Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders

Thursday, March 4, 2021

Dave Pack: [Ex-members] are people who sin a sin unto death. They start beating us, and giving up all the "laws of God" and go out and get drunk with drunks...But, they ain't all bad...

JC with his peeps...sinners, prostitutes, tax collecters, and other unclean people


From an RCG source:


Part 290 - Friday February 26th

Everyone With Us Go First!

“And I'm trying to be ever more careful to not have opinions. I'm convinced that there are people who leave this church and they are saints, and at the same time, they were expelled from the church by God, Who said, "If they're here last, they're going first and they're not going first." So you and I have to be very careful that we don't assume we won't spend all eternity with those people.

That's a sobering, and a very wonderful thing to think about. I'm trying to be more careful than ever because it's easy to fall into, "They left us, they're gone." Well I guess you could begin to say, there are people who sin a sin unto death. They start beating us, and giving up all the "laws of God" and go out and get drunk with drunks. Then it doesn't look good for them, from what I see. But a lot of them don't do that.

Now, they may not go with another group, but they may go home and don't know what to do. Because after you've been here, and you're disenchanted here, for some reason, no other group works very well. And those people bounce, because they go in and they see all kinds of collapsed standards, all kinds of problems, all kinds of dress, all kinds of attitudes, all kinds of beliefs and too proud to come back. They'll often go home, say, "wow, it was, it was really bad. It's kind of like what I heard" and you, and I might say, well, "Why don't they come back?" And the answer is, They're not going first, but even if they go home and doesn't necessarily mean that they're still trying to tithe, they're going to go somewhere for the Feast or hold onto their beliefs, don't judge them. If you can wallow with hogs and whores and blow your inheritance and get eternal life, then we shouldn't give up on them, like the prodigal son I'll return to my father. And when he did that, he was in a real bad state.

So I thought it was, It would be encouraging to think of it from that perspective. There are people who are leaving and I see it differently now. If you're here at the end, meaning you heard all of this, you're "going first." Some may have been blessed at the 1335, they accepted all of that, others maybe have to sign on and understand more things and then they are, and there are others who just, they bolt. But that doesn't mean they bolted and dove into the Lake of Fire or into the furnace or they're going to be destroyed by, by the God who is a consuming fire. A fiery indignation, you know, all the verses. 
 
It may just mean, God said, I can't. I made a promise in the scriptures over and over. If they're here at the last, they made it through the whole long, difficult, wonderful, but sometimes painful process. They're "going first" end of story. So you cannot have anybody here at the end who's not going to go first, or it wasn't a true statement. Took me a long to figure that out, that everybody who goes out isnt a "mocker and a scoffer" who wants to run after their own lusts. Not everybody's the same. And again, I hope that I hope that is encouraging to understand. 
 
So truly "The Mystery of God" is unfolding. Maybe it's better to say the "Mystery of God is Truly Unfolding." It is partially at least about how these two awesome beings work together in all they do as they work with us.”

Comment: In order to soothe the remaining membership, Dave claims, those who left his church actually could still “make it” and wouldn’t be destroyed by his god. That said, if you become a mocker, scoffer, run after your own lusts (e.g. not give all your money up in “common”) “beat RCG,” leave the diminishing and corrupt Armstrongist movement, or get drunk (?) then you will be destroyed by his god. That said, you still need to be in Dave’s version of the “True Church” to be saved, so basically copying Catholic theology. 


15 comments:


  1. The Physical and Spiritual DISASTER of Following David C. Pack

    Rather than going and finding their Bibles, blowing the dust off them, and actually reading them, David Pack's current followers have “itching ears” that like to be entertained by endless prophetic nonsense that continually fails. They think they can be smarter and better and more righteous than everyone else simply by being more gullible and foolish and sinful than anyone else.

    David Pack's current followers are a bunch of deluded masochists who think they can earn their own salvation by constantly slaving away for Dave Pack 25/8/366 and that they can buy their own salvation by giving their own money, plus borrowed money, and everything else they have, to Dave Pack.

    These FOOLISH SINNERS will ultimately attain the physical state known as DESTITUTION and the spiritual state known as DISILLUSIONMENT.

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  2. What’s The Great Packster’s obsession with members leaving lately? Are there too many walking out on him?

    Poor Dave.. Soon he has to start working to earn a living. Day after day members leaving and the free money vanishing.

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  3. Dave Pack is a nut case. Don’t walk, run to the nearest exit.

    Live your life. Be with your family. Enjoy your family. Be kind, be patient, be gentle and be considerate. That is all that is required of you. You don’t need a jackass like Pack telling you what to do. He doesn’t have a clue about prophecy or when Christ will return.

