A reader posted a link to the following article in one of the comments on another thread. It is a story from Rolling Stone Magazine about why people leave one cult and how they can be easily be attracted to another cult.
Teah Banks was born into an evangelical Christian sect called the Radio Church of God. Founded in the 1930s by an advertising sales representative turned minister, the insular group promoted an ultra-fundamentalist reading of the Old Testament, eschewing divorce, premarital sex and even wearing makeup. “It was a super closed religion,” Banks, now 42, remembers. “We had pictures of the leader in our home. We worshipped him like he was a god.”Although Banks started having questions about the group, she attended services until her 20s, when she was expelled from the organization. In 2004, she and her then-boyfriend, a filmmaker named Mark Vicente (best known for the documentary What the Bleep Do We Know?), were approached by two women who wanted Vicente to make films for their organization, NXIVM, which taught a curriculum called the Executive Success Program, or ESP. The two women (one of whom was NXIVM co-founder Nancy Salzman) raved about their leader, a mathematician, scientist, judo champion and concert-level pianist who had patented a unique method of hacking the human brain. The man’s name, the women said, was Keith Raniere.Banks and Vicente’s interest was piqued, and they agreed to join the women for lunch; when Salzman successfully used ESP methods to “cure” Banks of her lifelong lactose intolerance, she was even more intrigued. “I’m just like, wow, this is amazing. This woman is amazing,” she says. “And I said, ‘Nancy, I want to be one of your people.'” Blown away by the women and by ESP in general, Banks encouraged Vicente to take a NXIVM intensive; eventually, he bought an apartment in New York to be closer to group headquarters in Albany. She was involved with the group until 2005, when the two broke up, though she continued taking courses remotely for years afterward. Vicente, who eventually became a member of the NXIVM executive board, was involved with the group until 2017.At the time she joined NXIVM, Banks had just left one large organization with an enigmatic leader at the helm. Vicente, too, had also just extricated himself from a similarly insular fringe spiritual organization: the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, a group led by a New Age figure named JZ Knight, who claimed to be channeling a 35,000-year-old warrior deity named Ramtha. But even though they were both disillusioned with spiritual organizations, NXIVM struck them as different. “The first day you’re there, they’re like, ‘We’re not a cult. Cult is a bad word. It is used loosely,'” Banks said. “‘[We’re] a success school. We’re helping you raise your ethics.'”At this point, everyone knows the rest of the story: in March 2018, Raniere and five of his NXIVM cohorts, including Salzman, were arrested on such charges as sex trafficking, racketeering and conspiracy to commit forced labor. Raniere is currently standing trial in Brooklyn, where his former supporters (including Vicente) have testified that he, among other things, imprisoned a woman for nearly two years, convinced his followers that he controlled technology and the weather, and ran DOS, a secret all-female organization of “slaves” who were branded with his initials and told to have sex with him.The general view in the media — and among former followers like Banks and Vicente, who declined to comment, presumably due to his involvement in the case against Raniere — is that NXIVM operated not as a self-improvement “school,” but as a cult run by Raniere, who used threats and coercion to keep his followers in line. The revelations came as a shock to Banks, now a makeup artist and YouTuber based in Oregon, who had fallen out with the community after her 2006 breakup with Vicente but had kept in touch with many members and taken classes for years afterwards. She even recorded an ASMR video about her time in NXIVM, speaking at length about her feelings of guilt over her involvement. “I truly thought that this group had answers, and isn’t that why we join any group? [Because] they have answers there that we don’t have inside ourselves,” she says in the video. How People Leave One Cult — and End Up in Another: As the NXIVM case shows, “cult-hopping” is more common than you thinkHere is the video mentioned above. She apparently is a practitioner of ASMR (Autonomous sensory meridian response) which I find creepy as hell and also irritating to listen to due to the "'s's" and "sh's" that hit her microphone when she speaks. That alone destroyed the "calming" effect" she is supposedly getting across. I could only listen to a few minutes but others find her story to be fascinating.
From "Cults in our midst" by Margaret Singer, Page XXIV:
ReplyDelete"It (cults) denote a group that forms around a person who claims he or she has a special mission or knowledge, which will be shared with those who turn over most of their decision making to that self-appointed leader.
Because cult structure is basically authoritarian, the personality of the leader is all important. Cults come to reflect the ideas, styles and whims of the leader and become extensions of the leader.
Legend has it that all cult leaders are charismatic. In reality, charisma is less important than skills of persuasion and the ability to manipulate others.
Sometimes people laugh when I tell them about the content of certain cultic group or show films about the groups. For example, I tell than about assisting former members of a horse cult, an outer space cult, a sports cult, a weight lifting cult, a music cult, a diet cult, and a hair dressing cult."
“We had pictures of the leader in our home. We worshipped him like he was a god.”
ReplyDeleteSpeak for yourself lady. I never did. Are you sure you are not Gerald Flurry's daughter?
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DeleteJust because her church experience is different to yours doesn’t mean hers is untrue.
I remember as a small boy going to ghe Feast of Tabernacles in Pasadena. This old man came onto the stage to give a sermon, and everybody started applauding. I was bewildered—we had never clapped a minister before.
DeleteI have loved ones in RCG. They did some ‘cult hopping’ also, going from WWCG to UCG. Then landed at RCG. Listening to them idolizing Herbert Armstrong makes my skin crawl. They talk about him as if he was Jesus Christ himself. The sad thing is, that they idolize David Pack in a similar way. It is as if they can’t be happy without someone to look up to. They’re like teenagers.
