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Monday, July 18, 2022

Guest Column: The Radicalization of Two Men


The Radicalization of Two Men

Over the months since my father’s death in December of last year, I’ve had an opportunity to reflect on what caused the alienation and hurts which characterized my relationship with him over the last couple of years of his life. For me, this has been an essential part of coming to terms with his passing and moving on with my own life, but it has also given me some insight into the larger forces that have been at work within my former religious community (Armstrongism) and the nation I call home (the United States of America).

Prior to his death, my father had threatened to cut off all ties with me because of my criticisms of his friend’s (Bill Watson’s) messaging. At the time of his death, my father (Wayne Hendrix) was barely speaking to me, and I found the thought of listening to Bill Watson preach his funeral so repulsive that I could not bring myself to attend that event!

What had caused such a horrendous state of affairs? What had provoked this alienation – this breach? As with most such circumstances, the road to that place was a long and winding one whose milestones only became apparent to me after I had reached my destination and had been given an opportunity to review the route which we all had traveled.

Like any event in the history of the wider world, the number of possible beginnings and milestones (turning points) can seem endless when we begin to examine the series of events which led to a particular event/circumstance. Even so, a careful review and consideration of those events can help us to identify many of the landmarks and occurrences which inexorably led to the outcome on which we are focused. This is the process that anyone must pursue in trying to understand/explain some circumstance of history, and it was the very one that I knew would help me to understand my own personal trainwreck.

In a sense, this series of unfortunate events began in the middle of the 1960’s with my father listening to Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong on a Northeastern Ohio radio station. My dad, Wayne Hendrix, began life some twenty-odd years before that in Alabama, and his attitudes toward the U.S. and race reflected the baggage which that association entailed. In other words, as a young man, my father was already predisposed to accept Armstrong’s teachings about Anglo-Israelism.

In the context of his own background and experience, Anglo-Israelism seemed to perfectly explain America as he had experienced it. For him, the United States as Manasseh (and Britain as Ephraim) made sense of the early colonists being able to wrest this land away from the natives, enslave their African brethren, form a “Divinely-inspired” republic, and rise to the status of the preeminent nation on the face of the earth. Likewise, a few years later, a short distance away, another young man (Bill Watson) had also embraced Armstrong’s Anglo-Israelism and had embarked on his own personal journey which would intersect with my father’s story a decade later.

It must also be remembered that both men were living through some profound changes in the America which they had known as children. Throughout the 1960’s and 1970’s there were a number of prominent challenges to the power and position of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant men in American society. Among these challenges, the Civil Rights and Feminist Movements were probably the most important in terms of their perceived threat to the traditional order of things. For men like Bill and my father, these movements sought to undermine the God-ordained role of WASP men as the natural leaders of society (and it is essential to understand that they believed that God, through the Bible, had ordained the order that was being challenged and replaced).

In addition to these challenges, there were also a number of other forces at work that were rapidly changing the society which they cherished. I’m thinking about things like the globalization of the world’s economy, increased immigration from Latin America, and the environmental movement. For men like Bill and my dad, all of these developments threatened to take away the good paying jobs on which men like them had always depended to build their individual version of the “American Dream.” In short, to them, it seemed like everything that had contributed to America’s greatness was under attack and threatened!

Once again, although these feelings were certainly NOT confined to the followers of Herbert and Garner Ted, their teachings seemed to underscore the seriousness of the threat which these forces posed to their beloved America. Armstrongism taught that the end was near, and that the United States and other English-speaking nations of the world were in danger of God withdrawing their blessings and protections. Indeed, Armstrong and his followers believed that all of the “bad things” that were happening were the beginnings of God’s punishment of “Israel” for their abandonment of the order which he had ordained!

As a consequence, over the years that followed, it should have come as no great surprise that these developments would be increasingly regarded by them as evil and un-American. In hindsight, it also seems inevitable that this negative energy would come to be focused on a number of policies which resulted from these larger movements and forces. I am, of course, thinking about things like affirmative action, legalized abortion, initiatives to protect gay rights, trade agreements with other nations, and the unwillingness of the federal government to curb illegal immigration. Indeed, the policies themselves and their proponents came to be regarded as evil and further evidence of America’s decline. What’s more, the widely accepted liberal bias of the mainstream media eventually came to be regarded by them as a justification for dismissing any information which they provided as tainted and unreliable (which would eventually make them more susceptible to one Donald John Trump’s alternative facts).

Then, the unthinkable happened – America elected its first African American president in 2008! And, horror of horrors, he was re-elected in 2012! Of course, neither Bill nor my father would ever admit that their shock had anything to do with the color of his skin. On the contrary, they both channeled their anger and frustration at his liberal policies – those were the things that made him evil and un-American! Even so, the visceral reaction of both men to the Obama presidency pushed them even further in the direction of the extreme right of American politics. For them, there was now only one party that represented moral clarity and goodness, and it clearly wasn’t the Democratic Party!

During the Obama Administration, a development within CGI also served to further reinforce the rightward drift of both men. A black Canadian pastor named Adrian Davis gave his full-throated support to Bill’s and Wayne’s political messaging. As a consequence, both men felt emboldened and insulated against any charges of racism connected with their messaging. In short, the presence of a black man within the church who was proclaiming a message which was very similar to the one they were promulgating reassured them that they were on the right track.

In addition to the larger trends in American society and developments within CGI, my dad’s and bill’s trepidation over America’s direction was further heightened by my own decision to come out of the closet and reveal to everyone that I was/am gay. Moreover, my decision to pen a couple of articles on human sexuality for Dixon Cartwright’s The Journal only added to their consternation and dismay. As ministers of CGI, both men felt compelled to distance themselves from my views and to underscore their opposition to the gay “lifestyle” (even though it was widely known that I was completely celibate and living in a loving relationship with my former wife). In short, both men saw it as a moral imperative to underscore the wickedness of homosexuality so as not to be in anyway associated with (or tainted by) my “sin.”

