Dave Pack The Compassionate One: Whiny COG Members Letters Are Time Consuming and Unending To Deal With

Dave is getting really sick of listening to whiny COG members.

Zechariah 11:9: “Then said I [God], I will not feed you [those who did not act]: that that dies, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.”

This verse describes three categories of those who will not return to God’s Church when given the final opportunity. Understand. Not everyone will choose to obey God. Many will not come back—take time to read Luke 14 carefully. A group that God no longer calls “the flock,” but simply “you,” will in some cases (1) “die” of themselves and in other cases (2) be “cut off” (the same Hebrew word found in verse 8). There may be more ministers who face God’s wrath if they begin to buy and sell God’s sheep again.

Finally, (3) are those who attack and devour (“eat”) each other, probably fighting over remaining scraps. Chaos and increased division may ensue, with those who refuse to obey God fracturing and dissipating entirely. The era of scores and hundreds of WCG offshoot groups will end. Announcement #16 showed how for years the many competing “Church of God” groups have only served to confuse brethren, but also those in the world, about where God is working. We receive many emails that demonstrate the sad, divided condition of God’s people (and the world’s view of the Church) after the apostasy. Such emails are terribly time consuming (and unending) to deal with. Haggai’s prophecy plainly reveals the competition—the confusing, opposing works being done in other “houses”—will be forcibly STOPPED. In fact they must be for God’s Work to be properly carried out and finished! Mercifully, this will happen SOON! ALL SUCH COMPETITION TO GOD’S WORK WILL CEASE! (Next week I will give six biblical proofs of this.) The next verse explains why this will happen—because there will be no one—NOT ONE!—with God’s Spirit remaining outside His Church.

Dave Pack: Are You Titillated By The Upcoming Deaths of Three COG Leaders?

Dave wants to point out that it is not his job to tell you the day and hour of these three leaders deaths.  He does however say that it is his job to wake you up and make you listen!

If this relatively small aspect of the prophecy (just nine words) intrigues, titillates or is the subject of fascination to you above all of this powerful biblical knowledge (hundreds of whole verses), then your thinking is WRONG. The death of three shepherds is basically a footnote in God’s GRAND and AWESOME plan to retrieve His flock and put them to work in the greatest Work God has ever done on the face of the earth. THAT should be your focus—and this begins with CONSIDERING YOUR WAYS when God’s “attention-getter” comes to pass.

It is not my purpose to tell you who the three shepherds are, what day they will be removed or how they die. God will supply answers to those questions soon enough. Frankly, such questions are not nearly as big as other questions. It is my job to explain what Zechariah 11 MEANS and how it will affect YOU in your life and why YOU had better listen when God gets His people’s attention. It will take all of these actions for most to finally ACT.

Dave Pack: Should You Mourn The Three Dead COG Leaders?

Dave Pack, the ever compassionate and merciful one, thinks you should not mourn for the three dead COG leaders next month. Many, many more laodicean COG members will die soon after, so why mourn for them?

Sadly, loss of life—in this case of wolves, but this would be true of any deaths—becomes a topic of sensation. But should it be? Think! God’s purpose before the age is complete will bring vastly more deaths than three. Consider. ALL Laodiceans—every one of them—will die (horribly) in the Great Tribulation, and these are all converted people (not wolves). Next, the four horsemen of Revelation 6 will take one-quarter of all mankind (vs. 8). Still further, many millions of the modern descendants of Israel will lose their lives, with the “lucky ones” entering captivity. Then there is the Day of the Lord—and the armies that Christ destroys coming from Armageddon. At the beginning of the Millennium, there will even be plagues and droughts on nations who will not keep the Feast of Tabernacles (Zech. 14:16-19)—and at the end of the Millennium sudden destruction will fall on the masses who rebel (called Gog and Magog) and attack God’s people in Jerusalem (Rev. 20:8).

Dave Pack: Church of God Members Have 24 Days To Make Up Their Minds

Be forewarned COG leaders, Dave's god is sooooooooo ticked off that he may kill you BEFORE August 31, 2013  It could happen at any time! 

All I can say is,  PLEASE...........DO NOT....have a heart attack or die from old age before August 31.  If you do, Davey will claim his god did you in and gloat at your death.

Some will ask: WHEN exactly will Christ remove the three men? Starting with the fact that Christ is a shepherd, we might ask: How long would a shepherd tolerate wolves who are threatening His flock when He holds the power to address them? It will certainly not be on the last day of His purpose, but rather some time likely well before that date. The following should help. The remnant is not listening. Christ knows this—and why. He can change it. How long would He wait? Each day lost with the remnant not hearing Him is a day less for them to recover. There are only 24 days total for the people to act. The same is true with Christ organizing their move and a complex merger. There are only 24 days total for the people to act. Yet again, the same is true with ministers who may be battling other wolves in their organizations as they strive to save sheep—and to establish themselves as faithful ministers before God. There are only 24 days total for these ministers to act. We will see how long Christ waits.

Dramatic supernatural intervention is necessary for God to regather His flock—a flock trapped under a constant barrage of lies and deceit. But this prophecy should not be surprising. God’s people have long understood that God is going to soon miraculously intervene with the whole world. Before the Millennium, God is going to bind the devil and destroy the Beast and False Prophet. Yet again, three individuals will have to be removed miraculously at the same time (Rev. 19:19 through 20:1) for Jesus Christ to rule the world with the saints. Whether it is the three men of Ezra’s time, the three of Nehemiah’s time or the three that Christ must remove before the Millennium, these “trios” have all blocked God’s purpose in their time (the devil of course across all time).

Dave Pack: Jesus Will Actively Start Shepherding His Flock on August 6/7, 2013

I guess the wimpy dude has not been taking care of his flock for the last couple thousand years, but now will decide to return rather pissed off.

Jesus Christ is a shepherd. He is about to again actively shepherd His flock—on Elul 1 (August 6/7). What should He now be expected to do to wolves now in His path? What would any good shepherd do when he sees wolves close by—in this case among and over—his flock? Remove them! II Peter 2 describes “swift destruction” falling on certain false teachers. At a point, their “judgment” no longer “lingers” and their “damnation” no longer “slumbers.” We have almost reached this time.

