The Giant
by NC Wyeth (Fair Use)
Armstrongism in Contention with Christianity:
A Meditation on God and the of Attribute of Size
By Scout
When I was in the Ninth Grade, I discovered that size is an inviolable physical property of the Universe. Size is real and size has meaning. My physics textbook stated that the giant spiders that appeared in a recent horror movie could not have existed. The reason why is that the proteins that form the hard exoskeleton of the spider could not support a creature of that weight. If there were such a big spider, it would collapse under its own weight. Likewise, even though dinosaurs are made of stronger materials, there is a limit to how big they can get before their weight can no longer be supported by their structure and they fall apart. No doubt N.C. Wyeth’s great giant, illustrated above, cannot really exist either and for the same reasons. There is a range that governs the size that biological creatures can attain and humans are within that range. This limitation is not something that evolved in the Cosmos. It simply exists.
God is not Governed by Size
God is absolute and not relative. Almost everything we know is relative. (I will omit some of the spooky things in quantum physics that happen outside our zone of perception.) “That fish is bigger than this fish” is a principle that applies to everything in our environment. Objects exist in three-dimensional space. And that space can be calibrated. Just look at a ruler. And every object has size as one of its properties.
The idea that God has a body in his essence, as Armstrongists assert, means that he falls not into the absolute category but the relative category, like material objects. He is bigger than this but smaller than that - he can move faster than this but not as fast as that, etc. This is a great restriction because the Cosmos is very large and God, by comparison, would be very small. So, he is confined to working remotely with the Cosmos since flying around to different parts of the enormous Cosmos to fix things up is an impossible task. Some will propose that he works through his spirit which is like a “tractor beam” from Star Trek. But this places God at the end of a tool as if he were a man fabricating something rather than God creating something. The Gnostics call such a being a Demi-urge.
If God were really big, the problem of governing the real estate of the Cosmos would not go away. A Christian mystic, I cannot recall which, had a vision of God and he handed her a small object about the size of a walnut. As she held it in her hand, he told her that this is all that was ever made. The complexity of the Cosmos remains, however, independent of size. If God is very small in comparison to the Cosmos, there is the macro problem. His smallness is a hindrance. If he is very large in comparison to the Cosmos, there is the micro problem. His bigness is a hindrance. Either way, God is still like a Demi-urge, he just has to use a tool set that works for the size.
But, of course, God can appear as big as he wants to be or as small as he wants to be because he is absolute in essence and not relative. This is the nature of a theophany. A theophany is presentation and not substance. It is close to the idea of anthropomorphism. A theophany is a presentation that is actually sensed and anthropomorphism is a presentation that is literary. Yahweh is a storm God. A powerful storm was about the biggest, most dramatic thing the ancient mind could encounter. But one has to maintain perspective. There are impressive, big storms on earth but the Red Spot on Jupiter is a storm that is 1.3 times the diameter of earth. All of our yardsticks are relative and do not apply to God.
My guess is that if you were to ask Armstrongists how big God is, they would say that he is the same size as Jesus. This is because they misinterpret the scripture where Jesus states if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Archaeologists know what the average Jew looked like in the time of Jesus. If Jesus were average, and scripture does not suggest otherwise, he would be 5’ 1” and would weigh 110 pounds. This is the logical conclusion towards which Armstrongism moves.
But there is a problem with this conclusion and that is its implications about God’s “origin”. Who said to God that he can be only a little guy and no larger? He makes beings that are much larger. I am just over six feet tall. Did someone create God to be a certain size in his essence? This conclusion is an absurdity created by believing God is bound by size. Jesus told us that God is a Spirit. He transcends human categories such as size.
My Personal Theory
I have a theory about this and I will present it in summary. This is a conjecture and not a part of the Christian Doctrine of God that I know. I don’t expect you to believe this but you might find it worth contemplating. I believe that God does not have boundaries and I think this implements what we call omnipresence. And, of course, no boundaries, no size. But omnipresence is a much more limited phenomenon that what God actually is. There is a difference between being at every location in the Cosmos and having no location at all.
And here is the heart of my conjecture. The Cosmos is bounded. And the Cosmos exists within the unbounded God. We could spend some time on the meaning of the spatial preposition “within” in this context but we can let that pass for now. Paul said in the Sermon on Mars Hill, “For in him we live, and move, and have our being”. If Paul had just said that we have our being inside God, I would have seen the whole statement as spiritual concept with no spatial meaning. And the preposition “in” would be allegorical. But he says we have our physical movements within God. This gives the “in” our usual spatial meaning. Paul is saying that we, citizens of the Cosmos, exist, have our being, both physically and spiritually, in (“in” both actually and allegorically) God.
So, what do Captain Kirk and Spock see when the come to the boundary of the Cosmos, the really final frontier? They don’t see anything. Because human eyes cannot see spirit. Kirk and Spock can see only as far as the boundary. And on the other side of the boundary is God infinitely and God cannot be seen. He is invisible to us. So, what cannot be seen, appears to our retinas as the darkest dark that you can imagine - no photons, no image. My guess.
Conclusion
God transcends the human notion of size which is bound to the physics of the Cosmos. This does not make the Old Testament scriptures a lie but, rather, makes the scriptures poetic. The problem is that some people do not want to admit that the Bible is literary and it uses figures of speech about God that are anthropomorphisms.. They insist on a literal Bible but who gave them the right to require that? God gave the message he wanted to give and human curators added their verbiage as well. It is what it is. And it serves its intended purpose.