Unfortunately, just a few years later, a demagogue of extraordinary brashness and cruelty appeared on the American political scene, and the stage was set for the final radicalization of these men. Donald Trump pushed all of the buttons that had been simmering and unspoken for the last fifty years! He unashamedly labeled Hilary, the Democrats, and the mainstream media as evil and vowed to completely overturn their corrupt policies and “make America great again.” This was music to the ears of Wayne and Bill, and a large number of their fellow disgruntled Americans. Moreover, Trump even promised to “build a wall” and stop the flow of illegal immigrants that were altering the very makeup of American society. Likewise, he promised to end what they perceived to be America’s greatest sin, legalized abortion. In similar fashion, Trump was openly hostile to LGBTQ rights and any effort to compromise with the forces of “secularization” in American society.

For my dad and Mr. Watson, God had sent them one last good King Josiah to reclaim America’s righteousness and halt her decline. Moreover, it appeared to make absolutely no difference to them that Trump was a known womanizer, adulterer, and proponent of questionable business practices. After all, wasn’t that what red-blooded men did? Hadn’t Mr. Armstrong himself been married twice and divorced once? Hadn’t Garner Ted been caught red-handed propositioning a female masseuse? Wasn’t my own father on wife number three?

What’s more, by this time, God’s political will was so clear to both of them that the notion of incorporating their political thinking into their spiritual messaging seemed completely natural and logical to them. In short, they had both become so completely partisan and radicalized that the incongruity of their position was completely lost on them.

Indeed, they had both become so laser focused on this brand of messaging, and so isolated from the society around them, that they were both shocked when I had the nerve to challenge their political messaging. How dare I challenge God’s messaging? Indeed, my challenges only served to enrage them and make them more determined than ever to promote their political views (or what they now regarded as God’s political views). I was unwelcome NOISE that was to be ignored and shunned. To them, I was defending the forces of evil – I had fallen captive to Satan and his minions! And hadn’t Christ himself said that a person must be willing to give up family and friends to serve him?

Moreover, like many of their fellow Trumpists, Wayne and Bill reinforced these impulses in each other. They reasoned that the fact that they had both reached the same conclusions about all things political was evidence enough that they were right – that God’s Holy Spirit had led them to this place! Indeed, the thought that they had somehow gotten off track or that their judgment in these matters might be clouded was completely foreign to them. Nevertheless, the forces that led to the radicalization of these men, and the circumstances surrounding my father’s death, are clearly traceable to their life experiences, friendship, and relationships with other like-minded individuals.

It is equally clear, however, that their extreme thinking did NOT originate in the mind of God – that it was NOT a product of the inspiration of God’s Holy Spirit! The United States and other English-speaking peoples of the earth are NOT Israel, and God is NOT a god of extremes! And, finally, the God of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures promised to supplant all of the political systems of this present world (including those of the United States and Great Britain).

It is my hope that this analysis of the radicalization of these two men will strike a chord in others who have experienced time in an ACOG in recent years. In short, I don’t believe that the story of these two men is unique within this culture. Indeed, I believe that many ACOG ministers and lay members have traveled the same path to political extremism (which accounts for the continuing popularity and acceptance of this kind of messaging within that culture). What do you think?

 

Lonnie Hendrix

 

53 comments:

  1. Mark Armstrong makes Bill Watson look like a moderate. If you can stomach it, listen to his latest tirade:

    https://youtu.be/yYK0e1kM5kc

    It is 2022, and he is still calling Covid 19 and climate change hoaxes.

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  2. Lies all lies. Funny how you left out about 40 years.

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  3. Miller:

    I watched part of a special on Steve Bannon last night and with amazement heard a Bannon supporter say that the people who attacked the Capitol were from Antifa. The reporter had to explain to her that they were not from Antifa and the names of the people shown in a particular films segment were known. I marveled that she could be an ardent supporter of Bannon and yet have such superficial knowledge of the January 6th Insurrection.

    I believe the Trump/Bannon base worships at the altar of White Privilege and White Nationalism. They have a White Jesus. And the changing demographics of America, with White people becoming a minority in this century, is terrifying to them. And they do not have enough respect for people of color to manage a polychromatic America in an equitable way. And they have found redoubt in The Very Stable Genius. And I think that is pretty much what they know about him and what they care about him - that he stands against the hordes of people of color. So they need look no further. And their superficiality on newscasts is not surprising. My guess is that they don't even know that the Trump/Bannon movement is not even a conservative movement. It is an autocratic populist movement with a few conservative ideas sprinkled around to snare the unwary.

    Though I have been criticized for it, my view is that this will ultimately lead to a great blood-letting. And the Whites will win the shooting battle but lose their souls. (I should add for some readers of this blog: 1) I am not a liberal but am conservative 2) I actually know what a conservative is. So save the gratuitous epithets.)

    I think your column shows clearly how the larger currents of our national malaise invades and corrupts the lives of families and the integirty of churches.

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  4. ANONYMOUS 7/18 @ 3:06,

    I don't mind responding to criticisms and challenges, but would YOU mind being more specific about what is untruthful (and why you think it is)? And what 40 years are you referring to? (The above treatise covers events from every decade from the 1960's until my father's death in 2021). I've always loved these sweeping, hit-and-run statements by anonymous posters, NOT!

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  5. To: Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM PDT

    Thanks for the link to Mark Armstrong. Never would have recognized him, not having seen him in 35 years.

    (Of course no one would recognize me,either.)

    Yes, I could see the path he was on and could not continue.

    The thing that REALLY struck me was the absence of the cross.

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    1. Judaizing sects, in general, have always disliked displaying the cross. Many of them consider it a pagan symbol. Some, like the JW's, claim Jesus was impaled on a torture stake.

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  6. NO2HWA,

    My original unpublished comment must have caused some butt hurt!

    This Guest Post is a pile of shit with too many lies and half-truths to address in a short amount of time. Mr. Hendrix (if that is his real name - sounds fake to me) asked, "What do you think?" If he didn't mean it, then he shouldn't have asked. I gave him my short answer.

