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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
NOTE: It's that time of year again in Church of God land and the anti-Christmas crowd is spewing its hilarious venom. Bob Thiel has had his yearly childish melt-down. So, it's time for a rerun:
It's getting close to Christmas and the anti-Christmas crowd in Armstrongism is starting to spit and slobber on how demonic Christmas is.
Typical Armstrongite comments on Facebook are aimed to demean those who keep Christmas:
Christmas Trees symbolize Nimrod sprouting from the grave:
Nimrod the mighty hunter
against God!!! Nimrod married his Mother. Nimrod was killed. The
evergrowing tree sprouted from his grave. The first Christmas tree.
Have some angels on your tree? If you do, you are hanging dead babies on your tree in honor of Nimrod
Nimrod was shown as a baby.
With the pine tree representing Nimrod. Babies were burnt alive as
gifts to Nimrod. Angels on trees represent dead babies - MURDERED Babies.
Have some tinsel on that tree? You are decorating it with Satan's snake. I won't even venture to think what they mean by "snake". :-) Knowing the preoccupation of so many Armstrongites with sex, it could mean a couple of things.
The strings of tensile on the tree symbolize the snake/satan.
Did you know that hanging ball ornaments on trees symbolizes testicles?
The balls on the tree are Nimrods Testicles.
I do not recall how the
founder of all of this worlds religions died. I remember that he was cut
up and they could not find his balls which is why they put balls on the
trees, An evergreen tree was supposed to have sprouted from his grave
which is why an evergreen tree is used.
Nimrod certainly had some big balls!
Did you have a picture of your child on Santa's lap?
To celebrate Nimrods
birthday they used to feed babies to the fire. All those angels on the
tree represent dead babies that were murdered for Nimrod. Why he wears a
red suit- it represents fire so any one putting a baby on a fat mans
lap wearing a red suit is making their baby pass threw the fire!!!!
And of course, how can we forget Santa!
Santa is an anagram for Satan
The ironic thing is when these Armstrongites start spitting this stupidity it brings no one to the god they claim to follow. It turns people off. They are not performing a witness, they are not drawing anyone to Jesus Christ. They are doing nothing other than making themselves look stupid. But, maybe that is normal.....?
As if there were not enough for the brethren of The Restored Church of God to fret over already, inept amateur false prophet extraordinaire David C. Pack revealed the hidden evil of stars. No, not the astral bodies populating the universe, but the cartoony icons deceiving you from your refrigerator door.
Yes, we have really come to this, folks.
During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 484)” on December 9, David C. Pack laid the groundwork by reminding everyone just how yucky-poo Christmas is bla-bla-bla. On December 12, during Part 485, he exposed the long-secret dangers of five-pointed and six-pointed stars as symbols for Satan. Why else would anyone put a star atop their Christmas tree? "It's to honor the devil," as Nana and Papa used to say.
During Part 486 on December 16, Dave shined the light of knowledge upon the Jewish people, exposing the undeniable fact that they still worship Remphan today. Because he says so. And that is enough for the hireling enablers at Headquarters.
It feels like David C. Pack just discovered the Internet and is preaching information nobody else has ever looked up before. Or even put on a website for him to find it in the first place. What he preaches has been there for a long time, but he only recently discovered it. Therefore, it was time for his god to spread more conspiracy theories, now considered doctrine, to the brethren of The Restored Church of God.
David C. Pack’s Gallery of Stupid is busting at the seams with this one.
Go ahead and laugh. But remember…laughing is just what the devil wants.
**A special thank you to former RCG member Frank Kelley for providing the AI-generated concept art for exrcg.org.**
“The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 484)” on December 9, 2023, started out normally enough.
Part 484 – December 9, 2023
@ 00:00 I don’t usually say the number, but Part 484. We’re nearing the end. But every time I think there’s nothing else we can learn, then we do.
He even layered thirteen minutes' worth of more “proof" that Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is the Sixth King. Well, until he moonwalks all of this again. Dave never seems to settle on whether to take scissors or glue to his Bible and his notes from the previous week.
@ 04:55 He’s actually rebuilt the Russian economy to be an economy of war.
@ 05:21 …he cannot get out of the war. He’d be assassinated if he did.
@ 05:54 He the economy that's been built is so big (I wanna say this again, and I know what I'm talking about); it would crash his economy if the war ended suddenly. If he tried to stop it. He would literally never do this and expect to survive.
@ 08:06 I mean, he’s a type in many regards of Nebuchadnezzar, who apparently is gonna be a flatterer.
