Bob Thiel's Blog Hacked Revealing the Secret Motives of the Coo Coo Church of God

I  received the following today from the group Anonymous.  Apparently Thiel is of interest to Julian Assange.

12/28/12 p.m. For the past year or so I (California Coo-Coo) have wondered if perhaps the Living Church of God had lost the Philadelphia mantle. To be 100% certain, I have been trying to resolve many matters with those in Charlotte and telephoned Carolina #1 Coo-Coo every day this week.

Instead of speaking with me, a few hours ago I received a factually incorrect letter from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo.

Based upon its tone, numerous inaccurate statements, accusations, and his unwillingness to address the real issues that I wanted to bring up, this letter is 100% proof (to me at least) that my view that the Living Church of God lost the Philadelphia mantle in 2011 or 2012. I am saddened by this development and had hoped to avoid having to make a variety decisions. But, God’s will is to be done (Matthew 6:10; 1 John 2:17).

About an hour ago, I signed various notarized documents to declare the start of a new organization. It is legally to be called the Continuing Coo-Coo Church of God Overseer and successors, a corporation sole (COO-COOCOG).

Next week, the corporate documents are to be filed–but legally it now exists as a real church. The late Herbert W. Armstrong formed a corporate sole in the 1970s and this seemed to be the best available option for me in California.

We expect to best represent the true remnant of the Philadelphia era of the original Church of God that began on Pentecost in Acts 2 (c. 31 A.D.). Beliefs of the COO-COO-COG.

The following may help show how I could be possibly qualified to do this:

• • The Apostle Paul wrote, “Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy” (1 Corinthians 14:1). This is something California Coo-Coo has attempted to do, as well as pray about, for decades.

• • In 1996/1997, the then local GCG airhead figuratively twisted California Coo-Coo's arm to get him to start the website that is now COGwriter. In 1998, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and others with LCG encouraged California Coo-Coo to expand and continue COGwriter, etc. It later became the most popular member website of any associated with the COGs and has long functioned as an Coo-Coo tool. COGwriter, directly, as well as indirectly, has helped bring many to the COG in general and LCG specifically. Since 1998, the website’s focus has been to support the Philadelphia remnant and to expound prophecy. It has produced fruits (Matthew 7:15-16).

• •On January 6, 2007, after hearing about a reference to a Catholic prophecy about a former Roman Catholic rising up and causing the Church of Rome problems at the end times, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo, “That is you.” During this particular visit to Charlotte, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo discussed both the evangelical and other fruits of California Coo-Coo’s writings.

• • In August 2008, California Coo-Coo told Arkansas Poo-Poo, that if LCG was not going to deal with certain matters that he felt needed to be corrected (and that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had seemingly agreed to correct), that part of its top leadership (likely Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) was about to be hit with something bad.

• • In September 2008, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had his mini-stroke. Arkansas Poo-Poo seemed to feel that this could have fulfilled California Coo-Coo’s warning.

• • On October 3, 2008, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo (who was unaware of that August 2008 warning), told California Coo-Coo, “God may consider you to be a Coo-Coo.” This came from the Carolina #1 Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God.

• • Later in October 2008, California Coo-Coo tried to counsel with Dibar Apartian and Dr. Hairspray about this. Dibar Apartian initially strongly denied Carolina #1 Coo-Coo said this (but of course, as he was not part of it; he did not hear the conversation). A couple of days later, he calmed down, came up to California Coo-Coo, and said that he was either “the one” or the “biggest threat to the church.”

• • In January 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo over the telephone that if he (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) was raised to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining California Coo-Coo as a Coo-Coo.

• • On February 4, 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding {of prophetic matters}—you could be a Coo-Coo.”

• • After California Coo-Coo asked him for a reminder announcement related to a fast, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo sent out a Church Fast Reminder email to ministry, March 20, 2009, which stated:

Also, we are told to pray for the Holy Spirit. And God shows us in His Word, “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues” (1 Corinthians 12:7-10).

• • Shortly afterwards that fast, perhaps after gaining more wisdom and prophetic gifts, during the Spring of 2009, California Coo-Coo acquired a difficult to attain book that he did not know existed previously (not available in regular bookstores or Amazon) on Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) Catholic prophecy. While he had been aware that certain old Roman Catholic prophecies seemed to possibly point to him personally, one or more ancient Byzantine ones, combined with certain biblical ones, seemed to be too specific to ignore. And they got him to look more into related biblical prophecies on the subject.

