Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Every scripture in the New Testament about the Second Coming of Jesus was spoken to the audience of that day. The 'shortly', "soon" and "quickly" of the texts was for them and then. None of it was meant for the far future. It was sincere and it was mistaken. Using the scriptures as if they are talking to us or any other generation to come will always end in the same way.
The brilliance of the New Testament is its being the eternal carrot that keep people focused, not on the present, but on the future, just around the corner and just over the hill if they only believe.
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2 Peter 3:3-4
" Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.
They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”
...is not scoffing. It is a simple observation of those days and all days since over the past 2000 years. Yet the author blames the one who notices the reality and then says that they are "willingly ignornant" , which they are not.
It would be better if those so inclined just said, "You know what? you are right. This shortly, soon and quickly stuff is going long, late and slow. Maybe we should come up with a plan B", which most mainstream, non-literalists denominations have done to this day.
If there was ever a "Dangler of the Eternal Carrot" it is David C Pack
Or, think big, really big, of a day as a 1000 years, as in Hosea 6:2.......after 2000 years, from about 700 BCE during the reign of Hezekiah, and in the third 1000 years, to about 2300 CE Christ will come and raise "us up". It's inarguable, absolute, incontrovertible, unchallengeable, immovable, fixed, certain.....Jesus will come before about 2300 CE/AD.
Okay, let's say they were mistaken. Scientific errors in the bible are brushed aside by some as the human part of the infallible divine word. But these were not scientific errors. So we have another kind of error. Add to that the historical errors in the Bible. Now we have at least three kinds of errors. Whatever parts of the bible man has not demonstrably messed up is presumed to be the infallible word of God. With that approach any book can be declared infallible. All books are infallible once the man-made errors are removed. Any book could claim to be inspired by God. And any religious text could claim to be an infallible guide to spiritual things.
Dude! 2300 pretty much jibes wit da Jews! I mean seein' as how today is 21 Kislev 5785! They're the big Kahunas, the keeper of the oracles! The Herbalist messed with their figures to deceive us into thinking 1975 was the end, and we see where that got us, although discerning baby boomers left, and actually did get to have predominantly good lives! The splinters have statistically negligible authority and power compared with the original HWAcaca scam! It will take another couple hundred years for people to forget Armstrongism and for a new group that God can actually trust to rise and fulfill the great commission credibly!
Prolly there are many out there who are thinking, "Aw! Why cant it be (Insert your favorite ACOG acronym here)". But the thing is all of them have been tainted! There is none that is good, no, not one! Searching for the true church amongst the splinters is like comparison shopping for diarrhea! They're all full if it!
Except 3761 BC (+2240 = 6000) might be, uh, in error............1656 + 427 + 400 + 480 + 429 yrs (Gen 5, 11, 15:13; 1Kings 6:1; 2Chr - reigns of Judah's kings, to end of Zedekiah's reign about 585 BC).
The keepers of the oracles or the fabricators of the oracles? The chosen ones, or those whom Jesus called snakes and vipers who cannot escape the damnation of hell?
I guess you'll need to make that decision for yourself, 8:20. There is no doubt that they were involved in writing or preserving the records, much the same as the Proto-Catholics and Mormons have curated extensive records pertaining to themselves.
Three great religions revolve around Jerusalem, the Jews, Muslims, and Christians. They all credit the same God for their origins, but there are varying opinions regarding Jesus. The Jews do not believe He was the Messiah, Christians do, and the Muslims consider Him to have been a prophet. Your own personal mileage may vary.
Has Pack converted a single person who was not already a believer in Armstrong? The Internet is where religions come to spin their wheels and run out of fuel and die. The old timers will pass away, and what will be left of Pack then? Pack will die with a pile of money I guess. He seems to be in it for his ego. For the fun of the attention he gets from his followers. For the fun of pulling the wool over their eyes.
What is so "great" about any of those three religions? There are other "great" religions in terms of numbers of followers. And what do numbers matter? Truth is what counts. And the Jews are a tiny percentage of the world's population. As a racist religion, they are destined to remain a tiny minority. What is so great about them? They claim Jesus is boiling in hell in a vat of human excrement and s****. What makes them so great? Money?
Do these three religions really credit the same God? Christians say Jesus was god, and was the son of God. Jews and Muslims reject Jesus as God. Actually, none of these religions believe in the same God. They all have different ideas of who or what God is. Jews credit YWVH. Christians credit Jesus. Muslims credit Allah. These three Gods are NOT the same. Not at all. It is not just their names that differ, but the path to salvation, how to worship. what God says, who his follower are, etc. Many things.
