God's most highly favoured and doubly blessed COG leader has come out with a new video to inspire the kiddies and young adults out there in YouTube land. As if they are going to watch a 19-minute video about an event that is not required for New Covenant Christians!
This is just as absurd as his hour and a half sermons on multiple topics and even features him sitting in his office chair he uses for his crooked videos.
God is frightening to hear, as are the creepy voices of some of the weird animated characters. Bubba Moses needs to take Spokesman Club in order to learn how to speak!
Everyone loves it whenever people get together and share views.
ReplyDeleteGreat website, continue the good work!
Thiels cartoon needs a little bit more action. May I suggest something like the old Warner Brothers cartoons offered, with the Coyote and Road Runner , where he falls off a cliff, or when Bugs Bunny hands Yosemite Sam a fused bomb.
ReplyDeleteThiels production makes the old "Davey and Goliath" claymation series look like high drama and hi tech special effects! ...
https://youtu.be/CT59BZZYovA?t=37
Is Bob levitating now? That's supposed to be him, isn't it? He's sitting in a wheeled office chair, but not on a floor -- he's in front of the stars of the universe. Creepy.
ReplyDeleteLook at the NTBMO gathering at 16:45 in the video. There's a turkey on the table, but it hasn't yet been sliced. Two of the people have slices of some kind of meat on their plate. Also, there's a pumpkin pie with whipped cream. There is absolutely no sign of unleavened bread anywhere.
ReplyDeleteTo me, it looks like a THANKSGIVING animation, complete with ham, rather than any kind of NTBMO meal.
I noticed that the bumbling fool had a nice Thanksgiving dinner on his table too. Where are the pathetic matzo's? Where is the Mogen David wine at? At least have some Rye Krisp or some Wheat Thins on the table! Sheesh!
ReplyDeleteHis Moses character was right, definitely not a great speaker. Not many Egyptians and Israelites, and not much livestock - well, scholars generally consider the count in the census was a bit high.
ReplyDeletePharaoh didn't appear that he could walk like and Egyptian...
Not wanting just one side of an issue to be presented here's a YT video that contends the NTBMO is Passover night not like the tradition of HWA/WCG and all the other ACOGs that believe it's the next night.
ReplyDeleteThe Night to Be Much Observed
"...New Covenant Christians!"
ReplyDeletewhen I hear that term used I tune them out because I know immediately that they don't understand.
7:37~ by all means, explain yourself. Educate us.
Deleteand the NTBMO is the day after passover...I never cease to be amazed that people confuse the two.
ReplyDeleteThe assumption in the video posted by 8:10pm, and assumed by many is that the supper that Jesus ate at the beginning of the 14th was the Passover. They base their conclusions on Jesus' telling the disciples to ask the master of the house, "where is the guest chamber where I shall eat the Passover with my disciples?".
ReplyDeleteThe problem here is that the King James mistranslates this when it uses the word "shall eat". The Greek word phago is in the subjunctive mood denoting the mere possibility of the action. It should have been translated "might eat". If Jesus was stating that he was definitely going to eat the Passover the verb phago would be in the indicative mood.
Jesus was clearly hoping that God would change his mind, since he asked in prayer later for a possible different way. He was hoping to be able to eat the Passover not on the night of the 14th but on the correct night of the 15th, in the hope that God would not require his death.
This is why during the meal that he said "with desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, but I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God". This was before the supper and the Greek is an emphatic negative, that he won't eat it.
Just as later when he took the cup and passed it around, he didn't drink of the cup and said he wouldn't until the Kingdom.
Jesus did not eat the Passover that night because he was the Passover, and he would be killed at the commanded "between the two evenings" time. If he wasn't killed at the correct time then he wasn't the Passover.
The Israelites in Egypt killed the Passover at the end of the 14th and ate it in the night of the 15th beginning the first day of unleavened bread. That was the NTBMO. It's not a second night after the Passover night.
Kevin McMillen
Tonto
ReplyDeleteThose old Warner Brothers cartoons were made for adults rather than for children. They use to screen them in movie theatres between movies. Perhaps some of you remember the two movies a session from the old days. Some of those old cartoons are genius level.
I agree that the killing of the Passover was on the 14th and the eating of the Passover was on the 15th
ReplyDeleteLk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must [dei] be killed.
Lk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Mk 14:12a And the first day of unleavened bread, when ‘they killed’ [ethuon] the passover... (AV).
Mk 14:12a ... when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb... (NIV).
Exo 12:21 And Moses ... said to them, Go away and take to yourselves a lamb according to your kindreds, and slay [thusate] the passover. (Brenton, LXX).
“The indefinite plural and imperfect tense of ethuon is better expressed by the rendering “it was customary to sacrifice” ” (William L. Lane, The Gospel of Mark, NICNT, p.496).
"... "when they were slaughtering the Passover lamb." Casey (Aramaic Sources, 233) argues that the subject of the verb ... "they were slaughtering," refers not to the crowd in general (pace Taylor, 537, and Gundry, 820, who see it as a customary imperfect tense) but to Jesus and his disciples, who are depicted as having slaughtered the "Passover lamb" (which is the meaning of pascha) in the temple precincts. Given the meaning of the question that the disciples will shortly ask Jesus, Casey is probably correct... The Greek ... "to slaughter the Passover lamb," is taken from the LXX (e.g., Exod 12:21; Deut 16:2; see G. B. Gray, Sacrifice in the Old Testament [Oxford: Clarendon, 1925] 376-82).