Dave Pack: The Three Will Be Cut Off, Concealed, Hidden and Made Desolate

Dave said many weeks ago that three COG leaders would all be killed buy God on August 31, 2013.  Now he seems to temper that remark by saying they can be hidden, made desolate or concealed.  If death does not happen he will claims God has hidden them from the truth.

Zechariah 11:8: “Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and My soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred Me.”

Now the second culminating event. We saw the “shepherds” throughout Zechariah cannot be religious leaders overseeing congregations (flocks) in the world. Otherwise, which “three” ministers would it be referencing? We could never know. And what would the removal of ANY three worldly ministers, occurring in ANY particular month, ever have to do with God being able to feed a flock that was being slaughtered? Remember, we saw this flock is His flock. No matter how influential any three worldly ministers were, their removal from power would not affect GOD’S PEOPLE. Protestant ministers and Catholic priests are not deceiving God’s people. Do you know a single person who thinks they are?

An overview of key phrases provides clues. Verse 8 describes men whom God loathes and who also abhor Him—even though we saw they say “Blessed be the Lord.” Loathed can also mean “to dock off, curtail…especially to harvest…cut down…lothe, reap (-er), (be, wax) short (-en, -er)…” Abhorred means “to loathe…abhor, get hastily.” The phrase “one month” is easily understood by just recalling Haggai, which describes events taking place in the sixth month—in time for God’s people to keep the Feast of Tabernacles together in the seventh month. “Cut off” can also be translated “to destroy: conceal, cut down (off), desolate, hide.” The meaning is obvious.

Dave Pack: Talks About His "...false “Works” palmed off as God’s Work"

Dave talks about himself again.  Is he really to stupid to understand what he writes? Dave is just as corrupt as many of the other COG leaders are, even the three he has damned to death.

For decades, brethren have been deceived by leaders they assumed were carrying on with what Mr. Armstrong taught. God’s tithes have enriched these top leaders who have bought and sold God’s people between groups, as well as through one split after another carrying people away into other new groups as though they were so much merchandise to take from a store. These “shepherds” have not pitied the flock, nor are they shepherding them, although they do remember to regularly say “Bless be the Lord.” God knows that they are slaughtering these sheep with false doctrines, false “Works” palmed off as God’s Work, false governments, false traditions, open door policies that allow the world in the door, false standards and the permission of all forms of wrong behavior.

Reader Here is Sick Of The Negative Comments. Says, "Get On Your Knees And Repent!

A reader here did not like the comments about COGWA and particular was disgusted by reader comments.  You are all such bad boys and girls!  COGWA: Can It Really Deliver Life, Hope, Truth?

Charles Fisher said...

I do not know any of the men who have posted here. What I do know is they are full of hate for some reason. It is obvious by their words. Certainly they are not real Christians but in name only. Some of what they say may very well be true. They post no evidence to back them up. To post their vile words in a public forum which possibly could cause someone to reject Gods calling thru GOGWA, or any CoG, to me just proves they are not converted. HWA was just a man like we all are and subject to all the pulls of the flesh. Did he make mistakes? You bet. Will those in charge now do the same? You bet. Are you perfect? Have you done things wrong? Who are you to judge HWA or any other man? That is Gods prerogative. Many thousands were called to Gods way of life through HWA and I am one of them. I worship and follow God, not HWA or any man. Get on your knees and pray for
forgiveness...

July 27, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Dave Pack: My Damnation Truly Slumbers Not

Dave writes about what he assumes is a description of the top three CO Leaders.  What he has done is perfectly describe himself!  Dave has become personally rich off of the backs of his poor members.  He is constantly procuring new things and works overtime to attain the status he thinks he deserves.  He is getting ready to use the COG members as merchandise, to move about as he sees fit.

He is a false teacher among the brethren, bringing false heresies and he specially denies The Lord he claims to follow.

Dave's damnation truly slumbers not.

Zechariah 11:5: “Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the Lord; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.” Who are these shepherd “possessors” slaying the flock? Who are the shepherds that have become “rich” from buying and selling God’s people?

The Hebrew brings clues. Possessors can also be translated “…to procure, especially by purchase (causatively sell); by implication to own: attain, buy (-er)…get…possess (-or), purchase.” Sell in the Hebrew means “to sell, literally (as MERCHANDISE).” We already saw that “shepherds” would be ministers.

Now II Peter 2: “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who [privately] shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves SWIFT DESTRUCTION. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness [enriching themselves and their organizations] shall they with feigned words make MERCHANDISE of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not” (vs. 1-3).

Dave Pack: The Incoming Remnant Are to Obey and Fear

Ultimately it is not about Dave's members fearing God.  They are to fear him.  Given his abysmal track record of spiritual abusing members, there may be a great excuse to fear Davey.  All of this great reunification event apparently is to happen in ONE day.  Good luck with that one!  Even Davey's god can't pull that off. 

The best place to start is a simple review of a key portion in Haggai: “…ALL the remnant of the people, obeyed the voice of the Lord their God, and the words of Haggai the prophet, as the Lord their God had sent him, and the people did fear before the Lord. Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people, saying, I am with you, says the Lord. And the Lord stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel…and the spirit of Joshua…and the spirit of ALL the remnant of the people; and they came and did work in the house of the Lord [God’s Church] of hosts, their God, in the four and twentieth day of the sixth month…” (1:12-15).

The Hebrew for obeyed (shama) means “to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention): consider, diligently, discern, give ear, listen, (be) obedient, obey, perceive, regard, understand.” The context shows the remnant finally begins to hear God after decades of ignoring Him. Verse 12 describes the remnant as “fearing” God. This is not speaking primarily about the “fear of God.” Let’s see this. The Hebrew for fear means “to fear; to revere; to frighten: dread (-ful).” The word before is better translated “because of.” God does something that frightens the remnant and causes them to listen. Whatever this trauma is—you will learn it momentarily!—the people finally start listening to God. Thousands today who have God’s Spirit are NOT listening to Him. They are NOT “considering their ways” (Hag. 1:5, 7)—doctrines, standards, traditions, behavior, etc.

