Prophet Robert Thiel notes and dislikes that...
"Nearly Quarter of Americans Carry Lucky Charms
Nearly one in four Americans carries a good luck charm at least occasionally, according to a new survey.
According to a YouGov poll, seven percent of Americans carry a lucky charm every day, four percent said they carry one frequently, and 13 percent said they carry one occasionally. Seventy percent said they don’t carry a charm.
A lucky charm could be a shirt, a pair of shoes, a coin, a bracelet, or a piece of ribbon. In fact, at the World Cup, star Lionel Messi tied a ribbon given to him by a fan around his ankle.
According to Elle magazine, actress Cameron Diaz wears a lucky necklace, as does Lindsay Lohan. Actor Benicio Del Toro is reported to have a lucky ring.
Women are slightly more likely to carry a charm, with 26 percent saying they carry one at least occasionally, compared to 20 percent of men who say they do. 07/13/18
Nearly one in four Americans carries a good luck charm at least occasionally, according to a new survey.
According to a YouGov poll, seven percent of Americans carry a lucky charm every day, four percent said they carry one frequently, and 13 percent said they carry one occasionally. Seventy percent said they don’t carry a charm.
A lucky charm could be a shirt, a pair of shoes, a coin, a bracelet, or a piece of ribbon. In fact, at the World Cup, star Lionel Messi tied a ribbon given to him by a fan around his ankle.
According to Elle magazine, actress Cameron Diaz wears a lucky necklace, as does Lindsay Lohan. Actor Benicio Del Toro is reported to have a lucky ring.
Women are slightly more likely to carry a charm, with 26 percent saying they carry one at least occasionally, compared to 20 percent of men who say they do. 07/13/18
So the above is talking about 80 million Americans.
However, if you include religious icons like crosses, the amount of Americans who carry ‘good luck charms’ is much higher. Plus, various tattoos are considered to be ‘good luck."
Since Prophet Bob hangs out so much in the Old Testament with his heroes Moses and Amos, a moment of pause to consider the idolatrous behavior of Moses as he creates God's talisman in this charming story for the healing of the people, but only for those who look upon it.
And then! On top of that! We find it is a type of Jesus on the cross.
I recall as a kid in Sunday School wondering why God would be so incensed as to send poisonous snakes to "try and tell the Israelites something", as Bob might say. And then, of all things, choose a bronze snake on a stick, breaking his own rules, to point to Jesus? And why would you have to look at it in the desert to be healed of snakebites? Sounds superstitious and talisman-like to me. But that's just me.
No lookey no healey.
Numbers 21…8Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and mount it on a pole. When anyone who is bitten looks at it, he will live.” 9So Moses made a bronze snake and mounted it on a pole. If anyone who was bitten looked at the bronze snake, he would live.
For the moment evidently, so much for ...
Exodus 20…3You shall have no other gods before Me. 4You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,…
We'll leave the Urim and Thummim, all sparkly, talisman-like, and charming with symbolic precious stones for representing each Tribe as YHVH's OT version of "Call me at the office" for another time.
In the Hebrew Bible, the Urim and the Thummim (Hebrew: הָאוּרִים וְהַתֻּמִּים, Modern: ha-Urim veha-Tummim Tiberian: hāʾÛrîm wəhatTummîm; meaning uncertain, possibly "Lights and Perfections") are elements of the hoshen, the breastplate worn by the High Priest attached to the ephod. They are connected with divination in general, and cleromancy in particular. Most scholars suspect that the phrase refers to a set of two objects used by the high priest to answer a question or reveal the will of God.[1][2]
The Urim and the Thummim first appear in Exodus 28:30, where they are named for inclusion on the breastplate to be worn by Aaron in the holy place. Other books, especially 1 Samuel, describe their use in divination.
I have no particular liking for crosses, but I have never heard anyone claim they carry one for "luck". Maybe someone somewhere does, but I think Thiel is (as usual) engaging in hyperbolic assumption because the percentages are too low for his liking.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that almost everyone has at least a little bit of some "OCD" behaviors. Even Baseball has a number of them, that are well known to fans...
