Decades ago various COG officials said that when WWIII struck that the invading Germans would be so impressed by the college campus that they would use it as their headquarters, thus preserving it till the Kingdom of God was established on earth. Well, that's NOT going to happen!
The endtimes is coming in a fiery climax to Herbert Armstrong's empire! The Hall of Administration may be blown up in a fiery explosion sometime between now and September 2015. Its a fitting end to a building that was home to so much evil and corruption over the decades.
This was the home base of the empire of Herbert Armstrong and his successors. From adulterous romps in department head's offices to in flagrante delicto in the Pastor General's office, this building has seen it all. From masturbating ministers listening to coeds tell their secrets to stolen gropes and kisses in the elevators. From gay romps in the AICF offices to the State of California coming in and changing locks kicking church officials out. From protests and sit-in's to exhibits of the terracotta soldiers from China to exquisite gold and silver crafts from Thailand. Kings and Queens walked its marble floors.
Now it is to blown up. One final act that permanently puts the nail in the coffin of Armstrongism. I would say, 'Rest in Peace" but too much evil was done in these honeycombed walls for that. May the end times come in a great ball of fire and smoke and be hotter than hell!
I agree Let that pile of shit burn hotter than hell! This is where i was molested as a college student! Fuck them all!
ReplyDeletePls accept my condolences for your pain. I'm an AC grad who'd like to see the implosion in person. It's too bad Herb the Perv lived so long to hurt so many people.
DeleteFuck HWA he was sick pervert who molested his own daughter for over ten years!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLet us all collect all the booklets, plain truth magazines ect. and throw it all on the fire. Let us get as much of this crap as we can out of circulation and have a huge bonfire. I forgot, this includes the crap that UCG, LCG, RCG and PCG puts out.
ReplyDeleteBURN BABY BURN!!!!!
This is a symbol, the seat of false teachers', false prophets' imaginary authority! In the name of Jesus, blow it up!
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Banned is so educational! I had to look up one of the terms used in the post.
ReplyDelete"In flagrant delicto" (Latin: "in blazing offence") or sometimes simply in flagrante (Latin: "in blazing") is a legal term used to indicate that a criminal has been caught in the act of committing an offence (compare corpus delicti). The colloquial "caught in the act" or "caught red-handed" are English equivalents.[1][2]
The phrase combines the present active participle flagrāns (flaming or blazing) with the noun dēlictum (offence, misdeed, or crime). In this term the Latin preposition in, not indicating motion, takes the ablative. The closest literal translation would be "in blazing offence", where "blazing" is a metaphor for vigorous, highly visible action.
Aside from the legal meaning, the Latin term is often used colloquially as a euphemism for someone's being caught in the midst of sexual activity
well I hope it makes you all feel better.....but FYI, blowing up a building has no effect on The Church.
ReplyDeleteBlazing offense and sexual activity are two appropriate definitions......
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ReplyDeleteThe exploding of the building is a capstone upon the rapidly dwindling membership in ALL of the COG"s. Every single COG is dying either by aging out or no new members coming in. COG members jumping from one group to the next don't count for a healthy church.
I hope that the blowing-up of this building is recorded and put on this blog for the world to see.
ReplyDelete"The Church," 10:45? Still doing that, are we? Guess we'll have to start referring to this as "The Blog," then.
ReplyDeleteInteresting times. The Hall of Ad, like so many other things, ultimately is a symbol of disappointment. I remember, like so many others do who attended there, the feeling I had when I first set foot on campus. After years of seeing photos in the PT, GN, Envoys and from friends and relatives, I was impressed and excited to finally be there myself. Mixed with the constant warmth and sunshine, and surrounded by palm trees and the beauty of the streets that bordered the campus, it felt like a little slice of paradise. This was our place, after years of never feeling like we really belonged at our schools back home.
ReplyDeleteIt didn't take long for that feeling to dissolve, and the Hall of Ad was a symbol of that. The realities of church politics, the Armstrongs, pharisaical attitudes, the stories of sexual shenanigans, and the general feeling that Big Brother was watching gradually replaced that youthful optimism. Later the college closed and opened so many times I lost count. Today I really don't feel much of anything, reading that it will be demolished. In a way, it's a shame, considering the hope that campus once symbolized to young people stepping on the grounds for the first time. But it's also predictable, and even necessary, considering the harm that befell so many people there, and the hypocrisy that was so much a part of the place.
