This has been sitting in drafts for a while:
It's another sunny day in California, and our resident crackpot is on another of his self-righteous piss-fests. This time, it is about Veterans Day. It just frosts his delicate self-righteous little butt that some in COGland are not the kind of pacifists he thinks they should be. But first, the world's GREATEST prophet and true church leader to ever exist in human history wants you to know that he served in the military for 4 years before he was "converted." That's so funny!
November 11th is called Veteran’s Day in the USA. It is a day to remember those who served in the military.
For what it’s worth, I happen to be a veteran myself, as I served four years in the US military.
The historical position of the true Church of God is that Christians do not become part of the military, and if they are in for some reason, that they “do violence to no man” (Luke 3:14, KJV).
In my own case, perhaps I should mention that I was NOT raised in a Church of God (COG) family, and entered the military before being baptized by a Worldwide Church of God (WCG) minister.
Since the break-up of the old WCG decades ago some relatively few, affiliated with the COGs, publicly changed and have improperly taught that it is acceptable for true Christians to be part of the military and kill others.
He then has to add the following, proving once again what a delicate little man he is and how he gets so easily upset. He easily gets his wholistic knickers in a really big knot when COG folk do not adhere to the pacifist stance that the elite chicken hawks in the church do.
Furthermore, some of these few have seemed to wish to poke fun at those of us who hold to the original Christian teachings on this matter.
He then proceeds to try and eviscerate Wes White, from the Ronald Dart Evangelistic Association for his stance on military service from a story that was published in the Journal in 2017. Bitter Bob sure can hold grudges a LONG time! Bitter Bob has been to ashamed to post the link to this story, so her eit is
BIG SANDY, Texas--I was jogging past the home of my friend Moore Wright Thnu yesterday when I heard loud screaming coming from his living room. I immediately ran to the door and rang the bell.
When Moore opened the door he was red-faced with rage. Our conversation went like this:
Wes: Moore, what in the world is the matter in there? Is everything all right?
Moore: Did you hear what he called me?
Wes: Who?
Moore: Him! Look at the TV.
I looked at the image being transmitted by the Fox News Network.
Wes: That looks like the former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura.
Moore: That's right. The unpatriotic rat.
Wes: Unpatriotic? Wasn't Ventura a decorated war hero during the Vietnam War?
Moore: Well, yes, but that's not the point.
Wes: Didn't he get a lot of medals like the Silver Star, Navy Cross and Purple Heart while serving in the U.S. Navy Seals?
Moore: Forget that part. I'm turning this off. I can't stand it anymore.
Wes: What is it you can't stand?
Moore: He called me a chicken hawk.
Wes: A chicken hawk? Why would he call you a chicken hawk?
Moore: A chicken hawk is a guy who had a chance to join the military and serve in combat but didn't. And, now that the guy is too old to serve, he's in favor of war and sending young men off to fight.
Wes: And you think he's calling you a chicken hawk?
Moore: Of course he is. He says I was chicken when I could have helped out during the Vietnam War, but now I'm a hawk when it comes to the war in Iraq.
Wes: Oh, I get it now. This is interesting. I know you have been vocal in promoting the war in Iraq, but I don't know anything about your personal history in the late '60s and early '70s. Did you serve in the military during those years?
Moore began stammering.
Moore: I was in the church at that time. We weren't allowed to join the army.
Wes: Really? I thought it was okay for you to enlist as a conscientious objector--a CO--and serve as a medic or in some other noncombat capacity. Did you consider that option back then?
Moore: I don't know if I want to discuss this. If you must know, Mr. Nosy, I was in the employ of the church back then.
Wes: I didn't know that. So did you agree with the church's teaching on military service back then?
Moore: Not really. But I went along with it so I could keep my job in the church.
Wes: Are you saying that, when you filed papers with Selective Service saying you didn't believe in carnal warfare, you didn't mean it?
Moore: Now see here, Wes. I didn't want to get disfellowshipped. Besides, Ann Coulter wasn't writing and speaking back then. I didn't have access to her profound insights back in those days.
Wes: Well, please help me understand all this. Would you serve in the military today if you weren't past the maximum age of enlistment?
Moore: Absolutely!
Wes: Would you say that young men today should sign up to help the war effort?
Moore: That's correct!
Wes: But you have three sons of ideal military age. Have you encouraged them to enlist?
Moore started stammering again.
Moore: What? Of course not! Why would I encourage my boys to join? You know that many Sabbath-keeping Churches of God teach against military service.
Wes: But this is not your belief. And your sons don't even attend church or keep the Sabbath. Why wouldn't you want them to enlist?