ReplyDeleteBaseball Player's Common Superstitions
There are common superstitions practiced in baseball by players during a baseball game that are thought to bring luck, or that must be done to avoid losing the game.
Never step on the chalk lines coming on or off the field.
Never talk about a no-hitter or perfect game when a game is in progress.
Players eat a specific meal before a game.
Jumping over the foul line.
Repetitive batting stance rituals.
Flipping a rally hat inside out to start a rally. Generally applies to fans. It brings good luck to a team in the last inning.
Leave pitcher alone on day of the start.
Point skyward after a homerun.
Adjust gloves.
Lucky bats and gloves
Plus, it never made sense to me why they would take dust, mix it with water, and make a woman drink it to prove whether she had cheated on her husband or not.
ReplyDeleteUnless the dust was contaminated, she would only suffer the distaste of drinking filthy water.
The men of course were above suspicion, even though the woman would have needed a man to be guilty as well, so only the woman was at risk.
The Lucky Charm is pagan, like there's something called an enchanted necklace, where you put a spell for luck and it can give you good luck when you wear the necklace. Don't be fooled by Satan who will tempt you to wear it. Because all forms of sorcery is satanic.
ReplyDeleteDid God 'break His own rules'? Did He command them to worship it? What's the context of Num 21:8-9?
ReplyDeleteNum 21:4-7 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So YHVH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against YHVH and against you; pray to YHVH that He take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people.
The Bronze Serpent was an object commanded by God to be made that later became an object of idolatry. About 700 years later, Hezekiah destroyed it.
2 Kings 18:4-5 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. He trusted in YHVH God of Israel ...
Another object that was starting to become an object of idolatry was Moses' rod/staff, read Num 20:1-13 (one chapter before the bronze serpent). This incident resulted in Moses and Aaron not being allowed to enter the Promised Land. This was discussed in a post last month - click here.
Good ol' Bob, always majoring in the minors!
ReplyDeleteThis post says more about Dennis than God. In one swoop, women and God are all patronised into the ground by a divorced ex WCG minister.
ReplyDeleteSeems the Israelites thought it a waste to just use the serpent once. It was nicely crafted after all. So...
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Hezekiah’s Reforms
4 He removed the high places, demolished the sacred pillars, and tore down the Asherah poles. He also demolished the bronze serpent that Moses had crafted, because the Israelis had been burning incense to it right up until that time. Hezekiah[a] called it a piece of brass.
So the ok with God bronze serpent was saved and then respected forever more. I mean, no one wanted to just throw it in the creek. Then it went from an Idol to an Idol and Hezekiah Thiel finally got rid of it.
And too, ever notice how if a Pagan Egyptian Priest turns his rod into a serpent or what little water was left into more blood, it's called sorcery as in Harry Potter. If Moses does the same thing however, it is called a miracle. Same thing as sorcery no matter how you cut it.
Yes Lucky Charm is pagan there is an amulet that if you put a spell on them you can have good luck it is a form of witchcraft we should stay away from it since God says not to worship false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups and also do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.
ReplyDeleteDennis Diehl Idoltary break God's commandments and you do not need a gold calf to do that anything in your life that comes before the true God is idolatry.
ReplyDeleteDennis, you wrote "Same thing as sorcery no matter how you cut it."
ReplyDeleteNo, this is where you are wrong. You have put yourself in the position of judging God. Which is all right if there is no God. But if there is a God and he is how he is understood to be in Christianity, you are making a mistake.
Under the New Covenant, annointing oil can be used in a ritual act of requesting healing. The oil can be abused. People could worship it as if it independently had some kind of power. Someone might even put it in a little vial and wear it like an amulet. God did not balk at using something physical in an accepted act of ritual. He was not even deterred by its potential for abuse by weak humans. That is because God is greater than humans and greater than the law he designed for humans. Sorcery for humans but not for God.
The Pharisees accused Jesus of letting his disciples break the Sabbath. Yet, Jesus was the one who made the Sabbath not for liturgical purposes but in the principle of caring for humans. This is a timeworn insight.
