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Thursday, January 9, 2025

Did God Send Fires To Los Angeles Because Of Sins Of Continuing Church of God Leaders?

 


It took a while, but God's greatest gift to humanity finally opened his self-appointed prophetic mouth and weighed in on the devastating CA fires. Never has the Church of God in its entire history ever had a more perfect prophet in its midst than it does with Great Bwana Bob. Even Herbert Armstrong trembles at his feet, knowing that The Great Bwana Bob is more intelligent and accurate than he ever was. The Great Bwana writes:

Wildfires happen every year. But what has been happening in the Los Angeles basin has been worse than most thought could happen there. 
 
As regular readers of this page are aware, I have repeatedly warned of weather problems coming.

As has every news station and knowledgable leaders in the state. 

Back in 2009, in my book, 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect, I wrote that the following was about to happen: 
 
Odd weather patterns result in food shortages and natural disasters. Matthew 24:7

The world is actually in a berserk transition, as the real age of peace is not yet here. It may be a period of chaos. It is the beginning of sorrows. Matthew 24:8

Since that was published, we have had record smashing heat, unprecedented fires, and odd weather problems. While the Apocalypse is NOT yet here, these issues should serve as a wake-up call. 
 
The above was “predicted” if you will, because of what Jesus taught:

7 … And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. (Matthew 24:7-8).
8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows. (Mark 13:8)

Jesus has absolutely no connection to anything Bob is claiming, and those Bible verses in no way refer to Bob or anything he predicted.

What we have here in the Los Angeles basin is a mixture of inept governance by a corrupt Governor and an idiot Los Angeles mayor and a once-in-a-lifetime weather pattern that all converged at once. This is no more a sure sign of the end times than Dave Pack and Bob speak for God.

Anyway, we get to the real cause for the fires, according to the Great One, the gays.


The all-knowing one writes:

The Bible shows that God uses weather to get people’s attention. Sometimes to punish, sometimes to lead to repentance, and other times to consider that God, not humankind, is in control. 
 
Notice the following:

8:1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand. 5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake. (Revelation 8:1-5)

20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts. (Revelation 9:20-21) 
 
While the above is for a future time, in a sense, it parallels what we are seeing today. Lack of repentance from sexual immorality and other sins is a factor in what the secularists tend to call climate change–but they do not see the connection. Any who claim to believe the Bible should. 
 
The Bible shows that weather problems can be a warning to people that society is going in the wrong direction (Amos 4:7-12). Notice also God’s use of fire between three thousand and four thousand years ago:

24 Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. (Genesis 19:24-25) 
 
And why did it happen?

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 7) 

Could the fires in CA be happening because it allows a false prophet to reside here and allow the adultery and other sexual shenanigans in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God to continue? After all, sexual immortality has had a long reign in the leadership of the church down through the decades. Maybe instead of the usual scapegoats the false prophet uses perhaps it is time the false prophet starts to look inwardly at the degenerate mess his own church is in. Is he the cause of California's suffering?

Why mention this in the 21st century? Because God turned:

6…the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly (2 Peter 2:6) 
 
Notice also the following:

11 “I overthrew some of you,
As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah,
And you were like a firebrand plucked from the burning;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
12 “Therefore thus will I do to you, O Israel;
Because I will do this to you, 
Prepare to meet your God, O Israel!” (Amos 4:11-12) 
 
Fires should get people to consider. But will people in the USA or the other Anglo-descended areas heed? 
 
The sorrows and troubles are just beginning and will get much worse.

Perhaps it is time the Churches of God clean up their messes and actually follow the One they claim to follow, yet never do. 

 


18 comments:

  1. Bob has defended his African ministers when they are accused of immorality, with all the same vigor of HWA defending GTA for as long as he could. It's too bad that Bob hasn't learned the lesson that an immoral minister will not be grateful, and will turn on you as soon as it becomes convenient for him to do so. When Bob's perverted witch-doctor ministers turn on him, it's not going to be pretty.

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  2. Well, there was Jesus and there was the disciple that Jesus loved (in a "special" way) beyond the others. Some think this means that Jesus had a boyfriend. How can Christians disprove that? How can they condemn "gays" to hell?

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    1. Anon, Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 5:59:45 PM PST, wrote:

      Well, there was Jesus and there was the disciple that Jesus loved (in a "special" way) beyond the others. Some think this means that Jesus had a boyfriend. How can Christians disprove that? How can they condemn "gays" to hell?
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      It is very easy to disprove that, especially once one learns who the disciple whom Jesus loved is identified as, and it isn't John, or Peter.

      If interested in the proof, look at TDWJL.com, for an uplifting, encouraging, free online book with the proof.

      The New Testament begins with the books identified as 1. Matthew, 2. Mark, 3. Luke and 4.John.