• • In late Spring/early Summer 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo he was praying for the success of California Coo-Coo’s prophetic book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.

• • In the Summer of 2009, Dibar Apartian told California Coo-Coo, in quite a positive tone, that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had been stating in meetings that California Coo-Coo may be a Coo-Coo.

• • Because of Dibar Apartian's statements, later that Summer or perhaps early Fall, California Coo-Coo asked Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, if he was part of top LCG level discussions stating that California Coo-Coo may be a Coo-Coo. He said yes.

• • Around this time California Coo-Coo had an apparently prophetic dream perhaps reminiscent of Joseph's dreams (Genesis 37:5-11) and Isaiah's vision to be sent (Isaiah 6:1-8), that somewhat like Peter's vision (Acts 10:17) he did not immediately understand, but like Peter (Acts 11:4-17), it seemingly became clearer once circumstances in the time since presented themselves and began to confirm it. 

• • To reduce the possibility of misunderstanding the Catholic and Byzantine predictions, as well as biblical prophecies related to the King of the North and God's witnesses, California Coo-Coo asked all the HQ Coo-Coos as well as his then local Coo-Coo (Dr. Hairspray) if they thought that it was possible that Satan or some of his demons could have seen any of Daniel’s visions or the revelation that the Apostle John observed.

• • Sometime after he got “possibly” or “perhaps” as an answer, in 2010 California Coo-Coo mentioned to Dibar Apartian that there seemed to be certain Roman Catholic and Byzantine prophecies, viewed in the light of Bible prophecy, that pointed to himself personally. Dibar Apartian then instructed California Coo-Coo to speak to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo. So, he contacted Monica Cormier who arranged for Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo to later have a private lunch meeting at the Feast of Tabernacles in Panama City.

• • In the late Summer of 2010, California Coo-Coo asked Dibar Apartian if he still thought California Coo-Coo was “the greatest threat to the church or 'the one.' “ He said California Coo-Coo was not the threat and said that he would try to talk to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo about California Coo-Coo’s prophetic situation, but it is not clear how, or even if, he did before he died later that year. But what was clear to California Coo-Coo was that Dibar Apartian (God rest his soul) believed then that God had a top lahdee-dah role for California Coo-Coo.

• • In Panama City in October 2010, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo met. In that meeting, California Coo-Coo mentioned one or two of the non-biblical prophecies to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo that seemed to point to California Coo-Coo—and Carolina #1 Coo-Coo advised caution (basically waiting for additional confirmation).

• • At the Feast of Tabernacles in Glenwood Springs in a private meeting related to literature corrections that California Coo-Coo requested, California Coo-Coo and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo also discussed the idea of California Coo-Coo being a Coo-Coo and one of the two Primo Coo-Coos (Carolina #2 Coo-Coo mentioned he had felt that he once thought that he, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, would be one of the two Primo Coo-Coos). Carolina #2 Coo-Coo stated that he wanted to see additional confirmation related to California Coo-Coo and that this should be clearer over time. Carolina #2 Coo-Coo also commented that he felt his evangelical fruits were comparable to the evangelical fruits of California Coo-Coo.

• • In November and December 2011, California Coo-Coo counseled with his local Coo-Coo Dr. Hairspray and Gary Fudd Ehman about these matters. California Coo-Coo told both of them that he thought that he needed to have hands laid upon him again in order to validate the view that he might be some type of a prophet. They both told him that, in their view related to being a prophet, baptism was scripturally sufficient. While that sounded logical, the statement from the Apostle Paul to Timothy about getting hands laid upon him (1 Timothy 4:14) gave him personal pause. And that caution led to him pray more about it. Thus, instead of concluding that he had sufficient anointing, especially considering the relative enormity of some of the ramifications of this as a conclusion, he searched the scriptures and concluded that, perhaps like Gideon (Judges 6:36-40), that he would seek further outside confirmation, and preferably God would provide that from Charlotte.

