This was posted on an xCOG Facebook page tonight and as soon as I started reading it I knew exactly who wrote it. If you thought Armstrongism cannot get any crazier, just wait. The Church of God is sick and is getting sicker by the day!
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If the ministry is off the track, and cannot be used by Christ at the moment, the next in the chain of command in God's government in His Church is the FAMILIES!
In Zechariah 3, those who is used by God to remove the filthy garments of Joshua, are under the direction of Christ.
In Zechariah 6 the household is mentioned.
Josiah the son of Zephaniah is mentioned in verse 10, Hen the son of Zephania is mentioned in verse 14.
Josiah the son of Zephaniah is mentioned in verse 10, Hen the son of Zephania is mentioned in verse 14.
Biblical scholars agree these two names belong to one man. The focus on these scriptures is on the household performing the job of producing crowns to give to Joshua.
So "Josiah-hen" the son of Zephaniah.
Now if you know the genealogy of Herbert W Armstrong, you can trace his lineage back to Zerubbabel through the lineage of Jesus.
He is a descendant of Zerubbabel.
He is a descendant of Zerubbabel.
Now "Armstrong" was a surname given to a man named "Siward Bjourn" whe he saved a King with "one strong arm" in battle.
The family name of Siward belonged to was the household of "Hen". A couple generations before Siward was a man named King Cole-Hen. A nursery rhyme was written of him. Ole King Cole.
Prior to Jesus Christ, this family was named "Josiah" as a descriptor of "HEN". Josiah meant "Supporter of Yah". They were the Levites of Israel. Hen means "grace".
When Jesus Christ was born, members of this family, including Joseph of Arimathea, changed their name from "supporters of Yah" to "supporters of Christ" or "KIT".
They became "KIT-CHENS". Joseph of Arimathea bought land in Brittanica and built an Abbey to house the regional headquarters of the Church of God. That Abbey later housed the Stone of Scone, and was later called "Scone Abbey". It is said that he built a large ROUND TABLE for the evangelists in the area. A conference table of sorts.
This round table later was used by the King of the land, King Arthur, in battle against Catholic inquisitions.
This round table later was used by the King of the land, King Arthur, in battle against Catholic inquisitions.
So the KITCHEN family was outlawed by the Roman Catholic Church, and so many took on different surnames to avoid persecution and martyrdom.
The Armstrong line came off of the Kitchen family.
Now during the time when Christ is cleaning up the second witness, and the ministry, he is using this household to preserve the candlestick Zerubbabel was over- aka The Worldwide Church of God- Philadelphia candlestick.
They were to preserve it AND WORK A WORK, to store up treasures in heaven, crowns which Christ will bring with Him at His return, and they will share those crowns with JOSHUA.
Samuel Kitchen Facebook page
They were to preserve it AND WORK A WORK, to store up treasures in heaven, crowns which Christ will bring with Him at His return, and they will share those crowns with JOSHUA.
Samuel Kitchen Facebook page
"before Siward was a man named King Cole-Hen"
ReplyDeleteFantastic research there.
Herbert W Armstrong is related to Nat King Cole.
Unforgettable.
nck
So what this asshat, mentally disturbed human being is saying, Herbert Armstrong is a decedent of a middle easterner. Ya, he sure looks like one.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't get much loonier than that.
ReplyDeleteWell, there's that, or maybe the CHEN families of China have been given a KIT of doctrines for exercising leadership over moronic Armstrong cultists?
ReplyDeletethere are some kooks associated with The Church, for sure....
ReplyDeletepersonally, I would think that the surname "Kitchen" would have come from an ancestor that worked as a cook for a wealthy family...
"go ask Dave"
"which Dave? we have three on staff."
(pointing towards the room where meals are prepared) "kitchen"
"KITCHEN" (from root-words KITCH-HEN): A male Armstrongite whose submissive worship of HWA and his ministry has feminized him and caused him to adore all manner of Worldwide Church of God anachronisms.
ReplyDeleteWow! I was reading and meditating about all this yesterday! No wait, no sorry! I was reading "A Whale of a Tale" and "A Theory for the Birds"
ReplyDeleteI think Kitchen has got a "backed up" garbage disposal!
ReplyDeleteThe first sign of religious madness and sociopathy is when the claim of being a "Biblical Character" is made. The Kitchen clan has now gone over that edge.
ReplyDeleteJust to illustrate how STUPID this can be, let me show you how it can be done...