@ 08:44 He is a flatterer. He’s also (You know, the Seventh King is called a Little Horn). Putin’s 5’6 ½”. Napoleon was considered a shrimp and he was 5’8”. So, Putin is a very little man.There are things like that that go on and on and on…
Dave went on and on for another six minutes as if the more he talked, the more true it became that Vladimir Putin is the Sixth King of Revelation 17. Mark your calendars to see how long this interval lasts.
Dave enjoyed one of his favorite pastimes for this season: railing on the vile abomination known worldwide as Christmas. This was the first hint of what would come a few days later.
@ 1:01:53 In this time a year, that and, of course, they passing the plates and the Salvation Army and trying to get people to give and get in the Christmas Spirit which is utterly demonic and evil. But, people will give more so the pastors who love money can be, you know, buy their second or third home as so many of these the big guys do.
It will never be A Very Brady Christmas at the Headquarters Campus, especially now that Christmas is tied to the Star of Remphan.
Part 485 – December 12, 2023
@ 28:53 Remphan has a star, and it's six-sided. It's hexagonal. It is exactly the Star of David that has nothing to do with David. Or sometimes called Solomon’s Seal. It’s six-sided, and it's ancient, and you can go online and see a picture of the god Remphan sitting in the dead middle of what’s in the dead middle of the Israeli flag…but nobody ever looked it up.
Nobody ever looked it up except for the 28,000+ search results authors and the websites examining this topic. It is impossible for David C. Pack to speak the truth, even about the most minor matters. Lying is not just what he does. It is who he is.
@ 29:29 Saturn is the same god. Think Saturnalia and his hexagonal star, as well. So, whether you call him Chiun or Moloch or Remphan or Saturn or any number of other names, it’s the six-sided hexagon that we’re talking about.Six is the number of man and Satan.And Nebuchadnezzar, by the way. Mr. Armstrong long understood that.
The brethren of The Restored Church of God nervously went home on that New Moon and spied the trickster idols adorning their refrigerator door with newly opened eyes.
While researching the Star of Remphan, I found Dave’s sermon notes online. The details brought up during Part 485 are suspiciously similar to this website:
Taking someone else’s information and calling it your own without citing them as your source is called plagiarism, Dave.
@ 30:16 No one ever asked, Why did Stephen get murdered by Jews in reference to a star when [chuckles] no Christian had ever put a star on top of a Christmas tree? In fact, stars on top of Christmas trees are off of this star.
@ 31:29 That has nothing to do with Solomon’s Seal. Or the ancient King David. Star of David? That’s an absolute lie about David…would never have done that.
@ 31:47 Every Jew who wears that star (millions of them do) are honoring Saturn, Remphan, Moloch, and Chiun.
The poor souls in The Restored Church of God had to race home to check every drawer and cabinet in the house to clear away the artifacts of wickedness that had been hiding in plain sight. It was time to conduct a winter-themed deleavening of the kitchen again.
How many graded homework assignments were torn from the walls and burned in the fireplace?
The frantic parents had to write the teacher a stern note explaining their child must refrain from yet another seemingly innocent activity at school. It is satisfactory and preferred that praise be issued verbally without the need to introduce seductive physical elements into their child’s psyche.
In case you thought you had too much wax in your ears and Dave was not clear enough, Part 486 made his points even sharper.
Part 486 – December 16, 2023
@ 01:50 Well, the Jews worship Remphan and Chiun and Saturn and many others using the 6-sided star, which often depicts the devil. But, the devil is also depicted by the…5-pointed star on the back of this coin. So, Christians went with…5-points for the top of their Christmas trees, and so forth. The Jews went for the 6-sided, but it’s all Saturn, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, the sun, the moon, and so forth. Now, the brethren have never understood this. They never have.
Saturn, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus are planets. The moon is classified as a natural satellite. But we should not get bogged down with technical details.
@ 03:51 An absolute abomination. So, knowledge is precious.
I will let Dave crow for a bit longer before his I-Know-But-I-Really-Don’t legacy is exposed as another perfect failure.
@ 07:09 But, these are big things. The Mystery of God would not be understood if you didn’t know about these stars, for instance.
@ 1:27:25 It may not go well for a lotta ministers who teach people to wear a Star of Saturn who know they’re lying.
Based on Parts 484 and 485, no one in RCG can use this emoji anymore.
How many brethren scrolled through their phones to delete messages that were safe and innocent only ninety minutes ago? If you absentmindedly use a star icon in a group chat, you shall be reported to the local unpaid hireling post haste. RCG has implemented a zero-tolerance policy for serving Satan through innocuous iconography.
@ 34:45 Nobody knows any of this. But my job is to lay enough verses out that you can't miss it.