Haggai 1:14 also reveals the FIRST culminating event that occurs. GOD’S SPIRIT stirs His people to act, alongside a second culminating event that we will cover momentarily. The Hebrew for “stirred” in Haggai 1:14 means “(through the idea of opening the eyes); to wake: lift up, raise up, stir up.” This stirring is what causes all of God’s people to return from their “houses” to work again in GOD’S House. And notice the Scripture describes it culminating in a single day. God, through His Spirit, reassures His people that “I am with you” (in this case, back with them)—and to “fear not” in the human sense of fear—after He had previously removed them from His Church and held back blessings from their groups. Terribly frightened from what they saw, God now calms them so they can go forward in peace to fulfill His purpose.

Dave Pack: Rightful Sequential Heir

Dave seems to think his is the rightful heir to Herbert Armstrong.  He claims that HWA was Zerubbabel while he is Joshua and that the Bible foretold their separate times in history.  One followed the other and neither did their work together.  It is only logical, at least in Dave's mind, that Dave is the rightful heir to the throne.

Alongside Haggai, God has in fact hidden the most dramatic details of what happens to His people in another place—a chapter in Zechariah! Zechariah adds key elements to the picture in Haggai.

Some review from announcement #12. First mentioned in the book of Ezra (5:1-2), Haggai and Zechariah were prophets who served alongside each other around 520 BC, and “prophesied” during the time of the Jews returning from Babylonian captivity—when the Temple in Jerusalem was being rebuilt. They recorded PROPHECIES—not history!—which had no application for the ancient Jews of their time. The events described in these books clearly take place at the end of the age. Haggai and Zechariah recorded events that have mostly not yet happened, although elements of what they foretold have greatly advanced since Mr. Armstrong’s death. Also remember that these prophets include instruction to the ancient figures Zerubbabel and Joshua, and that these leaders were types of men who would come two and a half millennia later. Each of these modern types is spoken to in his own time—to men who worked primarily sequentially, not in parallel.

Dave Says He Knew Something Had To Be Done About These Bad COG Leaders

Davey is once again asserting that God is going to kill off the three top COG ministers so that the members can be free to join up with Davey.  Davey claims they are an impediment to the reunification of the members under him. Davey actually seems to be excited that his god is going to do something these men.

I speak personally for a moment. I could wish that some of what you will read in the last two announcements I did not have to write. But I do. I have long known what was happening at the top of the biggest splinters—totally false leaders—that the top leaders are among the most deceitful “angels of light” (II Cor. 11:13-15) to have ever afflicted the people of God. But understand. While the top leaders are far from the only problem in these organizations, these men do form a unique impediment—a powerful obstruction—to God’s stated purpose for His end-time Church and Work. I have also long wondered what God would DO about these men. How would He help His thousands of people who are today trapped under an absolute blizzard of powerful deception and lies? I knew something had to be done about these leaders and that at the right time God would do it, but for a long time I did not know what it was. One year ago I learned that God had “reserved” an end-time “remnant” of His people who were as hidden to those of us in His Church as they were to Elijah in I Kings 19:18 (Paul referenced this remnant in Romans 11:3-5). Next, I began to learn almost nine months ago not only what would happen with this “remnant” but when and why. You are about to learn more than the basics of these things.

Dave Pack: God Has Selected Someone From Someplace To Explain God's Message....and Guess Who That Is......

Davey Pack is vainly trying to assert his supremacy as God's personal mouthpiece.  Davey thinks he is the ONLY person on the entire earth that understands God.  Because Davey understands God he is now God's personal interpreter.  By being God's mouthpiece he allows no room for questions or dissension.  God said it, Dave interpreted it, so let it be said, so let it be done.

Most are aware of Amos 3:7 and God’s promise there: “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He reveals His secret unto His servants the prophets.” (This means one or more prophets must record every future action that God intends to carry out.) But few ever think through that someone has to teach the MEANING of what the prophets recorded. Otherwise, the secret remains a secret. False prophets and false teachers never get these secrets right because God is not using them. He works through the servant that He IS using, and the explanation is both correct and makes sense against ALL related verses. The bigger the prophecy—and this one is GIANT—the greater the importance for God to “reveal His secret.” Recall that Haggai himself is called “the Lord’s messenger” who brings “the Lord’s message” to His people. Haggai contains BIG secrets. Thus, at God’s selected time, someone—think about this—SOMEONE, from somewhere—has to explain this “Lord’s message” to God’s people or Haggai cannot be a messenger—to anyone. It is that simple. This is MY role.

Dave Pack: I am Not A Prophet! These Are God's Words. If It Doesn't Happen It is God's Fault Not Mine

Dave makes another claim that he is  not a prophet.  These are not his words but God's.  He claims he has not interpreted anything privately into these scriptures on Haggai.  But, since he is God's most highly Favored and Chosen,  God is working through HIM!  All of his sermons are not of his own private interpretation or things he has dreamed up.  It is God's words that flow through him.  It is God using and speaking through me to reveal His interpretations.

Before continuing we must also grasp something repeated from before. I am neither a prophet nor have I any self-prescribed authority to bring any prophecies. What will be shown is entirely GOD’S prophecy—from HIS WORD—explained and conveyed through the only office He ever uses to bring biblical truth to His Church (Acts 2:42; Eph. 2:20). The Bible warns that “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (II Pet. 1:20). But God does work through His chosen servants. In fact, He never reveals His Plan through anyone else. The many sermons I have given, including much of what you have read and will read, bring God’s interpretation of symbols and terms that He uses, not my private opinions. The reader will find that Zechariah 11 is in code. But nothing within it is complicated. Each verse has a clear explanation if we just allow the Bible—meaning GOD!—to interpret the meaning through other scriptures. The “code” it is written in becomes easily unlocked.

Dave Pack: Astounding New Development - - We Bought More Land....Building A Field of Dreams.