TONTO is in the Bible (NIV) . The first letter of each of these verses , spells out my name. I am therefore the "Called and Chosen"
Luke 12:2 - T
Proverbs 27:7- O
1Cor 10:6 - N
Acts 16:29 - T
Psalm 90:10 - O
Please send me the usual tribute, bounty, common, praise and honor for being named in the Bible!
But it's not your real name though.
DeleteA) That wasnt predictable or anything.
ReplyDeleteB) Genealogists everywhere just let out a collective moan.
Talk about loony tunes! They're not at all funny, however. Just loony.
ReplyDeleteWhile this may seem droll to us, this is a serious example of how the pseudo-history of the world was constructed in the WCG. It reminds me of the portrayal of John Nash in the movie "A Beautiful Mind" and how he made novel connections between unrelated or concocted facts.
ReplyDeleteIt may be amusing to us but there are people throughout Millerism that have dedicated their lives to believing, following and funding ideas, historical and theological, that are just as tenuous and odd as this. (See also Herman Hoeh and Victor Houteff)
Poor Bob Thiel. Another upstart has taken his mantle from him and now holds the keys to the truth.
ReplyDeleteThe Diningrooms and Armstrongs are just cousins of Jesus, what about all of us who are actual descendants through his marriage to Mary Magdalene? I'm just waiting for Flurry to announce that he's discovered the Holy Grail (or one of Herbert's jockstraps)!
ReplyDeleteI've been involved with the WCG racket since the late 60's and I have never heard of these nutters. Next they will be telling their followers to get ready to leave the earth for the spaceship behind the next comet.
ReplyDeleteHerman Hoeh sent me a copy of HWA's genealogy back years ago. He wrote that he hoped I could provide what they did not have and "link up" the missing pieces. I have since misplaced it. It might be in the garage. As I recall I was surprised to find that there really was not much data there.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is that Herbert Armstrong's genealogy wasn't special or unique. In fact, most folks who have Western European ancestry probably have some royal ancestry. Do a little checking and do the math - The elite of Europe (kings, queens and nobility) had the best of everything, and their offspring had the greatest chance of surviving. Usually, only the eldest son inherited lands and titles - what happened to all those other children? Geneticists have calculated that enough generations have elapsed for most folks of Western European ancestry to be descendants of Charlemagne. Likewise, most Englishmen are probably descendants of William the Conqueror by now, and anyone with Irish ancestry knows that he/she is descended from kings! Think about it, just a few generations back, and we all have thirty-two great, great, great grandparents, next generation sixty-four, next one hundred twenty-eight - you get the picture!
ReplyDeleteMoreover, anyone who is serious about genealogy knows that there is a rather large list of "gateway ancestors" - folks who came to the United States with known royal lineage. Literally, millions of Americans have the ability to name the generations of their descent from Charlemagne and the Conqueror (I'm one of them). This is NOT a big deal. Like the kings of old, Herbert Armstrong touted his royal ancestry to embellish his credentials and set himself apart from the great unwashed!
Finally, the claims about the Davidic line continuing through the British royal family are a bunch of hogwash. Genealogists and historians give little credence to the legendary ancestries that Hoeh and others employed to buttress Worldwide doctrines.
Paraphrasing one of the anonymi, these people all suffer from Herbert W. Armstrong derangement syndrome. They revere him as the second coming, kind of like what happened when the entire German nation was deranged by Hitler. Bad, bad mental health program.
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Look BB
ReplyDeleteA "culture" is just a subset of rules for groupings to organize themselves and distinguish them from others.
Ethics and morality have universal claims. A culture is by definition not universal, although hwa and skulls and bones and the rockefellars who employed them all might have felt that BI and free trade should be the global culture through their UN (frame) work during the Cold War.
But the Chinese under the leadership of Dr Kuhn have also learned to adapt to a global framework as exemplified through "belt and road."
Even the Russians are holding the US to the UN standards, which the US does not like anymore since it is in rapid decline. That's why Pelosi tore up the State of the Union. Because they were "long term" lies.
Nck
Nck
Byker Bob said...
ReplyDeleteParaphrasing one of the anonymi, these people all suffer from Herbert W. Armstrong derangement syndrome. They revere him as the second coming, kind of like what happened when the entire German nation was deranged by Hitler. Bad, bad mental health program.
BB
February 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM
You really don't have any idea what happened in WWI and WWII do you, BB...???