What if, during the implosion, something goes a bit wrong and some huge pieces of concrete crashed into the auditorium, perhaps doing enough damage as to make it uninhabitable and has to be town down.
ReplyDeleteI'm probably a bit too philosophical at times (can you be that?) but this is a painful conclusion to my own perceptions of good intentions and well meaning choices made when very young that have taken such a toll in so many ways. I never could have understood that what can seem so very good can go so terribly wrong. How could one know without actually experiencing it? It's why I opt for the fact that we all have a story, ours is WCG all all it's associated craziness in all things Bible, but we are not our story. We just all have one and if it had not been this one, it would have been something else. I am grateful I had the time left in life to do something completely different but attuned to my temperament where I make my own choices and I don't have to get caught up in or worry as I used to about all the nutty drama and personalities I encountered in in WCG and the ministry. For this I am grateful I grew up Presbyterian at least with a bigger view to begin with.
ReplyDeleteHaving moved to the Pacific Northwest is the first decision to move where I wanted to live I have gotten to make since I was 18 years old and made my decision to go to Pasadena no matter what in the family thought. The geologist and paleontologist in me loves coming home from work with a clear view of Mt Hood and St Helen's. Free at last and this posting has made me reflect on the impermanence of everything, including "The Kingdom of God on Earth" along with "There is God, Jesus Christ, Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, myself (RCM) and a few other leading evangelists..." Lol...narcissists all.
I'm probably a bit too philosophical at times (can you be that?) but this is a painful conclusion to my own perceptions of good intentions and well meaning choices made when very young that have taken such a toll in so many ways. I never could have understood that what can seem so very good can go so terribly wrong. How could one know without actually experiencing it? It's why I opt for the fact that we all have a story, ours is WCG all all it's associated craziness in all things Bible, but we are not our story. We just all have one and if it had not been this one, it would have been something else. I am grateful I had the time left in life to do something completely different but attuned to my temperament where I make my own choices and I don't have to get caught up in or worry as I used to about all the nutty drama and personalities I encountered in in WCG and the ministry. For this I am grateful I grew up Presbyterian at least with a bigger view to begin with.
ReplyDeleteHaving moved to the Pacific Northwest is the first decision to move where I wanted to live I have gotten to make since I was 18 years old and made my decision to go to Pasadena no matter what in the family thought. The geologist and paleontologist in me loves coming home from work with a clear view of Mt Hood and St Helen's. Free at last and this posting has made me reflect on the impermanence of everything, including "The Kingdom of God on Earth" along with "There is God, Jesus Christ, Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, myself (RCM) and a few other leading evangelists..." Lol...narcissists all.
I'm happy to read that you got to move to an area you love. I love the NW, too, although I live in Texas. I'm in Seattle on a short vacation. I'd like to see the Hall of Ad's implosion in person. Herb the Perv & his minions wrecked so many lives. The world is racing toward some kind of crisis, but Herb's many failed prophecies have nothing to do with it.
DeleteWe are all imparting our own emotions on to this building, but the building in itself is not responsible for all these things. If a building is well built it can outlive all the people who built it and many following generations. It really is not the buildings fault. I have thought of this idea being philosophical myself. I have even sold a house because I thought the house was making me depressed, now I have another house and feel like selling that too, but I keep reminding myself that it is not the house's fault.
ReplyDeleteI know some people have ceremonies to clear evil spirits and former occupants from dwellings and I did sometimes get to feel that previous occupants spirits were hanging around.
Some architects make a point in building things that will last a long time, and I suppose all of them hope their work will live on beyond them. The admin building was not judged architecturally outstanding enough to save, shame. I worked there for a year when it was fairly new and thought it was a beautiful building. Oh well time marches on.
It is not difficult to look into the future and see a similar fate befalling Flurry's compound in Oklahoma, or Pack's in Ohio. When the self-serving, heavy-handed tactics run their course, and either the top dogs pass from the scene or the money runs dry, or both, they will find that maintaining their buildings and grounds is much tougher minus the gravy train. All they've really done over the years is poach COG members. The young people will mostly leave, and their pick-and-choose message of exclusivity no longer attracts unsuspecting recruits the way it did in HWA's era. It's only a matter of time.
