False Prophet Calls Dave Pack A False Prophet And Gives Him A Dire Warning!

I just love it when hypocritical, self-serving, self-appointed false prophets in the Church of God get all prissy and call other COG leaders false prophets. They seem to forget that the very verses they lob as grenades against their competition apply directly to them.

Bob Thiel condemned himself whith this:

David Pack has been in my prayers for spiritual reasons.

I have long felt that the following also applied to David Pack:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3) 

 

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. (2 Peter 2:12-14) 

 

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. (2 Peter 2:18-20) 

 

While I wish David Pack no ill, and am praying for his health, I pray he and those with him will open their eyes and see the truth.

Oh, wait, is Dave supposed to repent and move over to the improperly named  "continuing Church of God, where the only truth is being preached? Hilarious, especially in light of the above-posted scriptures that damn Bob Thiel! 

News Flash: Dave Pack: Health Issue Scare - Requests Prayers

 

News Flash August 30, 2025
David C. Pack’s Health Prayer Request

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God admitted his health struggles to the brethren during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 592)” on August 23, 2025. The 76-year-old Pastor General explained the issues with his heart and being exhausted by preaching, and requested prayers from the church.

This admission counters his previous statements when he boasted about how good his health was, and also exposes his comments over the years about why he sits at a table while preaching.

David C. Pack has a history of hiding his medical problems from the brethren. He verbally hid his struggles with tachycardia, even though the symptoms on his face during that time showed the truth.

At Headquarters, he was open about how he saw sickness as “weakness” and believed it was a result of a hidden sin. The medical issues of others were repulsive to him. He shamed employees for needing to take time off work to get better and even told an elderly woman suffering from the initial stages of Parkinson’s to hide her shaking hand while in his presence. “Mr. Pack gets mad when he sees my hand shake,” she told me.

When Dave contracted COVID-19 after mocking brethren in the Living Church of God for wearing face masks and not singing during the Feast of Tabernacles in 2019, Bradford Schleifer was compelled to mislead the church by saying, “Mr. and Mrs. Pack are fine,” to hide Headquarters’ embarrassing little secret. Weeks later, David C. Pack spun his illness as biblical and likened himself to Ezekiel being locked in his house so he could have time to refine his prophetic understanding.

Known to former Headquarters members and now documented in public, David C. Pack also said he “had no life” and “this is all I do.” Perhaps realizing he is a false prophet, false apostle, and false teacher is just around the corner. But do not count on it.

Marc Cebrian

exrcg.org

 

Why are COG Groups Doubling Down On "Heeding Wise Counsel" From The Ministry?

Why has there been such an emphasis lately in various Churches of God concerning members submitting to authority? Is something big about to explode again, or do certain COG leaders feel they no longer have control over members? Are members thinking for themselves?

Doug Winnail says:

Are You Easily Entreated? 

 

The Apostle James describes a Christian who uses God’s Spirit as “peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated” (James 3:17, King James Version) or “peaceable, gentle, open to reason” (Modern English Version). Such individuals will not erupt with anger or indignation if someone questions their actions, opinions, or decisions. They will not be so convinced that their own ideas or actions are right that they are unwilling to listen to advice from others. Solomon wrote that “the way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise” (Proverbs 12:15). Solomon made numerous references to the value of listening to counsel (e.g. Proverbs 19:20, 27; 22:17). A true Christian who is led by God’s Spirit will be approachable, teachable, and conciliatory (1 Timothy 3:2–7; Galatians 6:16). Let’s strive toward this goal!
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

Imagine Being So Fearful Of Your Salvation That You Have To Reach Out To A Splinter Cult Leader For Advice

Armstrongism has bred a large number of codependents in the church who are so addicted to the beliefs of Armstrongism that they cannot make a personal decision about which Church of God to join without going to one of the wackiest splinter cult leaders in the church for advice. 

Church members have been taught, thanks to the perverse "church government" teaching, that ministers are there to make your decisions for you. Making your own personal decisions is treading in dangerous waters and will possibly lead one away from the "truth" and into a different church or even apostasy. UCG recently reinforced this belief when they said that ministers are there for correct advice.