Even the Russians are holding the US to the UN standards, which the US does not like anymore since it is in rapid decline. That's why Pelosi tore up the State of the Union. Because they were "long term" lies.
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I love it when Nck drunk posts....so much entertainment.
Why don't you tell us, 7:59?
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8:00
ReplyDeleteAh.
Another person holding the opinion that the world system should only be organized through "Ephraim Mannassah and their cousins" in the security council. Holding grudges when others assert and apply the same rulebook.
Nck
This has been an unusual week. Kirk Douglas has passed away, another iconic figure not unlike George Burns. Age is not a beautiful thing, judging by the recent pictures. Rush Limbaugh and his cancer, and medal of honor. A fake "State of the Union" address. And, the trouble the Iowa caucasians had. Poor Joe Biden. So glad that everyone has learned to pronounce Mayor Pete's name. Before, they were making it sound like a sex romp when they said "Booty gig". The 'crats lost the election being held in the Senate. And there are still two days left in the week!
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ReplyDeleteYou forgot Tesla.........never made a buck, bigger than Ford with far less output, doubling in value in days............."the stuff dreams are made off.
And where's Corona.....I thought you were a beer man.
And even more insane..........Americans locked up on a cruiseship in Japan.........Trump help us??
nck
Byker Bob said...
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you tell us, 7:59?
BB
February 5, 2020 at 8:14 PM
I'm not one to do other's homework, BB. Here's a hint though: Bolsheviks.
Bonus tip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtFWIjcbxw&t=246s
On the genealogy comment, by this kind of leaping logic, I must be half Mesopotamian. Well, that explains my liking for lamassu.
ReplyDelete@1:44 Crapularatimus! Just as I suspected! Shouldn't you be off denying a holocaust somewhere?
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I stopped listening at the point where german mr H was called co-founder of Israel.
ReplyDeleteI will accept arguments that mr H had been looking for other solutions for his perceived problem with a certain people. He was greatly empowered after the USA and many other nations did not accept refugee ships containing groups of that people, giving credence to the thought that the international world didnt care either.
This empowerment however does not dissolve responsibility for the final solutions they came up with for their perceived problem. It does gives us food for thought however on what signal it gives to evil dictators if we refuse to aid people when they call for help for obvious reasons as in the Rwanda Huti and Tutsi case.
nck
nck said...
ReplyDeleteI stopped listening at the point where german mr H was called co-founder of Israel.
Hitler was the third iteration of the King of the North.
The Caesars were the first iteration.
Napoleon was the second iteration.
So, we have:
-Augustus Caesar, first iteration of the KN.
-Napoleon Bonaparte, second iteration of the KN.
-Adolph Hitler, third iteration (Reich) of the KN.
-Donald Trump, fourth (and final) iteration of the KN.
Trump has attacked Syria,killed Soleimani,moved the Embassy to Jerusalem, and is working on a Peace Plan. Next will be the building of the Temple.
Does this help, nck?
Yes. Your summary does explain the line of thinking. I am not unfamiliar with the concept of such scenario being meticulously played out as in "all the world's a play and we / some ARE the players" in a "biblical play........ and big roles for Putin and the rabinically blessed Trump.
DeleteI do not adhere to such teachings. But I do love plays, theatre, ballet and OPERA.
For instance today I see cruise ships roaming the seas unable to find shelter and harbor for man having disobeyed the laws of God and the mariners having sold their souls to the devil (riches).
Many see "news items". My world sees Wagners "Flying Dutchman" theme being played out life on the 8 o clock News.
Nck
12:42
DeleteMy personal qualms with your summary of KN involves the omission of my personal favorites.
Emperor Constantine as the one who established the rule of (Roman) law over the empire. And Charlemagne who (with knight Roland) warded of the Saracens and "made Europe Great Again MEGA).
Nck
Wooooops
DeleteJUSTINIAN is my hero..... not Constantine. I favor lawyers over politicians in Dantes hell.
Nck
12:42 PM
ReplyDeleteWhat problem I have with end time Bible interpretations like yours is you start the Beast empire in Europe and then somehow today it’s ended up in North America. The Beast empire starts and will end in Europe. It’s a revival of the Roman Empire, which encircled the Great (Mediterranean) Sea. America is not the Beast empire.
Byker Bob said...
ReplyDelete@1:44 Crapularatimus! Just as I suspected! Shouldn't you be off denying a holocaust somewhere?
BB
February 6, 2020 at 10:50 PM
BB, please tell me where I claimed there was no Holocaust. That is absurd and reduces you to mud-slinging. Shame. I am part Jewish.
nck said...
