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Saturday, September 4, 2021

Does The Feast Of Tabernacles Describe The Millennium As The COG Teaches?







In Pagan Holidays – or God’s Holy Days – Which? Herbert Armstrong wrote about the symbolism of the Feast of Tabernacles: “This festival is the picture of the Millennium!” Unfortunately, when Armstrong decided that Christians were obligated to observe the festivals outlined in the Pentateuch for the Israelites, he was not careful to follow scriptural hints regarding the deeper spiritual implications/meanings of the days. Since his death, a great many folks have challenged his understandings about the symbolism involved in some of the other holy days. Even so, Armstrong’s teachings about the meaning of the FOT still enjoy widespread acceptance within the Armstrong Churches of God culture.

The problem with Mr. Armstrong’s understanding of this feast was his slavish devotion to the notion that they pictured a progression of events within God’s plans for humankind. Hence, although he recognized the significance of the spring and fall harvests relative to these festivals, he failed to integrate that understanding with other scriptures related to both the symbolic meanings of certain rituals and the events themselves. “How can that be?” his devoted followers will demand.

In the booklet referenced at the beginning of this post, Armstrong wrote: “To portray His plan, God took the yearly material harvest seasons in ancient Israel as the picture of the spiritual harvest of souls. In the Holy Land there are two annual harvests. The first is the spring grain harvest. Second comes the main harvest. Notice that the Festival of Tabernacles is to be held ‘at the year's end’ (Ex. 34:22). In this verse the Festival of Tabernacles or Booths is specifically called the ‘feast of ingathering.’ The harvest year ended at the beginning of autumn. Just as Pentecost pictures the early harvest — this church age, so the Festival of Ingatherings or Tabernacles pictures the fall harvest — the great harvest of souls in the Millennium!”

The problem with this teaching is that it doesn’t agree with what is revealed about the timing of this great harvest of souls which is elaborated on in the book of Revelation! In the twentieth chapter of that book, we read: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” – Revelation 20:4-5 Notice here that the first resurrection is clearly associated with the millennium. Continuing, we read: “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison…And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” – Revelation 20:7-13 Hence, we can clearly see that this great harvest of souls takes place AFTER the millennium, and AFTER Satan and his minions have been dealt with once and for all!

Moreover, Herbert Armstrong completely ignored the profound symbolism surrounding this festival which is recorded in the oft quoted twenty-third chapter of Leviticus, and which is further elaborated on quite extensively in the New Testament! I know that these arguments will have zero impact on the folks who have willingly swallowed the Armstrong Kool-Aid, but it is my hope that serious students of the Bible who are willing to take a second look might be persuaded by what is clearly revealed in Scripture regarding the symbolism of this festival.

In the book of Leviticus, we read: “Remember that this seven-day festival to the Lord – the Festival of Shelters – begins on the fifteenth day of the month, after you have harvested all the produce of the land…On the first day gather branches from magnificent trees – palm fronds, boughs from leafy trees, and willows that grow by the streams…For seven days you must live outside in little shelters. All native-born Israelites must live in shelters. This will remind each new generation of Israelites that I made their ancestors live in shelters when I rescued them from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’” (Leviticus 23:39-43, New Living Translation –here and throughout the rest of this article, unless otherwise noted)

Scripture indicates that the Israelites were told to live in temporary shelters each year for eight days so that they would not forget that they had lived in tents after leaving Egypt and before reaching the Promised Land. In the book of Hebrews, we read: “It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to LEAVE HOME (emphasis mine here and throughout) and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going. And even when he reached the land God promised him, HE LIVED THERE BY FAITH – for he was like a foreigner living in tents. And so did Isaac and Jacob, who inherited the same promise. Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.” (Hebrews 11:8-10) In short, Abraham and his descendants were looking forward to a better and more permanent home.

