fact that HWA always sided with Republicans and their basic philosophies would be ameliorating those fears. He just never saw a time when his favorite party would be hijacked and its core values perverted.
Whether Trump gets in or not, Daniel 2:21 He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have understanding.
Delete10:14 said: “He just never saw a time when his favorite party would be hijacked and its core values perverted.”
DeleteSame can be said re the Democrats especially since the coup d’état of ‘63.
I believe that the national divide and the current election are really all about national approach to race. Like any good magician, a politician knows how to distract the audience's attention away from his sleight of hand. I hear the economy and the border being hammered over and over and over as the primary issues and differences. The Biden economy has been a good economy with the exception that the excessive financial liquidity which was injected into it to tide us over in the aftermath of the shut down and the effects of the pandemic quite predictably caused inflation. That inflation would have been present regardless as to who happened to be POTUS. And, the problems at the border were largely corrected six months ago, when the rules for seeking assylum were revised. I also can't help but acknowledge the fact that due to all of the money being given away, and many long-term citizens simply not wishing to work, it's a darned good thing that so many people who were anxious to work happened to make themselves available at the border!
ReplyDeleteThe major 50-50 divide we have had over the past ten years is over a huge social issue. Approach to race. The Democrats are all about diversity, celebrate multiculturalism under their huge umbrella, and do a very convincing job of demonstrating that it works. They embrace the study known as Critical Race Theory, and do not consider it unpatriotic to correct the mistakes of the past, to improve the lifestyles and opportunities for those living in the present. The Republicans do not believe that multiculturalism can work, so seek to subtly maintain divisions which deliberately sabotage it. This is why you see militia members and white separatists at their rallies. The Repubs are very guarded with what minorities they will accept and help, with the main criteria involving being an enthusiastic registered Republican! And they'd better not be RINOS! In conservative Blogdom, CRT, and DEI are mockingly referred to as "being woke". Even the inherent worth of black lives is mocked on such sites.
A word about women's reproductive rights. When birth control and planned parenthood came into play in the 1960s, the birth rate of white women plummeted. Coincidentally, the immigration laws which had imposed strict quotas upon non-Christian, non-white, culturally different people were revised. Prior to the Hart Celler Act of 1965, our national immigration laws favored immigration predominantly from Western European countries which were similarly cultural to ourselves. The H-C Act was embraced, and became the genesis of the multicultural trend, because the babies suddenly not being born to all the white women had to be replaced in order for the economy to continue to grow. Now, sixty years later, people who get the news really really late start to spread conspiracies about "replacement theory" as if it is just now starting and is all the fault of the "woke". And of course we also hear about someone's plans for mass deportation! The huge 1%er multiconglomerate owners and shareholders have consistently lobbied for greater quotas of highly educated immigrants from countries such as India to fill positions that Americans alone cannot. It is only the great unwashed with whom they have a problem.
The vote this year is not primarily over good and bad, although those are certainly in play. Your choice is for those who seek to include, unite, and govern equally in a nondiscriminatory fashion, or those who would prefer to sew division and distrust of our institutions and traditions and favor only their members. Choose wisely.
Yea, the vote not only has domestic implications, but also implications that are abroad and a possible world war. And yea, immigration was not a problem at all as long as it came from Western Europeans. Funny
DeleteMy grandfather fought in WWII as a black man , and came back and couldn't get a home in a nice place due to the FHA denial in the mid 1960's. Meanwhile A German immigrant, Italian Immigrants were able to get the loans to live in decent neighborhood when my grandfather had enough money. He was like, "weren't these the guys we were just fighting!!" Also included Asian americans who we had fought against in three wars.
No. Republicans support all races equally. Dems support CRT which teaches antagonism among the races. It teaches bias against the majority race. This too is racism and never works.