ReplyDeleteYes. Your summary does explain the line of thinking. I am not unfamiliar with the concept of such scenario being meticulously played out as in "all the world's a play and we / some ARE the players" in a "biblical play........ and big roles for Putin and the rabinically blessed Trump.
I do not adhere to such teachings. But I do love plays, theatre, ballet and OPERA.
For instance today I see cruise ships roaming the seas unable to find shelter and harbor for man having disobeyed the laws of God and the mariners having sold their souls to the devil (riches).
Nice try, Nck, or is it nck...?? You keep changing the capitalization.
I did not bring up cruise ships, as you did to change the topic...a common trick of yours. I have to be careful how I handle you, due to Gary's tight limits on bitch-slapping his teacher's pets.
Constantine wishes he was a pimple on Augustus's ass. Another misdirection from you.
My point, which I made very clearly, was that the Caesars (Augustus being first) were the very first ITERATION of the King of the North- ROME. Followed by Napoleon, Hitler, and finally Trump, the little horn of Dan 7. Trump is the final KN and will lead to Armageddon and the return of the Messiah to establish the Kingdom.
That is the point that you cannot and have not comprehended, as you think you know everything under the sun, but you do not.
Please let me know if you would like to be further educated in history.
Thank you for taking the time to educate me. I apologize for my attempt and insertion of entertainment on my 80 percent scientific 20 percent entertainment postings on a topic that obviously is important to you. It's entertainment not trickery.
DeleteI do not understand of whom Ceasar Augustus being the first emperor, would be an ITERATION, as I understand Iteration implies a previous person or process.
I was being friendly and creating rapport by acknowledging that I am aware of theorizing Trump being the anointed Lubatscher and Putin being the Maschaisch to be revealed to the world through the UN system.
It's my mobile phone who keeps changing the Font.
Nck
Anonymous said...
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What problem I have with end time Bible interpretations like yours is you start the Beast empire in Europe and then somehow today it’s ended up in North America. The Beast empire starts and will end in Europe. It’s a revival of the Roman Empire, which encircled the Great (Mediterranean) Sea. America is not the Beast empire.
February 7, 2020 at 4:50 PM
Sorry Anon.
I tried to answer your post in a coherent logical fashion but my answer apparently failed the BANNED smell test, so I have been BANNED from BANNED. Not the first time.
It makes you wonder why a person would start a blog on BANNING, and the BAN others from making rational comments. Seems like something HWA or David Pack would do.
Well, 6:52, that is the problem you create every time you post as "Anonymous". Since your writing style and subject matter resembled that of "Nazi Boy" who actually does deny the Holocaust, it was very easy to confuse the two of you. He frequently brought up the Bolsheviks, lauded Hitler for taking on Russia when Europe and the USA would not, and expressed hatred for the Jews and the control he believes they have over all of us. Who, growing up in twentieth century USA, did not learn all about the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks in public school?
ReplyDeletePoint of interest: Were you actually raised as a cultural Jew (WCG influence doesn't count), or were you raised as a Goy? There are Jews who celebrate their Jewishness, and there are others like Bobby Fischer, who loathe it and were filled with self-hatred.
Do you not like to be associated with your opinions? If that's the case, then it's on you when regulars confuse you with other anonymous posters. You also lose the value of any praise which they might send your way for good ideas, lose out on being part of the history of the blog, and become the victim of other posters' educated guesses. If you believe that people know you by your writing style, not everyone picks up on the little nuances which make that possible. I have journalistic training, and have had some of my writing published, and yet obviously, I sometimes confuse anonymous posters. But, the choice between screen name and anonymous is up to you.
BB
Byker Bob said...
ReplyDeleteWell, 6:52, that is the problem you create every time you post as "Anonymous"
BB, now I get it. I was curious as to why you lashed out at me so harshly. No, I am not "NAZI boy", and no, I am not defending Hitler, and no, I do not hate the Jews. I am also not self-loathing, as you imply. I am only possibly part jew, as one of my great great uncles was 100% Jewish. I asked another uncle who tracks or family history if we were related to any Jews, and he pointed out this great uncle, so I'm certain I am partially Jewish but was not raised Jewish or as a "goy", as you state, whatever that means.
We started out in the WCG experience back in the late 60's. It affects my immediate family to this very day, in very negative ways.