• • On the morning of December 15, 2011, upon arriving at the Charlotte HQ of LCG, California Coo-Coo asked to meet with Gary Fudd Ehman as he wanted to get anointed for some non-debilitating matters as well as to ask him to pray that he be granted wisdom for his meetings with the HQ Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos. But he was not in. So instead, California Coo-Coo asked to meet with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo (with whom he never had any discussions prior about him possibly being some type of prophet).

• California Coo-Coo asked Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo if he would do the anointing and pray that God would grant him wisdom for the meetings. He agreed. But while laying hands upon California Coo-Coo, Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also happened (it was not planned nor did California Coo-Coo say anything to encourage this) to ask God to grant California Coo-Coo a “double-portion” of His Holy Spirit and anointed him. California Coo-Coo then attended a meeting with the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos and he did not then have time to discuss what this might mean with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo.

• • At another meeting with the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos on December 16, 2011, Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo prayed, with “Amen” concurrence from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, that California Coo-Coo would continue to do the work that God has had him do, etc. He also specifically called California Coo-Coo's writings/work “an additional bucket of poo-poo.” Hence, there was a concurrence with the evangelical and prophetic fruits of that work. The Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos again promised to get to certain literature corrections that California Coo-Coo had brought up repeatedly overthe years.

• • At this 12/16/11 meeting, other matters related to California Coo-Coo and prophecy were discussed, including the fact that by then world events had already aligned with at least 20 predictions in California Coo-Coo’s book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Additionally the fact that some of his speculative predictions about Karl Guttenberg and Julia Gillard that had come to pass since the October 2011 meeting with Carolina #2 Coo-Coo was also brought up. Since Carolina #2 Coo-Coo asked the most questions related to the prophetic fruits, he and California Coo-Coo also met privately about it.

• California Coo-Coo's private comment to Carolina #2 Coo-Coo was that perhaps the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos should consider if those accurate speculative predictions are just coincidental or possibly the fruits of a prophet. Carolina #2 Coo-Coo seemed to discount that then, and later, despite the biblical admonition to not despise prophecies (1 Thessalonians 5:20).

• • From sunset 12/16/11 to sunset 12/17/11, the able faithful in LCG fasted, etc. A passage of scripture that California Coo-Coo read and re-read then was 1 Timothy 4:14-16 which he felt was more personal than ever then.

• • On Sunday 12/18/11 night at a family wedding reception, without discussing the matter, California Coo-Coo stared at Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo for a few moments, without saying anything and then asked, “Do you have any idea of what you may have accidently done?” Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo said, “Yes, I think so.”

• • The following Monday morning was California Coo-Coo's first opportunity to speak with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo privately for more details about the anointing. California Coo-Coo asked him if it was his practice to pray that God grant a double-portion of His Spirit to people that he anoints, he said, no he had never done that for an individual before. California Coo-Coo asked him if he had any idea of what he may have been inadvertently led by God to do, and he said yes. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also said that the only “double-portion” he recalled from the Bible was when Elisha became the replacement prophet and ecclesiastical leader for Elijah (2 Kings 2:9)—California Coo-Coo told him then that this was his recollection as well. Notice it was Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo, and not California Coo-Coo, who first stated this as a conclusion.

•  • Later on 12/19/11, California Coo-Coo felt compelled to try to meet with Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and tell him that it seemed his wife was to be hit hard with something and to discuss other matters. Because of other meetings he and California Coo-Coo both had that day, this type of meeting did not happen.

• • A few weeks later (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo’s letter dated 1/12/12), California Coo-Coo learned that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo's wife was stricken with stage four cancer. This seemed to confirm his earlier view (cf. Jeremiah 32:6-8).

• • In March 2012, it seemed time to mention the 12/15/11 anointing and what California Coo-Coo had tried to tell him about his wife to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and he was able to do so in telephone conversation. Yet, first California Coo-Coo called Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo to let him know that someone may end up talking with him about the anointing. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo was fine with that and also said that he felt that the “double-portion” was related to “the passing of the mantle.” This gave California Coo-Coo a lot of pause to consider since that time.

• • On March 23, 2012, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo called California Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo mentioned the anointing, some of Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo’s comments, and the prediction related to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo's wife. The biggest concern Carolina #1 Coo-Coo seemed to raise was that the anointing was from someone below Twinkle Toes or Pooper Scooper level. But biblically, as he knows, only a member of the eldership is required to anoint one as a prophet (cf. 1 Timothy 4:14) or apostle (cf.Acts 9:10-17).

