Too Simple To Get Wrong
The David C. Pack fecal-rich failathon continues. As a reminder, the next date on the table is set to fail in less than 15 hours. Set your alarm clock. Or don’t. Whatever.
Tuesday, October 25 at 10:56am eastern
During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 400),” Dave took a switch to the backside of the staff and informed them cuts were coming. He castrated Herbert W. Armstrong and the entire ministry of The Worldwide Church of God. God is going to destroy Thanksgiving and football. And he revealed that everyone in the room had never understood the gospel before.
The Headquarters congregation must have been aflutter to find out after supper who would get nailed in Part 401. Turns out, it was David C. Pack.
Within the first minute, he summarized the root problem with RCG today. He explained what was wrong with him, his motivations, and the direction the church was tracking.
This one sentence IS The Restored Church of God. This one sentence IS David C. Pack. And all the enablers at Headquarters. And all the zealots cheerleading from their chairs. Ready?
@ 00:45 The devil has to keep God’s people away from His plan.
Before 2015, The Restored Church of God was building momentum. The World to Come broadcast was on global television and growing on YouTube. Exciting projects were planned. New literature was being written. People were happy and excited to be there. Hope for the future was bright. There was a "pep in the step" of employees and lay members in Wadsworth.
With seven years of “The Greatest Unending Story!” now on record, what do they have to show for it?
No new literature. No new World to Come—it will be five years in December. No gospel message preached to the world. No exciting projects. No videos keeping social media active. No Behind the Work to excite the brethren at the Feast. Staff is paid to sit and listen to weekday messages for hundreds of hours each year, keeping everyone from being effective, productive, and efficient. There is no Work going on over there.
RCG is now the David C. Pack Sermon Machine. Sermons and trees. That is their primary focus. With an occasional $500,000 lawn to acquire. (Enjoy your evening walks a lot more these days, Dave?)
Dave preached that the bottomless pit of Revelation might become the Lake of Fire. This topic is popular in Canada, so I will throw them a bone.
@ 05:46 If there’s smoke and fire in the bottomless pit, which sounds an awful lot like the center of the earth, which is molten anyway,…and you're thrown into the Lake of Fire, and you know that the devil goes into the Lake of Fire…Where do you think the Lake of Fire is?
@ 07:43 Is the entrance to the bottomless in Jerusalem?
If his theory is correct, there is a hole on the surface in Jerusalem that has a cavern leading to the earth's molten core. God could do that. However…
The earth's core is about 1,800 miles (2,900 kilometers) from the surface. The terminal velocity of a skydiver is approximately 60 meters per second. Dave may like to do this kind of calculation, but I do not. Giggle away, Pete.
The Mathletes out there can fact-check me, but a human being traveling for 2,900,000 meters at 60 meters per second would take over 13 hours to reach the Lake of Fire. Maybe they tuck in their arms and bend their legs to get it under 12 hours because they are in a hurry to end it all. If you can hold the cannonball position for 12 straight hours, more power to ya.
I am no geologist, but I am pretty sure molten rock is a tad denser than water. So, if a human body striking water at 60 meters per second would splatter them instantly, would not striking liquid rock negate the need for any heat?
If Dave’s theory were true, the Lake of Fire could be Lake Tahoe because the person would be dead before a hair is even singed. Maybe the burning would be for cleanup and not to agonize anyone.
Whether Dave thinks God wants to squish people after 13 hours of free fall contemplation or the law of physics is suspended at the end of the journey, so people float gently into the molten lava, I cannot say.
Either way, I can envision him watching, wearing sunglasses, reclined in a lawn chair sipping a Mai Tai while eating popcorn. Dave that is the kind of human being I believe you to be.
A few minutes later, Dave was able to take an after-supper swipe at Herbert W. Armstrong while reading Revelation 17:10 because the same point made in Part 400 was not over-explained to his satisfaction.
@ 09:04 “And there are seven kings. Five are fallen, one is, and the other's not yet come." Mr. Armstrong, I think, understood that partly maybe because of Sardis. But he may have come to understand some things himself, which is one of the reasons why I tend to tip him away from 1%. That was very, very important. But he was only looking for the Seventh Head.
