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Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
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Tuesday, June 7, 2022
Dave Pack's mind of death never quits. These recent "enemies" will be cut asunder.
"But in spite of all of my trying, a handful of our people - with their lies have made our lives impossible. There is no way to detach ourselves from what happened today".
"Not only are we in a compound situation, but there are those that have left and committed the betrayal of the century".
These are a couple of opening statements by Jim Jones before he some 45 minutes later murdered over 900 people including 300 children.
Dave Pack has no way forward period. He can't produce Jesus Christ when he says he can produce him. He can't establish one revelationary narrative and stick with it however how long it takes to come to fruition. He can't trust anyone in his presence going forward. There has been no worldwide announcement of just who he is. There has been no final message from his own mouth for the world to contemplate.
Dave Pack's mind of death never quits. These recent "enemies" will be cut asunder. Three men (COG leaders) will die by fire. He will set up fiery ovens across the world in the Kingdom to burn up the enemies of ....? Everyone that has gone against him has presumably died or become incapacitated. He will go, according to him, with six of his fellows and murder vast millions with the edge of the sword in the not too distant future.
Jim Jone's mind had this to say to his followers on that fateful day in 1978. "Now what's going to happen here in a matter of minutes, is that one of those people on that plane is going to shoot the pilot - I know that! I didn't plan it, but I know it is going to happen.
The mind of death in this world is of one spirit, and it certainly isn't God's. There is the very real reality that Dave Pack himself could die at any time. And what would be his legacy and what would be written for an epitaph? It might read something like this: Dave Pack spent the last 10 years of his and his member's life expounding from a theological rat's hole of events that never came to be. To fund his fake and dangerous kingdom, he caused the financial death of all of his followers. He caused the death of many marriages and family units to further fund his enterprise. He caused the spiritual death of many, who lost any and all orientation of the one true God. He wished death upon all of his perceived enemies in the present time and spoke often of his participation in the future deaths of multiple millions of people. In the end, he is just a footnote in history and to a degree, his likeness is like that of other men in the past who gained notoriety for their acts against the innocent.
Troubling, its Tuesday and we haven't heard a thing from the compound. I thought Davie C said if it didn't happen on Sunday, he would have earth shattering revelations on Monday. It was so big we were to pray that he was wrong. Well its Tuesday and not a peep out of Wadsworth. Might they be in Damage Control Mode? This is all so disconcerting. Now I find out there are two motorcycle helmets sitting in front of Davie C when he utters his prophetic utterances. I'm worried there is now a Hells Angles involvement in this whole thing. It is so troubling. What could possibly be next, a Charles Manson connection. I'm at my wits end.
I just don't see him retreating or giving up, even though it appears to all of us that he has painted himself into a corner with no way out. That's just not the way of people with obsessive-compulsive disorder. My parents were infected with the same disorder, which barring Alzheimers or a debillitating stroke or injury, does not go away. He will bop til he drops just as they did.
Now if the math was prefect, what is the excuse for the failed prophecy this time? Another no show for the prophet Davie C. Maybe its time to sell the horses and get a new career.
Bonus Flashback – September 11, 2020 – Part 266 @ 33:43
“I don’t see any possible way, none, we’ll talk about this at the end, no possible way without fighting and trashing and rejecting the scriptures, I’ma give you my opinion, then you can decide whether I’m the ruler Christ appointed, where this can happen after Trumpets. I see no way, none. And you’ll and you’ll be your own judge, because we all live by our own faith.”
You see the illness coming out here. He thinks he is a "ruler",(of what?) and that he has been appointed by Christ himself. You would think if that were the case Dave would be a bit more ACCURATE in his public pronouncements and teachings.
Here is my question-is there nobody in the lives of these men who love them enough to tell them the truth? No one? Why hasn't Mrs. Pack stepped up and called a doctor? Why haven't some of the ministers gone to Mrs. Pack and have a quiet, private, honest conversation. If someone doesn't intervene soon, before it's too late, I genuinely fear for all those in Wadsworth. He has already stolen their quality of life, their money, their peace and their salvation, so what's one more thing (which I do not even want to say out loud) to him if it will get him what he believes is rightfully his?
Statistics are clear that the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic abuse is at the point they decide to leave the abuser. If it is even remotely possible to get help before a tragedy occurs, can someone please get him some help?
