Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders

Thursday, March 29, 2012

The Journal: Platform For The Nut-jobs?



There is an online edition of the latest Journal that you can download as a pdf.  There is a lot of controversy still boiling around over the canon of the Bible, what belongs, what doesn't.  There is a long article about women speaking in church that has some really interesting points.

Most of it is just typical COG articles of interest. The thing that strikes me as kind of weird are the numerous paid advertisements from various COG ministers and members who write about some of the stupidest things.  The World Trade Center was an inside job, Illuminati silliness and more.  I also find it interesting that this kind of garbage makes it, yet Douglas had his article kicked back when he struck at the nerve of Armstrongism by debunking British Israelism.  That old apple cart can't be upset still, after 70 some years.

One crazy guy caught my attention so I thought I would check out his web site.  Below are just a few of the absurd things he preaches.  His name is Jan Young and below are just a few comments from a single days entry on March 10, 2012.  There are hundreds of other tidbits in that day's entry that are not even quoted here.  Conspiracy nut jobs will salivate at this morons web site.

The number 666 and All-Seeing-Eye are embedded in some movies and on TV. They are seen easily in plain sight, or slightly off the focus area, or only noticeable subconsciously.

There are 3 city-states: Vatican City (spiritual), “The City” in London (finance), and Washington DC (military, forces regime change)–the 3 parts of the All-Seeing-Eye triangle. Each with an Egyptian style obelisk for god Ra.

Just 6 months before 911 the (Larry) Silverstein Group bought the WTC for $3.2 billion, yet was to pay $200 million in renovations including asbestos removal. In court after 911 it was awarded billions so profited greatly. Larry increased insurance against terrorism weeks before 911. Marvin Bush, George’s brother, was head of security at WTC until just before 911–another coincidence?

Mostly non-ethnic Jews died in the Holocaust, not racially of Judah. Real Jews in Denmark and elsewhere escaped.
The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing created a 3.0 Richter scale signal, but only buried explosives could do that. Blasts above ground dissipate upward due to least resistance so there is little earth moving. The 3.0 corresponds to 100 tons of TNT (really a nuke blast?) buried deep under ground causing a crater, 60% of the blast going upwards. Not 2 tons of cheap fertilizer explosives. The blast collapsed or damaged 324 buildings.
Why else would Timothy McVeigh be indicted for WMD using a fertilizer bomb? A nuclear bomb produces an EMP frying all electronics in the area, and that happened.

Viet Nam war was for drugs of the Golden Triangle. US troops shipped home in body bags had drugs inside. Those alive became addicted and spread the habit in the US. Those in the military who protested were eliminated. War dissidents in the US were disrupted with ELF or microwaves used to make them crazy, slated for insane asylums and not believed.

Jonestown cult suicides were really CIA mind control victims with various mind control drugs evidenced by needle marks on the bodies, staged as suicides. Church of Satan founder LeVay worked for the CIA.

The logo for Time Warner Inc. is a variation on the Eye of Horus…Gradually, we’re are all being inducted into Satanism.”
“The Illuminati intermarry with other generational Satanists. It’s no coincidence that Chelsea Clinton married a Jewish investment banker, while Karenna Gore married the grandson of one.”

Freemasonry and the religion of most Jews is based on the Cabala, not the Bible. Copying the Skull and Bones Club, the Boule recruits top Blacks as civil rights activists to prepare to rule. Like other secret societies, they bond in sexual perversions.
Several people told of sexual abuses at Bohemian Grove for top male leaders, and that the ritual of a burned sacrifice of a real child does take place there, as many had suspected.

That top Freemasons sacrifice children 8 times a year on their high days, even tens of thousands of children. She gave details of their perversions, including bestiality. “She said 80-90% of the House of Representatives and 100% of the Senate belong to the Illuminati.”

 Freemasonry has Infiltrated the Boy Scouts. The OA was founded in 1915 by two 32° Masons and the rituals are patterned on Masonic rituals…These rituals–which include a blood covenant are being conferred upon innocent Boy Scouts…(This info) comes from a scout who has experienced demonic spiritual manifestations after his initiation into OA

 MI6 planted a nuclear bomb to cause the Dec. 26, 2004 Tsunami. “Indonesian Intelligences were duly warned and took action by taking out large insurance claims.”

