Doug Winnail has written another letter to the faithful on how they all need to learn to work together, living in harmony, and be perfectly joined together.
The Importance of Working Together: Jesus referred to His disciples as His friends and encouraged them to “love one another (John 15:12–17). The Apostle Paul called those who assisted him in his ministry “my fellow workers” (Romans 16:3). Working together smoothly is a skill that we can learn, and the Bible gives us important guidelines. We are instructed to be “perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” and not let contentions divide us (1 Corinthians 1:10–13). We are to be humble; live in harmony; be patient; avoid being haughty, conceited, or ambitious; and be willing to yield (Romans 12:16–18; James 3:14–18). Proverbs 13:10 reminds us that pride is a major cause of contention, and Galatians 5:16–26 teaches us that using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissension and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship. Are you developing these skills?Have a profitable Sabbath,Douglas S. Winnail”
Beautiful words. Truly inspiring. Now let’s examine how the Living Church of God and every other Church of God splinter actually lives them.
While Winnail lectures the rank-and-file about developing the skills of humility, harmony, yielding, and eliminating dissension, the leadership of LCG and its fellow alphabet groups (UCG, PCG, COGWA, and the rest of the post-WCG wreckage) have spent the last thirty years proving they have zero interest in any of it. They split, they accused, they disfellowshiped, they competed for members and tithes, and they built separate little empires. Then they turn around and tell the people in the pews to “love one another” and “be perfectly joined together in the same mind.”
Apparently, the “fellow workers” verse only applies inside one organization at a time. Cross the invisible line into another COG group, and suddenly the same Bible that demands unity becomes a weapon for calling the other side Laodicean, rebellious, or compromised. Pride is supposedly the big problem—except when it’s the pride of the men at the top who refuse to yield an inch of control or admit that maybe their particular split wasn’t God’s idea after all.
Members are constantly reminded to be patient, humble, and willing to yield. The leadership? Not so much. They will happily quote Paul calling people “fellow workers” while treating every other COG as competition rather than co-laborers. The same men who demand that members stop being “haughty, conceited, or ambitious” have spent decades protecting their own positions, their own magazines, their own feast sites, and their own authority structures. Cooperation? Only if it doesn’t threaten anyone’s paycheck or title.
The real message behind Winnail’s article is not actually about unity at all. It is about keeping the members focused on fixing themselves while the leadership continues the very behaviors the article condemns. The splits happened because of pride, contentions, and unwillingness to yield at the highest levels—yet the solution offered is always the same: the people in the seats need to try harder to get along. The men running the organizations never seem to be the ones who need to develop those skills.
If LCG and the other groups were serious about the verses they love to quote, we would see actual attempts at reconciliation instead of endless doctrinal one-upmanship and quiet competition for the same shrinking pool of members. We would see joint efforts, shared resources, and leaders willing to swallow their pride for the sake of the “one body” they claim to represent. Instead, we get thirty years of parallel universes, each claiming to be the faithful remnant while refusing to sit at the same table with the other remnants.
This is not unity. This is managed division dressed up in Sabbath-keeping language. The leadership gets to keep their separate thrones, their separate authority, and their separate income streams, while the members get the weekly guilt trip about not loving one another enough. The hypocrisy is not subtle—it is the entire operating model.
Until the men at the top of these groups are willing to practice the humility, yielding, and cooperation they demand from everyone else, articles like Winnail’s will remain nothing more than pious-sounding reminders that the real rules only apply downward. The Bible they cite calls for one mind and one body. What the Church of God movement has delivered is a dozen separate bodies, each convinced it alone has the mind of God. That is not a failure of the members. That is a failure of leadership that has never been willing to take its own medicine.
I asked Doug one time why the various church leaders could not get together in a common church organization, and he told me the other guys were not interested.
ReplyDeleteSo there you have the real reason - the other guys.
No, no, not me
Its the other guys you see.