    Apparently, little Bobby Thiel is not the only one who can have "butt hurt".

    "A pile of shit" was my short answer to Mr. Hendrix. Short answer because I am busy running my business, paying my taxes every quarter, obeying our laws, loving our God, and loving our Constitution - and that makes me a "political extremist" all because I support the political disruptor of the status quo, the outsider Donald Trump.

    I am tired of the outright lies that if you support Donald Trump, you are a white Nationalist, a bigot, a racist, a sexist, etc.

    Do you really want to take this blog down this road? BTW, I suspect what I wrote in my original comment about Mr. Hendrix is true! It must be true to have been censored.

    Richard

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    1. "because I am busy running my business, paying my taxes every quarter, obeying our laws, loving our God, and loving our Constitution.."

      You mean "I thank thee that I am not like this tax collecter"?

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  7. Thank you for your post Lonnie, which I read with interest. I do have a few differences of opinion with some of your comments.
    ‘a demagogue of extraordinary brashness and cruelty’ in reference to Trump becoming President.
    Brashness, well yes that is Trump, a New Yorker indeed, but cruelty is not anywhere close to being representative of Trump.
    I in the mid 1980s worked for a number of years with Cambodian refugees. Their stories were shocking and horrific, one man commented that he had no doubt that ‘demonic’ was an appt tag for the regime of Pol Pot. This was cruelty and savagery at its worst and to reference Trump within the same context diminishes the suffering of untold millions that truely experienced cruelty.
    Trump love him or not was NO WHERE anywhere close. In fact it is a rather bizarre claim. My mothers Jewish family largely disappeared in WW11, in Holland, because they belonged to a certain ethnic group deemed unfit for life. They experienced cruelty.
    If you want to point to leaders as extraordinary cruel, you need to look across the Pacific Ocean to North Korea or China, or some of the ex Soviet republics, or the Middle East, and to the African continent.

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  8. “ Lake of Fire Church of God said...
    NO2HWA,

    My original unpublished comment must have caused some butt hurt!

    This Guest Post is a pile of shit with too many lies and half-truths to address in a short amount of time. Mr. Hendrix (if that is his real name - sounds fake to me) asked, "What do you think?" If he didn't mean it, then he shouldn't have asked. I gave him my short answer. ”

    I have no idea what you are bitching about concerning some previous comment? Did something happen to you recently that has caused you to be so nasty to people?

    Lonnie’s experience is his experience and not yours. If you don’t like what he wrote then skip the post and ignore it instead of being a jerk as you were above.

    I’ve given plenty of ample freedom for people to comment here in the last ten years and will continue to do so unless someone is being a nasty jerk then I don’t care what you or they think.

    Go comment on Bob Thiel’s blog if this is too disconcerting for you here.

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  9. Neo, Thanks for the comments. I share your trepidation about the potential for violence in this country. Both sides are convinced that their opposite is evil and unpatriotic, and we are armed to the teeth (yes, those "liberals" tote guns too). It does not bode well for the future. Once again, "Thy Kingdom come - Thy will be done one earth as it is in heaven!"

    Anonymous 7/18 @ 5:05, Thanks for the kind words. I completely get your point about cruelty, and I certainly did not intend to put Trump in the same league with Pol Pot or Hitler! I was referring to the playboy/playground variety of bully - treating women as sexual objects, calling people names, and making fun of folks who don't deserve or need that kind of attention, etc.

    NO2HWA, Thank you for making a response to Richard's comment unnecessary!

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  10. An eyewitness said that once Adolf Hitler stood at the lecturn in front of a huge crowd of German citizens and just stared at them. Before long the women started crying. There is the following statement that quotes source material about the affect of Hitler's speaking on German audiences. See the article in Wikipedia on "Adolf Hitler" for footnotes:

    "A demagogue, he became adept at using populist themes, including the use of scapegoats, who were blamed for his listeners' economic hardships. Hitler used personal magnetism and an understanding of crowd psychology to his advantage while engaged in public speaking. Historians have noted the hypnotic effect of his rhetoric on large audiences, and of his eyes in small groups.

    Alfons Heck, a former member of the Hitler Youth, wrote the following:

    "We erupted into a frenzy of nationalistic pride that bordered on hysteria. For minutes on end, we shouted at the top of our lungs, with tears streaming down our faces: Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil! From that moment on, I belonged to Adolf Hitler body and soul."

    It disturbs and disappoints me when seemingly rational Trumpies become suddenly exceedingly angry, sometimes violent and begin using profanity when someone criticizes The Very Stable Genius. It's creepy.

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  11. I always find your insights enlightening and special. I wanted to comment about how Christians came to see Trump as a type of King Josiah before a national downfall. This reference was being made by dozens of nutty evangelical prophets and became a very common theme in many different Christian circles. I even heard it in COGs. What is interesting is that these Christian Nationalists have been at this for 100 years. I recommend everyone read "Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation" by Kristin Kobes Du Mez. She documents the rise of this poison going all the way back to Billy Sunday. In referencing presidents to a King Josiah, I am old enough to remember this reference being made concerning Ronald Reagan and George W Bush as well. It blows my mind how given enough time, why everybody doesn't figure out when they have been hoodwinked. I finally realized it when after 8 years of Obama, Christians were not being tortured to death in concentration camps. In short, nothing changed- one of the earmarks of a great President.

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  12. "It disturbs and disappoints me when seemingly rational Trumpies become suddenly exceedingly angry, sometimes violent and begin using profanity when someone criticizes The Very Stable Genius. It's creepy."

    I'm not happy with Sleepy Joe, but Trump is far more disgusting. It's a damn shame we don't have anyone decent to vote for.

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  13. I'm shocked. I don't know Richard (LOFCOG) personally, but he's established a track record over the years with comments that have been well thought out and reasonable. How does such an individual become and remain fooled by a dangerous demagogue, especially with the information that Donald Trump's own close associates have been revealing about him in their 1/6 sworn testimonies? That a beloved poster such as Richard could be so easily duped is very disturbing, and deeply convinces me that we as a country are in even deeper trouble than I had imagined. Because if they can get to Richard, any of the rest of us are vulnerable as well.