To correctly see what Dave missed, we need to read what the Bible says after Dave takes too much authority upon himself in 3…2…1…
@ 04:09 But this a lot a knowledge we're learning. It’s an absolute blasphemous abomination. It’s outright idolatry (straight up) for a person to wear a star of any kind.Or a cross.
It is such a shame this is no longer considered acceptable Sabbath attire in The Restored Church of God, even under your shirt.
Wearing a star is a sin, according to David C. Pack, since he alone has the guts to declare it so. One tiny little problem is the Bible disagrees with him. If only David C. Pack was not cursed with the most astonishingly epic piss-poor reading comprehension skills, at least one dart he throws might hit the board.
David C. Pack calls wearing stars idolatry. Is that true? The Second Commandment holds the answer.
Exodus 20:4-6
You shall not make unto yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them:for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
God is commanding everyone to not worship graven images. Having a plushie dolphin from Sea World on your desk is not idolatry. Licking a stamp is not idolatry. Wearing a hat with the Cleveland Browns logo on it is not idolatry. Storing a photo on your phone of your cat sleeping is not idolatry. (You are safe, Jessica.) None of that is idolatry.
Worshipping anything other than the True God in spirit is. Dave equated a star to the cross. Catholics worship before the crucifix. Jews do not worship the Israeli flag. Just like Americans do not worship ours. And nobody worships the star on their T-shirt.
David C. Pack utterly missed the point and botched it spectacularly. Nobody is entering the Lake of Fire for having hearts on their lunchboxes. Owning pajamas with stars on them does not mean parents are earmarking their children to serve the devil when the Man of Sin comes on the scene.
The Mark of the Beast is not placing a temporary star stamp on your hand and forehead. According to the Bible, unless you worship or serve your star-shaped cookie-cutter, you are A-Okay.
Parents of The Restored Church of God, please tell me you did not raid your house in a panicky, guilt-fueled fit to cleanse stars from your dwellings. Please let us all know that you under-reacted rationally and did not let pressure from a false teacher cause you to scrape the glow-in-the-dark decals off the bedroom ceiling until 3 AM.
Look, I am neither a minister nor a spiritual advisor, and I do not possess special knowledge. I am just an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic who owns a copy of eSword. If Exodus 20 did not spell it out for the Nervous Nellies in RCG, look at other verses that align perfectly.
Deuteronomy 4:19
And lest you lift up your eyes unto heaven, and when thou see the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, should be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD your God has divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Deuteronomy 17:3
And has gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven,which I have not commanded.
2 Kings 23:5
…them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
Amos 5:26
But you have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which you made to yourselves.
The issue repeated throughout the Bible is worshiping the images. Having a Buddha for a doorstop is not the same as burning incense and praying to it. Do not let David C. Pack’s corrupt mind corrupt yours.
The Bible warns about serving the sun, moon, and stars and not being dismayed at the signs of heaven. Why is David C. Pack so dismayed at the sun, moon, and stars and serving them by turning them into religious concepts?
He is all buggy about when a solar year starts. He is all buggy about inventing a ceremony on the New Moon. He is all buggy about stars being a symbol of Satan. David C. Pack is obsessed with the sun, moon, and stars. Literally.
It makes you wonder what spirit drives him. And what that says about the integrity of the hirelings in The Restored Church of God that put up with this with their silent compliance.
It is like David C. Pack is stuck in his early teens in his parents' basement, still playing Dungeons & Dragons. But he is the worst Bible & Prophecy Dungeon Master ever. He is totally off-guide, making things up as he goes along. He has constructed a detailed fantasy of nonsense that grows more ludicrous as time passes.
Yes, I still think Sacred Names are coming to The Restored Church of God. I could be wrong. Like I was wrong about Dave letting the brethren know all their field ministers have been cut off financially. By the way, they did not even wait until the new year to put that into effect.
Brethren need to read their Bibles carefully and hold their hirelings accountable. David C. Pack may get all starry-eyed with this wacky malarkey, but it does not need to make anyone else
The Winter Solstice slowly creeps upon the doorstep of David C. Pack. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God had been preaching for weeks that the Kingdom of God would arrive during sunrise in Jerusalem on Tevet 10 of the Hebrew Calendar.
Sunrise in Jerusalem on Tevet 10 is at 11:35 PM ET on December 21, 2023. Yes, that is tonight.