Anon, Monday, June 15, 2026 at 1:29:50 PM PDT, wrote:
DeleteI asked Doug one time why the various church leaders could not get together in a common church organization, and he told me the other guys were not interested.
So there you have the real reason - the other guys.
No, no, not me
Its the other guys you see.
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Doug and the other guys?
The illustration presented shows what almost appears to be doghouses with men shown above representing lcg, ucg, pcg, cogwa, rcg manmade doghouses...and no doghouse for Bob Thiel, and rightly so for him. Let's hope Bob won't be offended by that, b/c he is actually in his own pigeonhole, where he only sees himSELF and no others.
Then again, it may be that each of the leaders are in their own pigeonholes, and unable to see anyone else.
Those doghouses or pigeonholes, in addition to the spiritual milk they, like babes, possess, seem to be about all that they have in common.
When will these babes (I Peter 2:2) explain why/how their doghouse or pigeonhole is the one that all should visit and allow them to grow in grace and in knowledge of Jesus Christ?
Time will tell...
John
Oh, about the time they decide to pass out their blinders, John!
DeleteI don't see a problem with what Douglas wrote, however those things that he mentioned and those NT scriptures would have been useful and appliciable back before 1995.
ReplyDeleteIt's "a day late and a dollar short."
There is one problem I think. A rather big one.
DeletePriscilla and Aquila (the ones named in Romans 16:3) famously: taught Apollos; explained “the way of God more accurately” (Acts 18:26). They gave direct doctrinal instruction - done by a married couple, not apostles or elders. Priscilla and Aquila also hosted a congregation in their home (Romans 16:5; 1 Corinthians 16:19).
So Paul’s “fellow workers” were ordinary believers who taught, travelled, hosted congregations, strengthened the churches, and partnered with him in gospel ministry - this is a decentralised, gift‑driven model, not a hierarchical one.. See also Acts 18.
Armstrongist groups neither encourage nor permit the kind of shared ministry we see with Priscilla, Aquila, and Paul’s other “fellow workers.” Their system is hierarchical, with doctrinal teaching and congregational leadership reserved for ordained ministers. The New Testament pattern is decentralised and gift‑driven; the Armstrongist pattern is centralised and authority‑driven.
“The New Testament pattern is decentralised and gift‑driven; the Armstrongist pattern is centralised and authority‑driven.”
DeleteThe one example that the Armstrongist could point to in the Old Testament as far as government and “the work” being done is using the example of the days of Ezra and Nehemiah. There was no king. However, there were the two prophets Zechariah and Haggai, the high priest was Joshua, Zerrububel was the governor or political leader, Ezra was a scribe and a priest, and Nehemiah was a governor. Many other people had important roles. There were different leaders with different leadership styles. The work that had to be done was building the temple. Armstorngism wanted a king type of structure.
Also another thing is that there were prophets like Agabus in the NT , when reading Acts 11:27-29, but they had the spirit, and they warned people ahead of time like things from the outside world like famines.
Indeed 10.49 most interesting how prophets operated freely in that NT church without seeking approval to speak, Cheers
DeleteAnd yet when church groups actually DO try to do something together - such as Aaron Dean and Robert Thiel (cited below) - it's called "fraud" and a "hoodwink" job.
ReplyDeleteSo what WILL satisfy you? Really?
Bob is not a legitimate COG leader. His so-called ministry is one of fraud and deception from the very beginning. If Dean and Thiel were combined into one church most people would be surprised and slightly intreged, but Thiel has spent years badmouthing UCG and other COG groups, and now he wants to use UCG's coattails and get his group registered in Africa. It is a devious way of manipulating the government into thinking it's all UCG. It is all deception and fraud. I am a UCG member and I am totally disgusted by the fact that Dean is pandering to Thiel's wishes. This will not turn out well for UCG.
DeleteFeastgoer they want the church congregations destroyed and only a virtual online congregations to exist.