Dave had humility oozing from his pores as he graciously “tips” Herbert W. Armstrong’s prophetic understanding meter away from 1%. We assume he means climbing the ladder up to the 5% mentioned in Part 400.
The wicked historian in me remembered that Revelation 17:10 was critical “proof” to David C. Pack that Herbert W. Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God was an apostle of God’s True Church.
I thankfully pulled the book “I Will Send Elijah To Restore All Things” from the dumpster before the gasoline was poured and the match lit over at the RCG Mail Building in 2015.
The subheading “Revelation 17:10 From a Mid-1930s Perspective!” is found on pages 76-77.
God revealed a tremendous amount of overall prophetic understanding
to—and through—Herbert W. Armstrong. Ponder for a moment just the
number of books and booklets he wrote that were almost entirely about
prophecy: The Wonderful World Tomorrow, The United States and
Britain in Prophecy, The Book of Revelation—Unveiled at Last!, The
Middle East in Prophecy, Are We In the Last Days? and more. This introduces
a major point of proof.
Revelation 17:10 speaks of the seven heads of the Holy Roman
Empire. We have long known that one of the most amazing facts about
this scripture is its time-sensitive phrase, “Five have fallen, one IS, and
one is yet to come.” Mr. Armstrong carefully discusses this passage in
another of his booklets on prophecy titled, Who or What Is the Prophetic
Beast? (p. 14).
Let’s understand. The sixth head, or Roman revival, culminated in
Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany. In late 1933, as Mr. Armstrong’s
Philadelphian ministry began, Hitler had been in power for almost a year.
He was the existing head described as “one is.” The phrasing of this verse
shouts that the full understanding of Daniel’s prophecies would remain
hidden (they were “closed up and sealed till the time of the end” – Dan.
12:9), along with the book of Revelation, until the 1930s, when the sixth
head would be in place.
This puts Herbert W. Armstrong directly into the center of the
revealing process that God would initiate thousands of years after the
books of Daniel and Revelation were written. Think of this another way.
Had Mr. Armstrong come a little earlier, the verse would not have fit, or
it would have had to state, “Five are fallen, and two are not yet come.”
Had Mr. Armstrong’s ministry started just 12 years later, the verse again
would not fit, or it would have had to state, “Six are fallen, and one is yet
to come.”
How long has it been since you were reminded of the profound
importance of this astonishing passage? Honest minds simply cannot
explain away its direct correlation to how God intended, for thousands
of years, to use a certain man to restore (or actually reveal)—AT THAT
SPECIFIC TIME!—to full understanding the approximate one-third of
the Bible that is prophecy.
Remember, as an apostle, Mr. Armstrong was “more than a prophet.”
By contrast, Daniel was a prophet, yet he was not permitted to
understand his own prophecies (12:8-9)—and other passages show that
he was still one of God’s greatest servants (Ezek. 14:14). But Daniel
was merely used to record great future events, while God used an
apostle to explain them.
We must consider one additional—and related—important point
before continuing. We have established that Mr. Armstrong restored a
vast amount of general prophetic understanding. Would—could—the
enormous understanding of the prophetic fulfillment of WHO WAS THE
FINAL ELIJAH be an exception to the revealing process? Considering the
implications of Malachi 4:5-6, it might be one of the last prophecies for
which God would make an exception! It should not then be thought
unusual or surprising that Mr. Armstrong would also be used by God to
correctly explain this prophecy. It is rather to be expected, and even
necessary, that He would, when one considers the giant OVERALL framework
of end-time prophecy that God did reveal to him. In other words,
the fact that explaining the Elijah prophecy included recognition that he
was the one who had fulfilled it does not preclude God from using him
to reveal it. The fact that it was describing himself has no relevance to
God using him to explain it. Think this through very carefully until it is
impossible to miss.
Mr. Armstrong was the tool that God was using to do all the restoring
to His Church!
I neglected to mention that the author of that book is David C. Pack.
