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Thursday, August 25, 2011

Prophet Thiel: "King of the North/The Beast" Now Living In Connecticut With Family

Can Armstrongism get any sillier?  Why does Spanky Meredith put up with this kind of stupidity and the bad light it casts on his cult?  The lengths Prophet Bob goes to to find some connection with Armstrongite prophecy is appalling!


Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg
Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg
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Baron Karl zu Guttenberg is moving into a neighborhood with celebrities and may be fulfilling a prophecy (note the following was in German and I had it machine translated:

These are the new neighbors of the Guttenberg

Panorama 25/08/2011
GREENWICH…Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (39) now happy as a sabbatical year. A certain amount of time like he and his wife Stephanie (34) out of Germany. The U.S. is the target. The “Colorful” revealed now that the nice little house for the family – the two daughters come up with – will focus on: the state of Connecticut on the east coast…Now he has this caliber as neighbors: Star singer Diana Ross, the film divas Glenn Close and Meryl Streep and Jack Nicholson, Hollywood giant.  http://www.az-web.de/news/hochschule-detail-az/1791378?_link=&skip=&_g=Guttenberg-haelt-die-Laudatio-beim-AKV.html
The above is interesting as there is an old Eastern Orthodox prophecy about the Great Monarch (who seems to be the same person as the final King of the North in Bible prophecy) that states:
Anonymou Paraphrasis (10th century): The one true King, who is inhabiting a humid place to avoid the heat; whom men have expulsed from his own dwelling and gave a place to live in the islands; who is engaged in navigation and fishing every week; (this King): will be revealed when the time of the power of the Ishmaelites comes to an end. (Tzima Otto, p. 30)
The coastal portion of Connecticut, where he now owns a house near other celebrities, has been described as a humid subtropical climate.  Whether the Baron goes to islands, navigates, or fishes much, will be seen.  As regular readers of this page are aware, I have had my eye on one-time German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg since late 2009 as one who could possibly fulfill the role of the final King of the North.

I have expected that he would likely go abroad for some time, and reported that as well as the fact that I thought he may leave political office (before he did leave it) based upon the prophecies like the following (three translations shown):
21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)
21 “‘His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21 from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)
21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)
There is an interesting Eastern Orthodox prophecy that may apply to him which is in my article, Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North?, that I do not recall posting on this news page before:
Blessed Hieronymus Agathaghelos (1279): The suffering that lasted three years is providing you with serenity and the end of the sufferings that are already behind you. The one who despised your head will make plans leading to his own downfall, but his subsequent repentance will avail him nothing…Ruler…nobody will laugh at your expense and no one will cause you any shame (Tzima Otto, p. 130, 132).
So, he is supposed to be somewhat unpopular for three years according to the above prophecy and one or more critics pay for scandalizing him.  Whether the Baron’s period of being first being shamed combined with his self-imposed exile will last three years (and if one of his early critics will suffer somehow) is be something to watch for.  But interestingly, back in March 2011, it was reported:
According to political scientist Gerd Langguth from the University of Bonn, Guttenberg will not likely stay out of the public eye for long. He told the Wednesday edition of the Thüringer Allgemeine newspaper that he sees a comeback in about three years…Langguth said Guttenberg’s “honorable statements” on Tuesday had made such a return feasible. (http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110302-33437.html)
Whether he is the one or not, I believe that the Baron’s scandal and exile appear to be consistent with certain non-biblical prophecies about a leader commonly referred to as the Great Monarch and possibly biblical prophecies concerning the Beast, the final King of the North.

Here is another Eastern Orthodox prophecy about a the coming Great Monarch:
Monk Leontios (no later than 912): Go hurry to the West of the Seven-Hilled City; you will find there a man who is dear to Me; he is given to prayer, he has dark hair, honey-colored {sun-tanned skin}, he is gentle and noble-minded; he is cognizant of the things of the future; and on his right foot he has a sizable callosity (Tzima Otto, pp. 84,203–p. 203 says sun-tanned was a proper translation for “honey-colored”).
Being a Baron, one who suspect that Karl zu Guttenberg would be “noble-minded” (and he does have dark hair).  The photographs I have seen of him show him somewhat tanned and not nearly as white-skinned as some others in Germany.  If he is to become  “the Great Monarch”, he may well be exiling himself partially to fit various somewhat specific Eastern Orthodox prophecies.

Despite being out of political office, some have again hinted that Karl Guttenberg may be what the European Union needs.  Notice the following recent news item:
Of course, Europe isn’t exciting. Most people find disgraced former German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg infinitely more interesting than Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European Council. Thoughts of Europe call up images of eurocrats in Brussels, endless late-night meetings and the famous “butter mountains” created by the Common Agricultural Policy. There is little enthusiasm for the European project.  (How to Get Europeans to Care about Europe.  Spiegel Online, August 19, 2011.  http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,781303,00.html)
So, the disgraced Baron is exciting and this is what Europe needs according to some there.  The time may come when Baron Guttenberg may, indeed, again rise up.

If Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg eventually establishes a new religious order within Catholicism (cf. Daniel 11:38), promotes European unity, promotes ecumenism, promotes peace in the Middle East (even if he simply makes a statement endorsing it when he is in another land, including possibly while in the USA, cf. Daniel 9:26-27), and/or otherwise rises up in European politics, he could be very interesting to watch. If he is the one, his coming stay in the USA will give him better insight into the USA and probably contacts that he may exploit later, perhaps as a subterfuge for an attack on the USA (cf. Daniel 11:39).  If he also ends up on very good terms with Cardinal Koch (see Kurt Koch Made a Cardinal: Might He Become the Antichrist?) and/or other Catholic leaders, this may also be an indicator–and could be a strong indicator.

On the other hand, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg could simply be a normal politician, with ups and downs like many others. We will see.

Much is happening in the world, and a leader known as the final King of the North (or Beast) in Bible prophecy, will ultimately become the leader of Europe. And according to the Bible, he will have military abilities (Revelation 13:1-4) and apparently be popular and charismatic (cf. Daniel 7:20,11:21-24,31; Revelation 13:3-5).

Karl Guttenberg fulfills these requirements.

We all should watch (cf. Mark 13:37).


17 comments:

  1. Can Armstrongism get any sillier?

    Yes. Yes, it can.

    Just stay tuned.

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  2. I once thought Thiel might be a cut above some of the other Armstrong nutters out there. I know that's not saying much, and in the end I was wrong anyway.

    You have to love those old Mayan and Greek Orthodox prophecies. It is all so clear now.

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  3. Thiel is not a cut above. He is a bottom feeder just like Flurry, Pack, Cox and Meredith in the blatant lies they tell day in and day out.

    I spoke to a friend that works at LCG HQ about Thiel. They wish he would go away at times. Other times they love the attention he draws to LCG. They seem to think he is bringing in new members - i.e - new income to the church - which he has not.

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  4. Haha - everyone who ever attended WCG is a rip-roaring retard!

    Don't expect any change - its clinical emotional immaturity, before during and after WCG - you're all typed, it's who you are.

    Love it, lambast it, or just live with it any way you can.

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  5. Let's try that again. The Beast is about to swap heat for more humidity than he may have wanted. Irene cometh....

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  6. Actually after reading this, I recall fishing during the FOT in the waterways and Islands off Jekyll Island. It was humid and I did catch some fish.

    Do you think God is appointing me King of the South?

    Sadly and of course, this is bullshit

    M.T.Nets

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  7. You're all wrong. The beast lives in Amarillo(king of the north) and the king of the south lives in Houston because this IS hell!

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  8. I often think about trying to say something so extreme, so bizarre (but still at least marginally true), so more than two standard deviations beyond the mean, that it would be shocking, eye-popping, unique.

    Yet, nothing I can ever come up with can even be a pale rival to what the Armstrongists dream up with their mental disorders.

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  9. Yeah, it's all rooted in fantasy, conspiracies, and speculation. I remember that after L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology founder) passed away, someone close to him (possibly a son?) mentioned that Hubbard had concocted Dianetics and Scientology after a bunch of mescaline and acid trips during the 1950s.

    It's difficult to imagine Armstrongism being any weirder, but just imagine if it had been Norm working in HWA's house rather than No2HWA! Orange Sunshine in the coffee for an evangelist's meeting. The crap that would have resulted from that would probably not be any more bizarre than what we now watch unfolding daily as Armstrongism slides through the curves of its final death spiral!

    BB

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  10. Frontpage news:

    "The former WCG retard said to the COG retard, 'you are a retard!'"

    It sure takes one to know one, huh?

    Fortunately the Messiah died to save ALL retards, both HWA-hating retards and the COG retards.

    By the way, any 'baron' in this world is one 'cruel dude,' from cradle to grave. Stay out of his way!

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  11. It's been quite a few years since I ingested that type of substance, but I cannot think of dosing anyone without their knowledge as anything but a big NO-NO.

    As has been oft expressed, "set and setting" are key to the quality of outcome.

    I can hardy think of a worse set and setting than an evangelist's meeting in the old-school WCG!

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  12. Hey, Norm. I know you're a better human being than to dose some unknowing person. I just couldn't resist the humor value though since Thiel seems as if he's on some kind of bad trip. No aspersions cast towards you personally, though. There were most certainly some exemplary and ethical hippies who would have put some of the Christians to shame.

    BB

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  13. Thank you for allowing comments on what Dr. Thiel writes. That's certainly more than he allows.

    Anonymou Paraphrasis (10th century): The one true King, who is inhabiting a humid place to avoid the heat; whom men have expulsed from his own dwelling and gave a place to live in the islands;

    Who said this man was "expelled" from Germany? He resigned from the government on his own. He left on his own. It's not like the Dutch monarchy in around 1940.

    Someone ought to develop a COG version of TMZ - stopping Church of God leaders in the parking lot to ask questions about their pronouncements. Or maybe have newsmakers respond to those writings.

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  14. Richard,

    You are right on- couldn't agree more.

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  15. I've considered this site (and many others over the years) to be one of the ones willing to call "BULLSHIT!" on that armstrongist crap.

    High-five!!!

    I see this as one of the sites countering those others which are espousing their armstrongist garbage.

    It's like the TMZ thing mentioned.

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  16. This site, along with The Painful Truth is my main mainstay. I visit these sites more frequently than any others. It's where I get the bulk of my information and food for thought.

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