What Now?
Pastor General David C. Pack experienced another bitter lesson on Wednesday. Making noises with your mouth does not equate to fulfilling Bible prophecy.
Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God did not arrive on April 12 at 12:05 PM ET. The trees may be blooming in Wadsworth on this Sabbath morning, but The Restored Church of God is not.
To the casual observer, this latest embarrassment could be viewed as just another Dave Pack failure. But this was much bigger than that. What crumbled as the sun set on Wednesday was months of toil pointing to an Abib fulfillment. April 1, 5, and 7 were expendable. Those were only manifestations of Dave’s god getting elbow room for the main event: Abib 21, the Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread.
Abib 1 became the focus after a botched Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year’s “in the midst of the years” debacle starting in Part 414 on January 14, 2023. It later moved to Iyar 1, but then settled to Abib 21. Abib has been the cornerstone of Dave’s musings for months.
After Wednesday’s failure, members of The Restored Church of God must throw out a lot of “knowledge.” Think of this as a Mount Everest of undeniable facts. Enjoy chewing on this Stone-Cold Math.
21 Parts across 88 days. 33 hours and 47 minutes.
All wasted effort as of April 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
Those who appropriately ignored Dave’s messages will not need their prophetic framework to be deprogrammed. Those who aptly refused to take notes need not worry about purging those pages from their journal.
The only sounds heard from Headquarters for the past 3 ½ days are the crickets. Insects have more wisdom than David C. Pack. They are not so filled with pompous vanity that they think if they rub their legs together a few days in a row, that will make prophecy in Habakkuk 2:3 and Revelation 10:7 happen.
The silence coming from RCG is because David C. Pack has to start from scratch. His Hail Mary of relocating the Last Great Day to the Days of Unleavened Bread to make the First Kingdom one year fumbled in the endzone. Never give Dave the ball.
The seventh “days of Dave’s voice” was posted on Tuesday before his personal nightmare began. Nothing as of yet has followed after this, so this stands as the last communiqué of Pastor General David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God.
Prophecy Update #4 – Tuesday, April 11, 2023
Greetings brethren! If you have not heard Part 434 given yesterday, listen as soon as possible before reading this announcement!
A big understanding has come clear. The picture is better than we believed. Not only will all saints be here, but the presence of 100B+ people at the Kingdom of God demands a New Heavens and New Earth! This finally became obvious. In fact, logistics alone require something “new,” but that is far from the only proof. Here are a few points to consider:
• No one could assert, “all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” in II Pet. 3:4 during Christ’s Kingdom. Just think of the complete overhaul of society, infrastructure and the instantaneous population increase! The New Heavens and New Earth come as a thief in the night, catching these scoffers completely by surprise. They could not be scoffing about the Kingdom of God from within it. (But it does present a question as to what triggered such scoffing before the Kingdom of God.) Verses 15-16 shows Paul also spoke about this day in all his epistles.
• Heb. 1:10-2:5 is a perfect example. Paul described the heavens folding up as a garment in context of escaping! Also think of I Thes. 1:10, 2:19, 3:13 and 5:23 just in this one.
• Luke 21:33-36 further confirms this! “That day” when the New Heavens and New Earth arrive (these two terms are tied all three times in the Olivet prophecy) is referred to as coming like a “snare” when many stand before Christ and escape. (Of course many, many more points could be included.)
• If all complete saints are here—including Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Samuel, David and so many others—key administrative roles can be much more easily filled.
The arrival of one year for the first mustard seed measure of the Kingdom of God has forced a renaissance of thinking in ways that continue to be wonderful. But another lingering question is whether the Kingdom of God could arrive without an announcement, and is there “something” before it is here?—some kind of “swift witness” (Mal. 3:5) or “short (speedy, concise) word” (Rom. 9:28) by Elijah first? A yet further question is exactly how do the last go first? I believe I know the answer to these questions, but I don’t wish to say more until I am certain of what it would be. I do know enough to say this: Do not be surprised if nothing happens tonight. I may or may not give a brief message tomorrow.
In the meantime, be prepared to guard the rest of Abib.
David C. Pack
(* Jim and Andy, please invest in Grammarly. It hates your postings.)