A little further, we read: “All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. THEY AGREED THAT THEY WERE FOREIGNERS AND NOMADS HERE ON EARTH. Obviously, people who say such things are looking forward to a country they can call their own. If they had longed for the country they came from, they could have gone back. But they were looking for a better place, a heavenly homeland. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.” (Hebrews 11:13-16) Do we begin to see the connection to our own circumstances as Christians?

Like the Israelites of old, God has called us out of Egypt (this sinful society) and has led us out into the wilderness. (John 6:44) We are different and peculiar compared to the people around us. (I Peter 2:9) Like the Israelites, we are heirs of the promises made to Abraham. (Galatians 3:29) Finally, we are also like the Israelites in the sense that we too are looking for a Promised Land (the Kingdom of God). Like the patriarchs of old, we are truly strangers and pilgrims on the earth as it now exists – the one deceived and influenced by Satan the devil.

There is, however, another meaning to this symbolism that is less general and more personal. Although it is unpleasant to contemplate, each one of us has an appointment with death. (Hebrews 9:27) Somewhere in the back of our minds, all of us understand that this life that we are currently enjoying is temporary – it will not last forever (we are subject to time and chance). Paul once told the saints at Corinth, “that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.” (I Corinthians 15:50) He went on to tell them that “our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.” (I Corinthians 15:53)

Sometime later, Paul wrote another letter to the Corinthians. He told them that the light of Christ was shining in their hearts, but he described that treasure as residing in fragile clay jars. (II Corinthians 4:7) He talked about how Christians must face many trials and perils because of their association with Jesus Christ, but that this had resulted in them having the hope of eternal life. (II Corinthians 4:8-15) He continued: “That is why we never give up. Though our bodies are dying, our spirits are being renewed every day. For our present troubles are small AND WON’T LAST VERY LONG. Yet they produce for us a glory that vastly outweighs them and will last forever! So we don’t look at the troubles we can see now; rather, we fix our gaze on things that cannot be seen. For the things we see now will soon be gone, but the things we cannot see will last forever.” (II Corinthians 4:16-18)

In other words, Paul understood that Christians are currently living in temporary shelters (human bodies), and that they are looking forward to the time when they will be living in a permanent home (spiritual bodies). In his second letter to the saints at Corinth, we read: “For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.” (II Corinthians 5:1-4, KJV)

Peter also understood this concept. In addressing the saints toward the close of his ministry, he wanted to remind them about the truths which he had previously conveyed to them. He wrote: “Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.” (II Peter 1:13-14, KJV) Peter understood that this life is not permanent, and that he was going to die. He also knew that his present body could not inherit the Kingdom of God, and that he would have to shed that body and receive a new one in the resurrection.

As strangers and pilgrims in this world, Christians are looking to exchange a temporary home for a more permanent one (one that God has provided for us). Hence, for us, this is an important component of the symbolism of this Old Testament Festival.

And, finally, perhaps the most important component of this symbolism has to do with our relationship with Christ and Almighty God – the fact that Christ tabernacled with us in the past and will do so again someday with the Father! We read in the Gospel According to John that the “Word was made flesh and dwelt <tabernacled> among us.” – John 1:14, KJV Then, at the conclusion of all things, we are told in the book of Revelation: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” - Revelation 21:1-3 I don’t know about you, but I think that this symbolism beats Armstrong’s teachings on the subject by a mile!

By Lonnie Hendrix





17 comments:

  1. Atheistic demon possed heresy! God will not be mocked!

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  2. Anonymous 9/4 @ 9:59,

    Hit a nerve? I hope that Mr. Armstrong wasn't secretly an atheist or possessed by a demon. And, while his teachings were heretical, I'd like to think that he didn't mean to intentionally mock God.

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  3. Closet athiest fools how quickly you forget. Or did you never listen properly because you worship the politics and power of church life?

    Since when has the Feast of Tabernacles only been about the Millenium ?? And a alleged exCGI member, oh please who's kidding whom.
    Since when did CGI be about Herbert?? Seriously this article is clearly written by a graduate torch carrier of Tkatch 1995 philosophy.

