As an LCG member, I am still waiting for HQ to make an announcement that services are canceled tomorrow. There is not a blip on their web site for any of us to read. Do they honestly expect us to show up at church now? The utter lack of transparency and accountability to us as members is appaling.
Well, whenever he does respond, he will talk down to us. We are too stupid for him.
ReplyDeleteHey, you have got to give the Tkach's a real pat on the back for being ahead of the curve!.
ReplyDeleteThey literally "CANCELLED" the whole Worldwide Church of God, and ended "Sabbath Services" way back in the 1990s. An argument can be made for them being 25 years ahead of their time!
Then why did you stay on in UCG Tonto ? Being living a lie for all those years?
DeleteMaybe you should all go on strike.
ReplyDeleteIf there is a mass loss of attendance, they should come to their senses.
The problem I faced, was there was no better choice, so I dropped out of the WCG/COG movement completely.
Sing Along Time!-- Sing to the tune "The Letter" by the Box Tops 1967 (and Joe Crocker too)
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https://youtu.be/BQaUs5J2wdI
Gimme a virus ...on an airplane
Let me catch it ...on a a fast train
Common sense is out,... arrogance we shout
Gerald, just a wrote me a letter
I don't care how many lives we gotta end
Got to get back for ...Elders Meeting again
Common sense is gone, lets catch a flu syndrome
Gerald, just a wrote me a letter!
Tonto left out the chorus to "The Letter"
ReplyDelete......Gerald, just a wrote me a letter
Well he wrote me a letter
Said he couldn't live without me no more
Listen, brethren, can't you see I got to get back
To prostrate on the floor....
for the pay, yeah....
Gimme a virus on an aeroplane.... .
What many of these people probably don't realize is that health authorities in our democracy are attempting to achieve something voluntarily that totalitarian socialist countries did by brute force. They are trying to limit community exposure of this virus in an effort to contain it so that it does not become part of the annual pallette of communicable diseases, such as the flu. It is difficult to make this be important to people who believe that these are the end times, and that nothing humans could do matters, because the diseases are God's punishment on people for not accepting Armstrongism as God's government on planet Earth and for all eternity. People in "the world", such as the NBA, NHL, and NASCAR are voluntarily losing millions of dollars for the greater good of humanity, and others are enduring hardship through unemployment during these difficult times. This actually demonstrates something which Armstrongism does not accept, which is the basic goodness that comes out in humanity every time there is an immediate threat to our well-being or survival.
ReplyDeleteHopefully, the discussions we have conducted here which have inflamed the power structures of LCG and other ACOGs have served as further education for the deceived. Somehow, I doubt that. I believe that suspension of the ministerial conference and sabbath services were not an act of actual repentence, but were for outward appearance after these powers had been shamed.
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They won't cancel services. They realize that if they lose control of the membership this will cost them financially. Leaving the membership at home for several weeks might help the people to realize how nice it is to skip out of mind numbing, boring and depressing sermons that make you feel like crap when its all over.
ReplyDeleteThe groups that worry me is Flurry or Pack. They are both narcissistic,Stalin-like personalities who have no regard for destructive effects if their actions. I can see them continuing to have services and probably calling for another "Emergency Fast" for tithes & income since a lot if people could be missing work. I doubt they take in account what the results if prolonged fasts do to their largely geriatric brethren, many who may be diabetic or suffer other age related conditions. But Flurry does not allow conventional medical treatment unless it is for himself or cronies.
ReplyDeleteThe cult mentality runs strong in LCG too. In fact it's stronger today than when RCM was alive. The struggle to keep people in line is growing stronger.
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Thanks for your cooperation in these times
Kim Jong-Un
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Number of cases of Coronavirus in North Korea:
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThen why did you stay on in UCG Tonto ? Being living a lie for all those years?
March 14, 2020 at 1:36 AM
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My reference to the Tkaches is a parody about not having Sabbath Services because of the Corona Virus. In other words, they shut down early, by 25 years LOL. It is not a statement against the viability of the Sabbath. I practice the 7th Day Sabbath, as a matter of faith.
Im not sure what you mean by the statement of "stay on in UCG". Just because someone shows up somewhere, does not mean that you are OWNED by them, or that you are a "member". I claim membership of no human church, and have not for a long , long time. The Body of Christ is a transcendent thing, and only he knows who his true sheep are.