Dave Pack, God's most important human to ever exist since Jesus and leader of the most superfantabulous Church of God EVER is pleased to announce that he has bought more land so he can enlarge his magnificent property in preparation for the coming reunification.  After lusting for this land for 5 years, he has finally snagged it.

It will not be put to used by UCG's epic failure and reeducated Dale Schurter, who is trying to reinvent the the old Bib Sandy property with a farm, dairy cows and chickens.  This incessant imitation of the days gone by is is making these people look rather foolish.  They can never recapture those days.  It is the 21st century - - move on!  Design and re-imagine something new!

Davey is also building a "field of dreams" on his new land.  Dennis's last article was rather prophetic in that it pictured the thousands of returning members all streaming to Wadsworth like they did in The Field of Dreams.

Davey also apparently things this land will supply him with lumber, food and water during the tribulation.  He is also excited about a vein of natural gas being located on it.  There is enough gas coming from Davey to fuel the entire City of Wadsworth for the next 50 years!

"Before beginning this next-to-last announcement, those watching the progress of God’s Church will be pleased to read of the next BIG DEVELOPMENT in His Work. We have finally been able to purchase 59 acres of adjacent woods and farmland to expand our campus—now upper and lower sections—to 88 acres, making it now three-quarters of a mile long. We are absolutely thrilled about this development. We have wanted this land for almost five years and nine months. And over this time we have come to really NEED it for a variety of reasons. Here are some: (1) A powerful agricultural program, featuring a small farm with crops, livestock and poultry in the spirit of the Big Sandy agricultural program approved by Mr. Armstrong and directed by Mr. Dale Schurter to speak to the world about God’s form of agriculture. (2) Room for an expanded summer camp that would by next year be on our own property—much easier than driving almost to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. (3) A pavilion and ballfield for the Church, a camp and college activities. (4) Additional much needed parking space for activities right next door at a future Auditorium. (5) A few faculty residences. (6) A source for natural gas, lumber, food and water. (7) A place for possibly one college/camp community center/building.

 "There may be some other small adjoining properties that someday could be added, but it is this central addition that will allow the projected pattern of buildings, grounds and gardens to capture the elegance of the former Ambassador College campus in Pasadena, California, but also the more rural Big Sandy, Texas environment. It also brings in elements that will reflect the environment at Bricket Wood in England. The whole campus will be (and is already coming to be) woven in trees, gardens of every design, as well as one or more small lakes, a stream with three waterfalls (now complete) and other water features, all interwoven with uplit walkways and sitting areas.

Dave Pack: Why Does He Deliberately Lie On His Web Sites?

Dave Pack, the leader of the worlds most superfantabulous COG ever to exist in 6,000 years, the reincarnated Joshua/Elijah/Jesus, God's most trust banker of all money in existence, and failed health food store owner, has established a "new" ministry.

In his on going quest to think of something original, which apparently did not happen, he has created The Ambassador Center which has the delectable initials of 'AC."  How original Davey!  Your god must be really pleased! I stand at owe of your originality!  I can't wait to join you on August 31 so I can see what other "new" things you are coming up with!

He writes:

Ambassador Center (AC) is the specialized training academy of The Restored Church of God, which publishes The Real Truth. Founder and Chancellor David C. Pack, who is also President and Pastor General of The Restored Church of God and The Real Truth’s Editor-in-Chief, worked with faculty and staff to develop a rigorous two-year educational program with one overarching purpose: the development of the whole person.

There is nothing about Davey's new "AC" that has any ties to 60 years earlier in Pasadena.  Herbert Armstrong would have kicked Davey out on his ass years ago considering Davey's self-righteous pompous attitude.  There is no connection with the Ambassador College from the past whatsoever. It is only a figment of Davey's delusional imagination.

The tradition for this institution began more than 60 years earlier in Pasadena, California, with Ambassador College. Founded by Herbert W. Armstrong and supported by the Worldwide Church of God, the college eventually branched into three separate campuses in Pasadena, California; Bricket Wood, England; and Big Sandy, Texas.

It really must be humiliating for Davey to know that Gerald Flurry bought the Bricket Wood property. Imagine how Davey could have been using this property in September to reeducated all the new ministers he will be receiving.  What a startling missed opportunity!

Dennis on Dave Pack: "Intuition Tells Me.......?"

 

"I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds 

of those that think differently.  

I share my thoughts to show the people who think as I do 

they are not alone..."
Someone

 

 

The "Apostle"  Joshua C. Pack fascinates me as you have probably figured out by now.  This whole Haggai episode is both fascinating and puzzling to me. Partly because I have known him since he was 20 and partly because he is summation of all that is wrong with ministry and what happens when one becomes what I have come to call being "God Haunted."  Dave is a sorry reminder, to me at least, of decisions in life I wish I had not made and gut feeing's I wish I had listened to along the way, but were afraid to .

 

 

I don't see Dave Pack taking the kind of chance that so far has been implied in the braggart like quality of "Soon to be Reunited."  Dave is not the kind of thinker that finds some obscure scriptures , makes them to be speaking of him, set a date for some dramatic thing to happen and walk away unscathed if it doesn't.  Dave does not risk making a fool out of himself in his own mind at least and everything has a perfect explanation as to why it had to be so..  There is too much to lose if wrong,  as hundreds have been before, in setting dates.  Dave is not a date setter in the traditional sense in that when September 1st comes along, everyone will be laughing and he loses it all wondering why God did not mean what he perceived him to be saying to him in Haggai. .  There is more to this, in my view, than yet meets the eye.  

 

 

Dave has always, in my experience, been the kind of thinker who is both clever and devious.  Clever does not last as long as genuine intelligence but it is more dangerous.   He does not take the same kind of chances that say a Ron Weinland did with setting date after date and making fool out of himself as have thousands before him.  Dave is a competitor and not winning is  never  an option. I don't believe for a minute this date of August 31, 2013 is an all or nothing and desperate attempt at doing the impossible and the implausible.  Something else, to me, seems to be afoot or at least the final episode will not be what you may be lead to believe.  Dave doesn't do all or nothing in the same way Ron Weinland did and failed.  . 