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  4. Some speculation:

    Leonie quotes from the NLT:

    “Remember that this SEVEN-day festival to the Lord – the Festival of Shelters...

    Then he comments:

    “Scripture indicates that the Israelites were told to live in temporary shelters each year for EIGHT days

    Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

    I would suggest that there may be a reason why it was not a requirement for dwelling in shelters on the eighth day, for the eighth-day pictures the fulfilment of the plan of God - God and Christ literally dwelling with their people.

    2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

    There will be no more “earthly tents” (2 Cor 5:1) for “man” and as a corollary, no more temporary dwellings for God.

    Ex 29:45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.
    Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    While God is holy and cannot literally dwell with His people prone to sin and ritual impurity, he still wants a relationship with them, but the closest He could come to them was having his “dwelling presence” in a temporary shelter - the Mosaic Tabernacle and Solomonic Temple under the OC and Ezekielian Temple in the future renewed covenant.

    In the Believer’s Bible Commentary it notes on Lev 23:33-44 that

    “The two Sabbaths may picture the Millennium and the Eternal Rest”.

    (These two days are not sabbats, but shabbatons, the latter being less holy time than the former).

    If so the 6 non-holy days of the Feast could picture the Great White Throne Judgment period.

    Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing impure, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:

    When the time pictured by the seven-days of temporary shelters is over, when there will be no more impure people or death, then this stage of God’s plan will have been realized, God literally dwelling with His people - no more temporary dwellings.

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  5. The number of people keeping the Feast of Tabernacles every year continues to shrink. If this is such an important festival why are fewer people keeping it every year? I used to attend the Wisconsin Dells feast site most years in the 80's to early 90's. Attendance there was 5 thousand to up to 10 thousand depending on the year. I have heard that a UCG feast site in Wisconsin had a tiny attendance in the 500 range for the year 2020. The fact is that Armstrongism is fading away and the Hebrew-like teachings of HWA are fading away simply because they are not applicable to modern Christianity.

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  6. Lonnie:

    I appreciate and agree with your solid and careful exegesis. It behooves your critics to develop a similar exegetical response rather than recruit the usual Armstrongist hearsay and tradition.

    If I might add my own sidebar, I don't think there is anything heretical about believing that the FoT represents the Millenium for purely celebratory purposes. Paul states in Romans:

    "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it..."

    Paul sees regarding days as a part of a relationship with God and not a relationship with Old Testament litigation. It is clear from this scripture that regarding days is a matter of personal choice. The FoT, as physically observed by Armstrongists, might be instructional but it is not a perfect fit with the Millenium. Second tithe is used to simulate the material prosperity of the Millenium. But second tithe was used for all the holy days in ancient Israel - for days that do not represent the Millenium. To accumulate second tithe and focus its expenditure on the FoT may be a useful budgetary approach but it does not have a theological foundation. It is an orchestration intended to support the Millenium symbolism. But in the last analysis, this is a denominational decision. I can see a solid Christian church using the FoT pedagogically as a reminder of the Millenium.

    This may sound as if I am cutting Armstrongism some slack but I am not. Where Armstrongists depart from Christianity is in how the FoT is implemented theologically. Armstrongists, in contravention to Paul's statement cited above, require that the Armstrongist meaning ascribed to these days be believed as dogma. Armstrongist have tampered with the New Covenant understanding of salvation by illicitly adding to it conditions from the Old Testament litigation including a presumptuously revamped version of the FoT. Paul would be outraged. It is, then, not just a denominational issue; it is a soteriological issue. And this is what places Armstrongist dogma outside the pale of Christianity.

    Though a Christian denomination could develop an agenda of supplementary meanings for the holy days, it seems to me to be inadvisible because it obscures the central meanings that you have identified.

