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If you scroll down a bit in the list, you will come across these two: “Attleboro Sect”: Roland and Jacques Robidoux Pt. 2 “Attleboro Sect”: Roland and Jacques Robidoux Pt. 1 This group was a splinter from the old WCG in the Providence RI/MA area. The sect was mainly an extended family that grew more weird than WCG and continued to get stranger in the years after WCG. One of their young children died from starvation. The boy's parents believed they were getting messages from God telling them not to feed him. If I recall correctly, this tragedy occurred in the early 1990's. Massachusetts Department of Children and Families was looking for foster parents to take care of the other children of this murderous couple. It seemed to me that the official WCG take on the incident was to deny any involvement with or memory of these people. However, a Providence Local Elder and his wife (residents of Mass.) became foster parents to some of the children - under the guise that it would be less culture shock for the cult children if they were placed in a WCG home. I hope Mass. DCF learned a lesson from that mistake and that the kids eventually made it to safety. That Local Elder is now practicing with LCG.
Joshua V. Himes: "Then two events combined to give Miller a much larger audience. First, in 1838 he published his "Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ, About the Year 1843." Next he made an excursion to the large cities in New England for a series of lectures. At Exeter, New Hampshire, he met Joshua V. Himes, pastor of the Chardon Street Baptist Chapel in Boston. Himes sensed immediately the power in the message of the quiet, middle-aged farmer, and he joined Miller as his manager and publicity agent. Himes equipped Miller with a great chart displaying the millennial calculations in graphic form . . . edited two journals—New York's 'Midnight Cry' and Boston's 'Signs of the Times.'" (from Christianity Today)
"He organized extensive lecture tours for Miller and himself as far west as Cincinnati, brought about the manufacture of the "great tent," at that time the largest tent in the United States, for use on these tours, and established a network of agents, book depots, and reading rooms from Boston to St. Louis. He also published the Thayer lithograph of the first Millerite prophetic chart . . ." (from Wikipedia)
"Like Miller, Himes at first opposed the setting of October 22, 1844 as the exact date for the return of Christ, but accepted it shortly before the date arrived. The date passed without incident, and Himes and Miller were the subjects of intense scrutiny and accusations." (from Wikipedia)
Note: Didn't the Radio Church of God once claim to have the biggest tent in the country? It was for the Feast of Tabernacles as I recall.
The WCG used to claim that the FOT was the "Worlds Largest Regularly Scheduled Annual Event Conference" or something similar . That may have been true with about 150k attending near the peak of FOT attendance in the 1980s.
It also claimed to purchase "More Radio Wattage" than any other religious broadcaster. That too may have been true.
The WCG lied to us even about Feast broadcasts around the world. We were NEVER the largest annually scheduled event in the world nor did we have the highest number of viewers,
The Mormon church has a yearly conference that is seen by millions around the world. They were doing it by satellite before WCG ever did. Even before satellite, the conference was held worldwide. They started these conferences in 1830 and this year is 191 years of them meeting like this, in the fall, no less.
Their conference center in Salt Lake City seats 21,000 people, more than all of the combined COG numbers today...if you can even trust COGs to tell the truth on how many members they actually have attending vs what is on the membership rolls. GCI claims 50,000 members and most of us know that this utter bullshit. You can't trust their numbers any more than you can trust Bob Thiel's numbers, Wade Cox's, and even LCG, PCG, RCG, and UCG.
I recall in particular hearing of a huge tent that the Radio Church of God had. I remember church members back in the last century telling me about how the tent would leak and get people wet during services. And it required many people to put it up and take it down. A WCG member who described this to me is now deceased so I can't verify this account with him.