@ 41:27 "If you watch some minister leave the Church, that man, you say, 'Well, he was never converted.' He has sinned unto death. He signed his death warrant. He’s orphaned his children. He will not live. Christ said they’d He burns corrupt trees. And before that, I’m gonna tell you exactly when it is they’re gonna lose an eye or an arm. A lot of things are clear. It almost becomes its own indicator that we’re running outta time. We had a burst of antichrists. It’s wonderful, ‘cause we are not paying thieves anymore. One of ‘em didn’t want to go to his Feast assignment, he’s worried about getting the COVID. And so we told him, 'No, you gotta go to where your Feast is.' And he quit. I wasn’t there when he stamped his feet, I just know he did. I know the man and I know he did. Do not pray for these people."
@ 45:08 "I’m not sad, not even a little bit. I’m thrilled. Why? Well, I rejoice when one of God’s enemies is exposed and leaves. Rejoice! Thank God they’re no longer stealing His tithes. Thank God none of His people have to be under them any longer. Thank God they’re free at last. Thank God no one ever follows these evil men. Thank God we’re seeing prophecy fulfilled and are getting nearer the end. Thank God that the people who still believe in the government of God, meaning you, will not be sending their tithes to unfaithful thieves anymore. And thank God they’re outside the Church, not inside, beating their fellow servants. Please brethren, don’t cry over one of the devil’s ministers leaving. Don’t do that! That would offend God. Don’t do it!"
I'm confused. Why does he need motorcycle windshields to deflect the air? Doesn't the main compound building have air conditioning? And what about his outburst that there are men sitting across from him upstairs who he doesn't trust. Sounds like paranoia is setting in. Cracks are developing. Could there be a mass exodus in the near future?
Don't forget the frog syndrome. Statistically, there has always been a substantial percentage of members who don't realize that the temperature of the water is gradually rising, and they get cooked to desth. Their doctrinal approach and reverence for self-proclaimed apostles is analogous to the frog's cold blood that keeps him from realizing that the water is boiling. By comparison, mainstream Christians are warm-blooded, and they'd know to get out or do something about it if one of their leaders lost his sanity.
I've spent many years watching the televangelists and listening to the 'focus on the family' radio program. On a practical level, they do not differ much from the ACOGs. They all reject rights, they all mentally shrink their members and are tyrannical. They differ in that the large congregation size of the mainstream churches gives their members more freedom.
Those motorcycle windshields are really bothering me. I find them "Tacky" to be used by such an influential world leader. I mean, doesn't the air conditioning work at the compound?
"Should i still be praying that Dave is wrong, Or has that been recinded?"
I think it has been rescinded. Jesus was seen riding Dave's horses before they went out on the Harley's to explore Wadsworth and the Giant Eagle as they planned New Jerusalem.
Have any new return dates been set? According to my math, it has been three days since the last prophetic failure, and I haven't seen or herd of the next arrival date. I like to keep up on these things, and find it a bit disconcerting not having a date to circle on my calendar. You think Dave would be a bit more diligent in his erroneous date settings, after all, people are counting on him.
I don't know if you guys know it or not but this coming weekend begins a big ministerial conference that's going to last a week at RCG. I remember when the WCG broke up a lady I knew went to a Pentecostal meeting during the feast and when she came back she began singing and speaking in tongues,anointing buildings, cars and people and she just kind of went cuckoo. I'm hoping that whatever that spirit is there in Wadsworth doesn't spread to all the participants and their families.
What are they down to about 10 ministers? Numbers, must be dropping dramatically because of these continual erroneous prophetic failures. Tick Toc It won't be long now.
Well I don't know how many ministers are left but I know they're envoy keeps shrinking and shrinking. They put almost as many pages but it's the same people over and over. And lots of scenery.
As membership slides to below 1000 in the "One-True-Church" - the itsy bitsy teenie weenie'little-flock' - and unwanted, outdated, poorly rewritten, irrelevant booklets pile up in the cobwebbed overbuilt 'Mail-Processing-Center'.
Good news: Horses are known to eat paper if they're hungry enough; the boxes of excess booklets can be shredded & mixed with molasses.
How can Dave expect Jesus to return when he hasn't even trained the two witnesses yet? Also, Gog and Magog haven't assembled their armies. No temple. The pope hasn't moved to Jerusalem. And someone wants to blame the brethren for not being obedient enough? Dave isn't following the narrative in the book of Revelation! Unless, maybe he has four horses.
WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH said...
Well said, my friend.