By the time warm sunshine glistens again upon the roof of David C. Pack’s brethren-funded ceiled home on the Headquarters Campus in Wadsworth, Ohio, nature and science will once again prove David C. Pack is a perfect failure. His Tevet 10 failure is only the latest on a long list of failures dating back to August 2013 when the Kingdom of God did not arrive on Elul 24. The one lesson the hireling enablers at The Restored Church of God learned after that was not to declare anything publicly. Dooh!
David C. Pack has a pristine record for perfect failure at everything his grubby little false prophet paws cling to. Whether it is a pagan holiday or Hebrew Holy Day, if you want someone to fail perfectly at it, just ask David C. Pack for the job. He will study the matter until the wee hours of the night and still get it wrong.
As with most “knowledge” spewed upon the brethren of The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack began to slowly soft-moonwalk his Tevet 10 convictions in meeker language than when he trumpeted it pounding on the table.
Starting in “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 484)” on December 9, 2023, the cracks in the ice for Tevet 10 began to appear.
Part 484 – December 9, 2023
@ 00:11 But we're right on time. Nothing's gonna change with timing from what you already know a week ago.
Wow, that sounds pretty certain. But then, twenty minutes later…
@ 21:11 Now, that means we may or may not know the date. We may or may not know the date. I’ve gone back and forth on this so much that I hafta [chuckles] hafta avoid getting saddle sores. I mean, it’s just it’s you we they [the disciples] couldn’t. We can. They couldn’t. We can’t. Certainly, nobody has known.
Dave keeps cutting out the “no man knows the day and hour” verses and gluing them back in. The man is unstable as water, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine that sails through his head. He further compounds his excuse without admitting what he is doing.
@ 21:48 Now, nothing has changed from the date a week ago. I’m not gonna change that. BUT, I wanna tell you some things that I kinda ran into. Starts with pretty much one thing, and I’m glad I did because it caused me to dig back in one more time to start to explore. Are we absolutely sure of Tevet 10?
Dave presents the same type of flowery story a 15-year-old would make standing in the kitchen with their head down after taking dad's car out for a joyride without permission and getting into an accident. Dave now miraculously sees the bright side of the situation and is glad it happened. Really?
The wishy-washy, always-guessing prophetic precisionish nature of The Restored Church of God must be maddening to those still there paying attention. However few of them there are.
After stating they “may not know” the date, Dave sucker punches the Jewish people to prove Tevet 10 could be the day. Did you know they have lied for thousands of years about the Feast of Trumpets being Rosh Hashanah?
Dave cracked the code of Ezekiel 40:1, and the world opened up.
Part 484 – December 9, 2023
@ 37:06 The Jews took this term (the only place it's in the Bible), and they knew it meant the first of the year. The first. And they and in a corrupt way (but at least with their correct understanding), they took it from a place they knew it didn't fit (or couldn't figure out how it fit), moved it about a hundred days to the start of Tishrei and said that Trumpets is Rosh Hashanah. It was a lie.
@ 38:01 Every Jew who's ever lived who said they're keeping Rosh Hashanah on Trumpets (doesn't know it) they are unwittingly participating in a lie. That’s just a fact.
In case you missed it, according to David C. Pack, Rosh Hashanah is NOT the Feast of Trumpets. It is Tevet 10.
@ 39:00 I know there iddn’t much time left, but don’t ever refer to Trumpets as Rosh Hashanah again. It’s a lie. It’s an absolute lie.
@ 39:18 …there is a start of a year that it is tied by God to the 10th day of the 10th month, which is in the dead of winter, and to the measuring of the Temple, which is what follows. Now, is that all an accident?
@ 39:45 The 10th of Tevet would only line up with December 21st every 19 years… Once every 19 years, it would line up. But, it’s a much, much greater odds than that that we could hit it right because it has to line up with the Winter Solstice on a Friday.
@ 40:29 So, we have to be very, very careful and treat this like the scriptural fine gold of Ophir. Is are do we have this right?
No. David C. Pack is a perfect failure. He did not have Tevet 10 right.
@ 1:04:49 Technically, all you really need on that subject is Rosh Hashanah, and its only place in the Bible. So, we’re getting ready to teach the world for the first time in a long, long time when the real Rosh Hashanah is. It appears to be the 10th day of the 10th month [Tevet 10].
Do not count on that making it to the public literature anytime soon. Dave may need to slowly moonwalk this Rosh Hashanah business while he sips his morning coffee tomorrow.
It only took three more days for Dave to throw serious water on the Tevet 10 fire.
Part 485 – December 12, 2023
@ 1:13:56 Have some ideas when this will be. But I’m not sure we’re gonna know the day. Lemme just tell ya that. I can just tell ya, do not go by Tevet 10. It could be Tevet 10, but Tevet 10 is cited at the end of the year. And if Tevet 10 is the end of the year, is God gonna do the next 1,007 years starting every month on the tenth of a month? Does anybody think that?