Many Jewish prayers are said in Yiddish, as Bar Mitzvahs The young involved do not understand what they say and actually invoke demons in their rituals. Judaism is Lucifer worship. 

Armstrongism want its self to be taken seriously by the world as a legitimate church.  How can anyone with an intelligent brain ever claim they are when this is the kind of stuff that is passed off as truth in COG publications?

You can read this edition of The Journal here:  The Journal, Issue 148 - February 2012

41 comments:

  1. I once asked a "Dixon Cartwright" the following question:

    "Is there any real difference between men who make their living via cult and men who make their living CATERING to cults?"

    I never did get a response. This seems like a good time and place to ask it again!

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  2. Dixon is a personal friend and we have had many personal discussions about the whole WCG experience. The Journal is not a living for Dixon. It never has been. I think it is merely, as noted, a platform and one, if not the original one to help process the WCG experience.

    Advertising pays th bills for publication and that is just a reality if it is to exist.

    I have appreciated Dixon wading into the issues of the Canon. 99% of all COG types, especially the ministry, would never think the Bible is less than totally inspired of God. They have no clue or no public clue about issues of errancy and origins. They would never ask the good questions a critical thinker would ask as they soak in the stories and ideas presented in scripture.

    To most, the Apostles were all one big happy family all speaking the same thing. We know this is not so.

    I don't personally find the comments about 911 all that offensive or nuttish. From my study and perspective along with over 1000 Architecs for 911 Truth and others, the official story is contrived. The world really does work that way. I have found not one in 100 people have ever heard of WTC Building 7 which was the third building that came down in its own footprint on 911. Go watch it fall at 5:30 that afternoon and ask if that just doesn't look right. All three WTC buildings were owned by Silverstein and he admitted that he had WTC 7 "pulled" or taken down on that day. Nice trick for a unplanned event. 911 is not the cleanly explained event it is made out to be. But I spare you.

    At any rate. Dixon is a friend and confidant at times. He is a gentle man and I respect his intentions and his work. I know him as a person and appreciate the hard work it takes him to puts some cracks in the COG mindset that they deserve and that open up minds to other possibilities.

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  4. oops sorry for the repeat post.

    Here is the latest Architects for 911 Truth views

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ

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  5. I know about WTC Building 7 collapse because I saw it live on TV as we watching the events of 9/11 onfold. Its the building no one ever talks about.

    I am a reader of The Journal. I appreciate the newspaper. The crackpots who advertise in the Journal keep the paper going by paying the bills.

    Richard

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  6. 'Judaism is Lucifer worship.'

    Jewish mysticism, i.e., Kabbalah is OPENLY Luciferean worship. They advertise as much and always have.

    You should do just a little research sometimes and stop hurling accusations at things clearly known.

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  7. Dixon Cartright's response to me is basically that he'd like a lot of lattitude for "discussion" as if we were discussing opinions instead of fact and he's being quite disingenuous: As for calling Armstrongists names, I'm adding "Kooks" with a soon to open "V Resistance" site where you will see Armstrongism for exactly what it is.

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  8. Dear Doug,

    Today I became aware of your ad on my Web site, thejournal.org, and I have asked Alan Ruth, our Web guy, to remove the GIF that says "DNA Refutes British Israelism" and "They lie to you, Then they take your money" as well as the link from that graphic to your Web site, dnarefutesbi.com.

    I have run articles and ads in our 14-plus-year history critical of British Israelism. That's no problem in itself. The problem is the tone of your Web site, the complete lack of manners and civility and the impugning of people's motives, including your use of the word "cult" to refer to members of the groups that in general go by the name Church of God or Churches of God.

    Your DNA proof is no problem. Your six proofs are no problem. The problem is your tone and your accusations of wicked intentions. I'm sure you're not a fanatic or a wild man or a maniac, but your writing comes across as fanatical and maniacal as any of the COGs' wildest preachers and their exhortations. Your style of writing and accusing people of evil motives is not acceptable in articles or ads in my paper or on my Web site.

    A scholarly exposition on the subject would be acceptable. But, based on what I'm looking at right this minute, I'm not sure it would be feasible for you to come up with Web pages that would somehow be linked from my site rather than the pages I'm seeing. You call us "crazy people," members of a "cult," "liars," "psychopaths" who are knowingly disseminating not only false but dangerous information.

    I have good friends who believe in British Israelism, and in no way are they liars or knowingly attempting to lead anyone astray. They are doing what all of us are doing: finding their way the best they can.