Reading that subchapter is laughable now. Dave put all his chips on HWA to establish how RCG was the ONLY church “holding on to the truth.” But on Saturday, October 22, 2022, he made a eunuch of the man’s legacy.
I never kissed the ring of Herbert W. Armstrong. He never meant much to me during my stint in The Restored Church of God. Did God use him to have His way preserved into the 20th century? Sure. Was he an apostle? No. Was he the end-time Elijah? Ha ha no.
Dave believed it. He lived it. He taught it. He built his sub-Herbie empire upon it. The man’s typewriter and deck of playing cards are still in the cabinet displayed at the entrance to the Hall of Administration.
But Dave does not believe it nearly as much anymore. The longer time goes on, the smaller and smaller and smaller Herbert W. Armstrong becomes inside Dave’s mind and inside RCG. He will dawn a verbal fig leaf to soften the sting, but that is the direction the track has been heading since 2015.
Back in 2014, if I had said that Herbert W. Armstrong was not the end-time Elijah and that he understood less than 5% of Bible prophecy, David C. Pack would have grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and back of my belt and tossed me to the curb like a barroom bouncer.
However, suppose there are people inside The Restored Church of God TODAY who are upset or disturbed by HWA being given a generous 5% of prophetic understanding. Well, in that case, that person has an attitude problem. They are rebellious and stubborn. They are resistant to new truths. They think they know better than the Apostle. Oh, God is giving you insight that He is withholding from His Government on Earth? Government is everything, so you better suck it up, as Mr. Pack says. Mr. Armstrong was sincere, but he was sincerely wrong.
In contrast to bitch-slapping the Headquarters employees before supper, Dave opted to give noogies to his favorite minions after.
@ 12:30 I don’t suggest I’m the only one with wisdom in the church…I have two men I work with. Without…whom I don’t know if we’d be where we are in terms of, you know, being able to figure this out in seven years.
So, it is their fault, too.
The Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy are equally guilty of the horrific prophetic roller coaster David C. Pack has been leading the members of The Restored Church of God on since 2015. No need for velvet gloves with them anymore.
The stammering Pepper Boy (aka Meat Shield) is Andrew J. Holcombe. You already know him.
The Coffee Kid is James E. Habboush.
Have you noticed how Jim has been able to avoid being a Meat Shield? Andy must keep losing the coin toss at the back of the hall when Dave needs a ministerial teat to suckle.
I worked with these guys. I served alongside these guys. I drank beer and shared meals with these guys. I have a personal connection with them.
Shame on both of you.
Blood is on your hands.
You are hurting people.
Your prophetic teachings are poison.
Shame on you, Jim!
Shame on you, Andy!
@ 27:54 The world is coming apart.
Dave launched into Chicken Little Mode again. Whatever is in the headlines and the Wall Street Journal this week are metrics that we are “at the end” and “cannot go another year.” For seven years running.
I listened to a sermon from 2005 when the sky was falling back then. The year 2006 took it in stride.
@ 32:01 Three things, then, become absolute. They become absolute.
Oh no. When Dave gets like this, take note. In the future, he will vehemently moonwalk away from what he declares as fact today.
When he uses terms like, but not limited to: never, absolute, impossible, inarguable, undeniable, or final, time will prove the opposite.
The never will eventually occur. The absolute will have wiggle room. The impossible will manifest. The inarguable will be disputed. The undeniable will be forsaken. The final will have additions.
@ 32:09 The First Kingdom is one month. A chodesh long. 30 days. You know, between new moons like all sacred months. Two. It follows harvest. And our last shot at that is Cheshvan. And three. This First Kingdom arrives in a year when a number of knowable metrics have been met. That makes its arrival sure.
Yeah, not so much. A Dave Pack Metric is as sustainable as dry ice in summer.
Part 235 – February 19, 2020
@ 28:07 But, I’ll tell you, there would never be any way we could ever talk about metrics again. It’s impossible.
Yet, two and a half years later, Dave still blathers about metrics as if that word means anything.