 

 

I, as others, have seen this in Dave's sportsmanship.  From stopping games he was losing to changing the rules so he could win points, Dave simply has to win at all he does.  We have the notorious story of Dave allowing an excellent teen basketball player stay on the team in spite of his long hair as long as needed to win.  Once the season was over and the victories gained, Dave, from all accounts, sent the kid packing if he didn't get his hair cut.  Dave is a rule bender if it serves him and yet is never acknowledged as such.  This also accounts for his puzzlement over what "filthy rags" he must be wearing as "Joshua the High Priest", because, like Rod Meredith, major sins (or minor probably) are simply not factors in his life as he sees himself.  Thus, he concludes the filthy rags must be the sins of the COG splinters that he must carry and the fact that he did not realize this soon enough.  Weird thinking to the average human but not to the God haunted. .  The fault for everything in his life lies with others and Satan has been trying to stop Dave before his immaculate conception no doubt. This is typical and unchanging David Pack.   

 

 

So what's going on here.  I can't picture the "I will win" or "one who undercuts others" Dave taking a Ron Weinland type risk.  I also don't picture many transferring their membership in the splinters over to the Restored Church literally.  I picture few if any ministers now willing to expose themselves to Dave's scrutiny with the 35 ways back to his good graces.  But I do picture a shift in Dave's mind on August 31st as to who really is the true Apostle over ALL the splinters and ministers, whether they know it or not.  Once that is established as a fact in his mind, he can work on members coming to him as well as ministers who make that leap down the road. 

 

 

In the past, and i say this based on my own experience in NY pastoring and what others have told me over the years, Dave has had a tendency to redraw church boundary lines to his advantage.  Ministers in neighboring churches would only learn that some of their members were being told to come to Dave's Church when the member got a letter or at least told that they now were in Dave's area.  This was news to the pastor.  Dave tended to add to his church by subtracting from the church areas of others.  He also tends to multiply by causing division.  In some way, this Haggai/Joshua/August 31st thing is some form of that, if only in Dave's mind.  I just don't think he would risk a Weinland or even thinks that way. Dave does not put all the eggs in one make or break basket.  He calculates which is why I have always kidded about it always being about the numbers when denied.  Dave is simply redrawing lines again and making Haggai mean what it never meant to see just how this can work in his mind.  It's highly possible all the splinters , members and ministers will end up, in Dave's mind, in Restored as predicted.  It will not be literally true, but it will be mentally true.  It will be yet another boundary adjustment, just on a grander scale. 

 

 

I will try to be discrete with this, but this same undercutting habit was used by Dave against someone who confided in me that Dave tried to take his customers and undermine his business.  Actually, it near destroyed the business. Sensitive topic but the person to whom this happened confided this to me and is credible.   It is just more of the same.  In business, Dave had to win no matter who it was he was undercutting and trying to ruin. Stealing customer or stealing church members = all the same thing. There are many former employees of RCG who will agree that Dave has great tendencies to undercut others, cause division between partners and "win."   If he wants something, the ends justify the means it seems. 

 

 

So, we'll see.  I could be totally off base with this sense of just what is going on. Maybe I should not even say this publicly, but as Dave is so very public with what will happen in his mind, I can be equally as public with what my intuition and gut feelings are telling me is possible.  I have challenged him THREE TIMES to debate me, but I am sure he is unsure he would "win" and so can dismiss me neither stooping to do so or daring to lose.  There is no losing so if you think you might, you don't play. 

 

 

Unlike Dave, I don't have to right all the time or win anything. But this setting of a date seemingly to get a specific thing to be or  to be risking everything,  (radio, TV, building ambitions, college, awesomeness)  is not typical of Dave Pack's thinking.  In his mind, whatever he means by "return" fits the fairytale he has told about Haggai and his being Joshua the High Priest in fulfillment.  If he literally thinks that, then I would say all bets are off and we are not seeing typical behavior and thinking as seen in the past, but a deterioration of thinking and a risk taking that is not typical at all.  Somehow, none of this date setting and bravado and distortion of Haggai pointing to himself is not as risky as it seems in his mind or in how it will be finally defined when this specific time comes and goes. And it will...

 

 

It is either a very calculated and clever move , to him, to undermine others and define it as "All will be reunited again on August 31st 2013, or it will be yet another Weinland miscalculation and foolish theology  putting Dave in the same category, or worse, than those who have been equally stupid about dates before him.   Dave has at least had years of experience in seeing the folly of others so why would he want to duplicate it?  Dave does not miscalculate in such a way in my opinion.   I choose the former, but it has not fully expressed itself which is why these announcements become more and more dramatic as the time draws near.  When all is finally revealed it may just be "are you kidding me!"   We'll see.

 

 

 

 

So....what am I saying.  Yes, I know I tend to repeat myself because I need to know you got it!  lol.     All the churches of God being reunited again under the one banner of the Restored Church of God and the leadership of David C Pack, does not happen as one has been lead to believe.  I suppose we picture all the cars backed up for miles in the closing scene from Field of Dreams as minister and member flow to Wadsworth on that day.  Nope....  In some way Dave, in his mind and with the permission of Ol' Minor Prophet Haggai, will redraw the Church of God boundaries to take in the unsuspecting and even unapproving.  Somehow he will undercut  and undermine others to his advantage. In effect, he will steal the sheep.  It may not be what we all have in mind in any literal sense.  It will make perfect sense to the Apostle Dave. 

 

 

On the other hand, if Dave really thinks Haggai predicts his coming after HWA (which sounds insane to me personally) as on the surface it sounds, this would indicate, to me, that a major deterioration in his thinking has occurred. His Church is doomed in one month and his building projects will screech to a grinding halt for lack of funds both now and forever.  People are not THAT stupid to follow  mentally, emotionally, spiritually and certainly not financially yet another fool. He can forget about radio and TV because he will just be another footnote of prophecy misapplied and televangelists making fools of themselves.  Dave is not the type to trust Christ/God/Angels or Satan to do or not do what he already know is in the works in his mind and humanly doable...conscience or not. .  When Ron Weinland told everyone "Christ is doing ...." this or that or "God will..." this or that, he didn't know how but trusted that it would be so.  He really stuck his neck out.  When Dave says similar things, I believe he has done more of his homework and taking less of a chance, in his mind, than it might appear to everyone else.  This is just my view of the difference between the two men.