    Anyway, I sat down to write you to suggest you redo your ad. But now, looking at just your home page, I conclude, and I'm sure you will concur with me, that that's not feasible.

    Therefore, please let me know your mailing address and we will refund your payment of $500.

    Sincerely,

    Dixon Cartwright
    Publisher, The Journal: News of the Churches of God

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  9. I think we should also add the term, "Loons", because there is no way to reconcile the "real" world with any part of the core beliefs of any of the Armstrongist churches of God: Maybe the Sabbath is fine; perhaps keeping Feasts is fine; what is not fine is the manic dystopian view of depressive psychosis with false prophecies based on British Israelism, crazy church history which never happened (the Waldensians were not -- I repeat -- not Sabbath keepers or considered themselves anything but good Roman Catholics: The whole lie of church eras stolen from Ellen G. White), with the extreme cult intrusiveness and entropy creating demands for resources beyond anything normal humans could envision.

    And if you are not convinced of the nuttiness of some of the advertisers, just check out the current state of DNArefutesBI.com if you think that The Journal is benign.

    It is all so very genteel: It's sort of like a lovely newspaper about the activities of the various families and leaders, replete with tales of picnics, dances and weekend get togethers for the Mafia and its Dons.

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  10. While we are at it, I should mention that I have been saving an interview Dixon Cartright had where he reveals that his confidence level in the material from people he publishes is less than stellar.

    We'll save that for another time.

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  11. "The problem is the tone of your Web site, the complete lack of manners and civility and the impugning of people's motives, including your use of the word "cult" to refer to members of the groups that in general go by the name Church of God or Churches of God."

    Dixon can accept or reject anything he wants to. I believe his explanation has merit and knowing him, had you presented in a different tone, he would accept it.

    Dixon understands deeply that people are where they are in beliefs at the time they are there. Angry sarcasm and ranting against people who are where they are does not help them. Sticking to the facts of the topic do more. There is no better way to get labeled looney or be dismissed than to attack the person or motives of people along with the topic.

    A well explain topic with rancor and sarcasm directed towards others will not aid the explanation of the topic.

    I can understand why he might not have accepted your no doubt well explained article on BI and DNA. I am sure I could not agree more with you on the topic

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  12. How is it that it is so very easy to ignore the rhinocerous in the bathroom and cobras in the living room? If you are careful and mostly ignore the obvious dangers (while tacitly avoiding them), you may be able to negotiate your way through them without harm for the rest of your life (but it's time to move on out of that partilar apartment, don't you think? Maybe out of the entire country?)

    For no particularly good reason, I am reminded by two Sabbath statements by James Russell of the Church of God In Truth:

    1. We have learned nothing new in 40 years (so much for growing in grace and knowledge);

    2. Those who keep the Postponements will fall down and worship us [the other members of the other Armstrongist Churches of God in the Millennium] (you'd better get that calendar right, or you'll miss out on salvation!)

    Yes, and not to worry about the Place of Safety: Art Braidic of the Eternal Church of God (who will never be allowed to be a minister in the UCG) tells us that angels will swoop in and pick up the quantified... er... qualified to whisk them off to that wonderful place of protection from the 3.5 or 7 years of Tribulation.

    Along with Flurry, Pack, Weinland, Meredith (a false prophet of 50 years of standing) and the others, we're actually expected to find this sane?

    Really?

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  13. "While we are at it, I should mention that I have been saving an interview Dixon Cartright had where he reveals that his confidence level in the material from people he publishes is less than stellar."

    That has never been a secret on Dixon's part. He is giving them a platform to express themselves. I can guarantee you he does not think any number of them have done the proper homework to pontificate on such things as they do.

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  14. Ps
    In short, I feel Dixon, as would any editor/owner of any website or publication gave a very valid and balanced answer and have very valid reasons for his views.

    I have wondered just why Dixon did not take your material and know you have made mention of that. Posting his response was helpful to me in understanding his reasons.

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  15. The only real value in The Journal is to show just how unbalanced, crazy and dangerous Armstrongism really is.

    Unfortunately, rather than being a warning to the unwary, it simply extends the fabrications, lunacy, distorted perceptions and gives people options to pursue them while ignoring the fact that it assists cult leaders in plunging people into the Philip Zimbardo Princeton Prison experiment.