ReplyDeleteNow I understand some kind of motorcycle gang is involved in this. What the hell is going on?
ReplyDeleteTroubling, its Tuesday and we haven't heard a thing from the compound. I thought Davie C said if it didn't happen on Sunday, he would have earth shattering revelations on Monday. It was so big we were to pray that he was wrong. Well its Tuesday and not a peep out of Wadsworth. Might they be in Damage Control Mode? This is all so disconcerting. Now I find out there are two motorcycle helmets sitting in front of Davie C when he utters his prophetic utterances. I'm worried there is now a Hells Angles involvement in this whole thing. It is so troubling. What could possibly be next, a Charles Manson connection. I'm at my wits end.
ReplyDeleteI just don't see him retreating or giving up, even though it appears to all of us that he has painted himself into a corner with no way out. That's just not the way of people with obsessive-compulsive disorder. My parents were infected with the same disorder, which barring Alzheimers or a debillitating stroke or injury, does not go away. He will bop til he drops just as they did.
ReplyDeleteWadsworth's own extended rendition of Waiting for Godot...
ReplyDeleteNow if the math was prefect, what is the excuse for the failed prophecy this time? Another no show for the prophet Davie C. Maybe its time to sell the horses and get a new career.
ReplyDeleteBonus Flashback – September 11, 2020 – Part 266 @ 33:43
ReplyDelete“I don’t see any possible way, none, we’ll talk about this at the end, no possible way without fighting and trashing and rejecting the scriptures, I’ma give you my opinion, then you can decide whether I’m the ruler Christ appointed, where this can happen after Trumpets. I see no way, none. And you’ll and you’ll be your own judge, because we all live by our own faith.”
You see the illness coming out here. He thinks he is a "ruler",(of what?) and that he has been appointed by Christ himself. You would think if that were the case Dave would be a bit more ACCURATE in his public pronouncements and teachings.
Here is my question-is there nobody in the lives of these men who love them enough to tell them the truth? No one? Why hasn't Mrs. Pack stepped up and called a doctor? Why haven't some of the ministers gone to Mrs. Pack and have a quiet, private, honest conversation. If someone doesn't intervene soon, before it's too late, I genuinely fear for all those in Wadsworth. He has already stolen their quality of life, their money, their peace and their salvation, so what's one more thing (which I do not even want to say out loud) to him if it will get him what he believes is rightfully his?
ReplyDeleteStatistics are clear that the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic abuse is at the point they decide to leave the abuser. If it is even remotely possible to get help before a tragedy occurs, can someone please get him some help?
It will put Wadsworth on the map anyway. From there the city can sell tickets for tours of whats left of the compound.
ReplyDeleteDavid C. Pack - September 26, 2020 – Part 268
ReplyDelete@ 41:27 "If you watch some minister leave the Church, that man, you say, 'Well, he was never converted.' He has sinned unto death. He signed his death warrant. He’s orphaned his children. He will not live. Christ said they’d He burns corrupt trees. And before that, I’m gonna tell you exactly when it is they’re gonna lose an eye or an arm. A lot of things are clear. It almost becomes its own indicator that we’re running outta time. We had a burst of antichrists. It’s wonderful, ‘cause we are not paying thieves anymore. One of ‘em didn’t want to go to his Feast assignment, he’s worried about getting the COVID. And so we told him, 'No, you gotta go to where your Feast is.' And he quit. I wasn’t there when he stamped his feet, I just know he did. I know the man and I know he did. Do not pray for these people."
@ 45:08 "I’m not sad, not even a little bit. I’m thrilled. Why? Well, I rejoice when one of God’s enemies is exposed and leaves. Rejoice! Thank God they’re no longer stealing His tithes. Thank God none of His people have to be under them any longer. Thank God they’re free at last. Thank God no one ever follows these evil men. Thank God we’re seeing prophecy fulfilled and are getting nearer the end. Thank God that the people who still believe in the government of God, meaning you, will not be sending their tithes to unfaithful thieves anymore. And thank God they’re outside the Church, not inside, beating their fellow servants. Please brethren, don’t cry over one of the devil’s ministers leaving. Don’t do that! That would offend God. Don’t do it!"
What has he got against lying? He does it all the time.
ReplyDeleteMotorcycle gang? I doubt it.
ReplyDeleteI'm confused. Why does he need motorcycle windshields to deflect the air? Doesn't the main compound building have air conditioning? And what about his outburst that there are men sitting across from him upstairs who he doesn't trust. Sounds like paranoia is setting in. Cracks are developing. Could there be a mass exodus in the near future?