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Bob should spend less time pontificating on fringe areas and more time brushing up on his biblical scholarship and Hebrew culture. In a repeat of his piece on praying to the east, he again doesn't get the point of text he quotes.
ReplyDeleteIn Ezekiel 8:15-16, men are standing with their backs to the Temple, and facing the sun. He uses this text to say one shouldn't face east in prayer as that is sun worship. The point of the passage is the men have their backs to the Temple and they are facing the sun. Would Bob say it's still wrong to face east in prayer in the afternoon?
Just as Muslims dutifully face Mecca in prayer, devout Jews face the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. There are even tables published of which direction that is, given your geographic coordinates. There's probably even an app for it. In the Ezekiel passage, the men were standing to the east of the temple, facing the sun in the east. It was not to face the east, it was to face the sun.
There is a fringe point that Bob could use - a Protestant hymn about breaking bread "When I fall on my knees with my face to the rising sun" - definitely facing east!
Ex 7:9a When Pharaoh speaks to you, saying, ‘Show a miracle (Hebrew mopheth meaning a wonder, sign, portent; H4159) for yourselves,’ ...
ReplyDeleteThe same Hebrew word mopheth is used in Deu 13:1 when describing what a false prophet may do. As stated in Deu 13:3, God allows a false prophet to perform 'miracles' to test us. We should not regard someone as from God based on 'miracles', but on what the person teaches and does which should conform to the Torah.
Deu 12:32-13:4 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder (Heb mopheth), and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for YHVH your God is testing you to know whether you love YHVH your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after YHVH your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him."
Frosted Bwana Bob, he's magically insipid!
ReplyDeleteThe true Jesus Christ would never approve of idolatry like the golden calf but the plain irrefutable truth is anything in your life that comes before the true God is an idol.
ReplyDeleteNEO said "The Pharisees accused Jesus of letting his disciples break the Sabbath. Yet, Jesus was the one who made the Sabbath not for liturgical purposes but in the principle of caring for humans. This is a timeworn insight."
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Timeworn apologetic. No mistakes in saying that when gentile or non Christian it is sorcery but when the same things are done in Christianity, it is called "a miracle". It's sorcery too and I suppose we can call the non Christian sorcery, miracles if we want, but that gives a certain hint of it being more ok than Christians might wish it to be considered. "Sorcery" has such a sinister ring to it.
Concerning According to the Gospel of Mark:
"One Sabbath, Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."[2]
The point of the story is that the Sabbath is made for humans, man, people and not they to get caught up in the rigors of Sabbath keeping. We probably agree on this.
However, "So the Son of man is Lord, even of the Sabbath" may not mean "Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath". In context it means more accurately "Humans needs are more important than the Sabbath and they are lords over it, and not it them. In this context, "son of man" means "humans" as in the afore mentioned examples of need on the Sabbath. It is not just another fancy name for "Jesus" who alone gets to define the Sabbath.
Son of man statements in the NT often need to be taken accurately in their context and don't just mean "Jesus"
"True Christian said...
ReplyDeleteThe true Jesus Christ would never approve of idolatry like the golden calf but the plain irrefutable truth is anything in your life that comes before the true God is an idol."
If this is true as you claim, they why do you continue to prostitute yourself at the feet of Pack when he has been exposed as a liar and a false prophet? Clinging to his every word as fact is also idolatry. Clinging to his erroneous Bible interpretations is also idolatry. The very scriptures that you claim to follow tell you that if a man who claims to be God's representative tells even ONE LIE or one prophecy that FAILS, then that person is a lair and a false prophet that should not be followed. What will you do this coming Trumpets or Day of Atonement when the fake "Jesus" of Dave fails to return, once again?
Dennis:
ReplyDeleteThe term sorcery is associated with the black arts and is deprecatory. There is a great divide in the cosmos between Good and Evil forces. The term "miracle" can be of neutral usage in this great cosmic conflict. The only way that sorcery and godly miracles can be equated is through ideological erasure of the difference between good and evil. And this is not just a problem begging for a labelling solution. The semantic difference originates in a serious division in power and philosophy. Sorcery and godly miracles may both require the suspension of the laws of the universe as we know them. But the sources of this suspending power stand in antithesis.