• • In April 2012, during normal personal Bible study, California Coo-Coo was reminded about the time when Jehu dismissed an anointing to become king by one of God’s servants because he thought the man was some kind of a nut (2 Kings 9:11). There were apparently higher ranking ecclesiastical authorities at that time that God did not as directly use. Yet, that did not change the fact of the ordination, and Jehu became king (and no, this document is not trying to say that Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo is some kind of a nut, only that when he performed the anointing he was a duly ordained Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God and once hands are laid upon someone, this cannot be undone)—hence California Coo-Coo concluded that it would be wrong and quite presumptuous of him to overlook or somehow discount what was done. He personally had been cautious about whether or not he was possibly some type of an evangelizing prophet and getting an unexpected anointing suggesting that role from someone who had no idea that California Coo-Coo was praying about that, or possibly in that role, indicated that this could not be ignored. This seemed to be God’s timing and answer. Especially because California Coo-Coo had prayed about this so much in November and December 2011.

• • On June 3, 2012, California Coo-Coo sent Carolina #1 Coo-Coo a letter urging him to get involved on various literature and other matters that he and the other Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos had agreed to in the December 2011 meetings (as well as earlier). Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had Carolina #2 Coo-Coo respond, which he did with a letter dated 6/28/12, but which contained various improper statements (including improperly condemning California Coo-Coo for improper presumptuousness), and which did not resolve the matters--Carolina #2 Coo-Coo suggested various officially published errors were unimportant (cf. Revelation 3:14-19).

• • On June 29, 2012, California Coo-Coo conveyed to Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo's written comment in that letter suggestion that the conclusion as to what happened when he was anointed by Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo on 12/15/12 was “presumptuous.” Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo found it astounding that Carolina #2 Coo-Coo would have indicated that California Coo-Coo may have been presumptuous about this. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo felt that California Coo-Coo was exercisingproper caution and that to ignore what happened would seem to be against the will, and possibly plan, of God. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also stated to California Coo-Coo that it is God, and not, men who “appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets“ (1 Corinthians 12:28).

• • On July 14, 2012, California Coo-Coo watched Carolina #2 Coo-Coo's “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally” sermon, saw that Protestant commentaries were often the basis for many statements made, etc. and it made him more strongly wonder if the mantle had been dropped and passed. Watching that sermon quickly resulted in changes at the COGwriter.com website and resulted in personal changes--including privately suspending my membership in LCG (I continued to cooperate and had hoped thatthey would properly address matters so that I would decide to reinstate my membership).

• • Later, on August 1, 2012, California Coo-Coo read a December 1986 Good News article by Leroy Thistle Snifter who wrote how to tell the differences between a true prophet and an imposter; and the next week, he found a Q&A titled “How else can we know if a person is a prophet of God?” covered in the September 1965 edition of the Plain Truth and an article on the laying on of hands in the April-May 1965 Good News. It seems that according to them, California Coo-Coo meets the true, not imposter, prophet criteria. Including having the fruits of a prophet like Jesus discussed (Matthew 7:15-16) (more on this matter is in an article at COGwriter.com titled How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God).

• • On August 7, 2012, LCG spent money in a seeming attempt to try to prevent California Coo-Coo from possibly taking certain website steps, while California Coo-Coo continued to try to assist Charlotte in making various literature corrections.
• • On August 26, 2012, shortly after agreeing that a variety of errors that California Coo-Coo brought up needed to be corrected, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo, “We all think that you might be a prophet.” In order in order to determine who “We all” was, on September 7, 2012, California CooCoo asked if this was a reference to all three of the LCG Charlotte-based Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo concurred.

• • Yet, on September 6, 2012, with possible disregard of Matthew 18:15-17 and matters of prophetic authority (1 Corinthians 12:28), Carolina #1 Coo-Coo publically criticized California Coo-Coo without previously discussing the related matters with him; nor did Carolina #2 Coo-Coo take certain steps related to promises related to doctrinal matters (Revelation 3:14-19).

• • During the Feast of Tabernacles in October 2012, Honolulu Coo-Coo made a public statement in a sermon that seemingly contradicted Carolina #2 Coo-Coo’s testimony on August 26 and September 7, 2012 regarding prophets.