ReplyDelete"Could there be a mass exodus in the near future?"
ReplyDeleteI think there has already been a recent mass exodus:
Membership now must be >1000
..cobwebs in the massive 'Mail Processing Center'
..horses will eat unwanted booklets if they're hungry.
Hell's Angels you say ...
ReplyDeleteDon't forget the frog syndrome. Statistically, there has always been a substantial percentage of members who don't realize that the temperature of the water is gradually rising, and they get cooked to desth. Their doctrinal approach and reverence for self-proclaimed apostles is analogous to the frog's cold blood that keeps him from realizing that the water is boiling. By comparison, mainstream Christians are warm-blooded, and they'd know to get out or do something about it if one of their leaders lost his sanity.
ReplyDeleteI've spent many years watching the televangelists and listening to the 'focus on the family' radio program. On a practical level, they do not differ much from the ACOGs. They all reject rights, they all mentally shrink their members and are tyrannical. They differ in that the large congregation size of the mainstream churches gives their members more freedom.
DeleteYou should be concerned about your splinter leaders.
ReplyDeleteWhy? The're not the ones wishing death on everyone. Quit the biker gang, and sell the horses Dave. I hear Walmart is hiring.
ReplyDeleteShould i still be praying that Dave is wrong, Or has that been recinded?
ReplyDeleteThose motorcycle windshields are really bothering me. I find them "Tacky" to be used by such an influential world leader. I mean, doesn't the air conditioning work at the compound?
ReplyDelete"Should i still be praying that Dave is wrong, Or has that been recinded?"
ReplyDeleteI think it has been rescinded. Jesus was seen riding Dave's horses before they went out on the Harley's to explore Wadsworth and the Giant Eagle as they planned New Jerusalem.
Is it true that motorcycles are being kept in the former 'Mail Processing Center'? ... (Asking for a friend.)
ReplyDeleteHave any new return dates been set? According to my math, it has been three days since the last prophetic failure, and I haven't seen or herd of the next arrival date. I like to keep up on these things, and find it a bit disconcerting not having a date to circle on my calendar. You think Dave would be a bit more diligent in his erroneous date settings, after all, people are counting on him.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you guys know it or not but this coming weekend begins a big ministerial conference that's going to last a week at RCG. I remember when the WCG broke up a lady I knew went to a Pentecostal meeting during the feast and when she came back she began singing and speaking in tongues,anointing buildings, cars and people and she just kind of went cuckoo. I'm hoping that whatever that spirit is there in Wadsworth doesn't spread to all the participants and their families.
ReplyDeletere: big ministerial conference
ReplyDeleteWhat are they down to about 10 ministers? Numbers, must be dropping dramatically because of these continual erroneous prophetic failures. Tick Toc It won't be long now.
Well I don't know how many ministers are left but I know they're envoy keeps shrinking and shrinking. They put almost as many pages but it's the same people over and over. And lots of scenery.
ReplyDeleteAs membership slides to below 1000 in the "One-True-Church"
ReplyDelete- the itsy bitsy teenie weenie'little-flock' - and unwanted, outdated, poorly rewritten, irrelevant booklets pile up in the cobwebbed overbuilt 'Mail-Processing-Center'.
Good news: Horses are known to eat paper if they're hungry enough;
the boxes of excess booklets can be shredded & mixed with molasses.
this coming weekend begins a big ministerial conference that's going to last a week at RCG
ReplyDeleteI hope this won't be Dave's Waco or Jonestown moment.
There about 500,000 Flat Earthers "all round the world", so Dave's not doing so good, even compared to that, with 1000 church members. Or 10,000
ReplyDeletere: How many left.
ReplyDeleteFollowing the wolf: If there are four to five hundred worldwide that would be a lot. I'm guessing there about 50 to 60 left at the compound.
How can Dave expect Jesus to return when he hasn't even trained the two witnesses yet? Also, Gog and Magog haven't assembled their armies. No temple. The pope hasn't moved to Jerusalem. And someone wants to blame the brethren for not being obedient enough? Dave isn't following the narrative in the book of Revelation! Unless, maybe he has four horses.
ReplyDeleteDave is starting to remind me of the sixth season of Dexter.
ReplyDeleteGuess we're going to see how God deals with the apostacy at RCG.
ReplyDelete