    I don't believe that posters comparing 45 to Hitler were insinuating that the Donald was yet murderous, but rather were observing similarity to an evolving general pattern, and the frenzy which both could arouse amongst their followers. On election day 2020, there was a plethora of big 4 by pickup trucks in my city, speeding around the neighborhoods in which polling places were located, all equipped in the same way with their requisite American flags, and Trump signs or flags, the diesels amongst them "rolling coal" as they say. I was glad I had taken advantage of early voting, because these guys were ready for a lynch mob!!!

    We've been provided with enough of a real foretaste of the attitudes, the questioning of or distrust of all of our foundational institutions and time-honored processes, the willingness to accept fairy tales (Q-anon), and the continuation of the totally debunked belief that the election had been stolen, to realize what is going to happen to us all if these dangerous people are allowed to regain power. It's downright apocalyptic!

    I certainly hope that Lonnie, NEO, and others will continue the work of presenting logic and information that will help to return our national sanity and avert a very bad ending to life as we knew and loved it. RSK offered the most salient and succinct comment of them all when he pointed out that Trump's followers were initially totally shocked by the insurrection, and the actual statements from the riot participants that they were not Antifa. These people were angry that they had been called Antifa and publically repudiated the very idea of that! I've been warning for months that these most likely well intentioned followers will be deeply shocked as they begin experiencing Trump's vision of utopia accompanied by the sudden realization that the Fourth Reich has begun and it's now too late. Let's keep getting the truth out there so that it does not ever become too late!

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  14. You’re correct about this Richard but dont get too upset with others

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  15. Even during the 1960s, the left was constantly labelling their political opponents "extremists." That the truth must therefore be somewhere in between the left and these "extremists" is not a law of nature, but rather politician manipulation. Christ must have been aware of these shenanigans when He said "My word is truth."

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  16. I agree Richard but don’t let it upset you too much

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    1. Exactly. I spent many years reading left-wing heavy and left-wing lite newspapers and magazines in order to understand their point of view. One thing I learnt is that their beliefs are set in stone and can't be changed. Persuasion just doesn't work.

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  17. Damn Richard, chill out! Lonnie's article is about his experience, not yours. You have had so many well-thought-out comments on here over the years and now you lash out in a manner not becoming of you.

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  18. Well Lonnie, you are an excellent example of someone who seeing doesn't see, and hearing doesn't comprehend.

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  19. I have listened to CGI sermons quite often and do think Bill Watson can be too political. I think it is appropriate to condemn societal cultural drift into biblical immorality, but to prefer one political party over another is self-defeating for a religious organization.

    If we are indeed Manasseh, and some nation has to be, than it may be more appropriate to attack the godlessness with how ALL politicians fall short of biblical morality.

    But as John MacArthur says, we need to start by commenting that as a nation we are being led by another god.

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  20. Stoned Stephen wrote, "In referencing presidents to a King Josiah, I am old enough to remember this reference being made concerning Ronald Reagan and George W Bush as well."

    Everyone wants to believe they have God on their side, no matter how bizarre their opinions might be. God has been recruited over and over again for all kinds of political, religious and social purposes. Seeing some political figure as Josiah is just a form of egocentric self-validation.

    What I do not understand is how support for The Very Stable Genius can become so surcharged with hysteria. That creeps me out. You could critize Ronald Reagan back in the day and people mostly were willing to engage in thoughtful debate. Not now. I was drinking coffee with a friend, a member of my same denomination, and made the statement that The Very Stable Genius did not believe he needed God's forgiveness. Since he has been a supporter of VSG, I was not surprised when his countenance went immediately sour. He and I no longer speak much.

    It disturbs me that there are people who are both Armstrongists and followers of The Very Stable Genius. Has to be the fringe of the fringe. And I am reminded of the citizens of Ephesus in the time of Paul:

    "And when they heard these sayings, they were full of WRATH, and cried out, saying, 'Great is Diana of the Ephesians.' But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, 'Great is Diana of the Ephesians'."

    Pardon my Armstrongian all caps. Just need to make a point. The reason why VSG is not Big Brother right now is because some good people stood in the way. (Just to give all this some balance, I also do not like many of the pet programs of the liberals. I especially do not like their semantic engineering - which leads to meddlesome social engineering.)

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  21. What do I think? A story for you Miller. I went with my Mother to visit my Grandmother at the local nursing home many years ago. My Mother dutifully checking in on all the details of her Mother's care and condition was confronted by the nurses with a major problem. Your Mother they told her only wants to eat the deserts at meal times and with all of the candies that the relatives are bringing in for her, we can't control her diabetes. My Mother without pausing said; "my mom is 93 years old and has had over 20 strokes - let her eat what she damn wants to eat".

    Miller, you should have seen this coming with your dad. I mean Donald Trump was irrestible candy. Just as we always believed in the WCG, the Kingdom would put everything in the right order and everyone in their right place and we being the rulers over cities would be the ones doing it.

    Rod Meredith shortly after forming the Global Church of God in a council of elders meeting pleaded with the men for something new. "We need to give the brethren something new, does anyone have anything new" he asked. Dave Pack sensing the same, has spent the last 7 years giving his congregation something new on a weekly basis.

    The COGs are all ripe for something new and are especially in a condition where irresistible candy is absolutely irresistible.

    Donald Trump was the irresistible candy and why would your father and Bill Watson not cleave unto him. He was a man who said he was going to drain the whole swamp, he was going to put everyone and everything in their proper place. The United States would be first in all his decisions. He chose a well principled Christian VP, his converted to Judaism daughter and his championing for a safe and secure Israel all added up to the kingdom now - the one they have been waiting for their whole lives - it was now all right before their eyes in the form of Donald Trump.

