For many years now, there has been a narrative extant within some elements of the Christian community (e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses, Armstrong Churches of God, and various anti-Catholic Protestant groups) regarding the pervasive influence of paganism on Traditional Christianity. One of the chief proponents of this narrative was a man by the name of Ralph Woodrow, who authored a small book on the topic titled Babylon Mystery Religion. As Mr. Woodrow has himself admitted, this book was based on a 19th Century work by Alexander Hislop titled The Two Babylons. Unfortunately, even as modern scholarship has discredited both of those works, many of those elements of the Christian community who embraced their narrative have refused to let go of the notion that paganism has seriously tainted/compromised the Traditional Church.
Hislop contended that the Roman Catholic Church was "the Babylon of the Apocalypse." He went on to note "that the essential character of her system, the grand objects of her worship, her festivals, her doctrine and discipline, her rites and ceremonies, her priesthood and their orders, have all been derived from ancient Babylon." Hislop then went on to discourse on the pagan origins of the imagery surrounding the mother and child, Christmas, Easter, the mass, rites and ceremonies, and religious orders. Indeed, Hislop believed that the influence of paganism was so pervasive that it had even extended to Christianity's primary symbol, the cross! He wrote: "The same sign of the cross that Rome now worships was used in the Babylonian Mysteries, was applied by Paganism to the same magic purposes, was honored with the same honors. That which is now called the Christian cross was originally no Christian emblem at all, but was the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and Egyptians--the true original form of the letter T--the initial of the name of Tammuz." Thus, for Hislop, the Roman Church had clearly been corrupted by paganism.
Then, shortly after I was born, Ralph Woodrow came along and breathed new life into Hislop's notions about paganism's influence on the Church. In his Babylon Mystery Religion, he contrasted paganism's influence on Christianity with the early Church's impact on the pagan world. Woodrow observed: "It was said of those early Christians that they had turned the world upside down! - so powerful was their message and spirit." He continued: "Before too many years had passed, however, men began to set themselves up as 'lords' over God's people in place of the Holy Spirit. Instead of conquering by spiritual means and by truth - as in the early days - men began to substitute their ideas and their methods. Attempts to merge paganism into Christianity were being made even in the days when our New Testament was being written." And, like Hislop before him, Woodrow went on to discourse on Babylon as the "source of false religion." He wrote about mother and child worship, Mary worship, pagan holidays, the cross as a Christian symbol, the mass and relic/idol worship.
Later, however, Woodrow had a change of heart. Of Babylon Mystery Religion he wrote: "My original book had some valuable information in it. But it also contained certain teachings that were made popular in a book many years ago, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop. This book claims that the very religion of ancient Babylon, under the leadership of Nimrod and his wife, was later disguised with Christian-sounding names, becoming the Roman Catholic Church. Thus, two “Babylons"—one ancient and one modern. Proof for this is sought by citing numerous similarities in paganism. The problem with this method is this: in many cases, there is no connection." For him, further investigation of the origins of certain Christian practices had demonstrated that the connections to paganism were illusory. Indeed, he went on to admit that the methodology which he and Hislop had employed in their treatises on the subject could be used to make almost anything pagan!
Moreover, Ehrman went on to point out that "Pagan religions were almost entirely about practice, about doing things, about giving the gods their due - not through mental affirmations of who they were or what they had done, but through ritual actions that showed reverence and devotion." He observed that "Pagan religions were about cultic acts. The word 'cult' comes from the Latin phrase cultus deorum, which literally means 'the care of the gods.' A cultic act is any ritualized practice that is done out of reverence to or worship of the gods. Such activities lay at the heart of pagan religions. Doctrines and ethics did not." Ehrman continued: "Roughly speaking, there were three kinds of activities in pagan religions: sacrificial offerings, prayer, and divination." This, of course, also stood in stark contrast to the new Christian religion - which focused on belief in Jesus Christ and adhering to certain ethical standards.