Ever since the Worldwide Church of God imploded into an appalling mishmash of hundreds of splinter groups, members' secure worlds have been ripped apart. Fearful that they see their salvation slipping away, they reach out to various whack-a-doodle church leaders for advice.

This brings us to today, when our resident whack-a-doodle and self-appointed false prophet posted a letter he "claims" was written by a concerned COG member to him about which COG to join. They cannot make a decision because they admit they are so easily deceived.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOME ISSUES OF MR. …. BELIEF AND APPARENTLY YOU DON’T AGREE WITH. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY OF THESE CHURCHES AGREE WITH OTHER SO WHO DO YOU GO WITH? … 

 

SOME OF GERALD FLURRY’S TEACHINGS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND HE’S GONE FAR OUT ON SOME THINGS SUCH AS ARMSTRONG’S STONE REPLACING JACOB’S. MANY, MANY PLACES IN THE BIBLE STATES THAT CHRIST IS THAT ROCK AND IT’S SPIRITUAL. CHRIST DOESN’T NEED A ROCK. FLURRY BASED HIS THEORY ON THE IDEA THAT COME KIDS STOLE JACOB’S ROCK FROM ENGLAND. THAT’S AMAZING SINCE IT WEIGHS OVER 350 LBS. I’VE READ OTHER LITERATURE THAT THE STONE IS STORED IN SCOTLAND.FALSE PREACHER #1 

 

I SAW A DAVID PACK SERMON ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THE 2 WITNESSES . HE SAID THAT THEY ARE IN HIS CHURCH RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE HE’S NOW PULLED THAT SERMON BECAUSE I COULDKN’T FIND IT NOW. FALSE PREACHER #2 

 

I SAW A SERMON BY THE LIVING CHURCH OF GOD ABOUT THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE PRESENTER SAID WITHOUT HESITATION THAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS SUNDAY WORSHIP. PERIOD.. HE MADE NO MENTION OF ANY MARKS ON YOUR BODY OR 666. SABBATH MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER FACTORS. YOU LEFT BECAUSE OF DOCTRINE. I’LL ????????? …. 

 

NOW I COME TO … A FALSE TEACHER … 

 

YOU SEE HOW A PERSON COULD BE DECEIVED? 

 

PLEASE ADVISE 

 

Imagine being this helpless! Yet, they were able to see that Flurry and Pack are lying frauds and yet they are so immobilized by fear that they cannot make a decision on what to do, so they reach out to the biggest liar and fraud of them all, the Great Bwana Bob Thiel, for wise counsel.

God's greatest gift to the Churches of God had this as his response:

Dear …: 

 

As I have repeatedly written at COGwriter, I doubt that David Pack or Gerald Flurry are converted. 

 

I consider that the only COG that is Philadelphian is the CCOG–though not all in CCOG are Philadelphian and there are Philadelphians not in CCOG–but no other COG represents the continuation of Philadelphia. 

 

You should use God’s criteria, and none other to decide. 

 

Here are two links you should read and pray about if you are truly serious: 

 

How does the Continuing Church of God differ from other Sabbatarian COG groups?

Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18? 

 

But most refuse to believe and use their own standards.
Best regards,
Bob Thiel 

 

The Great Bwana feels that most COG members are too stupid to use the right criteria in determining which COG to join:

Many have been confused and used the wrong criteria to assess churches. 

 

Sadly, in the end time, in Revelation 3:14-19 Jesus revealed that even most real Christians would use their criteria, not God’s as they would be part of the “people decide” churches (which is basically what Laodicea means). 

 

P.S. The same former WCG member sent me a follow-up email after I posted this. Here is some of what he wrote (Note: This is a different Mr. … in a different COG than the one alluded to above):

ALSO, I’M NOT HAPPY WITH … IN THIS RESPECT—–I’VE BEEN IN THE CHURCH FOR A WHILE AND ONE OF THE 1ST THINGS I NOTICED IS THAT THEY HAVE LEFT OUT 1/3RD OF THE BIBLE AND THAT PERTAINS TO PROPHECY. I KNOW THIS PANDEMIC CAUGHT THEM UNAWARE AS MR. … DIDN’T CALL FOR A PRAYER AND FAST INTIL THE PANDEMIC WAS IN FULL FORCE. SOME WATCHMAN 