    What I am trying to get to Miller is; even if you are right and you have all the leverage to advance that truth, Wayne Hendrix is still your father, and there is the 5th commandment still. Your father gave you life and sustained that life for a lot of years and was Donald Trump candy worth betraying that - betraying the honor of your father?

    Miller I grew up 6 miles away from the White House. My dad worked for the Federal Government. Both my parents are liberal to the core. Both are non-religious to the point that they think all Christians are nothing but hypocrites. I am a fundamentalist religionist who is beyond concertative, and although I have never voted, if I did, it would be for the Constitutional Party candidate. My parents have not been wild about a lot of my life decisions, but I adore my parents and have kept relgion and politics out of any conversation with them.

    I would like to think that Wayne Hendrix was a lot more than a COG wacko and a Donal Trump worshipper. I would hope you think the same. Sorry about your loss Miller.

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  22. WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH,

    Thank you for your thoughtful commentary and kind words. Yes, my father was much "more than a COG wacko and a Donald Trump worshipper." He was a very complex man, and I loved him very much. Even so, I must also contend with the "wacko" and "worshipper" parts of the man - they are components of the reality that was Wayne Hendrix. I also respected and valued his many positive attributes as a person, a brother-in-Christ, and a father.

    Nevertheless, just as he was willing to confront and challenge any teaching which he believed to be contrary to the Spirit of Christ (including any presented by me which he felt met that criteria), I similarly feel compelled to challenge the same in him. I believe that the preoccupation with politics and the "warning message to Israel" (based on the premise of Anglo-Israelism) were not consistent with the Great Commission or Gospel message which Christ delivered to his disciples. Moreover, it is my opinion that those preoccupations were based on racial and spiritual attitudes that did not reflect a legitimate Christian perspective on those issues. In other words, these notions were NOT harmless or benign.

    I had a great aunt who was generally a very sweet and kind person who was devoted to Christ throughout much of her life, and I loved her very much. Even so, she was also undeniably a racist. What do we do with those things? I continue to love her and admire her good qualities, but I am also unable to ignore or dismiss the fact that her sense of superiority to non-whites was hateful, ignorant, and indefensible!

    I loved my father, and I believe that he loved me. Even so, I am left with the reality that he chose to support his friend over his own son, and I NEVER threatened to cut him off because of my disagreements with him on these and other issues. Bottom line, I have forgiven my father, and I hope and pray that God will also forgive him and only remember the very positive things which he contributed to the world around him and his sincere devotion to God. Finally, I continue to believe that God is a merciful and compassionate entity, and that I WILL someday be reunited with my father in the resurrection (where EVERY knee will bow before God and Christ and acknowledge any errors/sins/mistakes that we haven't already repented of).

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  23. This devolution is inevitable. People gorge on radio,podcasts, websites, and crummy channels pretending to be news. It’s a day in, day out assault on one’s soul, mental health, and emotional health. As time goes on, people that fall into this awful trap become husks of themselves, detached from any sense of morality, or decency. The unfortunate thing is some seem to like it, and others can’t admit they have a problem.

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  24. I am shocked more by LOF Richard's words than I am at Lonnie's. What's going on, Brother?

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    1. After a while the groundless nonsense of claims of authoritarianism, white nationalism, racism, misogyny, etc against conservatives gets tiring.

      Ironically/hypocritically all of these are more prevalent in those supporting Democrats. If you doubt that, just think about it for a while.

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    2. Cant disagree on the groundless nonsense, as during the Obama years I amassed quite the screenshot collection of "Marshall" law theories, banning the Bible, putting innocent white people in empty Walmarts, engineering a third time, death panels, banning churches, commanding a Muslim invasion and all sorts of other nonsense. The leadup to Trump was similarly nutty, though not quite as imaginative.

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    3. But even I got tired of the mudslinging towards Trump. Sometimes it was his opponents getting carried away with wild claims, sometimes it was his supporters. I suppose its a function of our internet-connected world, where before it was often just some individual ranting to his circle of friends.

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  25. I have not been a fan of the increased political talk on this blog in recent weeks. At first I felt it to be off-topic.
    However, as has been pointed out, a notable number of modern-day COG sects have been corrupted by this garbage, so I understand how it relates now... most of the time.

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  26. Neo is a typical armstrongite - give them a doom and gloom prediction and it takes over their personality.Neo has taken a strong lead in promoting his race war (which he boasts that whitie will win). Neo is a warmonger trying to stir the crazies on the left and right fringe to take action.

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    1. Hey Neo provides a lot of good stuff. His perception of Trump supporters is just off.

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  27. Mr. Hendrix said, “What do you think”

    MY COMMENT – I gave my short answer a couple days ago. I am having a very busy week so I couldn’t waste the time elaborating. Here are my highlights, but I had to cut it down for conciseness. Next time you post, I would recommend you don’t ask “what do you think” because you might not like the answer. It is the prerogative of the website operator if he wants to post political hit jobs, but I’m sure No2HWA is well versed enough to know a food fight is going to erupt. Here are my condense thoughts:

    Hendrix wrote: “I found the thought of listening to Bill Watson preach his funeral so repulsive that I could not bring myself to attend that event!”

    MY COMMENT – Did Hendrix really expect this Mr. Watson to hold a Trump Rally at his father’s funeral? REALLY? (I have no idea who Watson is other than he is an ACOG minister having learned that on this website, BTW). This Mr. Watson must be very powerful to occupy so much space in his head to prevent Hendrix from attending his own father’s funeral. Either that or Mr. Hendrix must be very weak. I have attended several traditional ACOG Funerals in my time. Both my parents had funerals presided by ACOG ministers. I attended both funerals even though I had left the Church years (or in my mother’s case, decades) prior to their deaths. The ministers presiding never entered my mind as a factor not to attend. It would never have occurred to me not to attend their funerals. Attending was the right thing to do even though in my mother’s case, the WCG/LCG had become a wedge between us resulting in an estrangement. Mr. Hendrix, It’s called, “Honoring your father and your mother” (Exodus 20). Where was Hendrix’s honor for his father? Heck, even Garner Ted Armstrong, estranged from his father Herbert and dis-inherited from a $200M religious empire, attended his own father’s funeral. It speaks to Mr. Hendrix’s character, or lack thereof!