So, where is all of this leading us? What conclusions may we draw from contrasting paganism and Christianity? First, the monotheism of Christianity stands in stark contrast to the polytheism of paganism. Second, the local and personal nature of paganism is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the global nature and aims of Christianity. Third, the exclusivity of Christianity stands in sharp relief against the tolerance of paganism for multiple allegiances relative to the worship of other gods. Fourth, the fact that Christians are associated with a book (the Bible) and a set of beliefs and ethical standards is fundamentally different from the focus on cultic rituals associated with paganism. Fifth, the fact that we know so little about the gods and rituals of the pagans indicates that Christians had a high degree of success in both eradicating those practices and their memories and completely replacing them with their own faith. Hence, the narrative that Christians absorbed - and/or were eventually overwhelmed by - paganism is shown to be inconsistent with what we know and highly improbable. In short, the very nature of the two religions made them enemies of each other and set the stage for an existential contest between them.
Having discussed this phenomenon in very general terms, we will now take a closer look at one of the claims of pagan influence named by the proponents of this narrative. More particularly, we will look at their assertion that the cross is really a pagan symbol. On this subject, Woodrow noted that "It was not until Christianity began to be paganized (or, as some prefer, paganism was Christianized), that the cross image came to be thought of as a Christian symbol." However, this assertion by Woodrow does not even comport with what is revealed in Scripture!
In addition to all of the explicit references to the cross throughout the four gospels of the New Testament, we also have numerous references to the cross as a symbol of the new faith in the other writings that constitute that volume. For instance, Paul references it twice in his first epistle to the saints of Corinth (I Corinthians 1:17-18). Likewise, he referenced the cross as a symbol of the faith several times in his letters to the Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians (Galatians 5:11, 6:12, 14, Ephesians 2:16, Philippians 2:8, 3:18, Colossians 1:20, 2:14). Finally, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews encouraged his readers to look to "Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:2)
And, although the Catholic Encyclopedia, does discuss the fact that the cross was used as a symbol by both the Egyptians and other peoples of the East, it makes clear that the symbol was used by the Christian Church from the earliest times. We read there: "It is not, therefore, altogether strange or inconceivable that, from the beginning of the new religion, the cross should have appeared in Christian homes as an object of religious veneration, although no such monument of the earliest Christian art has been preserved. Early in the third century Clement of Alexandria ('Strom.', VI, in P. G., IX, 305) speaks of the Cross as tou Kyriakou semeiou typon , i.e. signum Christi , 'the symbol of the Lord' (St. Augustine, Tract. cxvii, 'In Joan.'; De Rossi, 'Bull. d'arch. crist', 1863, 35, and 'De titulis christianis Carthaginiensibus' in Pitra, 'Spicilegium Solesmense', IV, 503). The cross, therefore, appears at an early date as an element of the liturgical life of the faithful, and to such an extent that in the first half of the third century Tertullian could publicly designate the Christian body as 'crucis religiosi', i.e. devotees of the Cross (Apol., c. xvi, P. G., I, 365-66). St. Gregory of Tours tells us (De Miraculis S. Martini, I, 80) that in his time Christians habitually had recourse to the sign of the cross." Hence, we see that the cross was employed as a Christian symbol long before the Roman Emperor Constantine had his famous vision.
Concerning that event, Woodrow noted that "An outstanding factor that contributed to the adoration of the cross image within the Romish Church was the famous 'vision of the cross' and subsequent 'conversion' of Constantine." Woodrow then proceeded to recount the famous story of Constantine's vision of a cross and the message that he would be victorious in battle if he used that symbol as his standard. As they say, the rest is history. According to Woodrow, Constantine's victory "did much to further the use of the cross in the Romish Church." However, the flaw in his logic will become immediately apparent to those who have been paying attention to our timeline. In other words, Constantine could never have employed the cross in this capacity if it wasn't already a well-recognized symbol of Christianity!
Now, longtime readers of this blog are already aware that many of the other points which Hislop and Woodrow addressed in their treatises have already been examined here in detail. In times past, we have explored the pagan influences on Christmas, Easter, and some saint's days. Hence, while the narrative about paganism's influence over Traditional Christianity has been extremely popular in some circles, upon closer examination, it simply falls apart - it does not hold up to a thorough review of the available evidence. However unlikely some folks may see it, both the New Testament and secular history make plain that Christianity triumphed over paganism and very nearly eradicated it altogether. Indeed, one only has to look into the practices of modern pagans to discern that most of their practices and rituals derive from the modern period (as very little knowledge of the original practices of those people has survived to our times).