    Jim-AZ

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    1. And he doesn’t know how to love his family (he drove them all away) or anyone other than himself. He is not fit to be a role model or leader. He is a psychopath.

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  4. By the time Dave has fleeced them of all their money and property I'd guess the wouldn't be any money left for wine, women and song.

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  5. Of course just a few weeks back when Dave was ranting about people leaving he spoke of one man who came to HQ a few times and got fed up, evidently, with all of Dave's blather. Dave was not so kind to this one. When he says "he blew his brains out..." etc, he didn't mean literally as far as I can tell. This was in association with "if you leave, you may as well...." but maybe he'll repent.

    Dave Pack said: ...and he was really angry saying it ( I have the video but cannot post it)

    "You were required because of a high bar to remain patient and wait for Christ..  I'm done, I'm leaving, There was a man who got the letter last week ....said "I'm outta here, I'm going to go get married." (he) put a gun to his head and blew his brains out, maybe he'll repent quickly, I'm gonna go find a wife, I'm not waiting anymore....."

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  6. PACK WROTE: “And I'm trying to be ever more careful to not have opinions"

    MY COMMENT:
    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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  7. Now, they may not go with another group, but they may go home and don't know what to do. Because after you've been here, and you're disenchanted here, for some reason, no other group works very well. And those people bounce, because they go in and they see all kinds of collapsed standards, all kinds of problems, all kinds of dress, all kinds of attitudes, all kinds of beliefs and too proud to come back. They'll often go home, say, "wow, it was, it was really bad. It's kind of like what I heard" and you, and I might say, well, "Why don't they come back?"

    After the average member has had their mind railroaded into wild speculation, long meandering religious scenarios, pompous vanity, idol entertainment, fear mongering and forced spartan living year after year after year, just where does a person go?

    As I was leaving, the members were, after listening to 2 1/2 - 5 hours of a sermon message, sitting for two more hours with charts and timelines trying to "figure" it "all" out. Of course the "all" is a continuous moving target that can never be captured or understood.

    With the non-stop debasement of all potential competition (other COGs), how does the RCG member with the "RCG one mind" walk into a splinter and not think of themselves more highly because of the way they dress or their "enlightened knowledge"?

    Dave Pack has created and operated a business model where his members cannot walk in agreement in their minds with any other religious entity. In the Laodicean age with vast and far and wide splintering, Dave has "successfully" created a monopoly. This is why he brags that ministers leave and don't take any members with them or members leave and can't or don't go or don't stay anywhere.

    What minister wants to take members whose minds need nine years of scrubbing to get rid of the last nine years of Dave (I am the bible) Pack. And the member who has to erase all the fulfillments of Dave pack out of their bibles and some how sort out in their minds who comes first; the man of sin?, Dave Pack's (Elijah the twig) kingdom?, the Fathers Kingdom? or Jesus Christ's Kingdom?

    So Dave rightfully does ask; "why don't they come back"?

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    1. All cults use a variety of tricks to keep their members chained to their group.

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  8. "What’s The Great Packster’s obsession with members leaving lately?"

    There must be an accelerating exodus -- down to 500 tithebots now?

    We are witnessing history as a once blazing ACoG becomes a Black Dwarf

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  9. It's quite a spectacle seeing the world's most important man neutered by cash starvation.

    Avert your gaze, it's getting ugly, not a sight for the faint of heart.

    "Mean-while..." (voice of William Dozier on Batman)
    ...over at Edmond, they're scrambling for cash to gas-up the Grumman-prophetmobile...

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  10. Because after you've been here...

    There is baggage. One may want to join another splinter that is "like RCG" (in doctrine) but "without..." - without the pieces that made one leave, which was probably DCP.

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  11. March 4 at 11:56 AM mentions "the spiritual state known as DISILLUSIONMENT."

    The surest way to avoid disillusionment is to avoid falling into a state of illusionment in the first place. For those trapped by illusion, disillusionment is a necessary, if painful, step in getting out.


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  12. Those who leave RCG do not question whether it is only David Pack who is the problem. They just tell themselves they have to stay in Armstrong's system. For me it is Armstrong and his false doctrines that are the problems. People like Pack and Flury are just offspring of the problem. You have to re-examine Armstrong's doctrines and you will see that this is where the problem is.

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    1. This is 100% correct. Most don't question what they were taught to believe and whether it's true. Funny how the COGs rail on that with regards to Christmas, but when the superstructure of their belief collapses, they never ask if it's the system that's the problem, not just the purveyor of it.

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