    Hendrix wrote, “My dad, Wayne Hendrix, began life some twenty-odd years before that in Alabama, and his attitudes toward the U.S. and race reflected the baggage which that association entailed.

    MY COMMENT – Hendricks glossed over this statement really quick. It needs more discussion since his Post becomes a political statement. My questions would be regarding “the baggage”: was his dad a member of the Party of Slavery, the Democrat Party? Were his ancestry family slave owners? Did his father or other family members participate in the Democrat Party’s Gestapo, the KKK? Was his father a George Wallace (D) segregationist supporter? Perhaps, that is the baggage that made his father “predisposed”. Learning more about the ancestry in the Confederate South might shine more light on “the baggage”.

    Hendrix wrote – “…both men felt compelled to distance themselves from my views and to underscore their opposition to the gay “lifestyle””.

    MY COMMENT – Most people could care less about sexual orientation. I wonder if “both men” and Mr. Hendrix himself have ever heard of Billionaire Co-founder of PayPal Peter Thiel (no relation that I am aware of to the doubly blessed almost arrested little Bobby Thiel)? Peter Thiel is an openly Gay man who supports President Trump and spoke at the 2016 Republican convention on Trump’s behalf. How does Peter Thiel square with Hendrix’s comment? President Trump garnered more votes in 2020 than any incumbent President in history - and they come from all walks of life.

    To Be Continued

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  28. Continued:

    Hendrix wrote, “In similar fashion, Trump was openly hostile to LGBTQ rights” Later he writes, “Moreover, like many of their fellow Trumpists, Wayne and Bill reinforced these impulses in each other. They reasoned that the fact that they had both reached the same conclusions about all things political was evidence enough that they were right – that God’s Holy Spirit had led them to this place!"

    MY COMMENT – My Armstrongite upbringing has nothing to do with my support for President Trump. I do not personally believe what Hendrix has written here nor do I know anyone in my circle friends who support Trump who believe this Hendrix statement. So, who are these “many fellow Trumpists”? Hendrix judges MANY based on of a sample of 2 men? Really, and 2 Armstrongites to boot.

    Hendrix writes –“and proponent of questionable business practices”

    MY COMMENT – According to No2HWA, this Post is about Hendrix personal experience. What questionable business practices does Hendrix have firsthand experience with the Trump Organization to make this statement. Not what others have said or written with an ax to grind or with a political agenda – what first experience does Mr. Hendrix HIMSELF have since this is supposed to be about his experience? I have firsthand experience with the Trump organization having twice done business with them in the late 1980s & early 1990s and there was no “questionable business practices”. Even the liberal New York Times has editorialized recently that there will probably be no indictments resulting from the NY AG investigation into the Trump organization (a very politically motivated investigation as most can plainly see). This is a smear and am calling it out as such. Furthermore, I wonder if Mr. Hendrix has ever owned and operated a business.

    Hendrix writes, “Indeed, I believe that many ACOG ministers and lay members have traveled the same path to political extremism (which accounts for the continuing popularity and acceptance of this kind of messaging within that culture)”.

    MY COMMENT - I left Armstrongism in 1976. I am probably the typical supporter of President Trump. I support President Trump’s POLICIES because they work! What is “pollical extremism” about policies that promote lower taxes, less government regulation, peace through strength, belief in the rule of law including border security (which every other Country in the World except us seems to have), love for our Country and our Constitution? Career politicians of BOTH political parties have gotten us into the mess that this Country is in. Joe Biden represents the very worst of career politicians. When Biden ran for the Presidential nomination in the 1990s, his plagiarism became known and the culture at that time ended his Presidential aspirations. The irony is the hypocrisy here in which we all condemn Herbert Armstrong for plagiarism. I was given 2 choices in 2016 and in 2020. I voted for Trump, and I don’t regret it. Donald Trump was/is an outsider – just like me. I am a small business owner, taxpayer and I am not on the government gravy train in any way like the career politicians. Neither Democrat candidates in 2016 or 2020 could relate to me. But according to Mr. Hendrix, this makes me a “political extremist”. I say BS!

    Richard

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  29. Yep. But, I think Lonnie actually has courage. Probably should have gone to his father’s funeral, but cog funerals are tough to listen to.

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  30. Evil white supremacists claim (falsely) that we are already in a race war. The white supremacists use incidents of black on white crimes as "proof" of this race war. The Prophet Neo has claimed on this website that the race war has already begun and the whites will win, Is the Neo the Prophet a white supremacist? I think he claims that he is not one, yet he spreads the same message. At the least, the Prophet Neo is a co-worker with his racist brothers.

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  31. “ jim said...
    Yep. But, I think Lonnie actually has courage. Probably should have gone to his father’s funeral, but cog funerals are tough to listen to.”

    COg funerals are disgusting events to go to. They are always ego boasters to the preacher who feels they have to mock other Christian’s beliefs as they try and score points for COg doctrines. Never have I witnessed any sympathy or empathy for family members grieving. I refuse to attend one that being preached by a COg ministers. I will contact the family in other ways.

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  32. Richard,

    Thank you for taking the time to elaborate, and I did intend to invite commentary (I've NEVER been afraid of hearing opinions which differ from my own). Like you, I also value hard work, responsible behavior, and playing by the rules.

    My post was an account of my personal experiences and perspective on the political radicalization of my father and Bill Watson. Like most of us, my experiences of Donald Trump have not been personal in the sense of any face-to-face contact or business dealings. Again, like most of the rest of us, my impressions of Trump are based entirely on his statements, policies, what has been revealed about him through various television/online media, and what others who do have personal experiences of him have shared with the rest of us.