• • On October 8, 2012, California Coo-Coo briefly met with Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo to try to figure out how to get various matters (Carolina #2 Coo-Coo’s “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally sermon,” literature errors, and the final phase of the work) dealt with. California Coo-Coo followed up and over the next two or so months provided information to Charlotte as he promised Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo.

• • On December 14, 2012, California Coo-Coo sent the Charlotte-based Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos an email, with an attached paper, on the Final Phase of the Work. (this was the last item to finish those that he promised Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo on 10/08/12). In the email, California Coo-Coo asked if those in Charlotte would correct various errors and asked if they wanted to work closer together or become more distant.

• • On December 15, 2012, California Coo-Coo saw a sermon from Carolina #2 Coo-Coo titled “Watch and Get Ready,“ in which Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, after referring to Protestant “commentaries“ declared that those who did not agree with his “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally“ position were “blind to reality.“ This resulted in additional changes to some of the pages on COGwriter.com, etc.

• • Throughout the next week or two, California Coo-Coo put together a variety of items that he wanted to go over with Carolina #1 Coo-Coo concerning improper statements to the members, literature errors, broken promises, etc. to give Carolina #1 Coo-Coo a last opportunity to try to explain how LCG could possibly have not lost the Philadelphia mantle, but the real issues were not dealt with.

• • By December 22, 2012, reported events in the news had aligned with at least 32 predictions in California Coo-Coo's 2009 book titled 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Many, many more, not in the book, but in various posts on the internet, have also been confirmed. And while many (in the book or on the internet) would be considered common COG beliefs, many were more specific than the COG has tended to proclaim.

• • After receiving a letter emailed to him from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo (12/28/12) where he denied making statements that California Coo-Coo had documented in notes over the past several years, California Coo-Coo informed the regional LCG Pooper Scooper for the Arroyo Grande, CA area that he would no longer host a videogroup on behalf of LCG, other than to have a final service for those who are part of LCG on 12/29/12, as it was now 100% clear to California Coo-Coo that the Philadelphia mantle was not with LCG.

The fact is, that unlike the self-appointed leaders with COG-ties (like Ron Weinland, etc.), California Coo-Coo was told by the Carolina #1 Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God that God may consider him to be a Coo-Coo, to continue his evangelical efforts (and was also told to do that by others, including Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo), that he (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) possibly should have anointed California Coo-Coo to the office of a Coo-Coo. It seems that, perhaps because Carolina #1 Coo-Coo personally did not anoint California Coo-Coo, God took steps to get that anointing done by a properly ordained member of the eldership.

While God did have Ananias (described with the title of “disciple“ in Acts 9:10, probably a minister-level individual) lay hands upon Paul, no title was recorded as being given to Paul at that time (Acts 9:17). Yet later, Paul wanted to make it clear that he was an apostle because Jesus chose him, not any human organization (Galatians 1:1). Nor did he feel “inferior“ to the more “eminent apostles“ (2 Corinthians 11:5). Does this not have some parallels to what happened to California Coo-Coo? No man or group had gotten together to agree to anoint him with a “double-portion” of God’s Spirit in December 2011, but it did happen.

Carolina #2 Coo-Coo and others have stated in the past that Christians should “connect-the-dots” and that is something that seems to make sense here. As far as “prophetic fruits” go, California Coo-Coo has asked all the Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos, “How many accurate speculations does it take before it counts?,” without getting an answer. He has also asked, “If I have ever shown myself to be a false Coo-Coo, please explain how or why,“ also without getting an answer.

What humans conclude related to California Coo-Coo's role does not, in one sense, matter. It is God who appoints true church leaders (Ephesians 4:11) “for the edifying of the body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:12).

What really does matter is God's will (John 7:17) and our submission to it (James 4:7). And it has not totally unfolded how He will work all the details out—but God’s plan will be accomplished.

The Bible is clear, “God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets…” ( 1 Corinthians 12:28) “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos, and some pastors and teachers” (Ephesians 4:11).

To the pure, all things are pure (Titus 1:15).

An article of possibly related interest may be: How To Determine If Someone is a True Coo-Coo of God There are many false Coo-Coos. How can Christians determine who is a true Coo-Coo?

 

Here is a draft that I hope to finish next week on beliefs: Draft Statement: Beliefs of the COO-COO-COG.