Sources:
Hislop, Alexander. The Two Babylons or The Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife. Presbyterian Free Church of Scotland, 1853.
Woodrow, Ralph. Babylon Mystery Religion. Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association Inc., 1966, 1981.
Woodrow, Ralph. A Message from Ralph Woodrow regarding the book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION – No Longer in Publication. Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association, Accessed 22 March 2022.
Ehrman, Bart D. The Triumph of Christianity: How A Forbidden Religion Swept the World. Simon and Schuster, 2019
Clarkson, Tim. The Markers of Scotland: Picts, Romans, Gaels and Vikings. Birlinn Ltd., 2019.
Catholic Encyclopedia Online, Archaeology of the Cross and Crucifix, Archæology of the Cross and Crucifix - Encyclopedia Volume - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online, Accessed 22 March 2022
The King James Version of The Holy Bible
Awesome dissertation, chocked full of vital information.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that COGlodytes do not accept fact checking of their beliefs and traditions. Many of us here appreciate what you wrote, but your average Armstrongite, if he or she reads it, will continue to believe the Simon Magus-Catholic Church conspiracy theories. These are the people who write off Eusebius and the Antenicene church leaders as being Catholic, as opposed to realizing that they are successors of Paul, Peter, John, and other apostles who ministered to the gentile churches. Sunday keeping Christians were being martyred right next to the sabbath keeping ones by the worst of the Roman Emperors right up until the time of Constantine.
The irony is that Armstrongism itself is a primitive Gnosticism, with its premise that your eternity as a spirit being is determined by the knowledge you've been given as a mortal human being.
ReplyDeleteIf you have a good amount of familiarity with Middle Eastern art, Hislop's work is almost comedic.
ReplyDeleteMore of this type of posts please xhwa. Informative, and destroys the Armstrong narrative with facts and logic not by making fun of it. It is interesting that the Hyslop logic actually is replicated by HWA. For example, just because something *sounds* similar in two different, unrelated languages, doesn't make them the same. Hyslop used "easter" and "Ishtar", HWA said "Isaacs sons" and "saxons". Similar faulty logic to connect dots that should not be joined- it paints an incorrect picture.
ReplyDeleteWe are left then with the question "What is Bablyonian Mystery Religion" that is spoken of in scripture?
ReplyDeleteAlthough Woodrow and Hislop made leaps of conclusion in several of their concepts, we are still left with the obvious paganism of things like the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus , Halloween, and others.
Tossing out Hislop and Woodrow does not purify , nor justify obvious pagan worship practices and traditions into the worship of the Biblical God.
Where "in scripture" is the term "Babylonian Mystery Religion" found?
DeleteWell it's obvious that Christmas and Easter have pagan origins but the thing is that there are many uncalled among you who can not understand this truth.
ReplyDeleteI think it is important to distinguish between "pagan origins" and "pagan influences". The origin of Christmas and Easter are not pagan. Pagans didn't celebrate Jesus' birth and resurrection, end of story. Now, is the timing of Christmas dubious- probably. Does it incorporate into common custom certain pagan practices (like yule log etc)? Possibly. However that does not mean that it has pagan origins- just pagan influences. It doesn't mean that someone celebrating Christmas and Easter (with the intend of worshipping Jesus Christ) are inadvertently worshipping Satan.
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ReplyDeleteI think that the better question is "What Babylonian Mystery Religion?" The mysterion in Revelation 17:5 refers to the name and what it symbolizes. John used Babylon here as a prophetic template for a reason. He was very purposefully drawing upon the imagery of Babylon which the writings of the Old Testament evoked - especially those found in the book of Daniel. In other words, Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon was the model for all of the great human empires/governments that were to follow. Think of all that this connection evokes: concentration of power/authority, glorification of military might, devotion and loyalty to the state and its leadership, economic dominance, and the arrogance of presuming to know what's best for everyone. These are the characteristics of all of the different manifestations of the Great Babylon down through history - including the final one (whenever that happens).