    As for my father, I did and do respect and love him. I am very aware of the command to honor your father and mother and have tried to do so all of my life (My brother and I were raised by our paternal grandparents). Nevertheless, I am reminded of a couple of other Scriptures that are pertinent to this discussion: "Fathers provoke not your children to wrath/anger." (Ephesians 6:4 and Colossians 3:21). And, finally, in addition to my own sensibilities relative to Mr. Watson, I didn't think my father's funeral would be an appropriate forum for hostility or confrontation.

    As for your own extremism, I make no judgment - I don't know you. I do agree with others who have commented here that most of your comments prior to this post have seemed well thought-out and reasonable. Moreover, I haven't suffered any butt hurt as a consequence of your commentary here, and I hope you haven't either as a consequence of anything I related in my post.

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  33. Neo's obsession with an "inevitable" and "currently underway" race war and his boasting about the how the whities will win this war is worse than anything the Trumpster has ever said.
    And I've heard Trump say several awful things.

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  34. Hey Richard LoF - I enjoyed your points. I'd like to say that I notice that sometimes when I try to post harmless things, they don't appear. I suspect it's more of a systems fault than the blog owner purposefully deleting a post - just a thought - it does seem to happen to others too.

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  35. The Prophet Neo should be featured as a guest speaker at Bill Watson's FoT. Neo could expound on his race war predictions, complete with the white victory, and really whip up the faithful.

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  36. Really, I think we've finally turned the corner on some issues. Suddenly, it's not just the Colorado River that's drying up, or the Great Salt Lake. Major rivers in England and Germany are drying up as well! I'd like to see the international Chinese conspiracy that could cause that! Seems like one particular political party's game of "Liar's Poker" is about to end rather abruptly. Howsomever, they too may be aware of reality, and actually realize that it is already too late so the only intelligent thing to do is to preserve our lifestyle right up through the end. That's probably the same way they would react if ET landed, or if it were known that Covid was eventually going to kill everyone.

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  37. 7:05, we do have a lot of latitude here in terms of what we write actually making it into the comments section, but I personally know when I've crossed that line and what may not show up. I never hold it against anyone when my stuff isn't up to standards, I mean it's just a blog, and not my entire worth as a person. But, then again, I am not a very angry person. Some peoples' life experiences have made them easily angered. Also, people in the past have occasionally confessed that they were typing while inebriated. Most of us are just debunking Armstrongism, having fun doing it, and making new friends. I come here to be educated, to share education with others, and for a good laugh once in a while.

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  38. I inadvertently overlooked answering one of Richard's observations:

    Hendrix wrote, “My dad, Wayne Hendrix, began life some twenty-odd years before that in Alabama, and his attitudes toward the U.S. and race reflected the baggage which that association entailed.

    MY COMMENT – Hendricks glossed over this statement really quick. It needs more discussion since his Post becomes a political statement. My questions would be regarding “the baggage”: was his dad a member of the Party of Slavery, the Democrat Party? Were his ancestry family slave owners? Did his father or other family members participate in the Democrat Party’s Gestapo, the KKK? Was his father a George Wallace (D) segregationist supporter? Perhaps, that is the baggage that made his father “predisposed”. Learning more about the ancestry in the Confederate South might shine more light on “the baggage”.

    My father was a registered Republican. His Southern ancestors were Democrats (as were the majority of white Southerners in days gone by). He did have a few ancestors who owned a few slaves, but the majority were not slaveholders. He did have a number of ancestors who fought for the Confederacy in the American Civil War. My father did support George Wallace for president in 1968 (I remember a black sanitation worker dumping our garbage can in the driveway when he saw the bumper sticker). He did have a first cousin who was a member of the KKK, but he also had two grand uncles who participated in the Underground Railroad. Hope that answers Richard's questions and sheds a little more light on my father's "baggage."

    By the way, my post was a statement against discussing or advocating for politicians and policies from the pulpit. I don't want ministers endorsing Biden, AOC, or talking about universal health care from the pulpit either! Also, it may interest you to know that, just as I was formerly associated with two ACOGs (Worldwide and CGI), I was formerly a registered Republican myself and am still fiscally conservative (I also believe that life begins at conception). So, only an extremist would consider me to be a liberal.

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  39. if these guys feel so motivated to utilize their sermons to campaign for Trump and his lackeys, they really ought to quit their day jobs and go to work for the Republican Party. It is perfectly obvious that it is the Donald who makes their lives full. Otherwise, they'd be spending their valuable sermon time talking about Jesus Christ.

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  40. Lonnie, that is a load of CRAP!!! Our Father was not a racist! I have asked you to stop bashing my good friend and Pastor Bill Watson. He is not racially motivated either! You have insulted me(your Brother) over and over again. You have continually attacked my friends, and everything that I believe in. You can put me in the basket of deplorables also! Yep, that's me, just another cult member. This Cult member will continue to support Conservative principles!. To all you other Bat shit crazy Leftist's I say this, Keep my Fathers good name out of your mouths! Have enough balls to put your name on what you say, so that I can hunt you down and beat the hell out of you!!! Any and all challenges will be accepted. Better bring your lunch, cause I'm not kidding!
    Sincerely, Steven W. Hendrix- Ultra MAGA Deplorable.

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  41. So Steven, if you're not a cult member, why are you acting like one?

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  42. NO2HWA published “The Radicalization of Two Men” on July 18th. For those who may not have read the above post, I talked about how my late father (CGI Pastor Wayne Hendrix) and his friend (CGI Pastor Bill Watson) meshed Anglo-Israelism with Trumpism and replaced Christ’s commission to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to the world with a toxic, partisan, and highly divisive political message. In the post, I also shared some of the alienation, pain, and sorrow that I experienced as a consequence of my father’s support for his friend (and his friend’s messaging) over his own son. Indeed, my father was barely speaking to me at the time of his death and had threatened to cut off all contact with me if I continued to criticize Bill’s messaging.