David Bentley Hart in his NT translation wrote this of the term "son of man":
"Though "son of man" is simply a good Semitic idiom meaning "a man," by the first century it had long served as the name of a mysterious apocalyptic or eschatological figure . . . and as Christ uses it in the Gospels it should clearly be read as a distinctive prophetic title. . ."
So much so that the idea that man collectively is the "lord of the Sabbath" would have to be classed as a novel exegesis - an exegesis that would not stand in the context of the rest of the Biblical statements concerning he origin and meaning of the seventh day. Nowhere in its Biblical pedigree is the Sabbath under man's governance. It is under God's governance but to benefit man.
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"Son of man statements in the NT often need to be taken accurately in their context and don't just mean "Jesus""
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But they do - Mat 16:13-20.
What's good for you is sorcery. What's good for me is a miracle.
ReplyDeleteGreat false hopes: Jesus, Mohammad, Allah, Moses, mRNA, 1975, bitcoin, and the U.S. dollar.
ReplyDeleteAnon 6:13 PM I believe no man not even Jesus or the angels knows when he is coming back only God the Father does I know Mr. Pack made some mistakes but God's organization has mostly truth and spirit led people.
ReplyDeleteTrue Christian is Troll Guy.
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ReplyDelete[Truly Deluded] at 7:56 PM said...“I believe no man not even Jesus or the angels knows when he is coming back only God the Father does I know Mr. Pack made some mistakes but God's organization has mostly truth and spirit led people.”
Of all men, Dave Pack especially does not know when Jesus is coming back. That is the one thing that he does seem to have really proven.
Dave Pack now does nothing but make more and more serious mistakes.
The RCG is not God's organization. The RCG is a satanic imposter cult.
The RCG started with some old WCG teachings but has been actively replacing them with Dave's new nonsense.
The RCG people are spirit led, but it is a very evil spirit that is leading them and misleading them.
If you are really serious about the TRUTH, at some point you will have to escape from Dave Pack's endless LIES.
But once we have found THE TRUTH, then we shouldn't trample it under our feet, like a dirty old sow would trample beautiful pearls and diamonds under their feet and then turn to attack you. Don't cast your precious pearls before swine. They will eat you up, and you will lose out on inheriting Salvation yourself, because this is Satan's world we are all living in right now. He is ruling the whole world, as the Bible says. He has DECEIVED the whole world. REVELATION 12:9.
ReplyDeleteTC wrote "But once we have found THE TRUTH, then we shouldn't trample it under our feet, like a dirty old sow would trample beautiful pearls and diamonds under their feet and then turn to attack you."
ReplyDeleteOf the many COG leaders today who are trampling the "beautiful pearls" of grace, justification and mercy under their feet, Dave Pack is right there at the top. Never has the church seen such a lying false prophet in their midst (except maybe for Bob Thiel) who has never had one "truth" ever come to pass.
Pack worships at the feet of Moses instead of following Jesus (the real one instead of the fake creature he has created).
There is not one single COG member out there who will ever die at the hands of Dave's god because they have not joined his group.
Just how many more families will he need to bankrupt, marriages destroy, and families break up before you wake up. Dave has driven all of his kids out of the church and 90% of the ministry that helped him start the improperly named "restored" Church of God. Not one single one of those who have left have lost their salvation due to them leaving his church. Not one single one!
I don't believe for one minute that a fully fledged paid up member of RCG would even know this two cent blog exists let alone comment like a fool. Who's kidding whom ??
ReplyDeleteMore side interest specialties from Bob, again hanging out the dirty laundry on HWA.