Finally, it is always startling and painful when something which you have "proven" and embraced has been shown to not be true/right. Laying aside the particulars for just a moment, the above post demonstrates that the narrative about pagan influences on Christianity was based on a lot of false assumptions, tenuous links, and faulty reasoning. As such, at the very least, it should merit a second look at the evidence related to those particulars. And, I believe, if those particulars are approached without any preconceived notions/expectations, that many of those connections to pagan practices will disappear. For instance, you mentioned Santa Claus - which is ENTIRELY an invention of the Christian era. Yes, there are a few residual memories of the pre-Christian/pagan era in our celebrations (things like Yule logs, mistletoe, calendar names, and bunnies), but they are far fewer and much more peripheral than Hislop, Woodrow, and the ACOGs have suggested.
Miller:
ReplyDeleteGood expositive writing.
I believe there is a crucial reason why Armstrongists will take a different view on the writing of Hislop and Woodrow. Part of the HWA story is that the real gospel had to go underground for eighteen and a half centuries. And HWA was the chosen vessel for re-establishing the true gospel once again. Part of this myth is that the church foundered in paganism for those long and dismal centuries of being cut off from God. To assert that the church broadly eradicated paganism and introduced moralism at the institutional and personal level, which it did, is to bespeak an intolerable lese-majeste about their consecrated leader.
But to make this dubious interpretation in service to HWA work Christianity must be equated with paganism which Armstrongists are happy to do. But in so doing, they cut themselves off from the historical resources and influences of the Christian church. They focus on everything that was wrong with the historical church - and there were points that could be justly criticized. Atheists and various heterodox Christian denominations lead the pack in
attacking and defaming traditional Christianity. Typically, they know only pretextual sound bites about the history Christianity. David Bentley Hart wrote an excellent book about the history and influence of Christianity titled "Atheist Delusions." It is a comprehensive antidote to the Hislop and Woodrow works.
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ReplyDeleteArtful Dodger, anybody can understand the pagan cachet surrounding Christmas and Easter. It does not take a special calling from God. It does take some ability to reflect and analyze to recognize that paganism is really everywhere because historic human activity outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition was steeped in it. Somebody somewhere probably had a pagan rite associated with eating fish. Are we to be daunted in our fish eating? Christmas and Easter have been overtaken by Christianity. If you believe otherwise, the next time your spouse wants to take advantage of a post-Christmas sale, sternly object. And get down to the library and start doing an exhaustive study of all pagan traditions as soon as possible. No doubt many things that you are doing now are rooted there and you will need to identify them and desist.
It's articles such as this that is most enjoyable to read. Well done! 👍
ReplyDeleteI've heard some creative renderings of Revelation and modern day Babylon, but this one takes the cake. Rick Pearson gives 53 reasons why he thinks latter day Babylon is the USA...
ReplyDeleteI'll give Rick a prize for creativity- eat your heart out Dr Bob, Dave Pack, G Flurry, et al.
https://youtu.be/9R4U0XPnM8s
https://youtu.be/TjyAHzgHXW0
https://youtu.be/wkx6ffg8H_w
Neo,
ReplyDeleteI think that you hit the nail on the head. Without this narrative about the paganism of Traditional Christianity, the rest of the Armstrong story doesn't work. This (in conjunction with their observance of the Sabbath and Holy Days) is what makes them superior to all of those "so-called" Christians.
Thanks to everyone for the kind comments about this post.
ReplyDeleteI’m waiting to see how long it takes for Bob Thiel to pop his cork and throw a fit and try and refute this. He can’t which infuriates him even more. This entire article makes Bob look like a fool.
ReplyDeleteWhere "in scripture" is the term "Babylonian Mystery Religion" found?
ReplyDeleteSame place you find "Trinity".
Precisely. It is an assumption based on a text that does not clearly indicate such.
DeleteThe very idea that you can totally get rid of pagan influences, or similar practices, is ridiculous. Cultures influence one another. It's just one of those inevitabilities of parallel existence. In so many cases, the influence is unwitting, purely coincidental and inadvertent. Historians and anthropologists have long noted that the Holy Days of ancient Israel are very similar to the days kept by the Canaanites. Nobody exists in a vacuum. People are influenced by those surrounding them, many times, even by hated enemies. The essence of the matter is context and practical application:: How are the influences used? Practices were condemned in the Bible if they turned Israelites or Christians to the worship of other gods. I never met so much as one person who keeps Christmas and Easter today to worship anybody but God and Jesus.