    Armstrongism is at its very core foundation quite extreme. The Journal makes it seem so sane, while destroying the credibility of anyone who would seriously expose it for what it really is.

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  16. The only satisfactory solution is for The Journal to include in every issue a warning similar to the one required by the Surgeon General of the United States for cigarette cartons.

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  17. "Armstrongism is at its very core foundation quite extreme. The Journal makes it seem so sane, while destroying the credibility of anyone who would seriously expose it for what it really is."

    The theology of WCG tended towards seeing the Jewish nature of the early church. Most fundamentalist religions are no more extreme than they book they draw their beliefs from. I'd up the ante and say the Bible is an extreme book that attracts extreme beliefs and extreme misunderstandings. It promotes the Us vs Them and Me vs You mentality. There are a few chosen and many unchosen. People who take the book at face value end up extreme in their views. They believe they have to be because, after all, it is God himself that wrote it and sets the rules.

    Of course, it was not a god but a priesthood that actually wrote the book for their own purposes.

    The purpose of the Journal is not to expose anything but perhaps provide exposure to all concerned of other ways of being or thinking. There are plenty of other sites to expose the beliefs and teachings for those who wish to take themselves a bit futher in their perspectives.

    No human religion or organization has it "right."

    The person of Jesus is said to have said, "but ye are not able to bear it at this time," The author of Hebrews called baptism, faith, laying on of hands, the resurrections and judgement mere pablum and yet if you read the list, it is the very stuff all fundamentalists make great to do over. (Hebrew 6:1) In fact, they are the topics fundamentalists get totally hung up on for life. Whatever they are supposed to go on to, they never have yet.

    Meeting people where they are is how people are helped and encouraged. Labeling and bashing simply do not endear the sincere to listen to that approach, as it fogs up the view long before the truth what is said can show through.

    That's how humans think it seems to me.

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  18. The "nutty theories", and/or "conspiracy theories", and the attraction they have to a segment of the population is indeed an interesting dynamic.

    It seems that some people have a need to think better of themselves, and do so by believing they've come across and understand some "secret" or "special" knowledge. And often, they think of themselves as "called out" by God, and having some holy spirit guiding their "understandings".
    These people need someone to feed them this swill, though, and the leaders who feed it to them profit from doing so.

    This phenomenon sure isn't confined to the COG splinter groups. You can see it on Christian networks like Daystar and TBN, and God TV, with their nutcases like Perry Stone and many others.
    This crap sells, and these sleazy crap-salesmen go after their share of the gullible marks.

    Norm

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  19. A couple of thoughts here:

    first of all, $500 for one ad is a large chunk of change. That would probably meet all of the operating expenses (for the web version of the journal) for a year, at the very least. If they are collecting these amounts, regularly, I have a very hard time believing that they aren't profiting. No2HWA is running this site without ads, and has considerably more content on a weekly basis.

    Next, I find it odd that Dixon would not want to associate with Douglas' site because his "writing comes across as fanatical and maniacal" but when it comes to preaching about conspiracies, that's ok.

    I just don't get it.

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  20. Dennis/Norm:

    I spent most of my adult years in Pasadena from age 18 to present where I was surrounded by a lot of really weird people in Pasadena. Conspiracy theories ran rampant in the WCG/AC atmosphere.

    I have read all the stuff on the WTC theories and while it is all fascinating, I don't put any stock in it like I never bought into the nonsense floating around Pasadena. Not that it is wrong, or that it is even right. Life is so much better than having to worry about all that stuff.

    Almost all of the conspiracy theories and silliness that pervaded the chruch, including it's doctrines are based upon fear. Scare the crap out of people and you can keep them in line.

    I guess I take pride in being rebellious in questioning Armstrongism and conspiracy theories. I don't live in that house of fear any more.

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  21. writing comes across as fanatical and maniacal

    That's only because Armstrong is fanatical and maniacal.

    Face it, the Armstrongists want to take over the world by first destroying it and rebuilding it into utopia with Draconian rules of conduct. If they had the power, they would put this world into chaos. Do you think that extreme, do any of you? Then consider this: Look at the 700+ cults springing from Herbert Armstrong. Watch recordings of Herbert Armstrong yelling and making accusations ["You don't get it, you just don't get it! (Why should we get something psychotic?) "I will start over with my eight Japanese Sons!" (As long as you keep wining and dining them).] Yes indeed, the stalking of UCG members is extreme. No doubt the death of my brother at the hands of the WCG is fanatical. And Neotherm's story of the 1-W program is manaical.