NEO. that's 100% true. When we started we went to the Jekyll Island site. It was a huge tent that members helped set up. During hurricanes and bad storms, the church did not cancel services and instead held them inside the leaking wind-whipped tent. Groups of men had to gather around the large tent poles to hold them down as they bounced during the storm. ran water would flow into the tent so deep that you had to put your feet on the metal rungs of the chair in front of you. The rain would be leaking in so much that it was busting the light bulbs hanging from the tent. As soon as the rainwater hit the hot bulb it would explode all over members. The church thought nothing wrong about any of this.
It was the same in Mt Pocono when it started before they built the metal oven. One year there were tornado warnings out and they still held services. The same thing happened. Men had to hold down the tent poles as the wind whipped through and ran water-formed rivers under the metal chairs.
Miller and Himes didn't have anything on the latter day Millerites:
"A local newspaper, The Gladewater Daily Mirror, proclaimed in its Sept. 28, 1966 edition that the Radio Church of God expected 15,000 people to attend the Feast that year. “Measuring 445 feet by 220 feet with six ridge poles, the tent has a seating capacity of 15,000,” stated the article. “It is the largest known tent in the world.“"
The statement above is from Cartwright's "The Journal: News of the Churches of God". There is also a picture of the tent on the front page. Truly amazing. It can be seen at:
I'm not sure I would go inside that thing. So the Millerites, twice, had the world's largest tent. There must be something profound in this. I just haven't figured out what.
We all had faith that we would be protected and prayed silently. Fortunately, there were no major disasters. Some of the more interesting theories to emerge from quantum mechanic scientists is that consciousness is related to quantum physics. Maybe the influence of thousands of minds did affect things. There are so many strange things about quantum mechanics - a lot of which has been proven already - that maybe we can affect reality - especially a large group of us. Individual families still had problems and tragedies, so if there are effects, it seems like it requires large groups.
If you scroll down a bit in the list, you will come across these two:
ReplyDelete“Attleboro Sect”: Roland and Jacques Robidoux Pt. 2
“Attleboro Sect”: Roland and Jacques Robidoux Pt. 1
This group was a splinter from the old WCG in the Providence RI/MA area.
The sect was mainly an extended family that grew more weird than WCG and continued to get stranger in the years after WCG.
One of their young children died from starvation.
The boy's parents believed they were getting messages from God telling them not to feed him.
If I recall correctly, this tragedy occurred in the early 1990's.
Massachusetts Department of Children and Families was looking for foster parents to take care of the other children of this murderous couple.
It seemed to me that the official WCG take on the incident was to deny any involvement with or memory of these people.
However, a Providence Local Elder and his wife (residents of Mass.) became foster parents to some of the children - under the guise that it would be less culture shock for the cult children if they were placed in a WCG home.
I hope Mass. DCF learned a lesson from that mistake and that the kids eventually made it to safety.
That Local Elder is now practicing with LCG.
Wow!, ...your own CULT channel available on Spotify?
ReplyDeleteWell, at least there is a "buyer beware disclaimer" if you buy in to this crap after fully knowing that it is a CULT!
From "Old Neo's Book of Practical Millerites":
ReplyDeleteJoshua V. Himes: "Then two events combined to give Miller a much larger audience. First, in 1838 he published his "Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ, About the Year 1843." Next he made an excursion to the large cities in New England for a series of lectures. At Exeter, New Hampshire, he met Joshua V. Himes, pastor of the Chardon Street Baptist Chapel in Boston. Himes sensed immediately the power in the message of the quiet, middle-aged farmer, and he joined Miller as his manager and publicity agent. Himes equipped Miller with a great chart displaying the millennial calculations in graphic form
. . . edited two journals—New York's 'Midnight Cry' and Boston's 'Signs of the Times.'" (from Christianity Today)
"He organized extensive lecture tours for Miller and himself as far west as Cincinnati, brought about the manufacture of the "great tent," at that time the largest tent in the United States, for use on these tours, and established a network of agents, book depots, and reading rooms from Boston to St. Louis. He also published the Thayer lithograph of the first Millerite prophetic chart . . ." (from Wikipedia)
"Like Miller, Himes at first opposed the setting of October 22, 1844 as the exact date for the return of Christ, but accepted it shortly before the date arrived. The date passed without incident, and Himes and Miller were the subjects of intense scrutiny and accusations." (from Wikipedia)
Note: Didn't the Radio Church of God once claim to have the biggest tent in the country? It was for the Feast of Tabernacles as I recall.