ReplyDeleteSome contemporary pagans observe the solstices, but these are just a novel excuse to party, and they certainly do not invoke God or Jesus in their celebrations, Strictly speaking the Winter Solstice does not even coincide exactly with Christmas. Close, but no bubblegum cigar. Since when did proximity imply guilt? Christmas and the winter solstice may fall closely to one another, but so do Saturday and Sunday, and nobody trashes sabbath keeping simply because Saturday is the day before Sunday.
For those interested in some of those particulars relative to this topic:
ReplyDeletehttps://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2016/12/pagan-holidays-or-gods-holy-days-really.html
https://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-plain-truth-about-christmas-trees.html
https://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-saturnalia-and-brumalia.html
https://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2019/03/is-st-patricks-day-christian-holiday.html
Anon 4:51 AM this Bible verse gives you your answer on whether or not to celebrate Christmas and to use such pagan practices to worship the Lord your God.
ReplyDelete"“Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods."
Deuteronomy 12:4 NLT
Well well matches your babylonia sermon.
ReplyDelete"“Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods."
ReplyDeleteDeuteronomy 12:4 NLT
The pagans offer prayers to their gods, so we dare not pray.
The pagans obey their gods' commands to cut themselves, so we must not circumcise our boys.
The pagans sing hymns to their gods. No singing for us!
Long before Jesus, the pagans were worshipping gods who rose from the dead. That's DEFINITELY a no-no!
Thanks, 12:02 PM, for a very helpful principle!
Not to mention the grove of Abraham, the altars of Samuel and Saul, the names of David's kids...
DeleteRegenerational baptism too!
DeleteMaking donation offerings. Travelling to appointed worship sites. Eating special foods on certain feast days. Kneeling in prayer. The list goes on and on.
DeleteThat's good news, 12:02. Pagans fast! Just kidding. Actually, so did Jesus. Such an example demonstrates that there is much more to the picture than simply whether Pagans performed a specific act in worship, because othewise, Jesus would have avoided fasting, and He would have explained that fasting was something that the pagans did.
ReplyDeleteSo, perhaps (Yuck! There is that word! Bad, nasty Science, and evolution word! Ewww!) your starting point should be whether the activity is intrinsically good or bad. Examples of the intrinsically bad would be temple prostitution, or cutting oneself, or perhaps ingesting hallucinogens. There is nothing inherently bad about giving presents. In the Old testament, new moons were celebrated. So,that wasn't bad! There were also seasonal aspects to the holy days. So, how is celebrating another celestial phenomenon (winter solstice) inherently pagan? It is not! Obviously, it was used by the pagans in worship, but so were the sun and the moon! So, then what? Should your criteria be who originated the practice? Armstrongism taught us that God gave Adam and Eve the same information as He gave to the Israelites through Moses, (back on track?)and that pagan practices originated as man gradually transitioned away from God, perverting original truth revealed to Adam and Eve. So, it wasn't things that were pagan, it was the fact that the pagans perverted those things, using them the wrong way. Kneel to a pagan god? Bad, evil! Kneel to Father God? Good! Spiritually healthy.
Even if you only believe that Jesus paid for past sin, the conclusion must be that the past wrong usages of certain rituals have been forgiven, Jesus showed us that gods and goddesses do not exist and idols are nothing, and Christians have freedom of expression in their individual techniques of worship, so long as those methods of worship are not inherently evil. Otherwise, because pagans used alcohol in their celebrations (the Mayans were notorious for taking enemas with the stuff!), Jesus would never have changed water to wine for the celebration of an holy matrimony. Funny thing? For centuries, Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus on Christmas (Christ Mass). They never so much as thought of anything pagan on that day every year as they celebrated until Herbert W. Armstrong comes bebopping along and quotimg Hislop ( take that apart, it becomes his slop!!!) Now every year, as Christmas approaches, it has been spoiled, because the idea that Christmas originated as a pagan holiday has been widely spread, and now once again people think of paganism! Thanks a lot, Herbie!
FWIW, I believe that the RCC is Satan’s counterfeit of Christ’s Church - the Israel of God (Gal 6:16).
