Imagine if you will, that you are heading to church in a hot non air-conditioned room with a metal roof in the middle of Africa and you show up to and are subjected to a 1 1/2 hour video "sermon" covering so many points your brain tunes out due to the heat, subject matter, and monotony of the speaker's voice. Even the wild flailing gestures can't keep your mind occupied.
Even in the Zoom age, presentations that go more than 30-45 minutes lose their viewers unless there is room for personal interactions.
Today, the greatest Church of God leader in human history sent out his "sermon" from last week to his dwindling flock. It was all about church governance and the need to submit to HIM and how all of his accusers in Africa are liars.
These are the topics he covers in his "sermon"
Does the Bible support democracy or top down government for the Church of God?Does God work, primarily, through one human leader at a time?Did the late Pastor General of the old Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong, repeatedly teach that God worked primarily through “ONE MAN AT A TIME, though with others (male and female) assisting that leader?Who is that one man now?Who should be eliminated as being that one man?Would we expect that one man would be part of UCG, PCG, LCG, COGWA, RCG, or CCOG?Could God have given one or more Divine signs to point out who that one man is?What type of government will be in the Kingdom of God?Are we to be preparing to be kings and priests now?Is it appropriate to want to push for a non-top down from God’s government if there is some type of corruption in the organization he leads?What about 1 Samuel 8:1-20 and 1 Samuel 12:1-5?Did Jesus have any financially corrupt with Him?What are allegations that have been raised against Radson Mulozowa, Bradox Ochieng, and Evans Ochieng?Is there any truth to any of them? If so, which?Could there have been some type of deepfake related to an alleged Facebook Messenger chat related to claims of adultery?Does Laodicea mean ‘people decide’ or ‘judgment of the people’?Should Christians be ‘independents’?What about being ‘congregationalists’?Have various accusers changed their stories or broke promises?What should those who consider themselves to be faithful Philadelphians do?Dr. Thiel deals with these and other matters. So there is even MORE crap he talks about?
Bob Thiel was never ordained in the Worldwide Church of God, Global Church of God, or the Living Church of God, for multiple reasons. His mind-numbing sermon above is a perfect example.
The church in the early years dreamed up a course that Ambassador College students had to take called "Spokesman Club", a speech training class loosely patterned after Toastmasters International. Though, if you have ever been a member of Toastmasters you quickly learn how useless the Ambassador program was.
Spokesman Club has these points when giving a speech:
This is from Speech 2:
Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong has shown us that the first rule of success is to have a goal. This is most assuredly true in making a speech. Determine in this speech to accomplish this. Pick one main point: make it simple, useful, purposeful. Aim that one point straight from your heart to the hearts and minds of your friends in the audience.
Don't lose sight of that goal; know where you are going when you start; never deviate from that point; drive that one point home.
Pick one subject you know well, one you have been thinking about over a long period of time, or one that has filled your life recently. The better you know your subject matter the less you think about self (the less you have to fight nervousness.); the more able you are to present it with earnestness and force and help your brother!
Right off the bat, Bob has failed his sermon. Multiple topics and every damn sermon are about HIMSELF!
Select your subject. Write down every point that comes to your mind about the subject. Pare the subject down to the core (your one purpose, aim, goal). Omit all unnecessary ideas, thoughts, wanderings and excuses. Use only the essential elements needed to get across the subject. Draw everything you are going to say toward one point like iron filings to a magnet.
You can watch Bob's eyes as he speaks, his brain is wandering all over the place and he inserts useless topics of the regular brain farts he receives that prevent him from staying on topic.
Speech 3
Dull, dry speeches that put people to sleep are a dime a dozen. You must learn to make, your point, give your purpose ringing clarity. Make it sharp, to tbe point: remember the Word of God is likened to a two-edged sword, not a pillow full of feathers. Misunderstanding is the most common ailment of the human mind. People misunderstand each other in conversation. Political orations are misunderstood. Nations bicker over misunderstandings. The main reason for all this is lack of clarity. Most people don't say what they mean, nor do they mean what they say. Speech number two brought to focus the purpose and sincerity you should have; now concentrate on making that purpose clear. MAKE THE TRUTH PLAIN!