@ 1:14:36 …are we are we are we right in the wrong way? Maybe. Maybe.
And another four days to squeeze this out.
Part 486 – December 16, 2023
@ 06:52 But there are other great things we don’t know. Two out of four of them we’re going to learn tonight. One more (I hope) midweek and one more next Sabbath. So, “Uh oh. Mr. Pack thinks we’ve got that long.” Well, yes, I do. So, I guess if that’s a clue, then I let it out.
The “clue” is that he was already planning to speak on December 23. Tevet 10 ends on December 22. At least, we know nobody at Headquarters was going to hold their breath until Friday morning.
David C. Pack was too much of a coward to admit just how wrong he had been. His ego cannot allow himself to see what a perfect failure he has become. He knew nothing would happen on Tevet 10 and was not man enough to just say so. Instead, he dropped hints and left clues for the brethren to ponder.
Alas, the idea of Tevet 10 started with such hope and zeal.
Part 482 – November 30, 2023
@ 1:42:45 Three weeks from today. Tevet 10 has to be in the Kingdom. There is no possible way there’s no possible way that the Kingdom can come after Tevet 10.
Part 483 – December 2, 2023
@ 53:27 …slow and easy. We’re gonna see if we can prove in absolute terms that we are waiting for the 10thday of the 10th month [Tevet 10].
@ 1:09:58 …so it’s the 10th day of Tevet to be “the selfsame day.” It has to be Tevet 10. It has to be Tevet 10, or Jeremiah lied. Or he's a false prophet.
@ 1:35:11If I’m gonna be faithful to God’s word, I have to be able to say I’m wrong.
A lot was riding on tonight. But instead of thunderous certainty, the brethren were left stale breadcrumbs to figure out for themselves whether tonight was a “go” or not.
These victory laps proved to be embarrassingly premature.
Part 482 – November 30, 2023
@ 01:09 After eight years, there it was. The problem becomes when the final correct picture emerges…the whole Bible lines up around it [chuckles]..because everything lines up and lined up suddenly in a way I never expected.
Part 483 – December 2, 2023
@ 1:11:39 I never could get it right, but I was right that we would someday…we would.
No. David C. Pack will never get it right because he only knows how to create perfect failure.
Covetous Third Tithe Thief David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar who promotes antichrist theology. He is a false teacher, false apostle, and false prophet. Tevet 10 is only his most recent perfect failure and will not be his last.
One other failure on the horizon is The Restored Church of God as an organization. Their financial peril is hush-hush internally but visible to those watching. The announcement that all field ministers have been removed from receiving compensation is the newest indicator of their desperation.
They will hold off on selling homes along Hartman Road for as long as possible. It would be interesting to see what happens when they try to sell one for too much too late. They might unwittingly make things worse. Let God’s will be done in this matter.
The blame for all the financial distress The Restored Church of God currently faces rests solely on the shoulders of a self-proclaimed "businessman" who thinks he knows better than everyone else. David C. Pack is the author of his own destruction. His perfect failures stretch far and wide.
He chose to refinance the buildings over and over and to invest that equity back into the Campus rather than grow the church. The Headquarters Campus does not generate revenue. It siphons it. Trees, gardens, and lakes do not recruit new Common payers. Yet, David C. Pack decided to spend the hard-earned money of faithful brethren on Campus "improvements" like acquiring the $500k property on Akron Road because he despised how the previous owners maintained their lawn.
He chose to end the World to Come program in 2017 because he was “too busy” unsealing Daniel ad nauseam and ending the perpetual Mystery of God. Now, David C. Pack has grown too accustomed to sitting in a comfy chair blathering for hours. He never has to do any real work in the organization. He lets Brad Schleifer handle that.
David C. Pack is a lazy man. He is a professional student surviving off a grant who never has to produce results in order to get paid. His meandering thesis is being ever-written and will never be completed.
That is the scam of The Restored Church of God.
He chose to stop promoting the literature because he knows it is woefully out-of-date and refuses to take the time to keep it current. His prophetic understanding changes week by week, and putting that in print is a fool's errand. But they could at least try. I mean, does Edward Winkfield really have anything else better to do? What other departments can he help sink over there?
Even if RCG gets new people in the door, there is the sticker shock of the doctrinal bait-and-switch when earnest people trying to figure out where God is working realize “what Mr. Pack teaches” when you sit down behind closed doors is wildly different than what is in the books, booklets, and videos.