Moore: I just don't. Wait a minute. You're trying to trick me. You're trying to get me to admit that I don't mind Americans dying in war but I just don't want it to be me or my sons doing the dying.
Wes: Is this true?
Moore: Quit calling me a hypocrite. You're as bad as that Jesse Ventura. You're accusing me of being a chicken hawk. You need to just leave my house right now.
As I walked down the front-porch steps, the door slammed behind me. Halfway down the block I could hear Moore's TV was back on and he was screaming at Jesse Ventura.
Chicken-hawking has been a way of life for many in COG leadership positions. They want the military to be strong and defend them, but they themselves are too lazy and self-righteous to ever take a stand. They wax glorious on the military intervening in world events ever since 9-11, and yet they are too weak to ever step up to the plate and defend their country. These are the types of people who would have turned their neighbors as people did in WWII, ratting out the Jews.
The WWCG line was that America should militarily be very assertive (Herb's church-world must be protected from without) while church members are expected to be passive and blindly obey their ministers (Herb's church-world must be protected from within). Another example of the double standards in the church.
ReplyDeleteWhile it can be admirable that someone is willing to risk his life for liberty, the pendulum has swung too far in that they now feel they are entitled to special treatment for doing so. Some veterans want to be seen as superior to the common man, given preferences in all walks of life due to their military service. I've even seen reserved parking spaces at businesses for "Veterans Only". If a business wants to do that it's fine by me, but it serves to further divide the people in to groups that can be turned against each other.
ReplyDeleteI was engaged by a vet at a trade show a few months back. He was working a booth that catered to veterans' affairs. His demeanor changed quite noticeably when I revealed that I never served in uniform. I could tell he felt a bit of contempt for me. I had to remind him that not everyone serves in uniform, and that's all I can say about it. And for the record, I do not look down at all on anyone that has never been in the military.
If someone risked their life to protect my liberty and property, I would definitely show them special treatment.
DeleteAh, Bobby Thiel. A man of many contradictions, a walking riddle wrapped in an enigma dipped in irony, like if a fortune cookie had an identity crisis and started writing its own existential blog posts.
ReplyDeleteLet’s unpack this whole “Conscientious Objector” thing, shall we? Here's Bobby, Mr. “I spent 4 years in the military !”—except now, when it comes to taking any kind of real action that might involve, you know, risk or responsibility, he’s suddenly clutching his peace sign like a lifeline, shouting, “Hey, I’m just a conscientious objector! I’m like a 1960s hippie peacenik with a shorter haircut"
Bobby’s defense? Oh, it’s beautiful. He goes full-on philosophical, pulling out all the big words like he's in a TED Talk on ethics (probably delivered from his so called church headquarters basement). “Well,” Bobby says, adjusting his shirt tie and stroking his chin, “I mean, sure, I served in the military for four years. But, like, that doesn’t mean I can’t evolve into a conscientious objector! It’s called growth, man. It’s like… a spiritual awakening. You know? Like one of those self-help books I got on Audible.”
Right, Bobby. You know, nothing says “spiritual evolution” quite like a guy who went from marching to the beat of "Hooah!" to suddenly being a pacifist who can’t even fight a parking ticket.
And what's this? Bobby insists he’s not a “chicken hawk” either. He’s quick to clarify that being a “chicken hawk” is a misunderstanding. He says it in that way where he leans in, as though imparting a secret to someone who has no idea what’s going on, like he’s been reading The Art of War on a hammock in his backyard. “I’m a lover, not a fighter,” he’ll say, unironically, while wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a grenade and a peace symbol on it.
The irony? Oh, it's richer than a double-chocolate lava cake. Bobby spent four years getting paid to "defend freedom" but now that he's out, he’s all about nonviolence, probably because he found a melatonin vitamin and watched The Matrix for the 12th time.
But hey, let’s not be too hard on Bobby. He may have missed the memo that being a “Conscientious Objector” typically involves not signing up for the military in the first place, but who are we to judge? After all, he did his part. Just in case you weren’t clear on Bobby's noble sacrifice, he’ll remind you with a wink and a nod: “Yeah, I was in the military…for four whole years. I totally could’ve been like Navy Veteran Garner Ted Armstrong , and could have had 300 "conquests" like he did, but I chose not to, you know?”
What a guy. What a guy.... Bobby Thiel !
If your conscience or religious beliefs do not allow you to participate in the defense of your country, how does your conscience allow you to support the war efforts of others? What a conundrum that is! From his attitudes towards NFL Football, Bob would seem to have this principle ingrained into his psyche, but apparently not! He wouldn't root for the Steelers in a football game, how can he root for Israel (or insert other nation) in a war??? At least a concussion isn't usually immediately fatal!
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