When you have selected the topic you are going to speak on, ask yourself the following questions about it: what, why and who. . . . and then answer these questions about your subject so clearly that the dullest person in your audience will comprehend without a shadow of a doubt.
When the speaker does not even understand his topic how in the world can the "dullest" person in the room comprehend it?
"They say" is the most common authority quoted. In this speech you must gather source material, learn to get to the core of the matter, to summarize, to find the crux of the question at hand, to learn to quote substantial authority to back up the statements you make.
MAKE THE FACTS LIVE! Don't just give a dry, statistic-filled speech showing off your knowledge to the third figure after the decimal. The truth can be not only plain but vital and living. FIRST, BE SURE YOU GET TRUE FACTS! Secondly, arrange the facts in such an order that they have real meaning. Thirdly, give the facts character and make them interesting.
Speech 9
Webster says "instruct" means: "to impart knowledge to--especially METHODICALLY-to teach, to inform, to furnish with direction." Educate, teach, describe, inculcate-but be sure to make it plain and Simple, EASY TO UNDERSTAND!
Bring out detail in logically organized continuity. Give complete understanding to your audience of the subject you choose. Present your subject so clearly that your hearers will be able to instruct others in the same subject.
Worldly men go to great lengths to show off their intelligence. When a doctor, a professor, a Ph.D. lectures or writes he usually uses larage cumbersome words that hide the meaning-make you think he knows more than he does. You must make every effort to make your point as plain in the mind of your listener n~ it i~ in your mind.
LOL! HWA nailed Bob's ass with this one. Bob tacks on the Ph.D. after his name as if has a Ph.D. in theology. It's all smoke and mirrors. He has no such thing, but only took classes as Fuller, Ambassador, and enrolled in an unaccredited Indian diploma mill from India. Gavin Rumney went into great detail about Bob's so-called diploma.
Make "simplicity" your guide-word! Ask yourself
Conccrning each point: ls this point necessary? Is it in the right order? Will everyone understand this? Is there a simpler way to say it? Is it PLAIN-TRUTH PLAIN?
Then there is this on evaluating speeches:
Put down the word, INTRODUCT/ON: as the speaker launches into his talk, choose a word or two which will describe the way he gave his introduction. Did it arouse attention and interest? Was it too long, misleading, apologetic; or enthusiastic, striking, and interest-catching'! Next put down: SPECIFIC PURPOSE STATEMENT: was it purposeful and clear, giving a good idea of what the speaker was going to talk about; or was it misleading and inappropriate or perhaps missing entirely? Put down the word, BODY: were the main points clearly defined, properly emphasised and logically developed; or vague and misapplied, lacking supporting material and authoritative, substantiating proof? If audio or visual aids were used, were they effectively employed or distracting? Was the transition from one point to the next clear and easy to follow, organized and logical; or was each point given as a disjointed segment or a disorganized whole? Write down, CONCLUSION: did the whole speech lead to a logical conclusion? Was there a summary of the main points, an appeal to action, a climax, reemphasizing and demanding action on the main purpose; or was the end left hanging as an unanswered question in the mind of the audience? Did he leave any questions he posed in the introduction or specific purpose statement section of his speech unanswered or ineffectively answered? Did he just peter out because of a lack of information, or the lack of a planned conclusion-or worse yet, did he transgress the buzzer and go overtime?
Note the following aspects which cover the main portions of any speech. Your speaker's key problem may lie in one of these. You may not necessarily have to make a comment on each: Platform-Eye contact- Posture-Gestures-Movements-Voice-Grammar- EFECT ON THE AUDIENCE-Power-Sincerity.
Bob has failed every aspect on how to deliver a speech, both with COG standards and Toastmasters standards.