@ 33:56 So, these three absolutes are fixed in understanding and doctrine as was the thousand years in Sardis when Mr. Armstrong came with them. They are now fixed.
When the David C. Pack in our future attacks the teachings of David C. Pack today regarding the “three absolutes,” it will be accurate and fair to say, “David C. Pack of Part 401 taught false doctrine.” That may sound like a joke, but he has done it before. As the scribe, I just put a little bow on it.
If I am ever too correct too many times, Dave might make this non-prophet/non-psychic appear to be a real one. That would be super uncomfortable for both of us.
If church tradition holds for 90 years, some arrogant prophetic-know-it-all will thunder to his followers:
“Mr. Pack was sincere. But he was sincerely wrong. To be generous, I’ll say he had about 5% right. Some of you will feel I’m stepping on your toes. You gotta get over that. Mr. Pack was wrong. Oh, you’re taking away our Mr. Pack! I’m not diminishing him. I’m elevating him. I don't blame him. It wasn't God's time to reveal it to him. And look at the people who surrounded him at the time. He did his best with the little sleep he was getting."
I would consider believing him if Dave had not said this DOZENS of times before.
@ 34:11 We will never change One Month. And I will never change Cheshvan.
Sometimes it feels like much of a new article is content copied from others. Dave v. Dave is a perpetual showdown for superiority. They are both losers, so I do not care which one comes out on top.
Part 172 – April 27, 2019
@ 1:03:45 I wish I had understood that. Now I do. I’ll never ever ever again say the day.
Part 199 – August 20, 2019
@ 2:01:21 And I’m certain of these. I will never revisit them. I’ve got them.
Part 232 – January 29, 2020
@ 3:23:48 However, from now on, because I will never speak about timing again…I will believe Jesus Christ’s coming is now next Sabbath up…
Part 237 – March 7, 2020
@ 16:29 Now, whatever Sabbath it's gonna be, I will never move away from that.
To the skimmers: Please stop and read this next one slowly. The whole clip is a yellow highlight.
Part 236 – February 29, 2020
@ 59:28 …if nothing happens today, you could never convince me. Never. Impossible. That Christ does not come during Sabbath services. I would have to call Him a bald liar and Malachi was a liar, and Habakkuk was a liar, and the apostle John was a false witness of what Christ told him to report…
By admission, David C. Pack, Professional Blasphemer and Pester General of The Restored Church of Another god, called Jesus Christ, Malachi, Habakkuk, and the apostle John liars. Let God’s will be done. Amen.
If anyone questions whether David C. Pack is preaching “the day and hour” of the return of Jesus Christ and what is at stake for those trapped inside The Restored Church of God, this should seal the deal.
@ 46:24 So, if you’re looking forward to salvation this Tuesday, then you begin to see, “Wow, I guess I can look forward to this [the Great Supper], too.”
Brethren inside RCG keep “hanging on” because the salvation carrot is the biggest one there is. Dave is cunning enough to push a failed date just a few days here and push it a few days there. Do that three dozen times within 12 months, and you got people to stick around and pay tithes for another year.
The first and last few minutes often have the most compressed summary content. This wrap-up pitches the “last part” fake-out. Though the prudent understand otherwise.
@ 1:01:39 So, 400 Parts complete the charge. I have kept my charge, after all.
@ 1:01:48 The Mystery of God is over. There’s nothing else to tell you. As I like to put it. The Mystery of God ended. The final picture is unbreakable. Its working parts are too simple to get wrong. They’re just simple. You can’t change the Month. You can’t change which month.
Anyone reading for even a short time can guess where I will go with these statements. Since I am not particularly eager to disappoint, we will finish with a lightning round.
It is not over. There will always be more to tell. It did not end. It is not final. It will break very soon. Dave will discover a way WE got it wrong. Boohoo, prophecy is complicated. 30-days will morph into some variation. Cheshvan will only be the favored month until she gains a few pounds.
The Series is not over. Part 402 is coming. Dave will not wait one year.
Jesus Christ will not return with salvation tomorrow morning. That is too simple to get wrong.