DeleteOh 2:21 sounds like you a republican. LOL Oh the big bad CRT, Woke, DEI hires, it's all against the majority race. The sky is falling, the world is ending. 😆
DeleteCRT Critical Race Theory, is actually a theory that people believe that a race is 3/5 of a human being, it's a theory that believes all of them need to be segregated under jim crow, it's a theory that they need to be in slavery and they are property. It's to believe that one race is inferior to another. See 👍
Anonymous 3:29 wrote, “I believe that the national divide and the current election are really all about national approach to race.”
ReplyDeleteOf course. Remarkably, most democrat talking heads do not adequately credit the issue of race or do not want to bring it into the picture. As a result, they are puzzled over the MAGA Republican movement. White people are afraid. At about mid-century Whites will become a minority. Their birthrate is just not high enough to sustain a majority. Whites doubt that if Blacks and Browns gain power, the Whites will be treated fairly. So most voting White people have become White Nationalists (aka MAGA Republicans). And the White Nationalists have their own “Cancel Culture” and their own version of being “woke.” They believe in the cancellation of minority rights in governance and being wide awake about the fact that minorities are poised to take over by being able to out-vote Whites. For the foreseeable future, our national leader could be a person of color. Opposed to this are a fewer number of voting White people who have formed a coalition with Blacks and Browns to pursue the waning ideals of democracy.
This brings us to political realism. White Nationalists reject democracy. Democracy means making a place at the table for minorities. White Nationalists reject gun control because they know the ultimate source of their power against minorities is the rifles and pistols in their closets. White Nationalists reject equal treatment under the law for minorities. The police beating up and sometimes killing minority members over traffic violations is a strategic policy. White Nationalists reject criticism of Donald Trump. Nothing Trump can do or say alters the conclusion about demographics – Whites will become a minority. White Nationalists reject the Constitution of the United States because it limits the free hand they want their dictatorial leader to have in opposing minorities. Only a dictator can do things like cancelling the right of minority members to vote or ejecting Blacks and Browns from the Unites States. White Nationalists thrive on conspiracy theory because it reduces their cognitive dissonance about their political stance – it hardens their hearts. Donald Trump in what he says and does is an accurate reflection of the hearts and minds in his MAGA base. More so than any of the national politicians that I am familiar with.
Nominal White evangelicals have happily joined the White Nationalist Movement. They want it to be White Christian Nationalism, hence, the engagement in politics of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). While Armstrongists, finding support in the history of Israel in the Old Testament, can stand up and applaud White Nationalism as portrayed in the previous paragraph, I don’t think they are going to be pleased by the activities of the NAR. Armstrongists may find themselves openly pilloried as heretics and constantly stalked by the government.
This is not going to change. It is driven by demographics. If you are White, you may not vote for Trump this year, but you may vote for his White Nationalist successor, if voting still happens. It is a matter of how bad things get.
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Armstrongist also seem to not have a problem with what Israel (nation-state) is doing to the Palestinians, because that is the extreme version of Judaism white nationalism. It's all related like the sex sins being related. It's the idea of operating in the Old Testament through force, even though the weapons of our warfare are not carnal. Armstrongism church of gods, deeply want to operate in that same manner, because their hearts and minds are still tethered to Israel or as RCM put it, anglos saxon celtic white people. And in their mind, Christ has/needs to come sooner than the 2050's when they feel they are still the majority. The low birthrates aren't just there, they are also in other European countries like Germany (a whole other issue) , so prophecy has to speed up according to them.
DeleteRichard Spencer, a White Nationalist, just endorced Kamala for President!
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"Whites doubt that if Blacks and Browns gain power, the Whites will be treated fairly."
DeleteOne of the funniest things I have seen on social media was more or less this statement, with the response "it's as if America has a long history of treating minorities badly or something."
Democratic Platform Planks 2008:
Delete1. "We support Constitutional protections and judicial oversight on any surveillance program involving Americans."
2. "We reject illegal wiretapping of American citizens, wherever they live."
3. "We will revisit the Patriot Act and overturn unconstitutional executive decisions issued during the past eight years."