    The bottom line is still:

    They lie to you
    and then they take your money.

    The Journal fills the void for the lust of Armstrongist infotainment.

    But then, it's just a skip away from being a newspaper for Sabbath keeping Scientologists, replete with science-fictiony alternative earth history, past and future, except L. Ron Hubbard didn't spawn as many sub cults after his death, did he?

    The Journal makes it all seem so sensible, but, in the end, I subscribe to Analog because the Science Fiction is more sensible, there's some fact and the editorials by Dr. Stanley Schmidt contain advanced sensible observations about science and civilization; and besides, unlike The Journal there are actual articles on factual science by qualified scientists.

    The Journal is rubbish, publishing utter nonsense knowingly.

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  22. PS: Jace, the $500 was just for 60 days for a small ad on The Journal website -- and not The Journal itself.

    The ad was up for 14 glorious hours before the complaints rolled in from the Armstrongist churches of God and demanded it be taken down -- or else!

    Holy embarassment, Batman!

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  23. I am well aware of the errors of the COGs in particular and Fundamentalists in general. My point is that if one is going to teach or show some new information that might help someone move along themselves and save themselves more grief, a pat on the back is more effective than a kick in the ass in getting results and honey trumps vinegar mostly.

    When a Dr. Bart Ehrman explains the origins and problems with the texts and beliefs of others, he does not preface everything with, "when I was a deceived and manipulated Fundamentalist minister...." He'd lose his audience. Just the facts minus the painful way we learned it is simply more professional and effective.

    Let the facts speak to truth. Leave the pain body out of it. I can't say I always do that either, but I am aware of it.

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  24. People passing through Armstrongism learned to prove unprovable ideas through the use of conspiracy theories. If there was a systematized form of logic dominating Armstrongism, the conspiracy theory was a very important part of it. What we see playing out now, today, post-1975 is the conspiracy theory running amuck.

    Conspiracies which succeed are relatively rare, and the larger the scale the more unlikely they are to see the light of day, simply because there are too many people involved to keep consciences in check and to keep quiet.

    The fact remains that the only way you can "prove" Armstrongism is through the use of conspiracy theories. It's a house of cards!

    BB

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  25. Besides, it says "The Journal. News of the Churches of God," which it is, right or wrong. It's what's up with them.

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  26. The realm of conspiracy "theories" aren't limited to just religious "nutjobs" or shock jock's like Alex Jones or big-wig Hollywood directors like Spielberg you know? I proudly wear the label of "conspiracy theorist" when it comes to controversial events in history from JFK's assassination to 9/11. Even the gospel writers attest to Christ's own trial and execution as a "conspiracy theory." The fact is that we know so very little about what goes on in the world and who's really behind what and what's fuelling their motivations that you have to maintain a healthy level of critical thought and skeptical awareness to question the "reality" or "worldview" that State officials or media pundits are projecting on us to believe in. And it's resorted to as much, if not more often, in the secular sphere than in religion, whether left or right wing, to prime people to ultimately do the bidding of the State (e.g. thesis, antithesis, synthesis). Look at 9/11 and the "conspiracy theory" that Saddam and his WMD was behind it all that led to the Iraq War, for instance or even Hitler's Reichstag fire and his endless rants of a "Jewish conspiracy" that ultimately led to genocide and global war?! Yes, it's crucial to investigate any issue rationally and logically for yourself and making up your own mind, but our human emotions can get in the way and prejudice us from seeing the harsh reality--I guess they don't say "the truth hurts" for nothing?! Of course, I'm of the generation that grew up on--and loved!--such TV shows as "The X-Files" and "Unsolved Mysteries" so my own worldview is probably warped! :-)

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  27. Note that Dixon Cartwright never said he believed in British Israelism.

    So here's a challenge: Let him survey all the ministers of the Armstrongist churches of God with the leaders and report back in The Journal which ones actually believe in British Israelism (which has been disproven and demonstrates that the Armstrongist churches of God are nonsense).

    It would also be interesting to have a survey of how many of them also believe that Waldensians were really Sabbath keeping members of the church of God (which we already know is false -- invalidating the totality of Armstrongist history).

    Let him put his mouth where our money is.