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  7. 4:00

    Nonsense

    Thousands of Evangelicals flock to Jerusalem yearly for "The Feast of Tabernacles" which like many Unique tenets of Armstrongism are now widely acceptable among the American Christian crowd instead regarded as "anathema straight to hell" as it would have been in the 1950's.

    nck

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  8. Anonymous asked: "Since when has the Feast of Tabernacles only been about the Millenium ??"

    "Here are pictured those final culminating events in God's
    great plan: after Christ has died for our sins to redeem
    mankind-after He has sent us the Holy Spirit and picked out
    a people for His Name to become kings and priests through
    the thousand years-after His glorious Second Coming-after
    He has finally restored the redeemed by placing all the sins
    upon the head of Satan, their real author, and separating both
    him and the sins from the presence of God and His people,
    thus finally perfecting the at-one-ment, making us finally
    joined in one-then we are ready for that final series of
    events, the commencement of the "Marriage of the Lamb,"
    the actual making of the New Covenant, the establishment of
    the Kingdom of God on earth and the reaping of the great
    harvest of souls for a thousand years.
    This festival is the picture of the Millennium!"
    --page 44 of Herbert Armstrong's booklet "Pagan Holidays - or God's Holy Days - Which?"

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    1. The fake name Miller Jones simply doesn't get the difference of CGI teaching on Tabernacles. Lol.

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  9. The Jews plagiarized the holy days from the Cananites. It's all BS. The real meaning was lost when the self-appointed "chosen people" genocided the Cananites. The sanctimonious COGs will never face reality.

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  10. The speculation of Anonymous 3:19 regarding the "Last Great Day" (WCOG terminology) has merit. After all, Scripture does seem to regard the day as both part of the FOT and separate from it. Hence, it is not unreasonable to suggest an independent symbolism for it.

    Even so, NEO brings the argument back down to earth for Christians. Festival observance is NOT a requirement for New Covenant Christians - it is a matter of personal preference. I also think that his point about using the "second" tithe exclusively for this one festival (FOT) is spot on!

    Welcome back NCK - it's good to have you back! Hope all is well with you, and that you were only off on some grand pilgrimage or relaxing vacation.

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  11. Actually, the symbolism outlined in this post is embraced by the Church of God International! Notice this excerpt from their booklet God's Seasonal Plan:

    “But we have this treasure [and it is real
    treasure, the priceless truth of eternal
    life] in earthen vessels [our physical
    bodies], that the excellency of the power
    may be of God, and not of us” (II
    Corinthians 4:6,7).
    Paul went on to explain, “For which
    cause we faint nor but though our
    outward man perish [the aging process,
    and the ultimate fate awaiting every
    human being, death] yet the inward man
    [the new “creature in Christ”] is renewed
    day by day,
    “For our light affliction, which is but for a
    moment, worketh for us a far more
    exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
    “While we look not of the things which
    are seen, but at the things which are not
    seen: for the things which are seen are
    temporal; [like a temporary domicile, or
    “booth” made of branches, leaves and
    other materials, which will soon perish]
    but the things which are not seen are
    eternal.
    “For we know that if our earthly house of
    this TABERNACLE were dissolved, we
    have a building of Cod, an house not
    made with hands, eternal in the
    heavens.
    “For in this we groan, earnestly desiring
    to be clothed upon with our house which
    is from heaven:
    “If so be that being found clothed we
    shall not be found naked.
    “For we that are in this tabernacle [the
    new creature in Christ, dwelling
    temporarily in these physical bodies] do
    groan, being burdened: not for that we
    would be unclothed, but clothed upon,
    that mortality [this human body, this
    temporary existence] might be
    swallowed up of life” (II Corinthians
    4:16-18; 5:1-4).
    What a beautiful analogy. Notice how
    many times our physical bodies are
    likened to a “tabernacle,” or a little
    booth, a temporary dwelling place.
    The apostle Peter put it this way: “Yea, I
    think it meet [fitting], as long as I am in
    this tabernacle (Peter, the “new man in
    Christ” living in his human, physical
    body], to stir you up by putting you in
    remembrance;
    “knowing that shortly I must put off this
    my tabernacle, wowing his death was
    approaching!] even as our Lord Jesus
    Christ hath showed me” (II Peter
    1:13,14).
    Can anything be plainer?
    The apostle Paul plainly wrote, “There
    are also celestial [heavenly] bodies, and
    bodies terrestrial [earthly, of the flesh]:
    but the glory of the celestial is one, and
    the glory of the terrestrial is another…so
    also is the resurrection of the dead. It is
    sown in corruption; it is raised in
    incorruption: it is sown in dishonor; it is
    raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it
    is raised in power:
    “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a
    spiritual body. There is a natural body,
    and there is a spiritual body…as is the
    earthy, such are they also that are
    earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are
    they also that are heavenly.
    “And as we have borne the image of the
    earthy, we shall also bear the image of
    the heavenly” (I Corinthians 15:40-49).
    This human, physical body in which we
    dwell is only a temporary “tabernacle.”