ReplyDelete2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
"The Greek word ... to slander, originally meant to deceive, literally "to throw across," that is, to take something out of its proper context and it put it somewhere else where it did not belong but would appear to belong" (George Bailey, Germans: Biography of an Obsession, p.426).
I would suggest that if Satan wanted a ‘church’ religious system to ‘deceive’ people it would have enough features that the counterfeit would appear to be the real deal - it would be more like Christ’s church than outright paganism.
I would suggest that Sunday, Easter and Christmas would seem to fit into a Christian context - but they don’t belong.
(I believe that Christ was crucified on Friday, Nisan 14 - April 7, 30 AD - and rose from the dead on Sunday, Nisan 16).
Christ has a Kingdom and a Church; so has Satan.
The Church administration of the New Covenant is to be followed by the Kingdom administration of the New/Renewed Covenant to be instituted during Christ’s return to complete the second half of his prophetic week.
This leads into the type-antitype telescopic prophecy of Christ and the Antichrist of Daniel 9:24-27.
Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince [i.e., the antichrist] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(Antiochus Epiphanes, the OT antichrist, provides a ‘type’ for the NT antichrist).
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders.
Whereas Christ exalts His Church in the middle of His prophetic week, the Antichrist - the person who opposes Christ as Christ, that is a counterfeit Christ - destroys the RCC, the Babylonian Church, after his death and resurrection in the middle of his prophetic week, which is a catalyst for the Great Tribulation (cp. the assignation of Archduke Ferdinand that sparked WW1).
That is, the Antichrist/(10 kings) destroys the Babylonian Church - the RCC - at the beginning of the Great Tribulation and replaces it with his Babylonian kingdom - Babylon the Great. The false prophet sets up a religious system to worship the then resurrected Antichrist - the Babylonian ideal of man worshiped as god.
(The Antichrist destroys the Babylonian church at the beginning of the Tribulation and Christ destroys the Babylonian kingdom at the end of the Tribulation).
In the Messianic Age to follow there will be no more Sunday, Easter and Christmas, but the mo’dim of the Lord - Sabbath, Passover/Unleavened bread and Tabernacles - institutions that really belong to the worship of God:
Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Eze 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
Eze 45:23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
Eze 45:25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days...
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
I'm fascinated by how COGlodytes can only see paganism in Christmas an Easter, while not seeing God in these events or anything worth celebrating.
ReplyDeleteThose with hyper-sensitivity to paganism don't see the Angels singing and the people joining the rejoicing at the birth of Jesus.
These poor, blind COGlodytes, with the alleged insider knowledge of God's Plan, relegate the resurrection of Jesus to a footnote.
To detract from this part of God's plan and add insult to injury, it's almost the season for the COGs to begin mocking those who do glorify their Savior with the commemoration of his reresection.
Due to the obstruction of a fat Easter Bunny, the COGs can't see anything worth celebrating in being made alive with and being raised up with Jesus (Ephesians 2:5-6).
It amazes me how thorough the indoctrination on seeing paganism everywhere is - even the educated and those who have formerly enjoyed the Christian holidays believe that the Christians-falsely-so-called use rabbits, eggs, and Santa Claus in their worship of God on these "pagan holidays".
I suppose there may be wayward church out there who may have a graphic bunny on stage on Easter, to catch the eye of children.
However, these symbols are not religious symbols used in worshipping God, in any church I've known.
In fact, Christianity stands firmly against the use of those symbols that make COGs apoplectic, in the worship of God.
However, I've never met a COGlodyte yet who doesn't enjoy eating the candy offered on pagan altars to the pagan gods at Christmas and Easter.
Anonymous 8:29 wrote, " It's just one of those inevitabilities of parallel existence. In so many cases, the influence is unwitting, purely coincidental and inadvertent. Historians and anthropologists have long noted that the Holy Days of ancient Israel are very similar to the days kept by the Canaanites."
ReplyDeleteJust so. An interesting statement about the Feast of Tabernacles from Wikipedia:
"Sukkot shares similarities with older Canaanite new-year/harvest festivals, which included a seven-day celebration with sacrifices reminiscent of those in Num. 29:13-38 and "dwellings of branches," as well as processions with branches."
