Bob Thiel is back with his repeat article where he gets all prissy about Banned claiming tithing is no longer commanded. The fact still remains, tithing is not a New Covenant command. Bob Thiel and the improperly named "continuing" Church of God still continue to lie that it is because he still erroneously believes large parts of the Mosaic system are still binding on New Covenant Christians. That is the Armstrongist package. It is not what the apostles taught the churches.
Tithing as a required tenth (and sometimes two or three tenths) was Israel’s covenant tax for Levites, festivals, and the poor. The New Testament replaces that system with generous, voluntary, Spirit-prompted giving. Jesus did not install a Christian tithe. Paul never commanded one. The early churches did not practice one as law.
What Thiel actually teaches
Thiel’s CCOG statement of beliefs and his long article Tithing Questions and Some Answers are explicit. Tithes belong to God (Leviticus 27:30). Faithful Christians follow Jesus’ words in Matthew 23:23. Because the priesthood changed, tithes now go to “those representing Christ’s ministry” (Hebrews 7). They teach first tithe for the work, second tithe for feast travel and food, and third tithe in years 3 and 6 of a seven-year cycle for the poor. They apply Malachi 3:8–10 to Christians: withholding tithes is robbing God. They argue tithing predates Moses (Abraham and Jacob), so it cannot be “just Mosaic.” They insist it applies to all increase—wages, not only farm produce.
That is consistent Armstrongism. Herbert W. Armstrong treated tithing as a living financial law. After the old Worldwide Church of God abandoned those teachings, remnant groups kept them. Thiel presents CCOG as the place the “most faithful” should send the money.
The arguments sound biblical until you put them in covenant context.
Thiel’s CCOG statement of beliefs and his long article Tithing Questions and Some Answers are explicit. Tithes belong to God (Leviticus 27:30). Faithful Christians follow Jesus’ words in Matthew 23:23. Because the priesthood changed, tithes now go to “those representing Christ’s ministry” (Hebrews 7). They teach first tithe for the work, second tithe for feast travel and food, and third tithe in years 3 and 6 of a seven-year cycle for the poor. They apply Malachi 3:8–10 to Christians: withholding tithes is robbing God. They argue tithing predates Moses (Abraham and Jacob), so it cannot be “just Mosaic.” They insist it applies to all increase—wages, not only farm produce.
That is consistent Armstrongism. Herbert W. Armstrong treated tithing as a living financial law. After the old Worldwide Church of God abandoned those teachings, remnant groups kept them. Thiel presents CCOG as the place the “most faithful” should send the money.
The arguments sound biblical until you put them in covenant context.
What tithing actually was
Under Moses, Israel was a theocratic nation with a landless priestly tribe. Tithes supported Levites (Numbers 18), funded pilgrimage feasts (Deuteronomy 14:22–27), and every third year helped Levites, sojourners, orphans, and widows (Deuteronomy 14:28–29). Combined, the system was closer to 20–23% in some years than a neat 10%. It was tied to the land, the temple, and the Levitical order.
Abraham’s tenth to Melchizedek (Genesis 14) was a one-time gift from war spoils, not a standing tax on income. Jacob’s tenth (Genesis 28) was a vow. Neither is a law that binds the church. If “Abraham did it before Sinai” makes tithing a creation ordinance, the same logic would keep circumcision—which Abraham also practiced, and which the apostles explicitly refused to impose on Gentile believers (Acts 15; Galatians 5).
Jesus and Matthew 23:23
This is what Thiel imagines as his strongest-looking verse. Jesus tells Pharisees they tithe mint, dill, and cumin but neglect justice, mercy, and faithfulness: “These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.”
He was speaking to Jews still under the Mosaic covenant, before the cross. In the same discourse, He talks about the temple, oaths, and other law-keeping. He Himself was “born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). He also told a healed leper to offer the gift Moses commanded (Matthew 8:4). No serious reader treats that as a standing command for Christians to bring animals to a temple that no longer exists.
Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17; Romans 10:4). After His death, the ceremonial and civic scaffolding of Israel’s covenant—priesthood, sacrifices, food laws as covenant markers, and the tithe that funded that system—does not transfer automatically to the multi-ethnic church.
Hebrews 7 does not re-enact the tithe
Armstrongists lean hard on Hebrews 7. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek; Levi, still “in Abraham’s loins,” paid tithes through him; therefore the greater priesthood (Christ’s) still receives tithes.