See you on Wednesday, Kevin and Dawn.
Marc Cebrian
Perhaps Dave's best bet is to reset to the golden year of 2015, and pretend the past seven years was like Pan Ewing's dream. Dave could welcome everyone back and admit it was all a big mistake, just like 1972/5.
ReplyDeleteProblem with the entire Armstrong movement and its successors, is that it has promised VERY BIG , claimed very much, and crowned itself with many titles.
ReplyDeleteWhether it was access to miracles, or healings, or "knowing the future", or many other forms of "magic thinking", including a spiritual caste system where there are "the special annointed soothsayers of life" , the reality has not lived up to the hype.
I am a Sabbath Keeping Christian believer, but all of this extra dross that has been added to this, has caused much disillusionment amongst many, and there really should be a "Truth in Advertising" addendum to the entire movement to STOP with the bull.
Keep the Commandments, Love God, Love your fellow man. Thats plenty on the plate.
ReplyDeleteComments by Dave Pack stated the following stupidity: "...Let’s understand. The sixth head, or Roman revival, culminated in
Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany. In late 1933, as Mr. Armstrong’s
Philadelphian ministry began, Hitler had been in power for almost a year.
He was the existing head described as “one is.” The phrasing of this verse
shouts that the full understanding of Daniel’s prophecies would remain
hidden (they were “closed up and sealed till the time of the end” – Dan.
12:9), along with the book of Revelation, until the 1930s, when the sixth
head would be in place.
This puts Herbert W. Armstrong directly into the center of the
revealing process that God would initiate thousands of years after the
books of Daniel and Revelation were written. Think of this another way.
Had Mr. Armstrong come a little earlier, the verse would not have fit, or
it would have had to state, “Five are fallen, and two are not yet come.”
Had Mr. Armstrong’s ministry started just 12 years later, the verse again
would not fit, or it would have had to state, “Six are fallen, and one is yet
to come.”
How long has it been since you were reminded of the profound
importance of this astonishing passage?..."
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For me, personally, it has been approximately 24 years ago when I learned that the 6th head was the Roman Empire; however, the Apostle John knew that when he was inspired to write the Book of Revelation. How do we know?
"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." Rev 17:10
When did John do his writing? During the time of the "one is," which was during the Roman Empire..............and it has nothing to do with Germany.
The revealing of prophecies aren't centered about the personalities of HWA or Dave Pack (SELF) or, for that matter, Germany!
Can Dave identify the five that "are fallen?"
Can Dave identify the "the other is not yet come?"
Oh, and what about that eighth head? Who/what is it?
Although Dave Pack understands the 6th head had something to do with Rome, it has nothing to do with any revival...or, the "time of the end," because recall that there are 8 heads spoken of. Wouldn't one think that any "time of the end" may have something to do with that 8th head?
And Dave Pack, like other hirelings of the former WCG (e.g. Doug Winnail, Weston, Flurry, Franks, Shabi, etc.k), all continue to focus on "another Jesus" to very soon return to reign on earth for 1,000 years in some pretend Mickey Mouse Millennium?
The Apostle John stating "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." Rev 17:10 says what it means and means what it says and it applied to John’s day and age without any thought of HWA or any hirelings of the former WCG who fled, leaving sheep behind, to go “do their own thing,” yes even Doug Winnail, and establish a paycheck for themselves while demonstrating the truth is not in them.
Time will tell...
John
Anon @6:47..my Aunt was actually on Dallas, so I love that idea! Too funny!
ReplyDeleteI have said many times before, that sometimes 7 Mediterranean mail routes are just 7 Mediterranean mail routes, NOT "church eras". Additionally, Hitler was NOT a king, HWA was NOT an apostle or a prophecy expert. Just another professional guesser and proof-texter, like Dave. Finally, NOW is the day of our salvation, not when Jesus arrives in Wadsworth or anywhere else on planet Earth. He will return to Mt Moriah in Jerusalem and states that Himself. A few thousand miles (and years) off again, Dave-o!