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  12. NCK!!!!!:):):):):)


    Some of the thousands of Evangelicals who 'flock' to Jerusalem around Sukkot have an ulterior motive - to convert the Jews. Here's a video of one preaching to Tovia Singer, a Jewish rabbi who is a counter-missionary.


    This is nothing compared to covert missionaries who take Paul's words to heart ...

    1 Cor 9:20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; ...
    1 Cor 9:22b ... I have become all things to all men, that I might BY ALL MEANS save some.


    Paul's greatest disciple

    Michael Elk, aka Haredi 'rabbi' Michael Elkohen
    - an American covert missionary and member of the Messianic movement
    - in 2006, he and his family moved to Israel pretending to be a Haredi (Ultra-Orthodox) rabbi
    - posed as a kohen, i.e. his father and grandfather were kohens. His father, William Thomas Elk, died in 2006. The funeral was conducted in Friendship Mennonite Church where he was a member. He was buried in Lawnside Cemetery, Pilesgrove, in Salem County, NJ. His headstone bears an image of a cross.
    - became a mohel (performs Jewish rite of circumcision) and sofer/scribe (writing mezuzot, tefillin)
    - redeemed children, married couples, opened a yeshiva that secretly taught a belief in Jesus and gave smicha (rabbinic ordination) to Messianic Jews
    - in 2008, he wrote a book titled 'The Triumph of Justice'. The author listed is 'An Orthodox Jewish Rabbi' and published by MorningStar Publications. MorningStar Publications belongs to the Morning Star Ministries Evangelical Christian organization based in South Carolina.
    - in 2011, under the name Rabbi Michael, he conducted an interview for MorningStar TV in his ultra-Orthodox garb in which he quoted from the New Testament; called on viewers to think about becoming missionaries in Egypt and Syria; prayed to God that the people of the Middle East would return to Jesus, specifically to “stir the Jewish people to jealousy” and to “a jealousy to seek Your face in Jesus’ name.”

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  13. cont ...

    Amanda Elk, aka Amanda Elkohen
    - Michael's second wife
    - a Christian evangelist who posed as an Orthodox Jew
    - claimed to be the daughter of Holocaust survivors
    - in 2019, she wrote in her FB account under the name Amanda Elk, that she had needed to pay the equivalent of $1,000 to get new passports for her children for an upcoming visit to the US and made an appeal for donations to support her family. In the post, she included a link to an online donations portal at the CMM World organization. CMM, which stands for “Christ’s Mandate for Missions,” is a proselytizing group which seeks to “make disciples of all nations, not just converts.” Its website says that it has “covert missions” in Israel, and specifically that “we have several missionaries in Israel,” adding: “These hidden troops are doing a mighty work in Israel, as they have been strategically placed and sent by the Holy Spirit.” CMM also appears to be associated with MorningStar.
    - in February 2021, Amanda died of colon cancer (diagnosed in 2016) at the age of 42. They were living in French Hill, an ultra-Orthodox community in Jerusale. After her death, the community opened a dedicated charity fund with everyone donating to the family. She left behind 3 daughters, who attend ultra-Orthodox Bais Yaakov schools, and 2 sons, who attend an ultra-Orthodox kindergarten and school.