      Will the identity of the disciple whom Jesus loved prove who the actual writer of that fourth gospel is/was, and that it is somebody other than John?

      Time will tell...

      John

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    2. 5.59 pm, God's up there and we are down here. It's often life preserving to not draw attention to ourselves.

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  3. John, you are the only one who thinks it was not John.

    John, I am not going to read a whole book full of convoluted mumbo jumbo just to try to refute the clear message in the Bible.

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    1. Anon, Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 9:24:18 PM PST, wrote:

      "John, you are the only one who thinks it was not John.

      John, I am not going to read a whole book full of convoluted mumbo jumbo just to try to refute the clear message in the Bible."
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      Yes, whoever wrote the fourth gospel, John, is part of one of many very clear messages in the Bible.

      Who wrote that fourth book?

      John 21:20 "Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?"

      Why did Peter, rather than go himself and talk to Jesus, ask the disciple whom Jesus loved (tdwjl) to ask Jesus who the betrayer was?

      Peter knew who tdwjl was. Do you know? Why would anybody want to know the identity of this tdwjl?

      John 21: 24 "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true."

      That author/writer of the 4th gospel, identified himself that way: as tdwjl. Why do that?

      Who told you the book (tdwjl.com) was "full of convoluted mumbo jumbo?" It's obvious you didn't read the book, or you would not have written those foolish words.

      You don't need to know, at this time, so don't read the reader-friendly book and grow in a little more knowledge of Jesus Christ...e.g. learn why Peter didn't go directly to Jesus to learn who the betrayer was going to be. Jesus knew, and Jesus taught tdwjl, who needed to know. After all, it was Jesus' God/Father, by His Spirit (Zech 4:6; I Cor 8:6), who was actually revealing (Acts 15:18; Heb 4:3) the information and inspiring all that was happening...as an example for our learning.

      It appears you didn't even judge the book by its cover, but you're ready to blame/judge something you know virtually nothing about, and that is obvious to myself...and many others who also learned that the 4th gospel wasn't written by John.

      Again, you don't need to know, but you'll learn it later after you are resurrected, unless you learn about it earlier, but...

      Time will tell...and in the meantime, enjoy a delightful Sabbath!

      John

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    2. Ah, take the time 9:24! I went to the site and speed read the flip book, and found the basic premise both interesting, and feasible. And, no, I am not going to be a scene spoiler.

      We do preach the value of an open mind around here, so we've got to practice that ourselves.

      BB

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    3. SPOILER: The book suggests Lazarus as the beloved disciple and author of "John's" Gospel. All serious scholars disagree. It would be equally plausible to suggest that Mary Magdalene was the un-named beloved disciple.

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    4. Anon, Saturday, January 11, 2025 at 5:22:20 AM PST, wrote:

      "SPOILER: The book suggests Lazarus as the beloved disciple and author of "John's" Gospel. All serious scholars disagree. It would be equally plausible to suggest that Mary Magdalene was the un-named beloved disciple."
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      Who told you "all serious scholars disagree," because it is a lie?

      What's a serious scholar? Those that turn a seemingly "blind eye" to Jesus' second coming to earth after His murder, 3 days/nights in grave, resurrection, visiting His Father, and then returning to earth for a second time: a Biblical second coming?

      Aren't those serious scholars still looking for a "second coming" with some Jesus to come to earth and reign for 1,000 years? Where is He? Is that Jesus supposed to be at the Father's right hand and on earth at the same time?

      I assume you pay a lot of attention to serious scholars, especially to suggest and say the following: "...It would be equally plausible to suggest that Mary Magdalene was the un-named beloved disciple..."

      Where did you get that thinking? Now, I'm not saying that you are stupid, but that thought is a stupid one, but you didn't even read the suggested book at tdwjl.com, because you would never ever conclude thinking like that.

      Apparently, you never even read the verses (John 21:10, 24) presented above, especially verse 24, which tells us very plainly that:

      "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true." J ohn 21: 24

      Notice the word, oh, spoiler alert: "his!"

      Hence, the 4th gospel book was not written by any female.

      It is blatenly impossible and/or stupid to "suggest that Mary Magdalene was the un-named beloved disciple.

      Again, I'm not saying you are stupid, so don't be offended, but such a thought about Mary Magdalene is stupid, and if you don't believe that:

      Time will tell...

      John


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    5. Byker Bob, Saturday, January 11, 2025 at 1:14:02 AM PST, wrote:

      Ah, take the time 9:24! I went to the site and speed read the flip book, and found the basic premise both interesting, and feasible. And, no, I am not going to be a scene spoiler.

      We do preach the value of an open mind around here, so we've got to practice that ourselves.
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      BB,

      That was excellent, common sense, advice that you provided for 9:24. If that 9:24 individual takes your advice something may be learned by the individual, and the book itself, as far as I know, has nothing to do with HWA, Ambassador College hirelings who fled Pasadena to go off and do their own things with their own messages, or any of the scattered, confused, man-made spin-off organizations, associations, groups, etc.