Herbert Armstrong would have failed Bob in Spokesman Club. Herbert Armstrong would have immediately kicked Bob out for insubordination. Herbert Armstrong would have disfellowshipped and publicly marked Bob for starting his own church. Bob is no more a real Church of God than the Church of Satan is.
Bob cannot teach/preach What and Whom he does not know. Spokesman's Club could have improved his public speaking some, but it still wouldn't have helped the other problem.
ReplyDeleteIf Bob was a born again believer, no matter how well or poorly his speaking ability was, he would have members galore. He would be able to speak from his heart about any given Biblical topic and win people to the cause of Christ. He would wear his heart for the Lord on his sleeve and people would want to have what he has, because it is glorious and infectious. I think it was Tozier who said "What comes to mind when you think about God says everything about you". If Bob truly belonged to Jesus, his stammering, ADD, and flapping hands would not turn people off, as they do now. Nobody would care about those things if they heard all about Jesus and what He did for us. They would come back, week in and week out, hungry and thirsty for more. But Bob only gets like that when speaking about himself, not Jesus.
And illiesm they name is Bob. And Dave.
We don't need some stinking "one man." There comes a time when people, including Christians, need to "leave home" and become independent. It's why God has on occasion struck the Shepherds, allowing Christians to become scattered. It's why Christ stuck around for 40 days after His death, and not 40 years or 400 years.
ReplyDeleteThere's comes a time when the "one man" becomes a regression force on Christians lives.
We don't need some stinking "one man." There comes a time when people, including Christians, need to "leave home" and become independent. It's why God has on occasion struck the Shepherds, allowing Christians to become scattered. It's why Christ stuck around for 40 days after His death, and not 40 years or 400 years.
ReplyDeleteThere's comes a time when the "one man" becomes a regression force on Christians lives.
It's like Charles Bronson told Paul Koslow in "Mr. Majestyk".
ReplyDelete"Son, you're in the wrong profession".
If Bob Thiel were in the right profession, or if God were validating him either as a prophet, or as the one man through whom He is working, the numbers would be there, he would be gifted with more personality and polish, and he wouldn't have to whine about nobody accepting him in that role. Banned and all of us who contribute would have been destroyed because we would have been fighting God all these years.
Thiel missed his calling!
ReplyDeleteHe should have been a telemarketer selling phony investments like what happened in the movie "The Wolf of Wall Street".
Does bouncing Bob make his fake African congregants listen to these terrible sermons. He would never been allowed to speak in WCG.
ReplyDeleteTruly, Truly I say unto you...Robert Thiel is the worst speaker in CoGdom. Behold, "in all thine African controversies, I know not who is who, who said what about what to who and whose team is who on to begin with."
ReplyDeleteTruly, Truly I say unto you...Robert Thiel is the worst speaker in CoGdom. Behold, "in all thine African controversies, I know not who is who, who said what about what to who and whose team is who on to begin with."
ReplyDeleteHopefully more and more people will leave Bob's pathetically small wannabe COG. He has been the laughing stock for years no sound minded person would ever join him. The few sane ones that did join him left after they were forced to see that lil Bobby pretend prophet/doctor would not listen because he needs his thousands and thousands of fake pretend members in Africa so he can boast on COGWriter.com that he alone is the leader of the largest COG in history. HWA would have kicked him out of the church a long time ago for being such a weak pathetic excuse of a man let alone would never have ordained him. No minister under HWA would ordain him so, what did Bobby do? he had a dream that he was a prophet ordained an evangelist himself than paid that same evangelist to ordain Bobby. Continuing Church of God will be remembered for being the most laughable Church of God in History. We can't even call Bob Thiel Dangerous like we can Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry because he doesnt have any real members.
ReplyDeleteDr.Thiel has a mental block regarding "conspiracy theories". I saw this when I told him about evil Jewish deeds. He just can't absorb that and cries "anti-semitic". I think that flaw is coming back on him.
ReplyDeleteMind you it's a common problem in the world now. Maybe it is an occult "spell" cast through Satan. Maybe a test for you too.
I've heard worst NO2HWA.
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