    The case came to a head recently after the ultra-Orthodox news site Behadrei Haredim reported that Elk's 13-year-old daughter had told a schoolmate that Jesus “accepts everyone, even if they are wrong." Attempts to convert minors in Israel are illegal unless a parent's consent is obtained.

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  14. I would not use Rom 14:5-6 to argue that it is a matter of personal choice for which days to keep in regard to the weekly and yearly days of worship in the instruction (tora).

    In Romans 14:1-6 there is a problem with not only days but of eating.

    Some eat all things and others only herbs.
    Some esteeming every day and others esteem one day above another.

    Some observations:

    “That the “weak,” who as Christians felt they could eat only vegetables (v. 2b), were not necessarily converted Jews is indicated by the fact that no where did the Jewish law forbid the eating of meat as such. It only forbade the use of certain classes of animals as food. Nor did the law forbid the drinking of wine, which the “weak” apparently also avoided (see 14:21). Indeed, the question about what was proper to eat also arose where former adherence to pagan idols, not the Jewish law, was the issue (see 1 Cor 8:7-10)” (Paul Achtemeier, Romans, INT, p.215).

    Ro 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike...

    “This verse presents a twofold problem for the interpreter not only because the reference to “days” is vague, but the entire verse is less clear in Greek than in the NIV” (James R. Edwards, Romans, NIBC, 322).

    “Pinning down the exact nature of this disagreement over “days” is difficult since Paul does not elaborate” (Douglas Moo, The Epistles to the Romans, NICNT, p.842).

    “Whether the question of regarding one day more sacred than another refers to Sabbath observance or to special days for feasting or fasting is not easily determined... Perhaps because the observance of the day was not being pressed on the Gentile believers in the church in the way that Jewish sects challenged such believers elsewhere (Col 2:16), it was not necessary to identify the day explicitly. Even so, if the day of worship is in view, it is strange that the believer could be said to consider “every day alike.” It should be noted, however, that the word “alike,” is an added word that does not appear in the Greek texts. The text as it stands may mean that there were some who esteemed every day as equally holy. The close contextual association with eating suggests that Paul may have in mind a special day set apart for observance as a time for feasting or fasting...” (Everett F. Harrison & Donald A. Hagner, Romans, EBC, Rev. Vol.11, p.206).

    “We must admit that we cannot now determine in what sense the weak members of the Roman church regard one day as being better than another... That this ignorance on our part is not very serious is shown by the fact that, after verse 5, 6 in this entire epistle the apostle never again refers to this difference about “days.” He does insist, however, that “each one be fully convinced in his own mind” that what he is doing is right...” (William Hendriksen, Romans, NTC, p.458).

    (Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes).

    I would suggest, due to the uncertainty regarding the problem Paul was addressing, which doesn’t appear a major issue, a problem which seems more to do with eating, considering more is said on it and which envelops the problem, these verses are a thin reed to lean on to argue for personal choice in whether or not to keep the Sabbath and the FOT.

    Zec 14:16 ... all the nations [goyim] which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
    Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment [hatta’t, lit. “sin”] of Egypt, and the punishment [hatta’t, lit. “sin”] of all nations [goyim] that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    Under the Renewed Kingdom Covenant if the Gentiles do not keep the FOT it will be accounted as sin and will be duly punished.

    It would seem inconsistent then that under the Church Covenant the Gentiles get a choice on whether to keep the Feast, but get no choice under the Kingdom Covenant; not only that they will also have to keep the Sabbath (Isa 56:6; 66:23).