ReplyDeleteCan I bring a nice ribs BBQ to roast on the flames? Heck, I'll even bring my own 'Herbie Sauce' for the ribs- it's "Lectern-Pounding Spicy", and guaranteed to make your body 'tithe' one tenth of it's weight in sweat!
ReplyDeleteWill Joey Tkach fiddle while the hall of administration burns??
ReplyDeleteVery valuable land, population has doubled since it was built and interest in chistianity has halved in the same time.
ReplyDeleteAll that wasted land in the front of it reverting to semi arid desert, acres and acres all begging to converted to high density upscale housing, we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars!
right on par, actually: just as the jews of old put more emphasis on the physical trappings of religion and eventually the temple was destroyed, so also nowadays does history repeat itself because God is the same yesterday, today and forever...
ReplyDeleteBy selling that very large parcel of land Maranatha can now effectively get Herbie's gold-clad Jewel Box (auditorium) for free! Watch for very upscale high density housing to spring up like the very high end Cantania apartments across the street.
ReplyDeleteNot so strange really. If HWA was still around he might have done the same...to build a bigger better more expensive replacement. The Co-worker and Member letters would be piling on the guilt and threats of damnation if every last dollar you could scrape together wasn't sent in to the Church building fund. I am glad our family never sent a dime for the "Auditorium/House of God"
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I worked in that building answering letters and messing up people's lives. I have mixed emotions about it going but it's just another part of the theological abortion finally being expunged.
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ReplyDeleteNice WCG buildings HWA built. Shame about what some people did in them.
David Pack recently built a nice new world headquarters hall of administration building, a mail processing center, and a media center. Pity that they cost his followers all their own houses. Too bad that they will be used to spread DCP's wrong ideas.
Some commenters here simply make it up out of their own imagination. Like Anon@10:37 who talks about all CoGs shrinking. Not so. Sorry to disappoint you anon@10:37 but LCG is growing and baptisms of brand new people with no CoG background are carrying that growth forward all around the world.
ReplyDeletePriam. . . show us the numbers, please. What is the average age of a member?
ReplyDeletePriam, please give us some numbers and a time frame if possible. Thank you.
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“Some commenters here simply make it up out of their own imagination. Like
Anon@10:37 who talks about all CoGs shrinking. Not so. Sorry to disappoint you anon@10:37 but LCG is growing and baptisms of brand new people with no CoG background are carrying that growth forward all around the world.”
RCM had to start his GCG/LCG with former WCG people who had learned everything they knew from HWA. From early on, though, RCM liked to say that brand new people who had no WCG background were joining the GCG/LCG. It has not been quite the 30% per year type of growth for 35 years that HWA used to talk about. Probably more like 1% per year for 20 years. Now RCM is old and it could all split up after he dies, if not before then. It will probably be something more dramatic than just a little bit of shrinking.
Priam, I suspect most of that "growth" is in backward places like Africa. Those deluded idiots still believe in witchcraft over there, and most of them affiliate with groups over here for the financial windfalls they get.
ReplyDeleteGrowth is only significant if it functions to produce noticeability for their so-called "gospel" message. One would expect several things to be true if HWA's WCG had actually been the primary of God's vehicles for getting out any sort of gospel regarding the end times. That effort was noticeable, there is no question about that. So, if it had really been God's warning, the stuff they said would have happened in a time frame close enough to the preaching so that people would not have had thirty years to forget it, thus rendering the warning meaningless, or a successor would have risen up to carry the torch and to make the message even more noticeable.
ReplyDeleteSo, we're not at "Did you see Garner Ted Armstrong on Hee Haw last night?" Or, "Herbert W. Armstrong has just met with Prince Mikasa, and some of the members of the Japanese Diet call themselves his sons." No, these observations are not being made by the common man on the street these days. Nobody has played Jesse Jackson to Martin Luther King, taking many things to the next level, keeping up the heat and the message as the end times supposedly grow closer (They won't. HWA used the wrong chronology even if the 7,000 year plan is more than just a theory. Jewish chronologies indicate that there are over 200 years until year 6,000). No, these days it's more like, "Have you ever heard of the following churches? (list recited of larger splinters). The answer would be "No." At this point, probably nobody even remembers enough to associate the Wisconsin massacre with Living, so, even their most noticeable event had little effect.