That is not the author’s point. Hebrews 7 argues that Melchizedek’s priesthood is superior to Levi’s, that Jesus is priest forever after that order, and that “when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well” (Hebrews 7:12). The next verses say the former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (7:18–19). The whole letter is about the old covenant becoming obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). Using a historical illustration of Abraham’s gift to prove a mandatory 10% church tax reverses the argument.
Under Moses, Israel was a theocratic nation with a landless priestly tribe. Tithes supported Levites (Numbers 18), funded pilgrimage feasts (Deuteronomy 14:22–27), and every third year helped Levites, sojourners, orphans, and widows (Deuteronomy 14:28–29). Combined, the system was closer to 20–23% in some years than a neat 10%. It was tied to the land, the temple, and the Levitical order.
Abraham’s tenth to Melchizedek (Genesis 14) was a one-time gift from war spoils, not a standing tax on income. Jacob’s tenth (Genesis 28) was a vow. Neither is a law that binds the church. If “Abraham did it before Sinai” makes tithing a creation ordinance, the same logic would keep circumcision—which Abraham also practiced, and which the apostles explicitly refused to impose on Gentile believers (Acts 15; Galatians 5).
Jesus and Matthew 23:23
This is what Thiel imagines as his strongest-looking verse. Jesus tells Pharisees they tithe mint, dill, and cumin but neglect justice, mercy, and faithfulness: “These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.”
He was speaking to Jews still under the Mosaic covenant, before the cross. In the same discourse, He talks about the temple, oaths, and other law-keeping. He Himself was “born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). He also told a healed leper to offer the gift Moses commanded (Matthew 8:4). No serious reader treats that as a standing command for Christians to bring animals to a temple that no longer exists.
Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17; Romans 10:4). After His death, the ceremonial and civic scaffolding of Israel’s covenant—priesthood, sacrifices, food laws as covenant markers, and the tithe that funded that system—does not transfer automatically to the multi-ethnic church.
Hebrews 7 does not re-enact the tithe
Armstrongists lean hard on Hebrews 7. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek; Levi, still “in Abraham’s loins,” paid tithes through him; therefore the greater priesthood (Christ’s) still receives tithes.
That is not the author’s point. Hebrews 7 argues that Melchizedek’s priesthood is superior to Levi’s, that Jesus is priest forever after that order, and that “when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well” (Hebrews 7:12). The next verses say the former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (7:18–19). The whole letter is about the old covenant becoming obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). Using a historical illustration of Abraham’s gift to prove a mandatory 10% church tax reverses the argument.
Hebrews 7:
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:
You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.[a]
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
If Hebrews 7 reimposed tithing, it is strange that the rest of the New Testament never tells a single congregation to do it.
What the apostles actually commanded
Paul organized a collection for poor saints in Jerusalem (1 Corinthians 16:1–2; 2 Corinthians 8–9). The principles are:
- Set something aside on the first day of the week, as one may prosper.
- Give according to what you have, not what you do not have.
- Give not reluctantly or under compulsion.
- God loves a cheerful giver.
- Sowing bountifully and sparingly have consequences.
That silence is not an accident. If a 10% (or 23%) legal requirement remained, the man who fought circumcision so fiercely would have said so.
The New Covenant promise is the law written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:31–34; Hebrews 8), not a recycled Levitical payroll. Believers are not under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14). That does not mean stinginess. It means the floor is no longer a tax bracket and the motive is no longer “or you are robbing God.”
History does not rescue the doctrine
The first-century church supported ministers and the poor by freewill gifts and shared possessions (Acts 2, 4; Didache). Second-century writers such as Irenaeus contrasted Jewish constraint with Christian liberty: Christians give freely, not the lesser portion. The Didascalia said Christians were not bound to tithes and firstfruits in the old way.
Mandatory ecclesiastical tithing as a fixed percentage enforceable by church (and later civil) law is a later development—clearly visible in sixth-century Western councils such as Mâcon (585), not in the apostolic age. Thiel’s claim that “the original catholic church” tithed as CCOG does overreads later practice back onto the New Testament.
Why the Armstrongist version is especially burdensome
Even among tithe-advocates, three full tithes is a minority reconstruction. Many scholars see overlapping descriptions of the same tithe used in different ways, not a stacked 20–23% annual levy plus feast travel. Binding that reconstruction on Christians, then directing it to one remnant organization as the storehouse, turns a disputed Old Testament administrative question into a test of loyalty.