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  28. It should also be noted that I called Cartwright and told him about the UCG stalking case.

    Once he learned the identity of the Senior Pastor behind the scenes he did not want to pursue the matter further.

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  29. NO2HWA,

    So you admit your sins of pridefulness and rebelliousness.

    You obviously have a very bad attitude.
    Did you know the VERY WORST bad attitudes is in those who once knew THE TRUTH, but now reject it?

    You are hankerin' for a spankerin', NO2HWA!
    In fact, God has appointed HWA to do that spankerin' in the Afterlife.

    So enjoy your shrimp on the barbie today, because YOUR LIFE IS ABOUT TO TOTALLY SUCK!!!

    Herbie will be given by God the Spatula of Sorrows, with which to scoop you up and toss you into the Lake of Fire!


    Ha ha!

    Norm

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  30. Norm:

    I though Spanky Merrydeath was the Spank Master!!!!! You mean I am going tohave to let HWA AND Rod spank me??? :-)

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  31. Great going, Cartright: Using media to perpetuate a cult of extreme insanity in a community of fear and abuse, to make it possible for them to advertise to lie and then take the money of their victims.

    What a proud achievement.

    Especially when you don't believe a word of it.

    Great going.

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  32. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Cartright have his ass planted in one of those Armstrong COG cults in Big Sandy? So, what would you expect from him...the TRUTH? Ha! As for Jan, he's got some real strange beliefs. He thinks God lives on a planet called "heaven", and the reason armies in the future will be riding on camels and donkeys is because all the technological war machines will be malfunctioning by some sort of satellite, or some kind of crap like that. He has a nonsensical, illogical answer for any kind of sense and logic.

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  33. "He has a nonsensical, illogical answer for any kind of sense and logic."

    Don't they all? lol

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  34. Yes, after a stint in the UCG, Cartwrite ended up in the CoG BS -- Church of God Big Sandy.

    We'd pay good money to get to why he went there. Have you attended their video services live online? It's sure different.

    And you know, these cults need to pay more attention to their anagrams: BS indeed -- it is neither Bible Study or Beautiful Sunshine.

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  35. "We'd pay good money to get to why he went there"

    Save your money. He is a pianist and enjoys playing and the friendships I'm sure. Not all that sinister actually. But if you wish to send the money I'll give you the address.

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  36. Dennis, I feel certain there was more to it than that and the fact that he was tossed from a UCG elder's meeting early on. United has music and pianos too with many of the friends he has gained over the years.

    I am reminded what G'Kar said about Babylon 5: "Remember, when you're there, no one is exactly as they seem".

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  37. Well I prefer my own experience with a friend and what I know in talking with him about lots of things rather than what G'Kar had to say in this case. Dixon gets asked to leave any number of meetings as he will report it as he hears it in the Journal. A specific board member in UCG asked he not be allowed in to report the meeting and had him put out. Not uncommon experience for Dixon. He's a very nice guy and knowing him personally and having stayed in his home when Debating Art Mokarrow etc, I know him well.

    I don't believe he should be demonized for being uncomfortable with the tone of an add in his own publication where he endeavors to give an open forum to anyone dealing with the issues, not the personalities.

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  38. PS Dixon had a heart attack a few months back and I also imagine that gives one pause for thought on priorities and personal perspectives as well.

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  39. I remember when Herbie has his heart attack. I don't think it gave him pause for thought on priorities and personal perspectives. He suffered all the way to the bank!

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  40. Regarding DB's reference to James Russell's comments: "...We have learned nothing new in 40 years (so much for growing in grace and knowledge)...

    I agree with DB's paranthetical comment! The fact is such a claim implies that they don't need to learn anything else since they have "the Truth" (i.e. as HWA taught it!) But, the "Plain Truth" is that the majority within the ACOGs REFUSE to be corrected when confronted by their error! Instead they demand members to remain "loyal" to "God" (i.e. the church hierarchy) by going along with the inconsistent, unbiblical and erroneous doctrines and traditions of HWA just to project the semblance of "unity" or else they'll make dissidents feel unwelcome and disfellowship them instead of allowing people of different opinions to freely associate with one another at church. No good can come of such blindness, hypocrisy and hard-heartedness since Christ's rebukes against the leaders of Talmudic Judaism for their competing and divisive "us vs them" mentality is no less applicable now to ACOG "Christians" as it was then to the Jews.

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