 

I WROTE A PERSONAL LETTER TO MR. … ADVISING HIM THAT ALL SCRIPTURE IS TO BE TAUGHT, AND HE NEEDS TO CRY OUT AND SPARE NOT. THE LATEST ISSUE OF OUR MAGAZINE FINALLY WOKE THEM UP AS THERE WERE SEVERAL MEANINGFUL ARTICLES REGARDING THE TIMES AND PROPHECY ALSO, HE SAID THAT THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB IN BEING A WATCHMAN. THIS IS THE 1ST TIME IN 25 YEARS THAT THEY STARTED TO WAKE UP ON PROPHECY. 

 

It is really sad that church members look at ministers and church leaders for advice on prophecy when, for over 80 years now, the church and its leaders have been 100% wrong! Not one single prophecy has ever come true. Yet, even with this dismal track record lying at their feet, they continue to place their faith in theologically bankrupt leaders who continue to lead them astray. 

Instead of placing their faith in Jesus, the one they SHOULD be following, they run to these whack-a-doodle lying false prophets for advice.

 

I, Dr Bob Thiel - Am The Greatest - blah, blah, blah...

The worlds greatest theologian and the only Church of God leader carrying on Herbert Armstrong's message in this dark and dying world, is back once again tooting his little horn about how magnificent he is. 

We are not worthy!

Consider also the following from Herbert W. Armstrong’s last letter before he died:

It may be that the Work that God has given me to do is complete, but not the Work of God’s Church, which will be faithfully doing God’s Work till Christ, the True Head of this Church, returns…Remember brethren, this is not the work of Herbert W. Armstrong…The greatest work lies ahead…Never before in the history of the Church has it been possible to reap so great a harvest. It has only been made possible through modern technology, beginning with the printing press, radio, television...Each of you must commit yourself to support God’s Work…God’s work must push ahead as never before. God is opening up new doors in television (Letter, 1/10/86).

Actually, those new doors for television have included the internet, which allows videos as well as online radio.

Another new door has been being a radio guest.

As long-term readers are aware, I, Dr. Bob Thiel a.k.a. COGwriter, have frequently been a radio guest. After being so over 230 times, the time seemed right for the CCOG to sponsor our own programs.

Prior to that, CCOG Overseer Samuel Ofosu from Ghana had already doing a COG-sponsored radio program. We also have CCOG radio presenters in Kenya.

Plus, in New Zealand, Shirley Gestro helped handling our Bible News Prophecy online radio channel. Various men in CCOG have been on it. This is another way we reach people.

We also have a Bible News Prophecy International radio platform. This has links to our non-English language online radio station as well as materials in multiple languages. Kristy Gorman oversees this.

We reach people all around the world from the online radio program.

But we are also on commercial broadcast stations in North America, Africa, and Europe. Plus, we are on shortwave broadcasters that are based in the USA and Europe which, together, cover much of the entire world.

Another “new door” in television has been my appearing 33 times this year as a guest on a podcast program, almost all of which had video as well as audio).

Radio and the internet are two mass-media “doors” we are using to work to fulfill Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19-20, while also working towards part of the fulfillment of Romans 11:25.

And we in the CCOG have been greatly reaching Gentiles–around the world, but mainly in Africa, Latin America (in person, but also with online sermons and sermonette videos), and Asia, but also in Europe and elsewhere.

Because of our high percentage of Gentile brethren in poorer regions of the world, we have much lower income than groups with as many congregants as we have.

Yet, we still seem to have a greater radio presence than any other true Church of God Christian group at this time.

Does that make sense to you?

If you are a Philadelphian Christian, it should. 

Consider that most, even in the Church of God, will not believe the message of the work, even though they were told and could see the truth if they were willing. 

Thanks to Rod Meredith and the Living Church of God members publicly denouncing you as a false prophet, fraud, and a narcissist, it is no wonder the entire Church of God movement has turned its back on you and laughs at your endless foibles. 

 

Crackpot Prophet Now Being Persecuted In Canada! Oh Noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Poor Bwana Bob, he has worked tirelessly spreading himself thin around the world as the world's most important Church of God to ever exist, and now, some nare-do-well is taking funds from him! The Great Bwana's ministry is one big hot mess.