4. "We will respect the time-honored principle of Habeas Corpus."
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I believe that it scared people when President Obama turned out to be such a good, effective president. His success also drew a lot of people whom any good civilization would normally repudiate and cancel back out of the woodwork, and dressed for battle.
ReplyDeleteWhat 9:28 described as happening to his grandfather was known as "redlining". The banks, real estate companies, rental agencies, and local city governments conspired to restrict people of color who were veterans, good law-abiding citizens, and often had degrees from moving into desirable, safe neighborhoods. There are many of us white people who have investigated these things, realize what went on, know it was grossly unfair, and do not ever want to witness the return of such practices.
I just hope there are enough of us!
12:03 Thank you for your comment, yea my grandfather did have that degree from a university from the north and was law abiding, two jobs and was had to deal with the redlining and blockbusting. (I am 9:28). Many of the black veterans didn't get the GI Bill, but many white veterans did and were able to go to those colleges/university and for their grandchildren to be grandfathered in through loyalty admissions. And while I agree affirmative action is not fair, neither is the legacy admissions. We are not to respect the poor or the mighty (Leviticus 19:15), but Armstrongist only focus on denying the poor (as I hear it in their sermons, and in their articles for years.
DeleteAlso although I am not an Obama fan, his administration did get us out of that economic situation that Bush II left us with. We have to have economic policies that impact young americans for the better.
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Delete“White nationalists”, “scared by obama’s successful presidency”, etc.—- you are definitely part of the media borg.
DeleteThink for yourselves, and stop projecting onto others. Maybe talk to an actual republican instead of seeing a selected one the media provides for you.
I am involved in the Republican party in a rural area and not once have I heard anyone disparage someone’s race and we don’t have to blow dog whistles amongst ourselves.
We’ve gone to national conventions and meetings and never is anything but equal treatment and respect ever mentioned regarding race.
Amazing how your echo chamber keeps bouncing the same language around over and over.
You are separated from reality in this area.
Don’t you even listen to how your Kamala condescends to black men?
The left media seems to be your new WWCG.
Obama was terrible. Charismatic and talented? yes, but a terrible President.
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DeleteRural people are generally kinder, gentler, and perhaps not as jaded as their big city counterparts, so I believe what you say about your apparently well-intentioned rural Republicans. I get a lot of my gut feelings from listening to what your big guy who is calling all of the national shots is saying. I've found that a lot of the moderate Republicans focus on the Reagan ideals of small government, secure borders, and lower taxes, and tend to filter out or diminish all of the horrible, savage, and childish things Trump actually says as he visualizes what he quaintly refers to as "our country". He doesn't really mean our country in the sense that he will serve all citizens needs, he means it in the sense that everyone must get on the MAGA train or they are to be treated as the enemy. No other president has ever done that. For most of our history, compromise was once the general rule, so that everyone got a piece of what they wanted or needed.
DeleteBut, hey. We'll see.
Let me hasten to add that I have trouble with the far-left liberal movement in American politics as well. I do no like the revisionist social norms they advocate. I do not like their scoffing at Christianity.
ReplyDeleteA caveat. Left-wing ideology is a thing. HWA used the therm "liberal" to condemn those people who diagreed with him. He would have done us all a favor if he had used the terms "loyal" and "disloyal" instead of "liberal" and "conservative". His liberal/conservative terminology, inappropriately applied, conflates his own organizational ambitiions with political discussion. Zealous but naive Armstrongist lay members, always alert to the rhetoric of the pulpit, then believe that if someone is liberal, then they are "evil." And if someone is conservative then they are "good." Jesus expressed both liberal and conservative viewpoints.
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Yea Scout, Christ shared both viewpoints during His ministry. ACOG take their terminology of conservative and liberal conceptions partly from the political spectrum. HWA kept the church segregated for a while until he found out he wasn't going to be tax exempted. He didn't look to God's word in this matter, His policy rendered that of being conservative in the secular sense. Then they always talked about when the WCG became more liberal in the 70's. Today's liberal party with it's far left policies look totally foreign compared to back then.