    However, although I loved my father very much, I continue to feel (as I did then) that political messaging of ANY stripe (right or left) is inappropriate coming from anyone who claims to be a minister of Jesus Christ. Christ commissioned his disciples to teach the world about him, his commandments, and salvation through him in the Kingdom of God. Moreover, there are numerous warnings from both Jesus Christ and his apostles throughout the New Testament to NOT get entangled in the affairs of this world. Indeed, the entire message of the final book of the NT (Revelation) is one of how Jesus Christ will ultimately defeat and supplant the human governments of this age (which were all modeled after the Babylonian-Beast system inspired by Satan the Devil). In other words, God is NOT a Republican or a Democrat – God is NOT a capitalist or a socialist – God is NOT a globalist or a nationalist!

    Hence, you can imagine my dismay when the above comment from my brother appeared in this thread yesterday. My first thought was: I guess that’s why my brother hasn’t answered any of my calls over the last week and a half! Second, my brother told me that he would never visit Banned by HWA or read any of my posts again many months ago (I guess one or two of his “good” friends must have brought it to his attention). Third, I don’t believe that I have ever used the word “deplorable(s)” in ANY of my posts on this subject. Fourth, the focus of ALL of my criticisms has been on the MESSAGING of these men and the organization they have claimed to represent. Fifth, the post in question was meant to explore the forces that had radicalized these men – to explain how their messaging had become so political and extreme – NOT to attack them personally! Sixth, my brother’s language doesn’t sound very Christian. Finally, I am left once again feeling abandoned and alienated by a loved and valued member of my family (Don’t you ever believe that old saying that blood is thicker than water!).

    A few years back, I pointed out that Herbert W Armstrong was best described by a line from Elton John’s tribute to the late John Lennon. He observed: “It’s funny how one insect can damage so much grain.” Alas, that is so true!

    Steven, I love you, and my door is always open to you. Even so, you can rest assured that I will NEVER stop warning Christians away from Armstrongism, Trumpism, and all other isms – ALL of which are representative of the spirit of anti-Christ! In other words, they are contrary to the person of Jesus Christ, his mission, and his teachings.

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  43. Lonnie, The only apology I make is for losing my temper, and my choice of language. Sorry to anyone who may have been offended, but I am just a flawed human. To be fair though, I must say I have heard you use profanity numerous times when angered, and batshit crazy is one of your favorites. I just can't understand how someone as smart as you are, could expect our Father to just all of the sudden change what he believed in all of his life, because you came out of the closet. You started the attacks on Bill Watson, and made it your personal crusade to save the world from the CGI. Our Fathers reaction to your Homosexuality, was I thought, very good. You expected him to denounce his religious beliefs for your sake, and when he refused to turn his back on what he believed with his heart and soul, you got your feelings hurt. You allowed your hatred of "Armstrongism", and your unwillingness to forgive him for his short comings as your Father, that you couldn't put aside your hatred for Bill, long enough to attend his funeral. Attacking him on this public blog, to tell about your journey, when he is no longer here to respond, is reprehensible. It is not Honoring him in any way!. As for you standing on your principals, and saying "I will never let anyone stop me from saying what I think is right". I too feel the same, as did our Father!. You obviously don't care about my feelings either. I Love Bill Watson, I love My church, and it offends me when you attack what I believe in with all my heart and soul. As for the reason we all love Donald J. Trump, it is because he kept his campaign promises, and put America first for a change! In short he was not a career politician like Mitch McConnel, or Joe Biden. The politicians that have been running this country into the ground for the last 50 years are all crooks! By the way, how's that Biden vote working out for you now? Lonnie, I love you! You have always been a good Brother to me, but I'm standing on my beliefs, just like you! The ball is in your court. Steven

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  44. Herbert W. Armstrong was a man. Like all other men, he was a sinner. Moses was a sinner, Abraham was a sinner, and so on and so on. King David was an adulterer, and a murderer, yet the Bible refers to him as "A man after Gods own heart". Paul was persecuting Christians, and stood by and gave approval to Stephens stoning, yet God used him to write most of the New Testament. I believe that God planted a seed with HWA. The vine that sprang up from that seed, got corrupted by flawed human men. The CGI has grown in grace and knowledge, and does not even resemble the old WWCOG!. I attended The WWCOG. I have attended a lot of Sabbath keeping churches, but none of them have been a fit for me, except the CGI. God will pick and choose who he sows his seeds with, and He doesn't care if you approve or not.

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  45. What a very sad state of affairs! The absurdity and perversity of carrying on a conversation on a public platform that would be better handled in a private telephone call. Nevertheless, it would obviously be a mistake not to respond to the substance of the remarks impugning my integrity and motivations.

    First, my characterization of the previous commentator's language as not sounding very Christian was in reference to the threat of physical violence - NOT the expletives employed (and I do like NO2HWA's use of the term "Bat Sh-t Crazy" to describe various ACOGs). Even so, I too am not averse to acknowledging my human frailty and sins - I have uttered many things in anger over the course of my lifetime which I have had occasion to regret later!

    As for my father, I never expected him to discard his firmly held religious convictions. However, as his son (and as someone who knew me and my story), I would have appreciated a decision by him and his "friend" to be kinder and more nuanced in how they addressed the subject of homosexuality going forward. As for Bill Watson, I do not hate the man. Nevertheless, I have found fault with his MESSAGING. Like all people, my dad and his friend were/are certainly entitled to their political opinions. However, I continue to insist that the pulpit is not the appropriate forum for their expression!

    As for my attitude toward Armstrongism, I think that my posts and comments here have demonstrated my opposition to many of the teachings of Herbert Armstrong and company. I continue to observe the Sabbath, but I believe their understanding of a Christian's obligation to the Torah (and their associated understanding of early church history) is flawed. I also believe that teachings like Anglo-Israelism (and its associated prophetic interpretations and obsessions) and disfellowshipping are harmful and potentially even dangerous. Finally, although it is not unique to Armstrongism, I think that their fundamentalist and literalist view of Scripture is unsustainable and leads them into many erroneous ideas about Scripture, science, history, morality, and philosophy more generally. Broadly speaking, these are my problems with Armstrongism, and my "attacks" on CGI reflect this perspective.

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