Thiel notes he takes no salary. That is personally commendable and irrelevant to whether the law exists. A teacher can be unpaid and still be wrong about the covenant, which he consistently is.
Even among tithe-advocates, three full tithes is a minority reconstruction. Many scholars see overlapping descriptions of the same tithe used in different ways, not a stacked 20–23% annual levy plus feast travel. Binding that reconstruction on Christians, then directing it to one remnant organization as the storehouse, turns a disputed Old Testament administrative question into a test of loyalty.
Thiel notes he takes no salary. That is personally commendable and irrelevant to whether the law exists. A teacher can be unpaid and still be wrong about the covenant, which he consistently is.
What Christians are commanded to do
Give. Support those who labor in the word. Help the poor, especially the household of faith. Do it regularly, proportionally, secretly where possible, and cheerfully. For many people a tenth is a wise starting discipline. For some it is too little; for some in hardship it would be crushing. The New Testament refuses to freeze that into a statute with a curse attached.
Malachi 3 was a rebuke to post-exilic Judah for starving the temple system God had actually commanded them. Quoting it as if every paycheck that does not send 10% to Grover Beach is temple robbery is covenant confusion.
Tithing as Armstrongism defines it is not a New Covenant command. Generous giving is. The difference is not a loophole for greed. It is the difference between living under a fulfilled law and living as people who already belong to the One who owns everything—and who gave more than a tenth.
Even if tithing is required in the NT or not, nobody should be required to tithe to splinterdom. All the splits and schisms. Where does the money go, we know. But when you don't have buildings and colleges brick and mortar buildings that you own. Since that's all gone (along with those tithes from the 40s to the early 90s), what's there to support now, a group of men that want to lord it over you.
ReplyDeleteThere is no requirement for Christians to tithe. But perhaps if one of the Armstrong splits can provide positive proof of real year on year growth over the last decade, then some may be persuaded to support them finically. Better ways to spend that hard earned cash I’m afraid. It’s only a matter of time before their disappearance from the scene. Armstrongism is slowly being buried under the weight of evidence against them and their gospel.
ReplyDeleteBob's problem is that he never researched the correct way to get the cannon. He uses the harlot cannon from the harlot daughters of Babylon.
ReplyDeleteTithing is not even an Old Covenant command -- Ex 20-24.
ReplyDelete6:41 I believe you mean "tithing money" is not even an Old Covenant command.
DeleteWe can tell we are getting close to God's Feast days. Satan is like a devouring lion here.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment 6:52. The same thing happens just before Passover gets near as well. But as Tabernacles gets close they indeed go worse.
DeleteComment on the law being useless: What is useless about not murdering, lying, stealing, coveting, respecting your parents etc? The law was given to show people how to live happily.
ReplyDeleteExactly 7:25.
DeleteThe very Bible you pick and choose from states exactly that…the law is useless. Read it for once!
DeleteRom. 7:12 The law is holy, just, and good.
DeleteThe law was useless, unprofitable, ineffectual: NRSV: 18 There is, on the one hand, the abrogation of an earlier commandment because it was weak and ineffectual 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); there is, on the other hand, the introduction o
DeleteNKJV: 18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing [a]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
AKJV: 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
ESV: 18 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
Look, "the law" does not bring "happiness". Happiness is a totally separate thing, a temporary emotion like anger, sadness, fear, or hope, It is never a constant state. Otherwise, you would not appreciate it when it comes along. A human can be very very happy while in bed committing adultery with someone else's spouse!. Someone once said that humans are gods in the bodies of animals. We are often governed by, driven by, or dragged down by our emotions. In the future, spirit beings will not need commandments against murder (you can't murder a fellow spirit being) lying (we'll be able to read one anothers thoughts) or stealing (no need for a spirit being to own private property). Jesus indicated that the sabbath (and we can also deduce from that the very concept of time) was made for man.
ReplyDeleteWhat "the law" does is to provide a very basic societal structure in which people can live in freedom and safety. You get to take your wife out dancing without all kinds of guys leering at her or hitting on her while you're in the bathroom! Israel was a theocracy. Tithing was their God-given form of taxation and welfare. Secular, gentile societies (such as those we Anglo-Saxon gentiles have in place) have systems of taxation (allegedly to support government, military defense, and care for the helpless), and a well-established practice of supporting those from whom we receive our spiritual guidance with free-will offerings. There is no example in the Bible of priests being extremely wealthy, with multiple homes, grand chariots, and works of art and expensive jewelry in which the leaders of the ACOGs have frequently indulged themselves. (while, ahem!, begging for or demanding more!)