DeleteI don't understand why the ACOGs would be supportive of the white nationalists in the first place. Anything that renders the Armstrong prophecy mold as being impossible is good news! What has not sunken in for them is the realization that the majority of white DNA in the USA is German, and has been for some time. Whites might not quite be a minority as of yet, but English descended Anglo-Saxons most certainly are.
ReplyDeleteHypothetically speaking, if ever we had been Manasseh, we became Samaritanized centuries ago!
Anglos are from northern Germany and Saxons too..... So some genetic comparison with bronze age Israel finds would be cool.
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Yea, there's so much Germanic DNA is not only in many Americans, it's in the peoples of England. The Anglos, Saxons and the Jutes were the three Germanic tribes that invaded England in the 400s.
DeleteWell, "white nationalist" was just a term adopted by white SUPREMACIST groups because it was more palatable (suggested patriotism) and to distinguish themselves from some of the older groups they saw as ineffective.
DeleteThe post-Civil Rights era saw many white folks adopt a mentality of "we dont talk about race" based on lifting MLK out of context.
That resulted in an mostly-unconscious state where the majority of white Americans still wanted America to br e run by whites, serve white interests, and view everything through a white lens officially... and we were just somehow along for the ride.
A thinking man like you can see the effects. Newer generations, white and nonwhite, got tired of that.
4:15~ I would suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Germanic peoples. Pay attention to the Alemanni. Note that the tribes lumped under the name "Germanic peoples" do not share a common group identity.
DeleteWell, we'll see what happens on Tuesday. I'd feel a lot better about it if a certain instigator were in restraints and unable to obfuscate, but something tells me we're going to get yet another view of his ego and character.
ReplyDeleteLet me place some of the issues that have emerged in this current election cycle in a Biblical context. God said the following concerning the Jews, “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.” Right out of the OT - a source that Armstrongists can appreciate. I believe that the post-war resurgence of the United States is in part due to our protection, though sometimes lukewarm, of Ashkenazi Jews who were being exterminated by Nazi Germany. Let me put it this way: if any political or religious group were to actively engage in systematic or random Anti-Semitism, they would fall afoul of this principle in Genesis. I believe there is enough data in reputable web sources for any literate person who is in touch with reality to sort this out as it applies to our current political scene.
ReplyDeleteThis is why some Anti-Semitic groups, I believe, want to claim that Jesus was a European (or Aryan) and was not a member of the Middle Eastern Jewish community. Yet, when Jesus came to this earth he came to his own and his own were the Jews of the Middle East. These Jews and the Abrahamic Arabs are dominated by y chromosome haplogroup J. In particular, the Ashkenazi have been assaulted by claims that they are really Gentiles and not Jews at all. We now know from genetics that the Ashkenazi are authentically of Jewish extraction.
For this reason, I do not believe that White Nationalism or White Christian Nationalism or White Supremacy in any form will generate in any way blessings for the USA. Look up the Great Replacement Theory in Wikipedia. Two-thirds of the Republican party believes in it.
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Thank you for your observation Scout. Quite so.
DeleteI am Ashkenazi, decidedly ‘European’ in look, fair skinned dark hair, but the genes don’t lie, my roots are in the Levantine region. I have family there. I believe a key reason the British ‘empire’ fell apart after WW2, was because of their division of the Land of Israel which was spoken against in scripture. Yes the USA was blessed by their support of the new Jewish state in the ME. As the USA becomes more secular, support for Israel will undoubtedly wane and could develop into open hostility towards the Jewish people as we are seeing across America today and globally. Jerusalem will indeed become a burdensome stone to all who oppose and come against it. We have been warned.