DeleteThiel and Evans have finally given up pressuring Priscilla into reconciliation with Evil Adulterating Radson Mulowzoa of Malawi according to Sources, problem is they have to figure out a way to cover the current marriage he's in with Patricia Sambani. What will Bob do, tell Radson to stay single? Try to pass Sambani off as a new wife? Tell Radson to look for a New Wifey 😆 Bobs in a mess. I think he says a Divorced Man can't be a Minister, but Bob claims Apostolic succession and he can bind or loose sins in Heaven, so Bob can most likely convince his dwindling supporters that he has the Keys of Heaven and the Power to make Radson come out clean. Only time will tell..
Delete"Love one another" and "the people in the seats need to try harder to get along," but what's religiously not mentioned is rights. It's the thingy that defines who owns what, and without respect for these rights, it's the wild, wild west.
ReplyDeleteThe ministers and many like minded members reject this since they believe that they have all rights and others have non.
Not being able to lord it over, and get their jollies by walking all over members is unthinkable to these "ministers."
Doug Winnail falsely claims that: "... Galatians 5:16–26 teaches us that using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissension and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship. Are you developing these skills?..."
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Doug has not developed those skills, so how will those he lords it over be able to develop them?
Galatians 5 does not teach us anything about "using God's Spirit," because that is impossible to do.
It is God who uses His Spirit (Zech 4:6) to accomplish His Will in our lives while we are the workmanship of His hands.
When will Doug begin to use God's Spirit? So far, he never has, but...
Time will tell.
John
Doug Winnail falsely claims that: "... Galatians 5:16–26 teaches us that using God’s Spirit is a key to eliminating dissension and promoting peace, cooperation, and friendship. Are you developing these skills?..."
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Doug has not developed those skills, so how will those he lords it over be able to develop them?
Galatians 5 does not teach us anything about "using God's Spirit," because that is impossible to do.
It is God who uses His Spirit (Zech 4:6) to accomplish His Will in our lives while we are the workmanship of His hands.
When will Doug begin to use God's Spirit? So far, Doug never has developed using God's Spirit, but...
Time will tell.
John
Is love what made Bryce leave, Raymond F. McNair leave, Haney leave, Monson ? (Even the ministers don't even love each other).
ReplyDeleteIn the church splitting there has been great protection, many won't agree but there has been.
ReplyDeleteThat depends on what splinter you end up in, 10:53! I would agree with you to the extent that the splinters do provide options, because each presents an interpretation of the generally believed basic package of HWA doctrines.
DeleteThe problem is, the weakest members are subject to the fear rhetoric and extreme enforcement that the most authoritarian groups practice. Members are intimidated, impoverished, and their families ruined, because a deeper level of brainwashing is used. It is apparent to all outsiders that no one group has been set apart as the specially blessed one. They are all languishing in the doldrums, while their leaders work overtime, each doing their best to convince members that theirs is the true Philadelphian remnant. As such, any church-wide "mantle" has been proven to be purely imaginary, if one does even a small amount of objective thinking. The best hope for most of these folk lies in the realization that there is no one true splinter. Therefore, their fate isn't up to the church, or being a member of the right one. The onus falls upon the individual and his or her relationship with God. Each splinter may have individual believers from whom the fruits of the Spirit flow, in some cases not because of, but in spite of what their splinter teaches. Actually, what we see today may even be, in the words of David Byrne and the Talking Heads, "the same as it ever was".
Opinions vary not all splinters followed "HWA doctrines" some followed the STP.
DeleteQuestion I attended lcg for a short time. What did I see, the same old thing as ww. small group of friends, ministers talking to the same people, ministers listening to the spies. Why do the elders and leaders do this. They should be told on the spot I don't want to hear that. then give a few hard messages on harmony, brotherly love and such.. They were giving me a bad attitude so eye left!
ReplyDeleteHope you have one eye left
DeleteMy stomach!!! Thank you for that, 1:31,😹
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