ReplyDeleteAnd they do have a picture of “The Wonderful Mr Armstrong” and his wife hanging in the hallway.
Phantastic. I thought we needed the rainforest to find cures. But hey, there is a cure for incurable lactose intollerance............ it only took 3000 years for the European hunter gatherers to be replaced by the anatolian farmers, but hey NXIVM found the cure for an incurable phenomenon.
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The idolatry of HWA and the false doctrine of Church Government replaced the focus off of Christ. It damned Worldwide and most of the splits like LCG, Pack & Flurry to failure. When you only retain about 5% of the children growing up in the church you won't continue over generations. The examples of Christ and those of HWA, and his HWA wannabes like Flurry & Pack are totally opposite.
ReplyDeleteIf you tend to be a dependent personality type, you need someone to be your parent, someone telling you what to do, what to think, etc. The cult leader is the perfect fit for you. I think that certain personalities are attracted to cults and when they leave one, they jump into another. Always looking for the right person to make decisions for them. And why not? It makes people who don't have confidence in their own ability to think and decide feel secure. If you grew up in an authoritarian atmosphere where you were dictated to by Mom and Dad, never able to learn to make your own decisions, you need a cult leader to continue where your parents left off. This doesn't explain everyone's reason for cult hopping, but I think personality types can play a part. A narcissist personality cult leader and a dependent personality follower, they can fit like a lock and and key.
ReplyDeleteIf you tend to be a dependent personality type, you need someone to be your parent, someone telling you what to do, what to think, etc. The cult leader is the perfect fit for you. I think that certain personalities are attracted to cults and when they leave one, they jump into another. Always looking for the right person to make decisions for them. And why not? It makes people who don't have confidence in their own ability to think and decide feel secure. If you grew up in an authoritarian atmosphere where you were dictated to by Mom and Dad, never able to learn to make your own decisions, you need a cult leader to continue where your parents left off. This doesn't explain everyone's reason for cult hopping, but I think personality types can play a part. A narcissist personality cult leader and a dependent personality follower, they can fit like a lock and and key.
ReplyDeleteSo good you posted it twice. Only the Ministerial elite who've a terribly narrow point of view of members and life in many areas think like this.
ReplyDeleteLife is more complicated than that. Humans far more diverse than that.
This issue of what constitutes a cult is complex. I still do not have a good, tight definition that I use. In repartee with atheists, they sometimes will refer to Christianity as a cult. This puts me on the defensive and I am never entirely satisfied with my responses.
ReplyDeleteFor instance, I regard Calvinism as a cult though Christians who care about this kind of thing would consider Calvinism to be mainstream though very different from Arminianism. And, of course, I have read the Calvinist opinion that Arminianism is a cult. Is heresy a sufficient condition for identifying a cult? Is personality/leader worship a sufficient condition? Is it theological or sociological or a combination of both? Is it an implementation of certain malevolent psychological techniques? Can materialistic atheism be considered a cult albeit without a deity? Is it just a melodramatic term used to spice up otherwise bland rhetoric?
I have a tendency to rely on that old saw "I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it." But that is never really satisfying. Too subjective. Maybe we should sort religious groups based on their destructiveness and the most destructive receive the grand moniker of "cult." But what about those religions that don't quite make it? Do we introduce the idea or "near cult", "cultish", "cult-like" to accommodate some groups? Does any religious group even escape being placed on this spectrum? Should the best possible state be described as "minimally cultish".
In the absence of meaningful criteria for defining a cult, it is hard to bandy this imprecise word about without feeling that it is gratuitous. Yet I believe there are dark and malign religious organizations that stalk the land, seeking whom they may devour, and we best not ignore them whatever the terminology.
NEO: there is a good definition of what makes a cult. I read ‘Combatting Cult Mind Control’, written by Steven Hassan. His ‘BITE model’ is spot on when it comes to defining what is a cult or not.
DeleteSome people are attracted to the confidence, glibness or attractiveness of BULL CRAPPERS. It happens in all manners of human activity, and the specific term is Narcissitic Sociopath.
ReplyDeleteOr some people are attracted to intense deception Tonto.
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ReplyDeleteThe latest edition of Steven Hassan's book is title "Combating cult mind control," ie, they dropped a t.
I get the impression that NEO is invalidating the first (8.37 PM) comment.
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ReplyDeleteI had not read that post when I wrote my comment. But just now I scrolled up and had a look. The problem with this kind of definition is that it casts too broad of a net. Certain minority views in science could be considered cultish rather than just alternative. I think our current president leads a large cult. Most people would probably not agree with that. I will check into Steven Hassan's views.
From "Cults in our midst" continued:
ReplyDelete"Modern day cults and thought reform groups tend to offer apparent utopias, places where all mankind's ills will be cured. The cults' lure is, if you just come along, all will be fine, and everyone will live happily ever after."
Comment: the above explains HWA claiming that the gospel is Christ's message of a coming millennium utopia rather than the person of Christ.
"Eventually, these groups subject their followers to mind-numbing treatments that block critical and evaluative thinking and subjugate independent choice in a context of a strictly enforced hierarchy.
The wisdom of the ages is that is that most manipulation is subtle and covert. When Orwell drew on this wisdom, he envisioned the insidious but successful mind and opinion manipulator. He would appear as a smiling, seemingly benevolent Big Brother. But instead of one Big Brother, we see hordes of Big Bothers in the world today. Many of them are cult leaders."