There was a video on youtube, which I have failed to rediscover, of two Rabbis living in Israel discussing their disdain of American Jews. The gist of it was over Trump and his support for Israel. See, the Rabbis were praising Trump as the greatest allied American President Israel has ever had and were puzzled by the American Jews vile hatred for Trump. One of the Rabbis even accused them of loxism. I'm certain that they both were referring to the elitist left-leaning Jews, because ultra orthodox Jews are fully supporting Trump.
DeleteWell most American Jews are Democrats, so we will see. But Trump is on good terms with BB, so we will see if he wins the presidency. We are living in some wild times.
DeleteAs whites become less and less of a majority, and as minorities ascend into political leadership, the ways in which whites receive or reject them will influence how the whites are treated. Basic human nature.
ReplyDeleteIf you listen to JD Vance, it sounds as if the Christian nationalists are going to come out against birth control in an effort to reverse the diminished birth rate of the white race.
Current political climate in D.C.:
Delete"White people are BAD!" -------------> not a racist statement
"Stop hating on white people!" ---> extremely racist statement
Dude, black women account for 40% of U.S. abortions. Yes, republicans are trying to discourage the killing of black babies. Those stinking racists!!!
DeleteWell, 8:42, actually it's 42%. These white nationalist strategists have realized that it's not primarily abortions that are diminishing the white majority, it is the birth rate itself. White women, except for the trash classes, are into their careers, and if they do have children, they stop at one or two. Much bigger families were the norm back in the 1950s and '60s. MAGA is all about turning back the time, getting rid of societal advancements. They are "Christian" jihadists, and Trump is the Ayatollah.
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Nominal White Evangelicals have a hypocritical stance on abortion. They soothe their consciences by opposing abortion yet do what they can to oppose social programs that might help a child once it is born - that espcially includes children of poor Whites and people of color. So there is no love in this phenomenon. Just self-righteousness.
What you need to ask is what are the social conditions that lead Black Women to seek abortion more often. Then you will get a clue about racism.
Dude? I haven't heard that since the Nineties. You must be and oldie.
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Anon 8:42 Republicans have had a long history of blocking and being against improving child care economic programs.
DeleteAlso, the maternal mortality rate for Black women was 69.9 deaths per 100,000 live births, 2.6 times the rate for White women at 26.6. So something is going on, since black women only make up 7% of the US population. There is racism in related areas.
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ReplyDeleteMost of the kibbutz’s horrifically attacked on October 7th were in support of a two state ‘solution’ and decidedly leftist in their opinions and leanings. The tragedy of the 7th was a brutal wake up call to lsrael with the realisation that there was no ‘partner’ for peace, has been imbedded into their hearts via the blood of the victims. The survivors are decidedly against any ‘deals’ or a Palestinian state. This is the savage reality they face. American Jews are relatively secure and safe. And largely unaffected by this type of hate and brutal behaviour. And can afford to lean left and dance with the devil, to use that expression. The hour clock is running short and any benevolence towards the Jewish people is changing. Perhaps then Jewish voters will change from their historical preference to vote left and go red or immigrate back to the homeland. The bell tolls. I believe that the US will become a very unpleasant place for Jews to abide in as the tide turns against Israel there and abroad.
The Constitutional Party of Idaho have my vote! “A pox on both houses”—Ds and Rs for their support of killing children be it in the womb and in other countries.
ReplyDeleteHypothetically speaking, if suddenly a gay or tranny gene were discovered, pregnant Christian women would want to be tested. How many of them do you think would carry a gay child to term?
DeleteIf there was a homosexual or transexual gene, it would have been weeded out of the gene pool a long time ago. And, transexuals that get surgery to change their sex parts, are now infertile.
Delete4:24 There is no gay gene and never will be. Those who choose to engage in same sex acts have been conditioned or groomed to think it’s good, normal and appealing by a sick church and society. This is why we see young kids being conditioned or groomed by TV, movies, music, etc or at school into this self-destructive “lifestyle” by unprincipled predatory adults. Like Jesus Himself said such adults deserve to be tied to a millstone and thrown into the deepest and blackest part of the sea.
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