Mk 14:12b ... his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
"Having finished the flaying of the lamb, the disciples ask Jesus, ... "Where do you wish that we go to prepare, so that you may eat the Passover?"... The implication of the disciples' question is that the Passover lamb has just been slaughtered, so there is now need to retire to suitable quarters. They are asking where those quarters are" (Craig A. Evans, Mark 8:27-16:20, WBC, p.373).
Mk 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
Mk 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Mk 14:15 And he will show you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
Mk 14:16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
"16 ... and they prepared the Passover." From this it is clear that the evangelist understands the Last Supper as a Passover meal..." (Craig A. Evans, Mark 8:27-16:20, WBC, pp.373-375, 370).
Mk 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest [phago] eat the passover?
Jn 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might [phago] eat the passover.
"To relate John's passion chronology with that of the Synoptics, who clearly describe the Last Supper as a Passover meal, would require a separate excursus; suffice it to day here that while John times his passion narrative with references to the official temple date of the Passover, our Lord and his disciples, following (it may be) another calendar, observing the festival earlier" (F.F. Bruce, The Gospels & Epistles of John, p.279).
"So also I. H. Marshall, "Our conclusion, then, is that Jesus held a Passover meal earlier than the official Jewish date, and that he was able to do so as the result of calendar differences among the Jews" (Last Supper and Lord's Supper [Exter, 1980], p.75)" (Leon Morris, The Gospel According to John, Revised, NICNT, p.695).
While the different commentators views are interesting, they are not necessarily correct. One of the biggest problems that I have with the idea that Jesus and the disciples kept the Passover a day earlier than the Temple Passover is that scenario makes his killing exactly at the same time that the Temple lambs were being slaughtered.
ReplyDeleteIf the Jews at the Temple were incorrect in the timing, as those who claim that Jesus was keeping Passover at the "correct" time the night before, then why does God allow the reinforcing of the "incorrect" time by allowing Jesus to be killed at the same time as the Temple lambs.
I still maintain that since God commanded the Passover to be killed at a specific time, between the evenings, ben har arbayim, that if Jesus wasn't killed at the commanded time then he is not our Passover. The bible clearly says he is our Passover lamb.before
Kevin McMillen
Thanks Anon 810 for the video.
ReplyDeleteI hope Bob Thiel takes up the challenge to research this. To start him off, I remember the Jewish tradition was to stay up all night reading Torah. And for the non-Biblical connection, on the first night of the Chinese Spring Festival, it's a custom to stay up all night playing Mahjong!
“The most natural reading of the Synoptists shows that the Last Supper there to be the Passover. The most natural reading of John shows that Jesus was crucified at the very time the Passover victims were slain in the Temple... John appears to make use of this to bring out the truth that Christ was slain as our Passover" (Leon Morris, The Gospel According to John, Revised, NICNT, pp.694-695).
ReplyDeleteJn 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Jn 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
"... in John, Jesus' trial before Pilate occurs on ... the 14th of Nisan, before the first Passover seder has been celebrated... Verse 28 makes clear that the Passover meal still lies in the future..." (Gail R. O'Day, The Gospel of John, NIB, pp.814).
Ex 12:46b neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
Jn 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
"Both chronologies imbue the death of Jesus with symbolic significance vis-a-vis the Passover... In John the symbolism comes from linking the crucifixion of Jesus with the slaughter of the Passover lambs (19:16], 36)" (Gail R. O'Day, The Gospel of John, NIB, p.719).
Christ was killed as “our” Passover (1 Cor 5:7) between the evenings on Friday, April 7, 30 AD as calculated by J. K. Fotheringham which agrees with the U.S. Naval Observatory Astronomical Applications data which has the first evening of the visible crescent on Friday March 24.
So Christ being in the tomb for say one to two hours on Friday fulfills the first day and night of his 3 days and 3 nights. To say this is blasphemy to the Wednesday crucifixion supporters who use modern western thoughtforms regarding time in readings this.
Ex 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes,
Ex 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
So a famous later Jew understood the inclusive reckoning of time and the Hebrew idiom of the third day being the day after tomorrow.
If 1/24th of a day/night period can be counted as a full day how even more heretical to say 1/354 of a year can be counted as a full year:
"Mishnah Rosh HaShanah, chapter 1
"(1) There are four New Years. On the first of Nissan is the [cut off date for the] New Year regarding [the count of the reigns of the Jewish] kings [which was used to date legal documents. If a king began his reign in Adar even if was only for one day that is considered his first year, and from the first of Nissan is considered his second year, thus one would write: "On the First of Nissan, in the second year of the reign of King so and so,"] and [the Festival which is in Nissan, namely Pesah is also the beginning of the count for] the [three] Festivals..." (emishnah.com/moed2/Rosh_HaShanah/1.pdf).
"Having seen what we know, we now need to look at what we may be assuming erroneously... we may be assuming that first-century Jews thought about time in the same way that we do. In fact they did not. Any part of a day could be counted as if it were a full day, much as in Canada and the U.S.A. a child is deductible for income-tax purposes at the full year rate even if he or she was born at 11 p.m. on December 31. The "three days and three nights," then may simply refer to three twenty-four hour days (sunset to sunset periods), and Jesus was in fact in the tomb parts of three different days..." (Walter C. Kaiser Jr., Peter H. Davids, F. F. Bruce, Manfreed T. Brauch, Hard Sayings of the Bible, pp.380-381).
So Christ spent the bulk of his time in the tomb on the Sabbath-rest. How fitting.