      Will 9:24 take any of your advice?

      Time will tell...

      John

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  4. If CCOG's "sins" are the cause of the fires, why did one of them get very close to the home of the UCG-Los Angeles Pastor?

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    1. I'm sorry, but Bob's HQ-roof-destroying tornado is a much stronger "message from God" than a fire that doesn't burn even an inch of the UCG pastor's home. You might even speculate that the UCG pastor was "spared by God" while so many others had to suffer loss. Bob suffered loss when God sent that tornado and failed to spare him.

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  5. I notice that in the history of Armstrong churches, they like to quote "these are the beginnings of sorrows" and make it sound as though they signal the imminent return of Christ. But they dodge quoting "do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet."

    History shows various disasters, wars, earthquakes, odd weather patterns over the centuries. It seems irresponsible to be a "boy who cries wolf" every time something happens, predicting our Messiah's return, when we should know we really are guessing at our doomsaying and most likely wrong. Being wrong in this way can induce disappointment and cynicism in people and possibly turn them away from trust in God.

    It is irresponsible to ground the call to repentance on speculation about end-time events. The need for repentance is relevant to all people through history, no matter if we live ten or ten-thousand years before Christ's return.

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  6. The climate change that people like to deny because it interferes with their perpetual growth and expansion agenda has once again manifested itself. It's not as if the angels reported to God that there were bunches of people munching out in each other up there in Altadena, so suddenly the punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah was visited upon them.

    Back when I lived on E. New York Drive, and later on Lake Avenue, this level of destruction would have been unimaginable. There was good hiking as one traveled from the edge of a foothills city to places like Chaney Trail or Eaton Canyon, which were easily accessible. Listening to talk radio this afternoon, I learned that 9 of the firefighters who were right at the forefront of the effort to bring the fire under control were doing so with the full knowledge that their own houses and all their physical possessions had already been lost to the fire. 9 firemen! Dedicated servants such as these brave men do not need some bastard of a preacher using a disaster to take cheap shots with his so-called "gospel" message. What they would appreciate, and what would actually make a difference is a little participation in community spirit, a little volunteerism. HWA was never real big on that, was he?

    BB

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  7. Anon 408
    You are correct in your assessment of Armstrongs misuse of Matthew 24:4-8, even as climate change proponents continue to "cry wolf" with every hurricane, snow storm or forest fire. Both falsely do this to prop up their own narrative and agenda.

    As you point out, various disasters, wars, and odd weather patterns have always existed. What Jesus is referring to belongs to future, the seals of Revelation, which is prophecy, not history!

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  8. Just for the record, global climate change is an outgrowth of the Industrial Revolution, combined with the population explosion facilitated through advances in the medical field. It is unprecedented in human history, and the causes are actually identifiable through precise measurement of the greenhouse gases and other chemicals in the upper atmosphere. It is one of the totally correctible events in what is known as the Holocene Extinction. It is natural punishment, God allowing man to self-punish for abuses which are known but not corrected. The agenda of those advocating for change is the saving of the planet, although various false flags are being assigned to them.
    People accuse the advocates of being stooges to the Chinese, who are actually leaders in controlling runaway population, and in clean air technology particularly in the automotive industry.

    You may need to get out once in a while, and read more widely!

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  9. Rev 1120
    "Just for the record"? " totally correctable "? " the agenda of those advocating for change"?

    So I need to read more? More of what?

    There are respectable scientists who would disagree with the present narrative but I'm sure you have a negative label for them so I will not belabor. It does go to show there are 2 sides to every argument, there will always be an opinion that contradicts another, liberal or conservative bias, a political party, a religious group, which promotes itself as being right and the true authority. In reality, we really have no way of knowing ANYTHING perfectly.

    That being the case, I tend to factor into any equation, whose narrative are we hearing, whose agenda is behind it, and who stands to profit from it. Then I will filter that through the scriptural insights concerning the attributes of "man", the nature of this world system, the love of money and power, and surprisingly a lot of things begin to make sense. It's not full proof but what is?

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  10. Why of course I've got a negative label for the scientists you have referred to, Bp8! Those are the fossil fuel industries' "Dr. Hoeh's"! Bought and paid for men and women who rush around trying to sound authoritative and scientific as they disingenuously support their bosses or patrons with garbage! The real scientists know this all too well, but there is little they can do to counter the assault as the ruiners of the planet attempt for now to control the narrative. Those who were and are fooled by Hoeh (and Hislop) have no problem embracing these birds of the same feather! As with Armstrongism, the problem will soon self-obviate to the point where denial is simply no longer possible. To the hyper perceptive amongst us, that will become more and more obvious soon after Jan.20! He who hath been given sufficient rope will actually hang himself (and us, for a while!)

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