Amen, Bro!
Back in 2017, we reported how Ron Harmon had a meltdown over the use of the word "amen" and disassociated himself from the House of God group. (see: More Upheaval In the COG: Pastor Resigns Over Use of "Amen" at End of Prayers). Harmon had a fit because he says the word "amen" means you are asking the sun god "Aman-Ra" from ancient Egypt to bless your prayer.
We ran another article in 2020 where this idiocy was brought up again, this time claiming the use of amen has Egyptian roots, again rooted in the deity Amun. (see: Saying Amen is Wrong? Missing the point all together.)
Never fear though if you do have concerns, Since the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel has to weigh in on EVERY jot and tittle he has thus declared saying amen is perfectly ok!
The Great One says:
While some may say that saying Amen sounds too much like Amon (or that the sun-god’s name is also sometimes pronounced as A-men), we do not stop using words just because they have a similar sound in English as pagan deities.For an example, one of the main Egyptian deities was Ra. People from certain parts of the USA pronounce the English word “raw” as “rah.” When one is speaking about something that is raw, one is not invoking a pagan deity. Ending prayers with Amen is also not invoking a pagan deity.Interestingly, after I wrote all of that for the prayer booklet, my family and I actually visited an Egyptian museum in Northern California last month. And there, I was also able to confirm that the way we say ‘Amen’ is not the way that the Egyptian god is addressed. Those who claim otherwise apparently have not looked at this in sufficient detail and/or have dismissed Hebrew and Greek scriptures.It is appropriate to end prayers with Amen.
So let it be written, so let it be done!
When all of this stupidity was coming out, a person on Facebook said this:
Thought this was funny. What if we said Amen all those times heartening back to the “pagan” god of Amun in a church SO careful not to do anything even remotely of such origins??! I grew up in South Texas and we took a church youth field trip to a museum where we learned that tortillas were originally round in worship of the Sun god in Aztec culture. No ministers stopped chowing down on tacos. 🌮 Tacos continued to show up at every potluck and church picnic where I was from!! My point I guess is that the true roots of a lot of things are convoluted. Many hands have touched, for instance, what a cross means. It’s a very common symbol I’ve see engraved and sculpted by many cultures as I’ve had the opportunity to travel the world. Mrs. Armstrong saw what she thought were Easter eggs engraved in the walls in Egypt and HWA declared them pagan because something that looked like them decorated Ancient Egyptian ruins - I’ve seen those same engravings when I travelled there. Tour guides of multiple cultures have given me so many explanations for the meaning of the exact same symbol. The WCG/COGs not only are hypocritical in this, but they miss the point all together. I think things, symbols, and words hold the meaning we give them. Facebook
Armstrongism truly is stupid. It's a comedy that no sane person could ever dream up.
ReplyDeleteBob is slipping into lukewarmness. If he ever attended an American football game, he would see for himself the blasphemous paganism practiced by many spectators, who shout their obeisance to an Egyptian pagan deity whenever they cheer "Ra! Ra! Ra!"
ReplyDeleteI do not need Bob's approval or his Holiness to weigh in on stupid things he has no business discussing. I particularly do not need his asinine biblical interpretations either.
ReplyDeleteCannot there be more than one prophet (you Bob), at the end of the age, Bob?
ReplyDeleteIf saying "Amen" is wrong, why does the KJV have THE WORD 71 times? TWICE at the end of three Psalms?
ReplyDeleteHow did the Israelites say it 12 times in Deuteronomy 27 - yet were allowed to go forward into the Promised Land?
Proof again that Dr. Thiel pays close attention to this blog. Because otherwise, would anyone care?
Wedding rings and the wedding cake has pagan roots. Why not ban them as well?
ReplyDeleteYou could also say, "HUAH" as we did in the military. It means, I HEARD, I UNDERSTAND and I ACCEPT. Same as Amen.
ReplyDeleteAnon 3:21:00 PM PDT
ReplyDeleteWedding rings and the wedding cake has pagan roots. Why not ban them as well?
Oh yes, and Irish and Scottish dancing.
Watched recently a travel documentary series about Scotland. Fascinating and eye opening.
Especially about the origins of their dancing. It was a vehicle for training up their men for war, conditioning and strengthening, and it had bloody intentions at its core.
That aside, I do enjoy the dancing, Irish, Scottish either way.
Amen to that I say.
Although the Flurry pcog may disagree lol.
This is one of the silliest things I remember from WCG days. There was one dude in the congregation who, only fixating on the English spelling of the word and not the actual Egyptian phonetics, was on about this very same thing. I've even seen the same claim in some subpar books. It's nonsense bandied around by very bored people who need something to cry about.
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens when the founder of your religion has used cognates (or as the French say, "mots apparente") to prove derivation, association, or heritage! One of the most egregious examples of HWA doing this was when he proved himself to be cool before his time by applying the principles of Ebonics to a couple of different languages and morphed "Isaac's Sons" into 'saac's sons, and then to Saxons! Mind-boggling!
ReplyDeleteBut alas, you were only supposed to do ridiculous things such as this to the words which Herbie had approved! Naughty bad dumb sheep, you! You're not supposed to go back and study the names of ancient pagan gods and then forbid the use of words they sound like today, especially holy words like "Amen!"
Not many wise men are called (to Armstrongism).
BB
If you express frustration or want someone to leave your presence and say "shu!", you are apparently worshipping the Egyptian god Shu?
DeleteI'd better not even ask about the Egyptian goddess Nut!
DeleteIt's okay to say Amen if you pray to the Egyptian god Amen, which is where that and some other Bible practices come from.
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ReplyDeleteHWA doing this was when he proved himself to be cool before his time by applying the principles of Ebonics to a couple of different languages and morphed "Isaac's Sons" into 'saac's sons, and then to Saxons! Mind-boggling>>
David Baron the Hebrew scholar and rabbi who converted to be a Christian wrote a most informative small book titled ‘History of the Tribes of Israel,’ 1915.
In one part he commented on use of words by the Anglo Israel theory :
"This suggestion of the word 'British' being derived from the two words Brith and ish deserves no other characterization than childish."
He also commented that the Anglo Israel idea that the Hebrew term Isaac's son and Saxon are synonymous is ignorant of the Hebrew. Isaac in Hebrew he explained is Yitshok, and son is ben. Isaac's son is Ben Yitshok
- both of these points are contrary to Armstrong’s claims which is not surprising he was not a Hebrew scholar, but was merely recycling things he had read and copied.
How would we know if these Egyptian gods were even pagan? We know that because of the sons of Ishmael, Allah the God of the Abrahamic faith Islam is actually Yahweh the God of the Abrahamic faiths Judaism and Christianity. There was also much interaction amongst the Egyptians and Israel, and later the Christians.
ReplyDeleteI know one thing for sure. Every time I've ever finished a prayer to God with "Amen!", I have never once thought of anything pagan! But, hey! Thank God that fanatical people are no longer able to listen to CDs and MP3 files backwards to hear supposedly Satanic messages. I sure would hate to live in such fanatical fear! There is probably some happy dyslexic fanatic out there who conjures up the image of a doG every time he meditates upon God. And if he does, he probably blames it on Pfizer!!!
BB
The apostle Paul resolved to preach nothing but Christ and Him crucified. Meanwhile, Bob Thiel et al are preaching nothing but tithing on the mint, anise and cummin.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how one ends a prayer, it will pretty much prove ineffective for even having uttered it in the first place.
ReplyDeleteCan I get an amen?
Is it true that there is a feminist fundamentalist group that teaches ending prayers with "Awomen" ???
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