Oh, dear..,,it's 11:35 am EST. Do you know where your Savior is? Not in Wadsworth anywhere near you, Dave.
All sensible, decent people detest the lying, thieving, false prophets like Dave Pack for doing so much evil continually and making the so-called Church of God religion look extremely bad.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that Dave Pack's followers are not sensible or decent and do not love the truth. Instead, their itching ears love to hear Dave's chronic lying.
Someone once said that HWA made a lot of promises in God's name that he was not going to be around to deliver on, and that he would not be able to deliver on even if he were around, and that -- worst of all -- God would not feel obligated to deliver on even though someone had made the promises in His name.
ReplyDeleteMr. Ce Brian, I have read some of your articles. Let me simply tell you that Mr. Armstrong never focused on himself. He said : Don't believe me, believe God and believe your Bible. I left RCG one year ago. Please do not mix up what Mr. Pack is doing with the Word of the Worldwide Church of God. Believe in God and believe your Bible and look at the world around you. Maybe you will know that a Work of God has been done by a great team of true Ministers under God's Apostle. You will know them by their fruits.
ReplyDeleteJohn correctly noted: "The Apostle John stating "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." Rev 17:10 says what it means and means what it says and it applied to John’s day and age without any thought of HWA
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Neither Dave nor HWA got the 5 are fallen, one is and one is to come right. Revelation was written in the Summer of 70 to the Jewish Christians trapped in Jerusalem being set on by the Romans. It was not written in the 90's as once thought. It was a hopeful but failed prophecy for THEM not us or anyone else.
Revelation 17:10
The Mystery Explained
…9This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction.…
The Five Fallen are the first Claudian Caesars of the day...
1 Julius Caesar (44BCE)-
2 Octavian or Augustus Caesar (44-14 CE)
3 Tiberius Caesar (14 CE to 37 CE)
4 Caligula (37 CE to 41 CE)
5 Claudius Caesar (41-54)
ONE IS
6 Nero (54 -68 CE)
ONE IS YET TO COME
7 Galba (68-69 CE) ..."and when one cometh he must continue for a short space. Galba lasted less than a year
The 8th who was and is not and yet is...
8 VESPASIAN Father of Titus who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD and Revelation failed.
Vespasian had to return to Rome to take over as Caesar during the Fall of Jerusalem and left his son to do the job. Vespasian was to go into perdition, the Man of Sin and the Antichrist who would try to destroy the Jewish Christ. He won.
ReplyDelete1 Timothy 6:20
20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, AVOIDING WORLDLY AND EMPTY CHATTER and the OPPOSING ARGUMENTS of what is FALSELY CALLED "KNOWLEDGE"— 21 which some have professed and thus GONE ASTRAY FROM FAITH. Grace be with you.
DP: "last supper was Tues nite". No, Thurs nite. The 3 hemeras (Greek for "day") and 3 nuxs (Greek for "night") were (in full or part): Nisan 14,15,16, and a few minutes of darkness Fri afternoon, Fri nite, Sat nite (maybe only a few minutes of darkness Sat nite). Read Mark 14:30, believe Sunday cannot be the third day from two days, believe the women did not prepare spices all day "Friday" while knowing a body was decaying and waiting until Sunday morning to go to the grave, before attempting to prove me wrong.
ReplyDeleteBetcha Jonah was not in the fish a full 72 hours, having to be swallowed at exactly sunset or sunrise, and being vomited at exactly sunrise or sunset. Would you survive in a fish/whale/whatever 72 hours?
Dave claiming that "HWA was more than a prophet" while Daniel was only a prophet, exalts HWA above Daniel. What a joke. How can a man who banged his daughter for ten years be better than Daniel?
ReplyDelete“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”
ReplyDelete2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
We live in times when leaders have mastered the art of "refuting" reality, and they really have no trouble getting their followers to believe and support them. Once this has been done, these leaders are able to manipulate and incite their followers in ways that are in the best interests of the leaders, not their followers. The followers see themselves not as hopelessly exploited dupes, but as the elite, those who really know what is going on. It's sad to those of us who have witnessed this all before, know the end, and feel deep inner sadness that it's still going on.
