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Friday, October 16, 2020

Bob Thiel's African "Brethren" Do Not Consider Him A Prophet And Only Attend For The Money


 


From a reader:

A source in Kenya confirms that the attendees don't consider Bob to be a prophet, but only attend for the money. One can hardly blame them considering how impoverished they are. I'm still not clear how active Evans is with each of the groups. He seems to burn bridges along the way.


Goff Weighs In

Bill Goff

5/2/2014

There have been numerous reports concerning my relationship with Bob Thiel’s group called “Continuous COG”, most of which are false reports. For one, I did not help fund Bob Thiel’s trip to Kenya, or “rush to Kenya” to assess the situation. My stand concerning incorporated COG groups who continuously try to draw the brethren into their carnal organizations, and lord over them, has not changed since I first put my feet on the ground in Kenya back in 2005. I am totally against such behavior.

Below is a message I sent on March 15, 2014 to Evans Ochieng (Bob Thiel’s new representative in Kenya.) Following my letter is a statement to the Kenya/Tanzania brethren concerning what actions need to be taken to avoid being led astray by the confusion that carnal men continuously bring into God’s church.

First, my letter to Evans Ochieng, which I sent to him one week before Bob Thiel’s trip to Nairobi, Kenya. (I was not informed by Ochieng beforehand that Bob was planning to hold a meeting with numerous leaders from around Kenya. Although I had been working with Ochieng for some time, he kept this meeting, and all the preparations that he himself was making for it, from me.)

“Evans, I am very concerned about your connecting to Bob Thiel. I feel you have not been honest with me. For one, you told me that Bob was meeting with you for 3 days in Nairobi. But later found out that the meeting included many leaders from around Kenya/Tanzania, with you on top of Thiel's operation in Kenya. You were not honest with me concerning this matter. Also, Bob Thiel teaches many doctrines that I do not agree with, in fact many doctrines that I preach very strongly against, like believing that his group is the Philadelphians, Christ's little flock. (Just like the rest of the hierarchies like to teach concerning their groups) All this is deception to the brethren, and I will have no part of it. I'm going to stick with sincerity & truth and not going to play church games likes many false & deceived men who consider themselves "ministers" like to do. I may not have silver or gold, but I do have truth, and I will not compromise it. Please stop telling brethren that Bill Goff and Bob Thiel are together, because we're are not.

“Now If you want to represent Bob and his beliefs, that's your choice, and I will have no ill will towards you, But I will not participate in church games that consist of trying to get the brethren to join “their particular group” with all the jockeying for positions. Did not the Apostle Paul speak of this very nonsense as being carnal when he wrote to the Corinthians?

“For you are yet carnal: for as there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are you not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; and another Cephas; are ye not carnal? Is Christ divided? Was Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or Bob crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?” (1Corinthians 1:123:4)”

Let us not be confused over this matter, Brethren. I encourage God’s entire Household to remember that God's True Church (His true “Little Flock”) is a Spiritual organization and everyone who has been baptized and had hands laid on them is part of it, as long as they remain faithful to God by walking in the spirit in all of His ways. Don't follow men, follow God. It’s okay to listen to men's teachings, but don't swallow all their sayings without chewing first. (Most of these “leaders” have their own personal agendas, which are contrary to God.) Treat men’s words (all men’s words) like you do your chicken when eating KuKu, chew first, swallow only the meat, and be sure to spit out the bones.

(1Thessalonians 5:21Acts 17:112Timothy 2:15)

Let us (the members of God’s church) get our priorities straight, because our Lord & Savior is soon to return to this earth, and He will be presenting to Himself a glorious church, those who have “purified themselves” - those not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing, but who are holy and without blemish. Put your trust in God, Brethren, and not in any carnal man. Follow Christ; listen to His voice only, because following men will always lead you to the ditch. The Scriptures tell us “Cursed be the man who puts his trust in men.” (Ephesians 5:27John 10:27Jeremiah 17:5)

Polepole Brethren, let us always remember that entrance into the Kingdom of God is not determined by which incorporated church group one associates with, but by one’s behavior, by one’s actions. One must be a “Sheep” to receive from God the free gift of eternal life. One must develop the Holy Righteous Character of the Father. Make no mistake about it, “GOATS” will not be there, nor will the unrighteous, or any transgressors of God’s way. (Matthew 25:31-46,  1John 3:1-3.)

Brethren, do not be deceived by the many false men who claim to be of Christ, and have deceived many into thinking that there are hundreds of splinter groups out there to choose between. Don’t be deceived brethren, because in God’s eyes, there are only “two” groups. Yes, two groups in His church (not hundreds). Two groups, the “Wise” and the “Foolish”. The Wise are making themselves ready for the return of their Lord & Master, and will soon meet Him and go into the marriage. But the door into the marriage will be shut to the foolish. Let us wake up, let us make our calling and election sure. Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to us. Let us cleanse our hands, and purify our hearts, because He is coming quickly, and His reward is with Him to give every man according to his works. Not according to which incorporated church group he fellowships with, but according to his works. (Matthew 25:1-13, 2Peter 1:1-12James 4:8Revelation 22:12)

bill Goff


10 comments:

  1. Bill Goff does some great work trying to improve the life of those who are more unfortunate than most low class Americans. Hat's off for that. But let's talk Bob Thiel. Nearly 3 years ago I wrote a article on the fraud known as Bob Thiel. You can find it HERE

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  2. Its the ''never-ending story''. It just goes on and on and on and on and............
    The COG movement has become a great big advertisement for avoiding the COG.
    Funny old world isn't it.

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  3. ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COG ON AN ENTIRE CONTINENT ARE FOLLOWERS OF THE "TONTO CHURCH OF GOD"!

    Yes, I truthfully proclaim that all of the COG members of the huge Antarctic continent are members of my church.

    Take that Thiel and stick it in your pipe!

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  4. Poor Bob. Try as he might he still cannot do anything right. Poor little guy. When you lose the respect of 95% of your member base there is not much left except for the white folk left in America that blindly follow him.

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  5. I'm surprised by how good Bills letter is. Which ACOG teaches that it's your works rather than which church one attends that determines Christian success or failure?

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  6. Third Worlders LOVE IT when American Millerite cults have a free flagship magazine!
    If you thought the various Acog magazines were fishwrap, the 3rd-worlders prove it!

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  7. That reminded me of Alfred Doolittle (Pygmalion, My Fair Lady) to Prof. Higgins about the women who get money from six different charities for the death of the same husband.

    In my neighborhood, a local church once did a well-attended soup kitchen that gave a meal and $10 to each attendee. When they stopped giving $10, it seemed no one was hungry anymore...

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  8. "When they stopped giving $10, it seemed no one was hungry."

    HWAs minions are fully aware of this. Which is why they play the game of the unjust steward by preaching the give way. The tele evangelists do the same with their harping on generosity or similar, while hiding that relationships are a two way street.

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  9. Bob, apparently an ardent Banned follower (in the social media sense), reacted to the postings and comments about his African multiCOG congregations. His latest insult to our collective COG critiques is the moniker Satan's Allies...

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  10. Thanks Hoss
    I looked at the link, and it gives a chart of Bob's seven fulfilled dreams. In one case he dreamed that he would address a all black congregation, which he ended up giving in Kenya. But didn't he plan that?

    Bob, how about a ongoing chart of dreams before they are fulfilled?? Then we'II believe you.

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