Fake in Canada
We have long warned about various fakes on the internet pretending to be related to the Continuing Church of God and/or some of its leadership. 

 

Well, the latest fake we became aware of was from a website in Canada. The website is part of https://mycharityfund.ca. While the mycharityfund.ca is a legitimate company, someone pretended to be the Continuing Church of God there. It listed the late Herb Haddon as a contact along with his last valid address. However, it listed a website in Canada that does not exist, nor has mycharityfund.ca ever given the Continuing Church of God any funds.

Bob Thiel's African Mess - Lies, Lies, and More Lies

 

Sadly, Bob Thiel is completely in the dark when it comes to Charms and Witchcraft practiced by his top clergy in Africa. It's hypocrisy for him to write such articles and ignore his own Den of Demons. 

BOB I KNOW YOU READ THIS BLOG. LISTEN AND LISTEN WELL. 

All that you believe about Africa is a lie and a scam. An example, today I received a call from Forester in Malawi. Radson had called John Machemba and was questioning him about certain things, and saying BOB is putting pressure on me with questions. Radson is worried he will be found out, but Bob, the truth is right in front of you, but you refuse to believe, because you can't accept the truth that your whole African Church is not what you think. 

An example of your gullibility or don't-care attitude. Forester has obtained your Facebook messages from Radson's ex-wife, where she's telling you the truth about Radson and his current wife, and you don't even believe it's Priscilla you're talking to. You believed Radson when he supposedly had you talk to Priscilla. Why didn't you verify it was Priscilla through a Video Call? 

The Woman you talked to wasn't Priscilla. I've seen Priscilla many times- she can't hardly speak English, but I can tell what her voice sounds like because I know her well, can you? You should have video verified it, but you didn't. 

Another big lie Radson told you was about Louis Wahela. You think he's been with the CCOG since you published that article in December 2023 in the letter to the Brethren, and you believe he wrote that letter to you. He can't even speak or write English in the manner that you received. RADSON WROTE IT!!! 

THAT picture you saw was obtained because Radson gave Wahela some small funds and fanta, that's all. 

Louis Wahela never left Hope of Israel, nor did Chipangwa. We have proof on all this and so much more. 

Another example you got scammed on is believing Evans' story about John Machemba. John was bribed by Evans and Radson that day to tell lies about Forester and the number of Feast attendees in Hope. John has already given his testimony to our lawyers and the court about what happened, and also the video that was taken. John wasn't aware of it, and that's a crime according to our lawyers. We are considering taking legal action against Evans and Radson for this alone, if you keep having Evans and Radson bribing our people!!!! 

Also, Evans gave money to John the last time he saw him. John denies that letter you published not too long ago. All you're getting from Evans and Radson are lies, period!!!!! Radson spoke to Forster today and was bad-mouthing Sosten to him. Radson even asked Forster to join him; however, Forster flatly refused, as he knew the treachery of Radson. I'm sorry things had to work out this way, but I couldn't be part of the CCOG and know what I know, and you not caring to defend the truth. My family and couldn't stomach that garbage. If you want proof, I can give you Forester's app number. MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES. Terry Nelson

Should YouTrust The Words Of Your Leadership Just As Much As You Trust God? UCG Thinks You Should.

Nathan Albright has posted another letter addressing an issue in the United Church of God. UCG recently sent out a letter to its members telling them that they need to trust God, but also to trust the authority figures of the church, regarding them as reliable sources of information, while mistrusting unreliable sources such as AI.

A church-wide message was distributed across all congregations, framed around the theme of trusting God. While the primary message appeared routine and uncontroversial, the inclusion of offhand remarks about trusting authority figures, regarding them as reliable sources of information, and mistrusting artificial intelligence (AI) has puzzled many members. This paper examines the likely purposes behind such a coordinated message, the possible institutional concerns it signals, and the range of congregational responses to its delivery.