The reason I brought up WW1/WW2 is that you seem to embrace the typical propaganda that we were taught in school and that you have no understanding of the real reasons for those wars. It ties directly in with prophecy, which I shall not comment on further in this response. I posted a previous response to your first reply but Gary did not allow it through, for reasons I do not understand. I said a certain word in the post that apparently is forbidden, and I will not repeat it here.
You also post anonymously here at Banned. I've had too many bad experiences online to be foolish enough to reveal my real name, as many who post here never do or ever have, including you.
If you wish to have dialogue outside of Banned, just post an anonymous email account and I will contact you.
From now on I will tag my posts as "LXX" (this term is meaningless)
If Gary didn't allow your first response through, it's possible that he also might have assumed from your comments that you were "Nazi Boy". To say that that guy made a nuisance of himself would be an understatement. Reading what you just posted, I would have to say that Nazi Boy was not as articulate or intelligent as your post indicates that you are. My apologies in mistaking your identities.
ReplyDeleteI read widely, beyond just the standard curriculum on WW-I and II, but I must say that nobody's interpretation of end time prophecies appears to be accurate in a way that any of us could base our lives upon. And, that was the essence of the old WCG. It was what we as members were supposed to do! Radio talk show host Michael Medved seems to have a deep understanding of the rebirth of Israel from the Balfour Declaration forward, but neither HWA, nor the evangelical end time ministers appear to have an inspired sense of prophecy. Their interpretations continue to fail.
Oddly enough, we live in times when a president from HWA and the evangelicals' favorite party actually appears to be fomenting the end time events by making the world hate us, and escewing the globalism which has up to this point prevented World War III. This is yet another reason why I feel these churches do not know their butts from a hole in the ground! They are actually cheering the president on, and acting as if "the Lord has delayed His return".
BB
Oddly enough, we live in times when a president from HWA and the evangelicals' favorite party actually appears to be fomenting the end time events by making the world hate us, and escewing the globalism which has up to this point prevented World War III. This is yet another reason why I feel these churches do not know their butts from a hole in the ground! They are actually cheering the president on, and acting as if "the Lord has delayed His return".
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I swallowed the entire HWA experience hook line and sinker and believed it to the last drop, when I started in the WCG back in the 80's when I became an adult. I still have a copy of "1975 in Prophecy" that my dad received and I read when I was very young. It was not until I left the GCG/GTA/Dankenbring orbit that I began to get a handle on prophecy. By his fruits, I am convinced that Trump is indeed the King of the North, and will lead this world up to and through Armageddon. Don't be fooled that he's not a "globalist". Just look who he put in his cabinate, not to mention Kushner and his relationship with the Zionist/Bolshevik Netanyahu. I have much more to say about prophecy, but not here.
LXX
"Zionist/Bolshevik Netanyahu"
ReplyDeleteI could tell a thing or two about the Church of God's involvement with Zionism as one of the leading contributing actors from 1900 up to this day. (For instance the COG Headquarters in Jerusalem up to Netanyahu showing clay seals carrying his name to the UN main body, found through sponsored digs in Jerusalem, while he was making a point on Iran)
How BI intertwines with the Balfour declaration and the taking of Jerusalem from the Ottoman Turks from the intermarrying of Jewish bankers into the British aristocracy and the drawing of lines in the Middle East.
However I do not understand Netanyahu being a Bolshevik by the definitions available to me.
Would you care to explain the Bolshewism in both men or..........is it just another derogatory word for internationalism or globalism?
Thank you for teaching.
nck (the not so Lubavitcher)
Btw I once visited a tiny synagogue in a forgotten ally somewhere in Uzbekistan, serving some 20 left over jews. Only to find out that I was following in the footsteps of Senator Hillary Clinton herself who had gone there on request of her supporting base. I found it very interesting and followed suit by donating 10 dollars for crayons.
nck
nck posted:
ReplyDeleteHowever I do not understand Netanyahu being a Bolshevik by the definitions available to me.
Does zionist work for you? You know, from the synagogue of satan. Think the Greater Israel Project, which Bibi will achieve by using Trump do hand it over
to him (Dan 11:40-44), kind of like the Embassy move with the Temple not far behind.
LXX
I believe it is good to watch the world scene and see if there are direct applications to it in prophecy. Yet, it is not highly valuable to our relationship with the Lord. I suspect prophecy will be most valuable looking backward and seeing how the Lord fulfilled the prophecy while we didn't see it. No offense intended to anyone, but I doubt anyone is going to get much of it right before the fact.
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