In the real world, that is called fraud. In The Restored Church of God, that is called the revealing of knowledge to God's only living apostle. But I call that another element in David C. Pack's perfect failure.
The Problem with Bob Thiel is he's a novice when it comes to Africa; he doesn't know a thing about how the Africans can Manipulate the Whites or Muzungu as they call us; especially if you want to set up church here.
Bob Thiel has only been here I think twice in Africa; I believe Nairobi holding a conference with Church leadership. I've been here now for the fourth time and I can tell you truly, the only reason Bob Thiel has a presence in Africa is because it's mainly about Money and support, especially the financial backing of his African Ministry.
The truth Bob doesn't realize or if he does - shame on him, is say Bob Thiel sends $5,000 for the Feast of Tabernacles in Malawi, his trusted and loyal minister Radson Mulozowa will be very excited as most likely close to 3/4 of that money will go into Radsons personal pocket and the people for whom the money was intended will never see it. This is a fact Bob Thiel doesn't acknowledge, and if he does secretly, then shame on him.
CCOG is sadly run this way as there aren't any checks or balances in anything related to funds sent to Africa. Bob relies on one man to have complete control of his African funding and has admitted to me and Aleksander Veljic, that Evans will have no problem taking Money; he even warned Aleksander not to tell Evans Ocheing that money was given to him for his visit to Africa.
I know when I arrived to Africa the first thing Evans requested of me was funds, I was not privy to that. It's a fact my being here for 4 times now, I can attest to the mentality of the Africans, we the Muzungu have unlimited money to give and they know how to play the manipulation game. So, when a certain man got Bob Thiel numbers through promise of support and leadership salaries, the numbers miraculously grew, Evans knows what Bob wants and that is numbers, and with 10 -20,000 pumped every month to one Man, that is possible.
Bob Thiel admits in his own writings he's the fastest growing ExWCG church of God, this is only possible in Africa at large because of his financial paying off in way of good salaries and siphoning of Funds.
CCOG doesn't own any halls or churches in Africa that I know of. What does this mean? It means if CCOG sends funds to build a Hall, immediately a good portion goes to the man that receives that money, then the next man in charge of getting the supplies gets his cut, so then the project is underfunded, no one on the ground to check how the money was spent. These are facts one has to face when dealing with the Africans. Ask any Muzungu down here or a real converted African Christian who believes in the Word of God, they all say the same thing, it is a fact!!!!!!
So what did Bob accomplish in building these Churches? He provides a way for the African ministry to siphon off extra money for themselves and if that minister or persons own the land where that church is built, guess what, Bob Thiel just built a private church for the man or men that the church rests on. CCOG doesn't have any control over that Church or land anymore as CCOG doesn't own it, so that leads to the obvious train of thought; God forbid that the persons or person owning that property decides to leave, or that man or leader in that church is an evil shepherd! What can Bob do, but only to comply as CCOG doesn't own it.
The Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God owns legally all our properties in Africa because we're also legally registered. If a Minister or leader is no good, we have nothing over our heads to be swayed by. We also bought farmland to develop. CCOG doesn't own anything that I know of. That my friends is poor mismanagement of Tithe Payer's money. Also, we won't be publishing any numbers here in Africa until our Congregations down here are self-sufficient and actually contributing to the Church, We want to change things in Africa, it can be done, but it's worth it, and more exciting news to come in the next few weeks.
As longtime readers of this blog know, I have written a number of posts over the years that were very critical of the “headline theology” and “warning messages” of the Armstrong Churches of God. Indeed, since the founding of the movement by Herbert Armstrong, the preaching has focused on relating current events and trends to biblical prophecy. To be more precise, Armstrong and his followers have focused on the most troublesome headlines reported by the various news media and portrayed them as manifestations of God’s wrath - predicted long ago in the pages of the Bible. In other words, they have always trafficked in FEAR! It has been (and is) the principal hook and calling card of their outreach to the public.
Of course, I am certainly not the first person who has noticed this fearmongering as being such a prominent feature of the Armstrong Churches of God. The Painful Truth blog recently reran an article originally published in Penthouse magazine back in 1977! The article, GTA - Prophet of Doom by Roger N. Williams, presented a well-balanced and well-written portrayal of Garner Ted Armstrong’s preaching style and content (At the time, he was still the face of the radio and television programs of the now defunct Worldwide Church of God). In the opening paragraph, Williams described GTA as a “media superstar” who “has discovered the profit of fear.”