What goeth around cometh around . . .
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NEO:
ReplyDeleteThe WCG used to claim that the FOT was the "Worlds Largest Regularly Scheduled Annual Event Conference" or something similar . That may have been true with about 150k attending near the peak of FOT attendance in the 1980s.
It also claimed to purchase "More Radio Wattage" than any other religious broadcaster. That too may have been true.
The WCG lied to us even about Feast broadcasts around the world. We were NEVER the largest annually scheduled event in the world nor did we have the highest number of viewers,
ReplyDeleteThe Mormon church has a yearly conference that is seen by millions around the world. They were doing it by satellite before WCG ever did. Even before satellite, the conference was held worldwide. They started these conferences in 1830 and this year is 191 years of them meeting like this, in the fall, no less.
Their conference center in Salt Lake City seats 21,000 people, more than all of the combined COG numbers today...if you can even trust COGs to tell the truth on how many members they actually have attending vs what is on the membership rolls. GCI claims 50,000 members and most of us know that this utter bullshit. You can't trust their numbers any more than you can trust Bob Thiel's numbers, Wade Cox's, and even LCG, PCG, RCG, and UCG.
I recall in particular hearing of a huge tent that the Radio Church of God had. I remember church members back in the last century telling me about how the tent would leak and get people wet during services. And it required many people to put it up and take it down. A WCG member who described this to me is now deceased so I can't verify this account with him.
ReplyDeleteNEO. that's 100% true. When we started we went to the Jekyll Island site. It was a huge tent that members helped set up. During hurricanes and bad storms, the church did not cancel services and instead held them inside the leaking wind-whipped tent. Groups of men had to gather around the large tent poles to hold them down as they bounced during the storm. ran water would flow into the tent so deep that you had to put your feet on the metal rungs of the chair in front of you. The rain would be leaking in so much that it was busting the light bulbs hanging from the tent. As soon as the rainwater hit the hot bulb it would explode all over members. The church thought nothing wrong about any of this.
ReplyDeleteIt was the same in Mt Pocono when it started before they built the metal oven. One year there were tornado warnings out and they still held services. The same thing happened. Men had to hold down the tent poles as the wind whipped through and ran water-formed rivers under the metal chairs.
NO2HWA:
ReplyDeleteMiller and Himes didn't have anything on the latter day Millerites:
"A local newspaper, The Gladewater Daily Mirror, proclaimed in its Sept. 28, 1966 edition that the Radio Church of God expected 15,000 people to attend the Feast that year.
“Measuring 445 feet by 220 feet with six ridge poles, the tent has a seating capacity of 15,000,” stated the article. “It is the largest known tent in the world.“"
The statement above is from Cartwright's "The Journal: News of the Churches of God". There is also a picture of the tent on the front page. Truly amazing. It can be seen at:
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/ABC/Church%20of%20God%20History%20(WCG)/History%20of%20Big%20Sandy%20FOT.pdf
I'm not sure I would go inside that thing. So the Millerites, twice, had the world's largest tent. There must be something profound in this. I just haven't figured out what.
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We all had faith that we would be protected and prayed silently.
ReplyDeleteFortunately, there were no major disasters.
Some of the more interesting theories to emerge from quantum mechanic scientists is that consciousness is related to quantum physics.
Maybe the influence of thousands of minds did affect things.
There are so many strange things about quantum mechanics - a lot of which has been proven already - that maybe we can affect reality - especially a large group of us.
Individual families still had problems and tragedies, so if there are effects, it seems like it requires large groups.