Poor Dave. After losing so many members and the stream of money they sent to him, this has caused him to finally realize he cannot build his auditorium or student center. Where is his "jesus" going to preach from when he returns to Wadsworth? What a major disappointment for Dave this must be. Having to sit there and watch Gerald Flurry have his auditorium, has to be humiliating for god's most important man!
Dave claims all money now coming in is going straight into getting his message out. Well, except for the million or so it will take to build his home and homes for the other elite on campus. There are priorities, after all.
The fire has started. You have endured much just over the last year. We’re in our 19th year in the Restored Church of God. I could list so many areas in where the Church has grown in love. I’ve seen zeal. I could be like Paul, telling the folks in Hebrew 10, don’t sell yourself short. We’ve done a lot of good things. The campus is essentially done. You know, extra funds that come in, they’re not going into the campus, they’re going into this Work.
Cool. If you are prevented from doing what you want, and what you've actually said you are going to do, shift to doing what is left. That way, maybe you get to save some face. Herbie shifted to building his auditorium when his prophecies failed. If Dave's auditorium has failed, after his prophecies had already failed, looks like it's back to the "gospel". Wonder how that's going to work for him?
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'Extra funds (will be) going (straight) into this work??'
ReplyDeleteAbout 80% of all funds in the ACOGs go to the administration upkeep. Only 20% goes directly to the work.
Another contradiction out of the mouth of Davey Boy Pack.
ReplyDeleteThe campus is essentially done Translation: We're out of money.
ReplyDeleteLies, lies, and more lies! His covetousness knows no boundaries, he will never change, will never stop. Funds that are coming in have not been put towards "doing the work". His followers have been told that the auditorium will be build. Who can stop this madness? There is One.....
ReplyDeleteAt some point, Davey is going to reveal that he is Jesus. Scripture makes it plain that the Son and the Father are of one will. So, if you challenge David Christ, you are challenging the Father. So shut up and SEND IT ALL IN!
ReplyDeleteDave has not built an organization , a legitimate Christian Church, an abiding and enriching theology or philosophy of living well, an educational. Institution or anything lasting , desirable and real. Dave, with no heirs who care, no one able or probably even willing to take over when the time comes (and it will) has simply built a cemetary like monument which will serve as a cautionary tale about prophetic insanity and religious chicanery dished out by human ego and personality disorders unchecked and unaddressed by those who allowed themselves to be taken in by it all.
ReplyDeleteDave's personal end of his times experience will probably be quite disappointing with no Jesus strolling the campus, unless it turns out to be himself , and a tale that would better fit in the Book of Ecclesiastes rather than the Book of Acts.
Lets just hope that the facility and people will not end up like the Mount Carmel Building in Waco Texas under David Koresh.
ReplyDelete80% of funds go to church administration in the COG's. That could be about right. A look at the UCG, they have about 8,000 members but they have an executive board of directors of 12. Do the math. That calculates to 667 members per each member of the board of directors. How much does each board member get paid? You easily see that a large percentage of contributions go to church administration.
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ReplyDeleteLoad of crock??? Adjust your language box, nck. It's out of sync.
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SuperDave's business model is collapsing:
ReplyDeleteHe is giving hints of this implying new converts are not sticking around. And it costs way more to reel these people in than they end up contributing!
Meanwhile, here is another video snapshot (at 1:08 point) of his HQ church showing many empty seats!
Here is another view of RCG HQ church showing empty seats @ 1:08 mark on video
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHL-aoV6mU
a cemetery like monument
ReplyDeleteSo the Wadsworth Complex will be a mausoleum better than that of Kim Jong Il...
He's done building, until he's not!
ReplyDeleteHe meant crock of baloney BB
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ReplyDeleteThat is not entirely the truth about Herbie.
The campus plans stem from way earlier and are an essential part of the gospel according to Herbie and its original philosophy.
They were no "escape valve" or decoy.
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The saying was "Through in '72!" That was the end of HWA's supposed 2nd 19 year time cycle. When that didn't happen, they couldn't very well say we were beginning a 3rd 19 year time cycle, or there would have been a loss of the sense of urgency or immediacy. So, the attention of the membership was diverted to three new activities, or open doors making up "the gun lap". 1) The ads in Readers' Indigestion. 2) Herbie's last erection (House for God) and 3) the useless photo ops with shaky dictators around the world. So, with chutzpah and hyperbole, they managed to save the church for a while longer, ruining more lives along the way.