ReplyDeleteAnon, Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:04:00 AM PDT, wrote:
ReplyDelete...these leaders are able to manipulate and incite their followers in ways that are in the best interests of the leaders, not their followers...It's sad to those of us who have witnessed this all before, know the end, and feel deep inner sadness that it's still going on.
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Yes, Anon, time tells, does it not?
A Sabbath service sermon was given just before the Feast of Tabernacles 1998, and it would begin a series on the Books of Peter, which began as follows:
"...Today, I wanted to go through the book of Peter. We’ve gone through past sermons where we have explained, without any doubt, that Peter was the chief Apostle. He was the one who was in charge, and God placed him there. We’ve gone through in the past, where back in Zechariah, where you have Joshua and Zerubbabel and Peter was that Joshua. We’ve gone through that in different articles and in different sermons. God talked about Peter, you know; 500 years before he came on the scene. So it was very important to Him and there was another scripture when it talks about the apostles. It says: “These are the names of the apostles,” and it says the first is Peter.
Matthew 10:2 “Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;”
When you look up the word first, it also means: chief. He is the chief Apostle.
God has always worked through government in His Church: always. He has never worked in confusion. If you want to see confusion, look at all of our past organizations out there. They were all vying for members, or trying to hold on to them so they can “do their own little thing” and you see mass confusion.
All of the people want to get back together, and it’s the ministry who does not want to get together, because they want to run “their own thing.” So, it’s interesting to see how all of that works out. As time goes on, it will be shocking to everybody.
So coming back to Peter here, if he was the chief apostle, and Jesus Christ spent an awful lot of time with him, training him and teaching him, he would have some insight. He would be like, if all of us remember Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong: he told the ministry, “I have to preach the trunk of the tree. That’s my job, and I don’t have the time to go out there in all of these little branches and all of these little twigs. That you can do. You can do that.” He said, “I have to preach the trunk of the tree.”
God says to Peter, and anyone who is a servant of God, the number one thing is: “Feed My flock!” That is what we have to do…You can see all of the rest of the groups out there, and you can see mass confusion. We don’t work that way, and God certainly doesn’t. He always has things in order, and He always does it properly.
So, let’s get into Peter, because Peter, if he wrote some epistles here and some letters, and they are in the Book of the Bible, they must be pretty important. You will see as we go through this: that his mind, his eye, was always right on it. He was right on the trunk all of the time! He never swayed. He was always there…”
We are some 24 years into the future with many still seeking a pretend Mickey Mouse Millennium with the "very soon" return of "another Jesus," who supposedly is going to reign 1,000 years on earth with his "little helpers," but where are we?
Dave Pack isn't the only hireling who fled from the former WCG (e.g. Winnail, Weston, Franks, Flurry, Weinland, Coulter, Shabi, etc.). What's the point?
Has time not told? Does confusion, mass confusion still exist among all of the "self-serving" groups hireling leaders?
If it still has not become evident, shocking to everybody or not, time will tell...
John
Anon, Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 11:24:00 AM PDT, asked:
ReplyDelete"...Would you survive in a fish/whale/whatever 72 hours?..."
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No, I would not survive; however, in the example of Jonah I suspect he was dead inside that unique "whatever" God created for him, and subsequently resurrected to life and stand up after he was vomited up.
Was Jonah's Mom alive when that happened to her son?
"Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:" Hebrews 11:35
Jonah will live again, and you may ask him then all of the questions that may still be on your mind regarding this fishy tale after you see him. What did Jonah look like after he was coughed up? Any hair left on his head? Did acids inside the fish affect him? Did he actually drown inside it? etc.
But Jonah's dead Mom will live again and see her dead son raised to life again. Jonah wasn't lost for long. The parable of the Prodigal son(s) tells a very similar story.
Will the time of the second resurrection to life of all of the dead during the time of the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth in the Great Last Day, pictured by the Eighth Day Holyday, finally be a reality?
Time will tell...
John