He went on to say: “He’s the Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse, Fear, spreading his warning of the Coming End across the airwaves to 50 million people every week and telling of The Wonderful World Tomorrow that will follow the nuclear obliteration mankind is about to bring upon itself.” Later in the article, he quoted one of Garner Ted’s aides as characterizing the Church’s message as: “The good news is that Christ is coming back. The bad news is that he’s pissed off.” In reading through the article, I found myself repeatedly thinking about the oft repeated truism that “some things never change.”
For me, Williams’ evaluation of GTA and his messaging was fair and evenhanded. He did, for example, compliment GTA’s “booming golden voice.” He also described the Ambassador College campus in Pasadena as beautiful, handsomely appointed, and a “small Eden.” Williams even credited GTA and the Church for their early and thoughtful warnings about environmental damage. However, he also pointed out that this coverage wasn’t offered in the hope of correcting bad behaviors (like polluting), “but only to show that until Jesus gets here, we’re going to continue to make a mess out of things.” In other words, even the good stuff was meant to contrast with just how bad things actually were in the larger world!
Williams also pointed out that the Worldwide Church’s commentary was NOT always unbiased and objective. He observed that “The Plain Truth is largely a right-wing propaganda outlet. Articles rail against ‘the twisted ideology’ of the women’s movement, stating that the letters Ms. should stand for ‘Marxist sisters’. It denounces pornography as ‘an ideal weapon employed by our enemies to weaken Western civilization’. Garner Ted has looked like a liberal when he’s taken stands against ‘the death of the oceans’ or ‘aerosol Armageddon’ or the American SST. But in his column and occasional articles that appear in each issue, he is happier campaigning against European unity, which he believes threatens United States interests and is the fulfillment of the prophesied resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire. He bewails America’s ‘isolationist attitudes’ and fears that the CIA exposés will weaken our country and the CIA. He vehemently and consistently supported the Vietnam War, right up to the fall of Saigon, fearing at the end that his big ‘World Tomorrow Campaign’ planned for Bangkok would be eclipsed by invading North Vietnamese troops. And despite his strong, if abstract, denunciations of world militarism, he whole heartedly supports a strong American military machine…” Hmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like some of the current messaging from the Armstrong Churches of God!
Yes, some things never change! The ACOG’s continued attachment to the discredited teaching that the English-speaking peoples of the Earth are the descendants of the ancient Israelites continues to pervert their understanding of biblical prophecy, and the “warning” message which flows from it. Unfortunately, the right-wing commentary of the current ACOGs is just as biased and irrelevant as the commentary offered in times past by Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong. The fact is that this messaging is inconsistent with the commission Christ gave to his disciples (Matthew 28:19-20), and it doesn’t provide any reliable insights about what is going to happen next (other than Jesus will return someday, and God’s Kingdom will eventually envelope the entire Earth).
No, the New Testament canon makes very clear that Christians should NOT allow themselves to be motivated by fear. Paul told the Romans that God hadn’t given them a Spirit of slavery to fear, but one that instills confidence in their new role as God’s children because of what Christ had done for them (Romans 8). Likewise, in his first epistle, John wrote that “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.” (I John 4:18) Christ and his apostles brought the “Good News” about what Christ was doing/had done for humankind – a message of hope and love for a weary world. In other words, it did not resemble the gloom and doom of the messaging of the Armstrong Churches of God!
Never underestimate the mind of a delusional Church of God false prophet, particularly when it comes to the improperly named "continuing" Church of God movement and its Great Bwana to Africa and 100 Caucsaisns, Bob Thiel. Over the last 13 or so years the Great Bwana has taken upon himself all kinds of Biblical names of men he thinks he is comparable to. The only ones in the list below that he has not compared himself to yet are the women, though knowing Bob he will soon have a dream and claim he carries the "spiritual" virtues of Deborah and other strong women. As a weak man and weak church leader, it is important to embrace the strong men and women of the Bible to look more righteous, though in this case, it does NOT work.
Bwana Bob has told us repeatedly that he is the modern-day: "Abraham, Job, Moses, Deborah, Samuel, David, Nathan, Ahijah, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Obadiah, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, John the Baptist, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude". Who wants to take bets that he will soon declare himself as a type of Christ?
In Acts 3:19-21, the Apostle Peter stated that restoration (apocatastasis) was “spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophet.” Do you know what the prophets spoke about this? In this eighth part of an eight-part sermon series on God’s plan to offer salvation to all, Dr. Thiel reads quotes and references from many prophets including Abraham, Job, Moses, Deborah, Samuel, David, Nathan, Ahijah, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Obadiah, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, John the Baptist, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, and Jesus Himself. Do you believe the prophets? Do you have faith in the word of God and His plan? Can the lost be saved? Understand what the word of God teaches.