The size of some of the splinters, even in their diminished state, is similar to the size of WCG in the '50s and '60s. But, radio and TV are no longer relatively new mediums. The population of the world today is much greater, so you'd need to correct the size a church would need to be to get out a gospel message with equal force to adjust for that, just like we correct today's dollars for inflation. And, there are many more existential threats which every living person knows about and must deal with on a daily basis that the bomb and Germany don't carry the fear motivation impact they once did. And, the cost of getting out any sort of message has grown exponentially.
You can possibly gain points in an argument by verifying that one group might actually have statistically negligible growth. But, compared to the actual results, impact, that is all just semantics. The movement is in its death spiral. You can't use miniscule growth and lack of any real impact to prove that one or another group is the legitimate successor. What happened in HWA's church was a function of his own personality. Lack of succession of any sort of mantle verifies Gamaliel's Theorem.
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I have my doubts about Priam's claim. However, an exception to the rule may be the parent Church - Church of God, Seventh Day. They appear to be very stable, perhaps experiencing small growth and somewhat a beneficiary of the WCG implosion. And to think, how ironic Herbert Armstrong called them the dead Sardis Church. Herbert Armstrong's WCG is more dead than COG7D.
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Allen Dexter: I think you are correct. The "prosperity preachers" are taking a hold in Tanzania, where I teach, also. Why Benny Hinn and others go to Africa is beyond me. They don't have money to give to the ministries, but it makes them look good back in the U.S.A. Also, there are many superstitions believed there. For instance, albinos are hunted down and killed for their body parts. The parts are sold to witch doctors. The people are easy prey for the preachers, but they don't have money to give.
ReplyDeleteI believe that all religions where invented by men.
ReplyDeleteJudaism, Muslam, Hiduism and Christianity ect.. God would not embrace or endorse any religion if he returned to this earth but be very critical of them all if he exists.
To those who ask for actual figures and dates. I do not have such with me - and I am away from home at present. But LCG annually publishes such stats for members and I have seen an upward trend over a decade or so. I suggest you contact HQ and ask the question.
ReplyDeleteOn this forum I see a lot of wishful thinking from those who are wishing and hoping for LCG's demise. One of the nonsense tales is that there is some sort of struggle between those who accept the openly published transition plans in the event of Mr Meredith's death and those pushing for Jim Meredith. There is no such contest.
LCG now claims attendance of around 10,000 after 16 years of operation. When they started, they claimed around 6,000 members around the world.
ReplyDeleteThat means an average growth around 3 percent per year. They claim around 300 congregations, so this works out on average to around 1 baptism per congregation per year. Not exactly a vibrant and growing sect!
One of the nonsense tales is that there is some sort of struggle between those who accept the openly published transition plans in the event of Mr Meredith's death and those pushing for Jim Meredith.
ReplyDeletePriam should know that nobody other than Rod Meredith is pushing for Jim Meredith. The story (unproven) is that Rod Meredith has gone to an outside lawyer, secretly and without informing LCG's insiders, and has made Jim the named successor, to be revealed upon Rod's death. I don't even know if LCG is set up so Rod can do that, but that's the story. Why would Rod do that? Blackmail? Nepotism? How will this be explained to members who were told about the Ames and Weston succession plan? Who knows?
The actual "struggle" at the top of LCG is between the Winnail/Germano faction (which includes most ministers ordained in the last 10 years, and most of the younger membership, as well as those behind Living University), and the Meredith faction, which may not be happy with Ames or Weston but will go along because Meredith said so. Each faction is working to get control of as many LCG resources as possible so they can maximize their power after Rod dies.
Many of LCG's ministers in their 40s and 50s are already looking past Ames and Weston, trying to make alliances so they will be in favor with the LCG leadership 10 and 20 years from now. How ironic it will be if, after all the politicking, it turns out that neither faction ends up in control of LCG, and Jim Meredith sells them all down the river when he takes control of the family business!