There are wonderful people, worth knowing , at most any church of any kind, including Sunday Churches, Synagogues , even Mosques. There are also crazies, sociopaths, and wolves.
I have attended Sabbatarian churches of all stripes, Seventh Day Baptists, SDA, COG 7th Day, Messianic, Indys, and a number of WCG spinoffs, which include the UCG, CGI, COGWA etc. I probably most identify with the COG 7th Day in terms of doctrine, sociology and governance. Since you seem to want to"label people" and put them into some kind of box, then the COG 7th Day is probably the best fit (although I do also believe in the annual Sabbaths as well, as do some of the COG 7 people do too).
I hold no titles, never have had a religious title, and have NEVER received a dime in compensation, employment or inurement from any church EVER, nor has my spouse. So not quite sure what you mean that I am a liar. I demand an apology.
I solemnly affirm that what I just written is the absolute truth, gravely and seriously in the sight of God.
The fundamental issues for the various splinter groups has not to do with the ethics of administrative actions in face of a pandemic but, rather, the question of whether their theodicy holds up under this kind of stress.
ReplyDeleteThe backbone principle of Armstrongist theodicy is the following:
"If you are righteous, no harm will ever come to you and you will be blessed."
This lead to the following in WCG history:
1. Erroneous belief that if you are righteous, you will be protected from illness.
2. Splinter ministers orchestrating events to make it look like they are blessed, including their health, as a credential of their approval by God.
3. Judging people who are sick as being unrighteous and faithless.
4. Supporting a wrong ideas about healing.
The leitmotif that runs through this theodicy is called Performance Christianity. Back in the old days, anyone who was concerned about contagion would be deemed an unrighteous, faithless wimp. A bone would be thrown to the principle of quarantine since it can be found in the OT. For the really top drawer Armstrongists it would be "All is well, all is well with my soul..."
In brief, this should lead Armstrongists to re-examine their theodicy.
I admit the North Korean posts here have me baffled. Are you saying North Korea simply shoots dead anyone with COVID-19?
ReplyDeleteAt least the U.S. "health experts" aren't going that far.
Not only has Bob Thiel not cancelled CCOG Sabbath services for today; his latest letter gives members an outline for a potential service today
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This is proof positive that Bob has no U.S. congregations large enough for social distancing to matter.
As of this morning, Saturday, March 14, the church has not put up anything for the weekly update. Here it is Sabbath and members are expected to travel and meet in groups where the potential to infect others is great. It is disgusting how little regard they have for us any more.
ReplyDeleteThe Great Bwana Bob has no more than 5 or 6 in any local "congregation." He is disingenuous when he says he has lots of U.S. and European members. U.S. and Europen people with COG backgrounds know that Bwana is a liar and a false leader. His African members see him as nothing more than an outlet for financial or goods they desire. They do not need him as a spiritual leader and never will.
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ReplyDeleteI admit the North Korean posts here have me baffled. Are you saying North Korea simply shoots dead anyone with COVID-19?
Just a bit of dictatorial jocularity RL in times like these.
These ACOG leaders must fear that if their members stop attending services, some of the brainwashing might wear off. The mental reversion to normality thingie. They might perceive that their mental health has improved, begin experiencing a sense of freedom, and the natural desire to be treated fairly and respectfully.
ReplyDeleteYep, life can be good outside the church prison. Especially being free of those nosey prison wardens.
Tonto
ReplyDeleteYou write like a outraged menopausal female. so much for "i'm a male with an ex mexican girlfriend" act. You will NEVER get an apology off me as I know EXACTLY who you are. You lie to yourself on here and have only conned yourself. You have never stepped foot in half those churches.
No-one is fooled.
You have partaken more and more of the spirit of lying.
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You write like a outraged menopausal female. so much for "i'm a male with an ex mexican girlfriend" act. You will NEVER get an apology off me as I know EXACTLY who you are. You lie to yourself on here and have only conned yourself. You have never stepped foot in half those churches.
No-one is fooled.
You have partaken more and more of the spirit of lying.
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My Response:
I restate what I wrote earlier that indeed EVERYTHING I wrote above is the HONEST TRUTH about, and yes, I have been to all of those churches many times, and even just recently.
Im honored that you "think" Im "somebody" , ...whatever that means? Im sure as heck not going to invoke a solemnly affirmed statement before God and Man and lie to you risking the displeasure of God and sinning before him for your sake.