 

 

I may be totally wrong with stinky instincts that stink, but I have no problem with being wrong.  I have a problem with having sat for years on my instincts and gut feelings only to see what I thought would be the outcome of such stupidity actually becoming the outcome I envisioned, including for me personally.  So I guess I do this to make up for lost intuitions.  I also have a problem with seeing people taken advantage of but that is the defender of the underdog in me and it is hard wired.  

 

 

If Dave is really this theologically stupid and it is all literally as perceived, then the end is near for his church.  One man shows collapse quickly in such cases.  But it is possible that what he calls "Reunited Again"  is not what we would call it.  Stay tuned I suppose.  It won't be long now.....Maybe I'm just bored.  :)

 

 

Namaste

Contact Dennis at DennisCDiehl@aol.com

Dave Pack: Is He Getting Ready To Flip Us All Off On September 1?

Secret hidden road sign that Dave Pack is planning on using on September 1 when all the COG's refuse to join up with him. 

This was discovered behind Dave's new TV studios where it is being stored till they can move it on on the street across for the big box store parking lot.

He will either be flipping us all off or will be flipping his words around to meaning something other that what he has been trying to get across.  That seems to be the way of all COG false prophets.


ht: jm

Ron Weinland: God is Going to Reveal the Mockers of the Church

While Ron Weinalnd is sitting in a jail cell with Big Bubba, his little henchmen are out trying to deliver sermons.  Apparently Mrs. Weinerdude, the second half of the Two Witnesses is not smart enough to deliver messages.

Wayne Matthews recently had this to say:

3) God is also going to reveal the perverted attitude and spirit of all who mock Him, His Church, and His servants. Those who scoff, criticize, ridicule, and mock God’s Church have used the occasion of this revelation to find fault with God’s Church for changing doctrine (as they see it) and timing in order to better suit their own false needs. Such critics foolishly and unwittingly put themselves in a position of judging God. The very thing they mock is the very thing that will end up being used to mock them. God is revealing the kind of hatred that has existed in the hearts of men and women toward Him and His people for nearly 6,000 years now.

Like all ministers and evangelists in the Church of God that utter prophetic nonsense, they have all had to back-peddle and spiritualize away their utterances.

Weinerdude Weinland is NOT a servant of God, does not oversee one of God's churches and does not have servants of God its midst.  So I certainly WILL mock Ron and his cult without fear of death or other horrible disease that Ron has prophesied will happen to all of his mockers.

Bob Thiel: Is He Ready To Declare Himself Another Elisha?

God's most important man (after Davey Pack), worlds foremost authority on prophecy, all things Mayan and Chief Overseer of the Continuing Ed Church of God is all excited that recent excavations may have discovered Elisha's home.

Notice however, the very first line where Bob makes sure to point out that Elisha had a double portion of the Holy Spirit.

This is the same thing that Bob uses to legitimize his apostate splinter cult.  He claims an LCG elder doubly blessed with a double portion of the holy spirit.

When one is doubly blessed one MUST start their own church even when they are not ordained.

There is a report that a dwelling of the biblical Elisha, who asked to be granted a double-portion of God’s Spirit from Elijah (2 Kings 2:9-13), has possibly been found:
July 23, 2013

TEL REHOV, Israel – During 16 years of excavating Tel Rehov in the Jordan Valley, archaeologists uncovered a 3,000-year-old, well-planned city.

They also found a unique building that might have been the house of Elisha the prophet…

During the excavations, archaeologists discovered a special room inside the house with a table and a bench. They also discovered a pottery shard with the name Elisha on it, dated to the 9th century.

The discovery has led some to believe this was the room of the prophet Elisha.

Towards the end of the posting Bob has this:

Elisha was made a prophet of God to lead after Elijah no longer was fit to be the leader (see also Elijah: Past and Prophesied).

As we get closer to the end, it is interesting that archaeologists continue to find more evidence of biblical peoples, places, figures, and events.

 That all translates into Bob speak as this:

Since Rod Meredith was no longer fit to lead the church I had to step in and take matters in hand.  Even though I am not ordained by the laying on of  hands, I have been doubly blessed by an elder so therefore I am a legitimate leader in the Church of God.  As we get closer to the end God will further legitimize me in my position as he unveils more archaeological items and scriptural references.

Royal Baby: King David's Great, Great, Great, Great, Great...Grandchild Will Be 4 When Millennium Starts

Just when you think COG members can't dream up another stupid theory, along comes Geoff.

Why the new Royal baby may be a sign of things to come

On 18th July 2013 (10th Ab), the British Government

announced the Queen had signed a Law 'legalizing'

marriage between Sodomites.

That indicates she may have signed it the previous day,

on the 9th of Ab. 

This abomination in Ephraim, whom God calls "My first born",

approved by the incumbent Judah-sceptre-line monarch,

--descended from King David--

can thus be compared to,

if David had proclaimed all Israelites are allowed to

legally marry a person of the same sex.

Knowing how God responded to David's adultery,

had this happened, it would have also brought

a direct response from Heaven.

Indicating we are now in a similar time.

Especially when viewed in light of

(a) the spreading Sodomite 'marriages'

in America, France, and other mainly Israelite nations

--see:

http://www.freedomtomarry.org/landscape/entry/c/international

...combined with (b) the increasing violence and racial trouble in the world. 

All of which surely indicate

WE ARE IN AN ADVANCED STATE OF BEING,

IN DAYS LIKE  THOSE OF NOAH,

which Jesus predicted would come in the end days,

and which compel Him to intervene in world affairs

sometime soon.

If Herbert W. Armstrong was correct

and Christ returns on a Feast of Trumpets

preceded by a 1335-day countdown,

that count can (currently) start early 2014.

Which means that when Christ returns,

the new Royal baby would be

at least 4-years old.

He was born 22 July 2013 (15 Ab).