Dave always has his verbal architects draw him a trapdoor for a quick escape, no matter how wildly he waves his arms. The "guard Abib" comment is a way of dragging out the expectations of the brethren for one more week without having to create new content.
The end of Abib/Nisan and the beginning of Iyar is at sunset on Friday, April 21, at 8:12 PM ET. Even though Dave already walked away from this, if I were his lawyer, I would argue that his Death Wish Self-Curse does not officially begin until then, so anything before then would be premature.
Part 423 – February 25, 2023
@ 29:41 So, I wanna state one last time, unequivocally, and I’ll just absolutely die on this ground. This is the hill I die on. It is impossible that Abib does not close with the Day of the Lord. Impossible. It’s unbiblical.
A lot was riding on Abib 21.
Part 426 – March 4, 2023
@ 42:23 I know that the way has been prepared, and we all understand, and if we had to wait ten years, or until I died, no one will ever tell me we don’t have this exactly right.
Tempting God is a warning for us little people and Jesus Christ, but not for Some Great One David Passed Over. And you thought Daredevil was the man without fear.
“The picture is better than we believed.”
It is always better after he is done talking and after nothing happens.
If Dave speaks today, that will be part of the spin. There is one week remaining in Abib. RCG is still on track and on time. All is well. In fact, the picture is more perfect, the math fits better, and the Super Metrics are even more super duper.
Initiate a solitary slow clap if Dave has an entire message prepared.
The indicator of how at a loss Dave is will be determined when he sends Meat Puppet or Meat Shield to the lectern to stammer their way through Stupid Comments to pacify the pitchfork holders. The next rank of disaster would be if Bradford Schleifer had to say something. If that happens, look for emergency exits because the third floor is on fire.
The Green Envelope numbers should have rolled in from the field, determining how "blessed" the brethren felt during the Days of Unleavened Bread. Dave was spotted pacing the front gate this week, waiting for FedEx to drop off the overnight envelopes.
If someone in CAD or BAO wants to “accidentally” forward me the offering numbers, your anonymity will be assured. Even a percentage compared to last year would be extremely helpful. Also, please Whoopsie Daisy the current attendance numbers while you are at it because people keep asking me.
“The Greatest Untold Story!” Series is private interpretation run amok. The unbridled hubris of David C. Pack fuels the lie that he is an apostle prophesying the Mystery of God. Wednesday proved his god had forsaken him, leaving him to drown in the sea of his own delusion.
As far as I can see, it appears to be that what is impossibly inarguable is almost certainly probable, if not likely, as I have suspicioned for years, and the men around me all agree.
So, what now?
Until that first person stands up in the Main Hall and walks out while he is speaking, things will continue in The Restored Church of God as they have. If the hirelings continue to enable, and the brethren continue to attend, and the money keeps rolling in…why stop? The prophecy machine is purring like a kitten.
Apostolic Narcissist King David Passed Over has a learning disability further complicated by a host of mental illnesses. It means he will not learn his lesson but is doomed to repeat this into the vanishing point. And the brethren agree to be taken on the ride.
This is just how things are in The Restored Church of God.
Marc Cebrian
See: What Now?
To say this man is biblically illiterate would be woefully inadequate. How he reads the verses cited in Hebrews 1:10-2:5 in the "thrilling prophecy update", to be a yet future fulfillment is beyond me. It is simply a statement of fact. God made everything and sustains it all and His nature is unchanging. It is not a prophecy as yet unfulfilled. Hebrews is, at its' core, a Book of compare and contrast, i.e., Jesus' Priesthood is better.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, and this one really, really drives me up the wall..God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit ARE NOT IBM. God is not Amazon. Life is not one big, long job interview. He writes, "key administrative roles can be much more easily filled with Moses, Elijiah, Daniel, David and Samuel here". If I recall correctly, Gerald Waterhouse had Moses hooked up as Secretary of State and Abraham as Secretary of Agriculture or some such nonsense. That is not how this works! That is not how any of this works!!
Dave's cheese has finally slipped off his cracker and a home of the therapeutic variety beckons!
We know that lies and conspiracy theories generate huge war chests for politicians. In fact, it is surprising how quickly their gullible followers will cut loose with their money.