ReplyDeleteAnon 11:43 PM In fact, I think there was someone here in the past who was reading the banned statements about RCG but joined anyway and just then this person thought that banned was right after that person expirenced on it on her own I remember this comment and this is proof that this person and possibly others who participated in the RCG know about banned by hwa and another commentator said that Dave banned people from reading this site if they are banned from reading this site, so they must have at least heard about it then the conclusion yes, the members of the RCG have heard of it.
ReplyDeleteYou people need to repent of your rebellion and listen to Mr. Pack. It is not the voice of a man speaking during those sermons but God's. worldly Christians dont read the bible but Mr. Pack does and he understands the importance of GODS LAW as well as having all things in common. would not want to be in your shoes come judgement day as Mr. Armstrong will be there with the power to melt a thousand suns! and he will say to Mr. Pack well done good and faithful servant! Get back on track and trust not a man but God!
ReplyDelete"I pity the poor fool who comments here." Pseudo quote in the style of Mr. T
ReplyDeleteWhen I was interested and then joined the WCG, I could refute or make excuses for any WCG-critical literature or comments. After services one day, a friend and I picked up the "Mr. Confusion" tract and ridiculed every adverse remark.
In the post-WCG world, one looks at critique from a different point of view. Yes, some, but not all, of the criticism is correct; some is just useless error-ridden rant and rave.
Has anyone ever bothered to read the verses used to claim we cannot know when the Messiah will return?
ReplyDeleteHas anyone here ever bothered to read what the question the Messiah answered was?
Has anyone here ever bothered to read closely the verses right before the Messiah’s answer? I mean closely as in pay attention to each word s l o w l y and think about the meaning of that word?
Has anyone here ever bothered to question why they off handedly quote the answer the Messiah gave without reading the whole section in the chapters to verify what He was referring to?
Is everyone here absolutely positive He said we couldn’t know when He would return, or is something else being referred to?
Maybe there is a surprise ahead, just think about it. Have fun!
Bob, enlighten me.
ReplyDeleteNo2HWA said, "There is not one single COG member out there who will ever die at the hands of Dave's god because they have not joined his group." Well, the plain truth is that they won't die physically but only spiritually you about the few scattered Laodicean brethren see God will bring them back to his assembling place that is doing the full true 21-century work of God's which they must do to keep God’s Spirit and if they do not return back home base they will lose Gods spirit and will be waiting for the third resurrection and be destroyed by God think for a moment and be honest God was so loving he literally gave you direction to the only true assembling place where the true church( the spirit body of called-out ones) is mostly unified at except a few scattered brethren but you would reject it because you are way too comfortable in your little dead splinter don't you think you are rejecting God and guidance since he showed you where is leading the only real work of God today? The irrefutable plain truth is God will destroy them after the Third Resurrection because they rejected his signal to come out of your splinters. Some background: God did a test by using the false tkaches to destroy the original assembling place ( worldwide church of God) so they fled to the splinters with a attempt to hold fast and most of them passed the first half of the test. However, most have not passed the second half which is to find the new home based where God used Mr. David C. Pack to restore ever worldwide church of God and the true church ever was back to normal the point of this test was to see many brethren truly loved God and his way of life rather than just being interested in the truth sadly most groups and old WCG members have been failing this test and many have.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to continue being with the true church and qualify to rule in God's kingdom I recommend fleeing your splinter while you still have time and come to RCG if you don't God will take his spirit back and you will be scheduled for the third Ressurection.
True Christian
DeleteIs that you Dave?
"True Christian" 12:28 you don't know what you speak of. For one thing there is no 3rd resurrection. That just shows how deceived you have been by just one of HWA's lies.
ReplyDeleteI have come to correct you in love, here is the biblical truth, there will be three resurrections, so here is the irrefutable plain truth that God will raise us up in the first resurrection and it will be given to us who are called by God, the father now who has acted on our calling in his called eternal life. He will also resurrect many others in the second resurrection to physical life and give them their first opportunity for salvation. And then He will resurrect those few in the third resurrection who must be condemned to the Lake of Fire. About the first resurrection, the Bible has something to say about it.
ReplyDelete"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Revelation 20:6 KJV
Hopefully the truth and follow it and not reject it as so many have.