It does not sound like the FoT is an exact replica of the Canaanite harvest festival but if God were really concerned about form would he not want to avoid even the appearance of evil? God is concerned about meaning - his meaning. Can you imagine an Armstrongist buttonholing God and telling him that he can't declare the FoT because it is very like a predecessor Canaanite festival? That he is going to have to come up with something else that does not have such an obvious pagan connection?
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The idea that the Catholic/Christian Church became paganized is absolute nonsense! The Christians of the first three centuries were in a life and death battle with both Judaism and paganism. Judaizers would try to subvert the Church from within, while the pagans attacked it from without. There are no records from pagan, Jewish, or Christian sources that the early Christians underwent mass paganization or mass Judaizing. The actual historical records show only a very few gave in to the attempts to compromise them. The vast majority said no even if it meant death. And when Christianity became legal in 313AD, there was no compromise in beliefs whosoever. Rather, there was the Arian controversy and the time of trouble with Julian the Apostate that caused the Christians to fight successfully for what they already had. So, by the time Christianity became the legal religion of the Empire in the 380's, paganism was dead, and Judaism was marginalized. M needless to say, a successful religion doesn't need to borrow from a failed religion.
ReplyDeleteThis blog only ever reflects the ongoing trend of ministry who burn out and turn on their very own house of faith. Heartless priests who God always condemns.
ReplyDeleteAgree.
Delete"The idea that the Catholic/Christian Church became paganized is absolute nonsense!"
ReplyDeleteOh boy, this is gonna trigger Bob Thiel to pitch another fit again. His narrative is useless without playing this card in his deck.
"This blog only ever reflects the ongoing trend of ministry who burn out and turn on their very own house of faith. Heartless priests who God always condemns."
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of baseless crap! Prove it!
Based in scripture heartless priest.
DeleteFunny how when this blog situation is summed up to the driving force of burned out Ministry running it the comments get very nasty indeed. The nastiness is ALWAYS a reflection of the burnout. The are many articles ALREADY been written in various publications about the phenomenon of burnout from within Christian ministry from ALL denominations.
You don't have to be a genius to work out it's also RAMPANT from within the very Church of God Sabbath keeping Ministry as well.
This subject is NEVER discussed or written about within COG publications but the existence of this blog is evidence alone that its become a major problem.
But not a problem God himself cannot deal with.
Anonymous 3/26 @ 1:47,
ReplyDeleteBased in TRUTH, clueless commentator!
The person who authored this post, me, was NEVER part of ANY ACOG ministry; and I'm not burned-out. I am more devoted to God and Jesus Christ today than I was on the first day I became acquainted with Armstrongism - still thrilled to have been called to be a part of God's Kingdom! This blog is evidence that some folks have survived their brush with Herbert Armstrong's heresy - NOT the existence of a burned-out ministry.
You have repeatedly written in this blog about preaching in Sabbath services and being the son of a CGI Pastor. Was that all lies then ?
DeleteAnon 907,
ReplyDeleteYou choose to label people here as heartless priests whom the Lord condemns. And after this ad hominem attack you have the gall to say people get nasty when their response is directed to the substance of the attack rather than the individual as you have done. So, as rightfully expressed earlier, prove your ad hominem claim.
They ARE heartless priests who HAVE turned on their own house of faith and the Lord repeatedly in scripture CONDEMNS them. So take the emotional outrage you wallow in to God.
ReplyDeleteHeartless priest.
See the attacks for daring to mention the banned by heartless priests subject: burned out COG ministry who turn on their own house of faith. They are, without doubt, in the driving seat of all these GODLESS blogs that have sprung up.
ReplyDeleteThey are also the main root of all the troubles that mauls the Churches of God.
Anonymous 3/27 @ 1:06, 1:11, 1:11 and 1:19,
ReplyDeleteNONE of you have addressed the points made in this post. Characterizing the contributors to this blog as "heartless priests" isn't an attack? Moreover, it's too rich to say that the folks who are pointing out the problems are the source of the problems! Scripture does CONDEMN all of the false prophets and heretical ministers in the ACOGs, but it praises those who point out falsehood, wickedness, and hypocrisy (of which there is no shortage within the ranks of Armstrongism). Finally, lots of folks have been asked to speak to ACOG congregations who are NOT part of the ministry and being the son of a minister makes me the son of a minister - a preacher's kid, nothing more!