ReplyDeleteExtrapolating from that situation, we would expect that every time Dave utters a false prophecy, and continues to double down, that offerings would come pouring in. Is that what actually happens, and could that be the continued motivation for all of the lies? If the dude is truly crazy like a fox, perhaps that would explain his total lack of embarrassment. Too busy laughing his way to the bank?
If there is no tangible result to all of his failures, it would be a total waste. If the lies were in the category of prostituting himself for the income, perhaps we could understand the craziness.
In the Wonderful World Tomorrow, Dave Pack is going to be on the janitorial crew cleaning up after himself.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that when Dave utters a false prophecy, and continues to double down, that offerings come pouring in. There has to be a pool of wealth for this to happen. I doubt if his followers have the resources left to give him more.
ReplyDeleteThe members there may not have anything left to hand over to Mr Greedy Himself. But there’s always new members that will fall for Dave’s scam..
DeleteAnd the worst thing is, that longtime members will help lure them in. Telling them “how wonderful the church is”, and “how nice everyone is”. Forgetting to mention that they don’t have any money left
I wonder Anon @ 1:53, who is prostituting whom? Dave sells his "teachings and prophetic brilliance" to the members and they sell him time and space in their heads. Sounds like the hooker and the johns are equally addicted to the lunacy that passes for bible study/prophecy. What it has to do with Christianity is still my main question.
ReplyDeletePart 435 is at 6:30 PM ET tonight. Derp.
ReplyDeleteMarc,
DeleteDo you know how many members are left? Is it 1.000? More? Or even less?
You're probably correct in that, 3:22. I really don't believe that Dave will die on that hill, either. At some point, his followers will not be able to continue to prop him up, and he'll end up in an assisted care facility, where babbling senseless inanities is considered to be normal, and the staff will know how to deal with it.
ReplyDeleteHWA's influence really did a number on him, and it is probably driving him crazy that none of the prophecy mold is coming to pass, even with Dave deciding that the temple does not need to be built, and no red heifer is necessary. The man has completely remodeled the return of Jesus Christ so that none of HWA's old timers would even recognize it. But, then again, HWA himself pretty much exemplified anthropomorphism, creating his own end times construct, collecting the most toys, and dying as the winner as he left a horrible mess behind. There are those who have preserved the construct so much more accurately than Dave, and they're not having any better luck with it than the more obvious kooks. Even William Miller's followers eventually taught that it was all a spiritual thing which was mysteriously fulfilled in Heaven.
It's one thing to connect the dots a certain way, and actually there would be nothing wrong with that if the people who did it used the same disclaimer as the newspapers do below a psychic's column, about the information above being intended for entertainment only. But they don't! They teach it as revealed truth and use it to manipulate peoples' wealth and behavior. A pox on their houses, every one of them!
STRONG DELUSION by the FALSE PROPHETS
ReplyDeleteThe Restored Church of Pack was the second-worst Bait & Switch scam ever to hit Worldwide Church of God people, next only to the PCG's Bait & Switch scam. RCG people were promised Herbert W. Armstrong's old teachings, but then got David Pack's new whoppers instead. And they really were giant WHOPPERS! Rather than getting the “responsible understanding” that they had been told they would get, the RCG people got the “reckless speculation” that they had been told they would not get.
Philadelphia Church of Flurry people were also promised Herbert W. Armstrong's old teachings, but then got Gerald Flurry's new whoppers instead. And they really were giant WHOPPERS! Rather than listening to everything that Jesus (the real prophet foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18-19) said, PCG people got fooled into listening to an arrogant runt who falsely claimed to be “That Prophet.”
All the time, effort, and money of the people in the PCG and the RCG got worse-than-wasted doing the exact diametrical opposite of what they thought they had gone to the PCG and the RCG to do. Instead of being the most informed people around, they became the most deluded and messed-up people around.
The FALSE PROPHETS and other WRONG GUESSERS
ReplyDeleteThe evil, wicked, mean, and nasty false prophets who were personally sent by Satan himself/herself/itself AGAINST the Worldwide Church of God people:
Gerald R. Flurry (The plagiarizer of Jules Dervaes' Letter to Laodicea writings to make his own little Malachi's Mess. book that he then said was delivered by a mighty angel and is the little book mentioned in Revelation, fake follower of HWA, editor and changer of HWA's old writings including Mystery of the Ages, gospel suppressor with a “new commission” to rage away against those who won't help him to suppress the gospel, “That Prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 identity thief, self-worshipper with literally dozens of fancy names that he gave himself, family wrecker with a “No Contact” policy, and owner of a jet airplane to go to Irish dancing shows.)