For quite some time now the greatest Church of God prophet and leader in the history of humanity has had. a deep crush on Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg from Germany. That alone should tell you all you need to know when a COG prophet utters the word Germany you immediately see visions of concentration camps and jack-booted armies destroying the United States, Canada, and England. It is the ultimate wet dream of the degenerate COG false prophets. Nothing gets these little fools off more than sadistic violence and torture that they need to see happen to all who refuse to heed their idiotic utterances.
The three biggest loudmouths in the Church of God movements that hyperventilate over Germany are Gerald Weston of the Living Church of God, Gerald Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God, and our highly favored but itty-bitty prophet the Great Bwana to Africa, and 100 Caucasians Bob Thiel of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God.
When God was creating the prophet that would arise to warn the world when the end was nigh, he inculcated in its mind the name Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. Once this greatest prophet in the history of Christianity arrived on the scene, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg began to occupy his mind in fantastical dreams and hallucinations.
The Great Bwana envisions Guttenberg rising up in power as the soon-coming Beast of Revelation and leading an army that will besiege Jerusalem and hop over the ocean to slaughter Americans and but the rest in concentration camps.
The itty-bitty Great Bwana read an article about Guttenberg where he said that he had no desire to continue on politics. The Great BWaan was highly disturbed by his comments:
Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg: I have made peace with my failure at the time
The new Guttenberg writes openly about his weaknesses and insecurities, yes you have admitted: “I am no stranger to depression either.” And you admit: “I was mercilessly overestimated.”
Guttenberg: Everything is correct. The following applies to my texts and statements: I try to reveal weaknesses authentically and without coquetry. This consequently includes fears and aspects of my mental life. …
You also seem to have treated yourself to some extent with self-irony.
Guttenberg (laughs): Oh yes! What could be better than laughing at yourself! That just makes life more fun. And there really are plenty of reasons to make fun of yourself. A few days ago I was at a panel discussion where a professor said she wrote her doctoral thesis about failure. In a rare moment of repartee, I replied: “And I failed my doctoral thesis.” We all had a hearty laugh. …
Does the intensive contact with the left Gysi make you move politically to the left?
Guttenberg: I am difficult to place politically. I’m not a classic conservative. I feel at home in the political center. Sometimes I identify with more left-wing and sometimes with conservative attitudes. I will no longer allow myself to be forced into a camp. …
At 51, you seem at peace with yourself after a long up and a crashing down. Have you become a completely relaxed person or is there also a show involved?
Guttenberg: I have arrived at my place. My well-being no longer depends on the applause or goodwill of others. But one thing challenges my composure: I’m worried about the tone, also the unforgiveness in our society, this absolute will to immediately deliver the next verbal, devastating blow. …
What Bwana Bob Conveniently leaves out is the rest of the comment
Some of your readers on LinkedIn want nothing more than for Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg politics returns to the circus of
Guttenberg: Why should I? My time is over.
Then at the end of the article, there is this:
The Irish poet Samuel Beckett wrote: “Try again. Fail again. Fail better.” Is “Fail better” the life motto of Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg?
Guttenberg: In the end, this insight from Beckett is a cipher for the art of leading a better life. Such a life can only be achieved if you make peace with yourself and your surroundings and become a forgiving person. I can gain a lot from Beckett’s insight. Many people used to see me as something I wasn’t. They projected something into me that didn’t exist in me.
People believed that as a dashing, young nobleman they could save Germany, and they were even believed to be able to, Angela Merkel to be replaced as Chancellor. There was a lot of hype about you.
Guttenberg: It was sometimes bizarre what people projected into me.
Of course, the Great Bwana KNOWS otherwise, but to make sure he covers his ass, he makes this statement:
Maybe he is out, maybe he is not.
Why are COG prophets such wish-washy bumbling idiots? Can they ever take a stand on anything?
While he has been officially out of politics for some time, he has stayed connected to it.
As far as him making peace with his plagiarism scandal, Herr Guttenberg later went to another university and got another doctorate. From a political perspective that at least shows he has the intellect to attain a doctorate.
Dr. Guttenberg is currently somewhat of a political commentator, which means that he still has involvement and that he reaches people on a regular basis with his political views.
Now, the Bible tells about a leader who was once disgraced that prophesied to rise up:
21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)
21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)
So, someone who is disgraced is prophesied to rise up and be the final King of the North of Bible prophecy.
Should we count Herr Guttenberg out because of his comments in the interview?
Well, I am hesitant to do so as politicians have long been known to change their minds when crises or opportunities arise.
He rose quickly once and may very well do so again.