Carrot. Heh heh. How phallic! Pack giving it to his church endlessly. They've had Stockholm Syndrome since he originally captured them from Global decades ago.
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PTS. Prophecy Tourette's Syndrome.
People die unexpectedly everyday. For these people, Christ has returned.
Or, think big, really big, of a day as a 1000 years, as in Hosea 6:2.......after 2000 years, from about 700 BCE during the reign of Hezekiah, and in the third 1000 years, to about 2300 CE Christ will come and raise "us up". It's inarguable, absolute, incontrovertible, unchallengeable, immovable, fixed, certain.....Jesus will come before about 2300 CE/AD.
Okay, let's say they were mistaken. Scientific errors in the bible are brushed aside by some as the human part of the infallible divine word. But these were not scientific errors. So we have another kind of error. Add to that the historical errors in the Bible. Now we have at least three kinds of errors. Whatever parts of the bible man has not demonstrably messed up is presumed to be the infallible word of God. With that approach any book can be declared infallible. All books are infallible once the man-made errors are removed. Any book could claim to be inspired by God. And any religious text could claim to be an infallible guide to spiritual things.
Dude! 2300 pretty much jibes wit da Jews! I mean seein' as how today is 21 Kislev 5785! They're the big Kahunas, the keeper of the oracles! The Herbalist messed with their figures to deceive us into thinking 1975 was the end, and we see where that got us, although discerning baby boomers left, and actually did get to have predominantly good lives! The splinters have statistically negligible authority and power compared with the original HWAcaca scam! It will take another couple hundred years for people to forget Armstrongism and for a new group that God can actually trust to rise and fulfill the great commission credibly!
Prolly there are many out there who are thinking, "Aw! Why cant it be (Insert your favorite ACOG acronym here)". But the thing is all of them have been tainted! There is none that is good, no, not one! Searching for the true church amongst the splinters is like comparison shopping for diarrhea! They're all full if it!
BB
The Hebrew calendar will reach year 6000 in AD 2240.
Except 3761 BC (+2240 = 6000) might be, uh, in error............1656 + 427 + 400 + 480 + 429 yrs (Gen 5, 11, 15:13; 1Kings 6:1; 2Chr - reigns of Judah's kings, to end of Zedekiah's reign about 585 BC).
The keepers of the oracles or the fabricators of the oracles? The chosen ones, or those whom Jesus called snakes and vipers who cannot escape the damnation of hell?
Agree.
I guess you'll need to make that decision for yourself, 8:20. There is no doubt that they were involved in writing or preserving the records, much the same as the Proto-Catholics and Mormons have curated extensive records pertaining to themselves.
Three great religions revolve around Jerusalem, the Jews, Muslims, and Christians. They all credit the same God for their origins, but there are varying opinions regarding Jesus. The Jews do not believe He was the Messiah, Christians do, and the Muslims consider Him to have been a prophet. Your own personal mileage may vary.
So we're supposed to "laminate" David Pack's documents now? And put them "under our pillow"?
Isn't that a bit like tooth fairy mythology?
Has Pack converted a single person who was not already a believer in Armstrong? The Internet is where religions come to spin their wheels and run out of fuel and die. The old timers will pass away, and what will be left of Pack then? Pack will die with a pile of money I guess. He seems to be in it for his ego. For the fun of the attention he gets from his followers. For the fun of pulling the wool over their eyes.
What is so "great" about any of those three religions? There are other "great" religions in terms of numbers of followers. And what do numbers matter? Truth is what counts. And the Jews are a tiny percentage of the world's population. As a racist religion, they are destined to remain a tiny minority. What is so great about them? They claim Jesus is boiling in hell in a vat of human excrement and s****. What makes them so great? Money?
Do these three religions really credit the same God? Christians say Jesus was god, and was the son of God. Jews and Muslims reject Jesus as God. Actually, none of these religions believe in the same God. They all have different ideas of who or what God is. Jews credit YWVH. Christians credit Jesus. Muslims credit Allah. These three Gods are NOT the same. Not at all. It is not just their names that differ, but the path to salvation, how to worship. what God says, who his follower are, etc. Many things.
Packs behavior is also a confession that he doesn't expect to be in God's kingdom.
Yet when the Apostle Paul went on his missionary journeys he remarked 'to the Jews first'.
Carrot. Heh heh. How phallic! Pack giving it to his church endlessly. They've had Stockholm Syndrome since he originally captured them from Global decades ago.
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