David C. Pack (The doctrinally unstable Bait & Switch scammer and “common” thief with a new, wrong, prophetic date guess each week.)
The self-appointed false prophets who sent themselves AGAINST the Worldwide Church of God people, urged on by laughing demons:
Ronald E. Weinland (The prophetic fantasy fiction writing ex-con who likes to travel and dine out at other people's expense.)
Robert J. Thiel (The mentally challenged guy who looks to demons, pagans, and television news for prophetic trivia, and gets scammed by his fake followers in Africa.)
The prediction addicted old fools who cannot predict or guess correctly, but somehow cannot stop doing it anyway:
Alton B. “Don” Billingsley (The “old fool,” who brought very bad luck [death in a car accident] to HWA's firstborn son Richard David Armstrong in 1958, said that God had revealed to him that Hillary Clinton was going to win the 2016 presidential election. When that did not happen, he came up with a theory about Donald Trump rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem and then getting assassinated or somehow removed so that Hillary could get in.)
Norbert Link (The “lawyer” who started his own religious gig. Teutonic arrogance at its finest. Dogmatically stated stuff with such certainty, such as that Donald Trump would win his second election so he could rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and then just apologized when he was wrong.)
Why do people keep going? They must think it is God's church, that there are no better places to go, and that they don't have the authority to break away. It does not mean they believe what Dave says.
ReplyDeleteThe DISASTER of Following Dave Pack
ReplyDeleteAt the start, Dave Pack told his followers what was wrong with all the other splinter groups so that they would not go to them. Dave's victims slowly find out for themselves over time what is wrong with Dave and his own RCG splinter group.
Dave Pack's followers initially thought that the RCG was the best place to go, but over time it changed and turned out to have been one of the worst places to go.
Once people get talked into believing that the RCG is God's one and only true church, Dave Pack is then free to go wild lying to them and plundering them.
After people have gone all-in with the “common” doctrine and given everything they have to Dave Pack to try to buy their salvation, they feel that they cannot just walk away from it all.
Instead of fearing God and what He actually said, people get conned into fearing the lying, thieving perverts like Dave Pack who come in God's name to lie, steal, destroy, and kill.
Ah, but did you smell the night blooming Jasmine???
ReplyDeleteMore like the odor of mendacity!
DeleteHow to recognize toxic friends and false friends. Dave Pack is not your friend.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAt-dt3TgQs
12:43, In the videos, Marc has published some remarks of Dave's which could be interpreted as death wishes. Often, as goes the leader, so goes the flock. Based on the grim items you listed above, do you think that some or all of the RCG members just simply wish they were dead? It would not at all be unusual, because it seems as if they are trapped.
ReplyDeleteIt’s not so much a death wish. It’s a wish to get the Big Prize that Pack keeps promising them (providing the members jump through all the hoops). For the members their life is useless. Pack keeps telling them that: the only goal in this life is “to be a true church member”, handing in everything they own and asking no questions. So they sit it out and wait. And wait.. And wait..
DeleteThey’ve invested everything they had, making it almost impossible to leave the madhouse the RCG is. They invested too much; they want the Prize.
Dave needs to pay more attention to the real news and less to his own speculations.
ReplyDeleteFormer Israeli PM Ehud Barak Admits Israel Has Nukes: In a now-deleted tweet, Barak said the West fears Netanyahu's judicial overhaul could create a 'messianic dictatorship' with nukes.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/04/04/former-israeli-pm-ehud-barak-admits-israel-has-nukes/
“The trees may be blooming in Wadsworth on this Sabbath morning, but The Restored Church of God is not.”
ReplyDeleteDavid Pack is blooming. A blooming idiot.
When all else fails, return to the cooking show, after all, everyone needs to eat. I guess that prophesy thing didn't go so well davey boy. We are looking forward to the new and improved dave. Love the moniker dave, Mr. Food.
ReplyDelete“The trees may be blooming in Wadsworth on this Sabbath morning, but The Restored Church of God is not.”
ReplyDeleteDavid Pack is blooming. A blooming idiot.