One of the handful of reasons I left Armstrongism is that it became very apparent that Armstrongism was a man-made religious philosophy in search of, or want of a greater concept, that somehow it never found. As such, it was very flawed and pretentious in claiming to have all the answers, but refusing to answer very valid hardball questions. There is a phrase "desceptive in its simplicity" The teachings of HWA were simplistic in their desceptions. So long as you didn't go too deep in your thought processes, and simply accepted whatever they taught you, you were said to have the Holy Spirit. The problem is that the fruits described in the New Testament were not there. Works, conjured up by sheer will power in adhering to their version of "the law" were substituted. Under test? Poof! They vanished when the real fruits would have become stronger. Ever wonder about healings?
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Also, no one needs to give anyone a tithe, because as Christians we are all priests under the New Covenant and have been given bold access to the throne of grace. Through Christ, our Great High Priest, we can bring ourselves and our petitions directly before the merciful seat of God Almighty.
ReplyDeleteChrist 1) removed the barrier of sin through His once-for-all sacrifice, accomplishing what the continual sacrifices of the Levitical priests could never accomplish; 2) removed the need for an earthly priestly mediator to enter the Most Holy Place on our behalf. He became our eternal High Priest, giving us access to God through Him every day—not merely once a year; 3) fulfilled and rendered obsolete the temporary Levitical priesthood, which could never bring God's people to perfection.
Christ Himself is the Way by which we draw near to God. His sacrifice cleanses us; His righteousness gives us standing before the Father; and His continual intercession gives us confidence to approach His throne of grace. We don't need another priest standing between us and God—we have Christ, our eternal Great High Priest.
Excellent article. Gets to the core of matters quickly.
ReplyDeleteThe Circumcision Model I believe is most useful to follow. You can circumcise in the flesh if you want to, but it is not a requirement for salvation.
Armstrongism by making tithing a requirement for salvation causes giving to be done out of fear rather than love. This is the leitmotif of Armstrongism.
It is about stifling love and bowing before fear - usually the fear of legalism.
My guess is that the members of the Jerusalem Church continued to tithe. But it was done for ethical, cultural or liturgical reasons. Not because they recognized it as a requirement for salvation. Otherwise, we would see a great battle between James, Paul and the author of Hebrews play out in the pages of the New Testament.
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Garner Ted when in the throes of sexual lust for others was well known to write sexual innduendo in church articles. Scripture warns of God hinself giving such men over to be ruled by such desires.
ReplyDeletePeople need to wise up and realize that religion is and always has been political theater.
ReplyDeleteOne of the issues that blinds many in Armstrongism regarding tithing is the context of tithing within a system that is top heavy in Old Covenant (like 70%) of the religion. This was the actual problem with worldwide involving their version of the gospel. The R/WCG declared the gospel was mainly (90%) about the Kingdom of God.
ReplyDeleteInstead of the main message or theme of the gospel being about Jesus Christ and how Christ can work within the christian, it was about the 1,000 reign of Christ ruling on earth (which is a part of the gospel) but that does nothing for the current christian as that is in the future. The Kingdom of God is the resolution of the gospel, but it’s not the entire gospel message. They made that the main theme of the gospel. Unfortunately the laity is forced to tithe to support another gospel (Gal 1:6-9). This is what Keith Slough mentions in his series on YT. When you really read the apostles and what they wrote concerning the gospel message, the majority of it regards Christ and what he did and is doing since He is High Priest.
So God gave the WCG a piece of their own medicine. Since they wanted an old covenant religion, he was displeased with them and he scattered them. So it doesn’t matter if you tithe or not, Armstorngism and their splinter group’s message is really hard to support in regards to tithing, because their message doesn’t translate or transfer things to the New Covenant such as Gen 12:1-3, but the apostles use this for the gospel Gal 3:7-8 & Acts 3:25-26 within the New Covenant.
By focusing their “gospel message” so much on territories, boundaries, dominion, prophecy, genealogies (theirs) and reigning, He scattered them OT style.
Deuteronomy 4:27 And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you.
Ancient Isreal was very much a theocracy. The tithes where given in the form of food to feed the ruling class, the Levites who could own land. The Levites where not only the religious leaders but also where the political leaders. Tithing was the tax system that funded the ancient nation of isreal. No need for us to tithe we already pay taxes!
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