It is all well and good that UCG tells its followers to trust in God. As a church, that should be its mission. The problem is, and this is not unique just to UCG, they also ask members to trust authority figures as if they can do no wrong, after all, ministers are the earthly appointed spokespersons for God here on earth and can make no mistakes. Even if they did, on the rare occasion, make a "mistake," you are bound to heed what they say because you are under church government. Even if they are grossly wrong, you must do what they say, and God will bless you later for doing so. That perverse reasoning was preached too long in the COG movement.

Albright continues:

The subtle encouragement to “trust authority” suggests an institutional aim beyond spiritual exhortation. Such phrasing may be an attempt to counteract growing skepticism of leadership or outside information sources. In a time when many members receive news and perspectives from digital media—including AI-generated material—church leaders may feel the need to reestablish themselves as the authoritative interpreters of truth.

UCG's fear of AI is also interesting:

The warning about AI indicates institutional anxiety about its influence. AI tools can produce sermons, generate theological interpretations, and aggregate information more quickly and diversely than traditional church channels. By framing AI as untrustworthy, leadership may be attempting to limit competing sources of authority, guarding against members substituting algorithmic outputs for pastoral or organizational guidance. 

 

It is pretty telling that members can search AI for all kinds of religious perspectives, and it generally lays out a lot of good information that many times refutes the Old Covenant ways of UCG—and THAT is something they cannot stand.

Albright also questions if this might be a preemptive strike about upcoming issues the church may be facing.

A preemptive, broad message might also be designed to manage potential crises. If there are internal disputes, rumors, or controversies circulating—perhaps amplified online—the uniform call to “trust” leadership and dismiss external information channels functions as a stabilizing signal. It tells members where loyalty and interpretive reliance should lie.

 Albright lists these congregational responses:

3. Likely Range of Congregational Responses 

3.1 Acceptance
Some members will take the message at face value, finding it a harmless or helpful reminder about trust in God. The comments on authority may blend seamlessly into their preexisting trust in church leadership. 

 

3.2 Confusion
A significant group, as you noted, is puzzled. They may interpret the authority and AI comments as tangential, odd, or unnecessary, and question why this was considered important enough to broadcast universally. 

 

3.3 Suspicion
Some may interpret the message as a defensive maneuver—signaling insecurity within leadership or anticipating a challenge to authority. To them, the remarks may seem like a subtle attempt at conditioning or controlling interpretation. 

 

3.4 Resistance
A minority may respond critically, resisting what they perceive as overreach. They may reject the implied directive to mistrust AI or may bristle at the suggestion that leadership should be automatically trusted without accountability.

These four responses are how the Church of God members have reacted to all kinds of things over the decades—from procedural matters, doctrines, church leadership, and more. Members continue to react this way.

Albright ends with this:

4. Implications for Institutional-Individual Dynamics 

 

The message highlights a tension common in religious organizations:
Institutional need: Leaders seek loyalty, cohesion, and protection against external interpretive rivals. Individual perception: Members expect clear spiritual nourishment and may resist or resent what feels like manipulation or unnecessary control. 

 

When side comments appear to carry hidden motives, trust can be undermined rather than strengthened. Ironically, a message about trust risks producing doubt if its purpose seems less about God and more about protecting institutional authority. 

 

5. Conclusion 

 

The coordinated message serves as both a spiritual exhortation and an institutional signal. While its declared theme—trusting God—is broadly accepted, its subtext—trusting authority and mistrusting AI—reveals leadership concerns about maintaining interpretive control in a rapidly shifting information environment. Congregational responses range from acceptance to suspicion, with puzzlement being the most common. For long-term stability, leadership must balance the need to reinforce authority with transparency and genuine spiritual teaching, lest attempts at message control backfire and erode the very trust they seek to build.

Read the entire article here:  White Paper: Institutional Messaging, Trust, and Congregational Response

 

ht: Lee Walker 

Dave Pack Threatens Young People Into Baptism

 

During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 590)," on August 16, 2025, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God applied pressure with threats to "young people" to get baptized before his new deadline for the arrival of the Kingdom to Israel on the Feast of Trumpets (Septemper 23, 2025). David C. Pack lacked the faith to believe God knew how to move His little ones toward baptism in a timely manner and took it upon himself to threaten the loss of eternal life if they did not act quickly. All credit to former member Marc Cebrian for this clip and description: exrcg.org

A Simple Solution for Bob Thiel's Fears

 

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