ReplyDeleteWhile it's fine to keep the Jewish days, and eat clean meats, reality is that the movement should not have survived the prophecy debacle of 1975. Better long term strategy would have been to transition away from being a prophecy-dominated movement, but the master advertiser inspired new urgency, navigated into a whole new era of financial profitability, and managed to die with the most toys.
The ACOGs are ridiculous and pathetic for continually attempting to guess the correct math, for pointing the finger at others who essentially maintain the same package of beliefs, and for claiming to do a great end times work when very few have ever heard of any of them.
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Beware of Dave's weasel words, which he could use to change his mind later:
ReplyDelete"The campus is essentially [not totally] done. You know, extra [extra, after what?] funds that come in, they’re not going into the campus, they’re going into this Work."
The master plan for the AC campus was finished in 1964. And the auditorium was to be finished way before 1975. It was not a diversion bu an essential element.
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While I was an AC student, nck, ('66-'68), we watched the Loma D. Armstrong Academic Center being built (I'm the AC urban legend who threw the lecturn down the aisle, damaging the exquisite new carpet during my attack speech), watched Grove Terrace Men's dorm constructed, watched the new AC Press facility built, got interviewed for a position at AC Press in the new Hall of Administration Building and informed the interviewer who tried to level me that the bindery supervisor had already hired me and his interview was merely a formality. And I'm the tall blond guy in the blue Pendleton shirt posing by David Wynne's egrets with other students on the cover of some of the booklets of the day. I don't point these things out to brag, I'm just saying that I know a little bit about the campus master plan and the construction projects from the era. We didn't begin hearing about the "House for God" until sometime around '71 or '72. Whether planned as such or not, it was exploited in such a manner as to diffuse the shitstorm following Armstrong's "great disappointment."
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David C Pack is a vainglorious liar. He will soon be blaming his members for the downward turn in income that has prohibited him from building his monument to himself. Tens of thousands of us will not be running to join up with him with our money. He has no work to finish. His god is not returning according to David's time table.
ReplyDeleteMinimalist - thanks for the link. "...a rapidly growing membership..." -> a rapidly aging membership.
ReplyDeleteNote that at least some of the shots were taken during the FOT.
Usually, as with WCG, the first generation founds it, the second generation maintains it, the third generation loses it. With Dave....the first generation founds it, the first generation maintains it and the first generation loses it...
ReplyDelete"...a rapidly growing membership..." -> a rapidly aging membership.
ReplyDeleteNote that at least some of the shots were taken during the FOT. Hoss
Yeah, I also choked when the voice-over man said "a rapidly growing membership"!?
Of course the RCG cult releases no hard data on membership, finances, leaders' salaries...
Most of the members in their sparsely populated church service (1:08)(freeze-frame) were women!
RCG propaganda video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHL-aoV6mU
"The campus is essentially done" is, of course, a total cop-out as everyone has clearly realized.
ReplyDeleteJust look at their "Behind the Work" video where they show a shot of plans for building on the campus:
https://ibb.co/ccYBsQ (<--image file)
Shows a planned auditorium and a student-center-like building, which are incidentally in the exact same orientation as Pasadena. (No original thoughts, these people)
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ReplyDeleteThe first thought of the auditorium germinated in 1961/1962. Sketches were hanging all over in the radio studio in the offices of Bricket Wood for evaluation.
In 1963 plans for the motorway behind the campus stalled the project.
Then, as you have personally seen, there were other building priorities, in 1971 the church was big enough to secure the insurance companies financing.
There were dual priorities as the church was expanding there was need for more facilities for services in pasadena and more facilities were needed to support an expanding student body to support the expanding church. The chicken and the egg.
Ah well, as a businessman you know the challenges of entrepreneurship.
Dang, you were wholesome next to the egrets.
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I don't see any millennials in Davey's no-fun church service, just mainly old ladies (no future in that)(no money in that either.)
ReplyDeleteMany old ladies attended Herbs church for no other reason than to get free handouts from members. Some were so toxic that their own relatives avoided them out of self protection. I speak from personal experience.
ReplyDeleteGod in fact makes mention of Daves (and similar) compound:
ReplyDeleteJeremiah 22:13 Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work;
Jeremah 22:14 That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion.
Jeremiah 22:15 Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him?