A few days after the Queen signed the new Law.

 So the new baby may be another sign the end is near...

 

...because, when the Millennium is over,

and he's a 1000-year old spirit being,

King David is going to be blessed

by having his own newborn baby

from Bathsheba, resurrected.

Similarly when the Millennium starts,

David looks like he's going

to be blessed by having the

by then 4-year old (or older) new Royal Prince,

as a great-great-great-etc grandchild.

 

In both cases these look like God-planned events.

The new Prince's birth shortly after

the UK Sodomite-'marriage' law was announced,

may also indicate God knew it would happen,

and this was His way of saying

that He stands behind both man/woman marriage,

and childbirth

--and His promise to David of a perpetual

line of Royalty.

Geoff Neilson

Cape Town

Philadelphia Church of God: God Has Placed A Big Bullas Over Edmond, Oklahoma.

Armstrongism has always thought its self to be special and called out from the rest of the world.  The church was always so special that God had placed special protection over Church properties and members homes.  Whenever earthquakes, tornadoes and floods happened we were always guaranteed a litany of stories about how the church HQ was spared damage and that all members were spared as homes were destroyed around them.

Today, the PCG's Trumpet Daily has a video up with little Stevie next to his Jerusalem apartment.  Armstrong College has several students in Jerusalem participating in a dig next to the Temple Mount. See The Key To David's City.

Listening to Stevie's 20 minute video is mind-numbingly boring.  I cannot imagine sitting and listening to this buffoon speak for an hour and half.

In the comment section below the video was the comment that follows.  It shows how shallow and provincial the Flurry cult is in its viewpoint of its self.

So what is a push in?

PCG's god is apparently so well pleased that he has a big push pin stuck in Edmond on the global map that says, "Here is where I dwell."


So what is a Bullas?   This is where the fun begins.  For being such a 'god' fearing church it also believes in amulets!  Of course when you have your god's special protection isn't that what you are really saying?  PCG's god has placed a dome over Edmond as the special resting place for its god and blessed it.  Edmond is now sanctified because of PCG.

Bulla, an amulet worn like a locket, was given to male children in Ancient Rome nine days after birth. They were enigmatic objects of lead covered in gold foil. A bulla was worn around the neck as a locket to protect against evil spirits and forces. A bulla was made of differing substances depending upon the wealth of the family. Before the age of manhood, Roman boys wore a bulla, a neckchain and round pouch containing protective amulets (usually phallic symbols), and the bulla of an upper-class boy would be made of gold.^[1] Other materials included leather and cloth.

A girl child did not wear a bulla,^[2] but another kind of amulet, like lunula^{[disambiguation needed]} until the eve of her marriage, when it was removed along with her childhood toys and other things. She would then stop wearing child's clothes and start wearing women's Roman Dress. A boy used to wear a bulla until he became a Roman citizen at the age of 16. His bulla was carefully saved, and on some important occasions, like his becoming a general and commanding a parade, the bulla was taken out. He would wear the bulla during the ceremony to safeguard against evil forces like the jealousy of men.

Why am I continually surprised by the dumb things that leak out of some COG members brains?

COG Member/Prophet Says: Soccer Is Worlds Game and Satan Is God of this world, Soooooooooo Soccer is Satan's Game....

Soccer is called "the World's game"

Satan is the 'god' of this world.

The official Soccer World Cup 1994 poster

by Peter Max

could be seen as depicting Satan

--in fiery red fury--

falling from Heaven to Earth, backwards

(as the Devil does things).

Even the name Peter Max

could refer to the Greatest (Maximum)

Pater (Father) whom Satan impersonates.

 

 

 

 

 

Note how the 1994 FIFA World Cup official logo could be interpreted

as Satan rising through 7 stages to fight Heaven.

 

This is more asinine stupidity from Geoff Neilson.  He cannot talk about Jesus but spends his time writing this kind of stupidity!  It is no wonder Armstrongites are mocked so much.

Meredith Misses Writing First Member/Co-Worker Letter In Ages

Richard Ames has written to the members of LCG letting them know that Rod is too BUSY to write the latest coworker letter.  With his rapidly declining health, there may be more to the story than "being too busy." Ever since Rod jumped ship from LCG he has never missed an opportunity to write about how awful the world is, that gays are ruining everything, and that LCG is the most awesome COG ever!

Ames starts off by praising Rod and his outstanding leadership of the LCG.  Given that LCG is embroiled in power struggles and deep issues at the Charlotte offices Ames congratulations carries a lot of background baggage with it.

God’s Work continues to grow and expand under the leadership of our Presiding Evangelist, Dr. Roderick C. Meredith. We thank God that Dr. Meredith continues to demonstrate zeal and vision at age 83. He administers the global operations of Tomorrow’s World and the Living Church of God and daily communicates with ministers and brethren around the world from his office here in Charlotte, North Carolina. His passion for fulfilling the Great Commission continues unabated, and he inspires all of us to “press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 3:14). Amidst his many scheduled activities and projects this month, he has asked me to write this month’s letter to you brethren and co-workers.

With the pointed and stinging rebukes that Dave Pack has leveled against LCG recently because of their shrinking television program, Ames wants everyone to know how great it all is.  You will also notice that Meredith cannot discuss Jesus when that is the dude he claims to partially represent

As you have seen announced in our July-August 2013 Tomorrow’s World magazine, the Tomorrow’s World telecast will now blanket the nation of Russia and other Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) countries. These programs will feature Russian-language voiceovers. We are excited about this new “open door” for the preaching of the gospel. The first two telecasts will be Dr. Meredith’s “How Can You KNOW God?” starting on July 24, followed by my telecast “Vital Keys for Bible Study” on July 31.

Ames then continues on to channel Meredith.  A letter to the membership could not be adequate unless sex was part of the conversation.  The more gay sex they can talk about the more money they hope to bring in.  So far it hasn't worked for them.