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  15. Miller Jones, September 5, 2021 at 10:39 AM, said: "...The speculation of Anonymous 3:19 regarding the "Last Great Day" (WCOG terminology) has merit.
    After all, Scripture does seem to regard the day as both part of the FOT and separate from it. Hence, it is not unreasonable to suggest an independent symbolism for it..."
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    Yes, the Great Last Day (GLD), the Eighth Day, God's seventh annual Holyday, is separate and independent of the FOT.

    The FOT has only one Annual Holyday and that is the first day.

    Within the WCG, HWA taught us to take numerous scriptures that apply to the Eighth Day, which he called the Last Great Day (What is the First Great Day???), and strives to put them within the 1,000 year period, referred to as a millennium (MMM) where a "very soon" to return Jesus Christ (another Jesus?) would be reigning on earth with His "little helpers" (hirelings/ministers of WCG who think they somehow magically qualified to rule over others), which I often refer to as the Mickey Mouse Millennium, b/c where is that Jesus?

    Jesus Christ spoke about the Eighth Day and referred to it as "the last day," or "that great day:

    John 7:37 "In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
    38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."

    Is there something better than that Day?

    At the end of that 1,000 year period, Satan exits the pit and again makes a mess of things:

    Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea."

    What a mess! And some of the former hirelings of the WCG want us to think that some God and/or Magog will pop up once or more times during that 1,000 year period! What a mess? That 1,000 year period does not sound like any human utopia on earth and again, where was their Jesus reigning from on earth? Satan is successful deceiving the nations worldwide! That "another Jesus" with his "little helpers" doesn't seem to be very successful; it sounds like one huge failure, but time will tell.

    For these reasons, it appears that the former WCG hirelings (e.g. Kubik, Weston, Winnail, Franks, Weinland, Flurry, Pack, Theil (I am not really sure if the professing prophet, falsely so-called, was ordained anything or not in WCG) all teach a false theory with their belief in this MMM (Mickey Mouse Millennium) while they all are perhaps still wondering: "Why isn't it here yet? Where is Jesus? Did Jesus delay his coming, after all? Did Jesus lie to us?" etc.

    Jesus Christ told us He gave us His Father's words, and that He would be at His Father's right hand (approximately 18 times, maybe more) until the last enemy is subdued...by His Father.

    What will these hirelings tell us if they ever learn that Jesus will not be reigning on earth until AFTER Satan exits the pit, which is approximately a 1,000 years from now PLUS a little/short time/season?

    We've been told there is a veil over the eyes of the Jews? What about these hirelings? Are they any less blind?

    Time will tell...

    John

    P.S. To be continued…

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  16. Continuing…

    In fact, after Jesus cited Isaiah telling about religious leaders defiling themselves b/c of the false information (their own theories, doctrines, commandments, etc.) exiting from their mouths, He shared the following with a multitude:

    Matthew 15:10 "And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
    11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
    12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?"

    Oh, and them Pharisees were offended! What about these hirelings? Would they also be so easily offended? Time will tell...

    Jesus continued with this:

    Matthew 15:13 "But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
    14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."

    Many former WCG hirelings currently in the United Ass., not too long ago, had it explained to them that God the Father, and not Jesus Christ, was actually the God of the Old Testament (e.g. Acts 3:13, and there are lots more back-up verses), but they, like the Pharisees, preferred to stick with their traditions.

    Yes, that offended them, just like Isaiah and Jesus were talking about.

    So, is Jesus Christ really coming very soon to reign on earth, or will that be a reality over 1,000 years from now? Will scriptures speaking about the Eighth Day, the GLD, and that pouring out of God's Spirit on humanity be fulfilled "very soon," or will they be a reality over 1,000 years from now? Will the 7 Vials/Plagues be poured out "very soon," or will they be poured out over 1,000 years from now?

    Time will tell...

    John

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