Absolutely true - God cannot be contained! God is NOT subject to the things that limit us!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of size, on the Star Trek episode "The Changeling", Scotty was perplexed that the space probe NOMAD, being only one meter in height, came within a whisker of destroying the mighty star ship Enterprise.
ReplyDeleteScott ---" what kind of intelligent creatures can exist in a thing that small"?
Spock responds with one of the classic lines of all time: "Intelligence does not necessarily require bulk, Mr. Scott"!!
Mr. Spock and Mr. Scout. I see some similarities.
Eh, God created space/time so He was before it came to be, and exists outside the boundaries of such. Trying to view God within our physical limitations will not work.
ReplyDeleteSolomon said, “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!”
ReplyDeleteWe are approaching the Feast of Tabernacles, one of the three occasions when all male Israelites were to appear before God. They appeared in the Temple which contained the Holy of Holies and within the Holy of Holies there was an ark. I would expect that in the minds of many ancient Israelites, there was a mistaken belief that God was small and contained in the ark. Just as many Armstrongists will sit in FOT services this year and believe that God is contained in a human-like body. But the Temple packaged God in such a way that Israelites could relate to him. Just as the anthropomorphic language of the Old Testament packages God so readers can relate to him. But the packaging is not God. It is at most ornamentation that makes God more understandable but risks the loss of meaningful abstraction to those who are inclined to be distracted by the literal and physical. Solomon’s statement above dispels the contained God idea and enjoins us to look beyond the mundane.
Scout
Throw in the fact that God exists outside of time and space, and dimensions, and you realize just how puny any of our perceptions would be.
ReplyDeleteAnd will Jesus Christ return during the Feast of Tabernacles (at "end", of the year: Ex 23:16-Hebrew to go out; Ex 34:22-Hebrew lapse of time; Deut 31:10-Hebrew extremity) in 2024 after 6000 years?? (1656 yrs+427+400+480+429+2608 years - Gen 5,11,15:13, 1KIngs 6:1, 2Chr-Judah king reigns, 585 BC, see Zedekiah/Wikipedia, to 2024 AD).
ReplyDelete??? - From Cyrus' commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Jesus Christ shall be 7 "weeks" of 133 years of 7 19 year cycles with 7 13th months each, and 62 "weeks" of 434 years.........and after 434 years the Messiah shall cut the new covenant after His death in 33 AD....and Titus the prince shall come and destroy Jerusalem and the temple........And Jesus shall confirm the new covenant with many from Friday at His death when the covenant becomes "of force", to a future Friday when He returns, one week, a time that is "sevened", and in the first half ("midst") of the week He shall cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease in the Temple in 70 AD.....Isa 44:28; 45:13; Daniel 9; Hebrews 8:6; 9:15-17.
Creation week of Genesis 1 may be Tishri 16-22. Tishri 16 may be Day One (Gen 1:5) of the first year. Tishri 16 may be day one of the 6001st year. The moon was made for "seasons" (Hebrew fixed times) - Ps 104:19. There has been a fixed calendar from Day One.
...or the 70th week is from "Sunday" (sunset Sat to sunset Sun) when Jesus rose from the dead......to a future Sunday.....??
Delete9:43: AM PDT, Is that you Dave Pack??
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DeleteLet me wield a little mathematics here. In spacetime as we know it, anything that is unbounded will contain everything that is bounded. We might call this a hermeneutic in dealing with the question of the size of God in his essence. But how do we know that God is infinite and in what sense infinite? Someone might declare that God is not infinite, he is just way big. He is bounded but enormous so we just think he is infinite.
ReplyDeleteThe resolution of this problem has to do with Nothing. I will give it a capital N. Nothing is unlike all other things. It is not just another object among many objects. It differs in that it is a concept but inherently has no objective existence. Nothing is like the set of all positive numbers less than zero. That set is not just empty, it is non-existential. Some people mistakenly equate nothing with empty space. But nothing means that there is no space, no dimensions, no size, no capacity to contain something in a milieu where the laws of chemistry and physics apply.
So, God is not out there floating in an ocean of Nothing, as if Nothing had an existence. So, here comes the theorem: If that which is outside of God is non-existential, then God is boundless. He may not be boundless spatially (unless he wants to be), but he is boundless existentially. So that all that exists, exists within him. How did Paul know that?
So, when the Cosmos ends, it just stops. I don’t know if the human sense of touch can feel the boundary. But there is no space for your probing finger to extend into, no surface to touch. What exists on the other side is the existential and spiritual realm of God and who knows what that is like. What we do know can be stated in only allegorical language based on the material realm: God occupies the realm of existence exhaustively. That’s how he knows that there are no other gods. If there were other stuff lurking out there beyond his bounded range, there might be gods he didn’t know about. He says there are no other gods. He knows because he is unbounded.
Armstrongism is very different in its viewpoint on this. Armstrongists would regard this little excursus into math and philosophy as just poppycock. And this is why they have an odd Doctrine of God. Not only does Armstrongist theology declare a God who is bounded by a human body but that he exists inside of the Cosmos and lives somewhere in the “sides of the north” – the northern sky. I think that means that they might believe that the physical universe is infinite but I am not sure. If they do, that is wrong and that idea violates what we know from the Big Bang.
Scout
....No one can measure the depths of his understanding - Isa 40:28 NLT
ReplyDeleteOdd. This topic did not draw a single Armstrongist response. Nobody even challenged me to prove the theorem I mentioned. I was looking forward to a regular pre-Feast donnybrook. Either they are all prepping for the Feast or they believe their Doctrine of God has gone as far as it is going to go.
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Scout.
ReplyDeleteOnce you bring Star Trek into it all bets are off. Imagination overload!