I hope most of you had the opportunity on June 30 to watch Dr. Meredith’s live on-line Tomorrow’s World Presentation, “Prophecy and the Decline of the Western Nations.” He powerfully indicted America and those nations supporting and promoting same-sex marriage. Shockingly, the U.S. Supreme Court on June 27 struck down the Congress-legislated Defense of Marriage Act. As Dr. Meredith has proclaimed, the Supreme Court of Heaven will not be mocked by men and women rebelling against the laws of God! The history of the world has demonstrated that civilizations decline, decay and self-destruct when they reject the Ten Commandments and the nuclear family. The Roman Empire was one case in point. Read my Tomorrow’s World magazine article “Rise and Fall of Nations” (July-August 2002) on our Web site.

Twenty-nine of the 50 U.S. states currently ban same-sex marriage; in another five it is not legal but not explicitly banned. Twenty states directly ban “same-sex civil unions” meant to approximate marriage. Will their moral strength remain strong? Or will the wave of immorality undermine even these states? This Work has warned—and will continue to warn—our Western nations that, if they will not repent and turn to their Creator, God will judge them with severe punishment. The prophet Jeremiah spoke of our end-time and referred to the Great Tribulation, a time unique in all history, when the American and British-descended peoples, descendants of the ancient patriarch Jacob, will be punished: “Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). Why will God punish our nations? “For I have wounded you with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of your iniquities, because your sins have increased” (v. 14).

If the above is true, they why does LCG continue to mock their god by the continual adultery by members and some of the leadership?  The sanctity of marriage is not a top priority in LCG. They need to clean up their own house before they start throwing stones at others.  they have been spitting this same message for over 25 years and people are sick of hearing it.

Ames then launches in on how the Russians hate us and will over power us.  That the  entire world hates Manasseh, ad naseum.

Then he starts in "reason" and how thinking contributes to a godless society.  I think this is a knee-jerk reaction by LCG towards the thinking LCG members that have been leaving the fold over the last several years.  People are using their brains, reading the Internet and logically thinking through the message of Meredith and they have been left wanting.

The entire letter is yet one more long process of death, damnation and gloom.  It offers not hope and cannot talk about Jesus except to say this:
  

Jesus also declares the genuineness of true freedom: “Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:31-32).

If LCG actually paid attention to Jesus and really understood what he taught then LCG would not be so fear based in all of its work.  Who wants to read stuff that is constantly filled with damnation and death?  That is what every single letter,  booklet, magazine article and TV broadcast dwells on. If you are so screwed already, then why not enjoy life?  Fear does not change many  people, but good examples and hope does.

Then Ames ends with telling LCG members how exclusive and special they are.  Screw the rest of humanity, you are god's chosen - frozen in 1986.

Brethren and co-workers, God has freely given us His precious truth. His wisdom and understanding are far more valuable than rubies (Proverbs 3:13-15). God’s truth protects us from the deceptions of this world, and—as long as we practice the truth by Christ living in us (Galatians 2:20)—it will keep us free from sin. We must continue to fulfill the Great Commission and preach the gospel of the Kingdom as a witness to the world (Matthew 24:14). Thank you all for your continuing zeal, participation, support and prayers for this most important mission in the world. May God help us all to stand for the Truth as we look forward to the coming Kingdom of God that will bring true liberty and freedom to all nations!

Continue to pray for the success of the Tomorrow’s World telecast in Russia. And pray for more open doors for the gospel to be preached in all nations around the world.

Thanks Richard for all the grace filled hope in Jesus.  It just makes me all warm and comfy as the world falls apart around me. Some day I hope you can let the dude into your life and be set free from all the bullshit.

The Church of God: Fact or Fantasy?

All About Armstrongim has a great post up today about the reality of the mindset of the Churches of God.  The myths and stories we believed over the decades have no relationship with reality. 

Check the article out here.

Tedd Armstrong (Beverly Gott's Son) Sings About HWA and GTA

Tedd Armstrong, the son of Beverly Armstrong, has been a musician since his yearly days in Pasadena.  He has written a song about HWA and GTA

His biography, written by Larry Gott, has this:

Tedd Armstrong, (born Tedd Alan Gott) always knew in his mind that he was a musician. Spending hours and hours as early as two and three years old listening to his mothers record collection of Duke Ellington, Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey, Raymond Scott, etc. Tedd began playing drums at the ripe old age of five. His Mother, Beverly Armstrong was a recording artist for Capitol Records, and was featured on the weekly television and radio programs "The World Tomorrow." where she sang sacred classical music for her televangelist father Herbert W. Armstrong.

She noticed when Tedd was only three, that he was playing along with her Duke Ellington records with wooden spoons on pots and pans and empty Quaker Oats boxes,and actually playing many of the Louis Belson riffs on songs like "Skin Deep". So for his 5th birthday,she purchased him a small set of drums behind which he spent much of his childhood playing along with jazz records from his mothers collection.

At the age of 12, Tedd saw The Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show and it altered his life forever! He formed his first rock and roll band at thirteen, and began playing junior high dances and backyard parties. His first paying gig was at age 12, the 1964 Christmas show at The Acadamy Theater in Pasadena Ca. Playing hits like, Wipe Out by the Surfaries  and She Loves You By of course, The Beatles... Tedd continued to play in rock cover bands throughout Jr. high and high school, mostly with much older musicians, playing in night clubs like Gazzaris,The Whisky A Go Go, and college campuses, and at the Hollywood Palladium in 1970.

After High school Tedd began playing guitar / bass / keyboards / harmonica / sitar / 4 string banjo / ukelele, pretty much anything musical he could get his hands on, and taught himself to play them all by ear, having no formal training nor ever learning to read music. By the mid Seventies he had started writing songs on guitar and piano, and recorded his first self titled solo album with the help of Track Records owner, musician, song writer and producer Robert Safir. The album was an ambitious project of 13 original songs on which Tedd played most of the instruments and sang all of the vocals himself.

 

One night, while driving to the studio during these sessions, Tedd came very close to losing his life when he rolled his 1970 Charger at very high rate of speed. This of course slowed production of the album for several weeks. Tedd, however managed to complete the project with the a broken back.

Read more here:



It is Techno rock so it may not appeal to some.  He has more music and pictures here and on Soundcloud here.