What does it matter who I am anyway? Do you really think that anything I have EVER posted has changed one thing or really means more than a rats ass? Do you somehow imagine that Im some sort of "secret agitator" sent from some COG to infiltrate this blog and launching a psy-ops campaign?? LOL!
What is really funny, is that you are annonymous! Why are you annonymous?? Who the hell are you?? How about, "I will show you mine, if you show me yours" LOL Send me your phone number and we can chat, to
Tontosixkiller@gmail.com
Fair enough??? PS- Some of my best friends are "menopausal females" and even menopausal men!! ;-)
You are a liar. That's not a phonenumber it's an email address. Although gmail network is also what you use officially as well.
DeleteI'm not intimidated or fooled by you in anyway.
Tonto - there are no cowards on the internet. As long as they can hide behind their anonymity, they will keep piling on abuse they would never dare to say to your face.
ReplyDeleteSo says you.
DeleteVery good ANONYMOUS , that you are not intimidated or fooled by me in any way. I would never want you to be, and am not trying to do so to you, or any of the other 7 Billion "anonymous" people in the world either! ;-)
ReplyDeleteAgain, simply email me at the above address with your telephone number, and I assure you, I will give you a call and answer any questions that you might have.
You already have my number as im from your congregation. If you are genuine then why don't you give out a phone number?? As Dennis C Dhiel does?
DeleteFor the record Tonto. I know you have my phone number because you called it last year at 3am. I got your number afterwards it was recorded and i reported it to my phone line provider. I was shocked when i saw the number. I was told it was off a laptop but it was still traceable. It was after last years UCG GCE. After you travelled back. Maybe your husband knew you did it maybe he didn't.
ReplyDeleteBut God knows and thats all that matters.
I figured it would take a year at LCG to see what the new leadership was like. I was shocked how much it had gone downhill.
ReplyDeleteit was a good wake up call.
For the record Anonymous--- I have never called a church member at 3 AM, certainly NOT after the UCG GCE, as I have never been to a UCG GCE , NEVER would want to anyway, and in fact, only have been to Ohio once in my life, and that was decades ago and I was driving thru it to Pennsylvania. I am not an ordained person by ANY church organization, nor am I the spouse of one, nor have we ever made a plug nickel off of ANY church or religious organization of any type ever.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but Im a dude! LOL! You reported the number to your phone line provider?? Why did you do that? Was it obscene or something? Please do tell us the details!
Whatever the case, you have got a severe case of mistaken identity with me. The reason I have a moniker, (as nearly everybody here does) is protect myself and family from NUTCASES and stalkers, and potential Terry Ratzmann types. I think that you might be following in those lines of footsteps , as you seem obsessed with me.
And I sure as heck dont want some potential employer looking me up online and finding me connected to HWA or GTA, or any other manner of KOOK that the COG universe has produced, simply because of guilt by association.
Im willing to clear all doubts with you, and will phone you at your convenience. Simply email me with your phone number at
Tontosixkiller@gmail.com
I will call you and maintain 100% confidentiality of our chat, and will not discuss it on here or anywhere, I assure you. Thats the Christian thing to do, as obviously you are imagining some kind of offense or the like, and Matthew 18 does say we should go to one another if there is an offense.
Again, I dont know you, nor me, and what I have related to you (and spent too much time on frankly) while addressing your aggressive stance with me, is THE HONEST TRUTH, and may God be my judge it is the truth!
IM a nobody, that uses this blog as a form or catharsis and therapy for many wasted dollars and life expended on COG craziness, and who enjoys sophomoric "Babylon Bee"/ Mad Magazine satire of life. So write me, and let me call, so I can put your soul at ease, and so you won't have to post this stupid shit anymore!
Tonto
ReplyDeleteIf it was me, I would be ignoring your stalker. It's the attention that you give them by reacting to them that "feeds" them. It's a big mistake to contact them by phone or similar. The universal advice given on blogs dealing with abusive former mates is to ignore them. In the Bible, the Christ child was hidden, and God on many occasions hid his servants from those who were trying to kill them. Also note how in nature, animals hiding themselves works.
It's probably the same stalker who messes with all of us regulars from time to time. The dude is either mentally unstable or has a death wish. Sorry to see that it's Tonto's turn in the stalker's pickle barrel.
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