Crybaby Milquetoast Prophet Still Mad A Year Later For Being Called Out As A False Prophet

I just can't win! The sun is shining brightly here in California, and I've gone and caused our crybaby prophet to pitch another hissy fit over a post from a year ago or more. Never has the church had a more delicate and easily offended self-appointed prophet than we have in the Great Bwana Bob Thiel! Sheesh! Grow a pair!

The Delicate Milquetoast writes:

Last year, I saw the following headline from Gary Leonard at the anti-Church of God, Banned by HWA website:

Herbert Armstrong’s Own Words Make Mincemeat Of Bob Thiel And His Fake Prophet Status

Our milquetoast prophet deceitfully fails to go on and add why he was really upset. There was a video by a pro-HWA group that debunked Bob Thiel claim that he is a prophet when HWA blatantly says there are NO prophets in the church today, but there are a LOT of false prophets!

Holy milquetoast prophet, Batman! Banned has done it again! That Gary is such a BAD person! Stop picking on Bob, you agent of Satan! 

 

Apparently, God's greatest gift to the Church of God popped his self-righteous cork big time over the video produced by a pro-Herbert Armstrong site that took the Great Bwana Bob and other self-appointed COG prophets to the woodshed and gave them all a royal Philadelphian spanking.

This video completely humiliates Bob's claims and correctly points out that since the Bible is complete, there is no need for prophets. The Great Milquetoast Self-Appointed Prophet goes on to sanctimoniously to state this:

Of course, the criteria for a prophet comes from the word of God, the Bible, and not statements from the late Pastor General of the old Radio/Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong.

You can see exactly why no Church of God ever chose to ordain the rebellious anti-government Bob Thiel! Herbert would have kicked Bob's sanctimonious little ass to the curb so fast his big fat Bible would not have had time to hit the ground as he flew through the air.

The Great Milquetoast Bwana then says this while calling out Herbert as being wrong, again. Bob does this in order to stop up his illegitimate self-appointment as a church leader and a prophet.

Now, yes, Herbert W. Armstrong at least once declared that there were no prophets in WCG and no doctrinal need for them. Furthermore, here is what he said in a Bible Study on 1 Corinthians on July 18, 1980:

THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES AND THE PROPHETS

Paul is speaking to the Church. Now the Church of God was raised up primarily for two purposes: that God could call to lead the Church, apostles, the Church is founded on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, the prophets of the Old Testament; because no prophet in the New Testament has anything to do with infusing doctrine into the Church or with an administrative position in the Work of the Church. No prophet had anything to do with any of that; so, the prophets mean, the prophets of the Old Testament. They did not preach to Israel. Israel rejected their writings, ancient Israel. The writings of the prophets, beginning with Isaiah and even other prophets – no you could say with Moses for that matter, and with David in the Psalms. All were for the New Testament Church, believe it or not, and yet today they want to say that we are a New Testament Church; and we don’t want anything to do with that Old Testament. 

 

Let me tell you this is the book of God. Now the Old Testament Church couldn’t proclaim the gospel. The Old Testament Church did not have the Holy Spirit, that’s true; but the prophets did and they were writing for the doctrines of the Church and much of Church doctrine comes from the writings of the prophets; Christ being the chief cornerstone and the Head of the Church. Now just keep that in the background as we begin to read what Paul is writing to one of the Churches. 

 

The bolded portion above is not biblically correct. The Apostle Paul was a prophet and so seemingly was the evangelist Timothy. So those prophets did have administrative as well as doctrinal responsibilities.

Because the milquetoast prophet self-appointed himself as a church leader, he therefore has administrative and doctrinal responsibilities which PROVES he is a true prophet. Once a liar, always a liar.

Milquetoast Bob then runs to Aaron Dean to find legitimacy.

Furthermore, I did discuss Herbert W. Armstrong’s “no prophet” position with his long time aide, Aaron Dean (who HWA also ordained). Aaron Dean basically told me that Herbert W. Armstrong was annoyed by various ones who contacted him claiming to be a prophet and he wanted people to stop doing that. However, Aaron Dean also said that Herbert W. Armstrong was not intending to teach that there would be no more prophets or that they would not have a role in the church as we got closer to the end.

Milquetoast Bob goes on to thump his puny little chest:

I have never been a false prophet and urge all to check out what I have taught with the Bible. 

 

Because I am an imperfect human being and one may not agree with all of my views does NOT make me a false prophet.

The Great Bwana is like all of the other milquetoast false prophets in the church today. As long as they couch statements with "could be, may be, might be, possibly be's" then their puny little asses are off the hook. They aren't! Every single self-appointed Church of God prophet has been and currently are liars! That is a simple fact that CANNOT be refuted! 

A true prophet would not need to be from a major theological institution, have the most magnanimous personality, or have a large or impressive Church, but would be the type willing to meet in members’ homes. He also does not have to have had a ministerial background. Or does the prophet even, like apparently the Apostle Paul per 2 Corinthians 10:10 and 11:6 or Moses per Exodus 4:10 or Jeremiah per Jeremiah 1:6, need to be a great speaker. God chooses who His prophets are.

God certainly chooses who his prophets are, but you are NOT one. That is a fact and one more thing that CANNOT be refuted! 

Milquetoast Bob then continues to dig the hole deeper with his asinine reasoning:

A true prophet is under God’s authority. A true New Testament prophet has had hands laid upon him/her and received special anointing under God’s inspiration. You can not anoint yourself nor come up with doctrine that contradicts the Bible (cf. Revelation 22:18-19) like at least three self-declared, supposed, COG “prophets” (Gerald Flurry, William Dankenbring, and Ronald Weinland) and false predictors (like Harold Camping) have falsely done. God’s prophets are true to the Bible–“Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). 

 

It should be understood that although some of the prophets in the Hebrew scriptures did miracles, and some of the apostles in the Greek scriptures were also prophets, not all ever did (e.g. John 10:41). 

 

But God sometimes does things more quietly.
For example, although Elijah was looking for some dramatic sign (1 Kings 19:11-13), instead God used ”a still small voice” (1 Kings 19:12). Although Elijah accepted that God worked that way (1 Kings 19:13-18), most of the Laodiceans do not. Dreams would be consistent with a “still small voice.”

Dreams after a bad night of sushi is not god inspired. 

Milquetoast Bob's anger is not only directed towards little ol'me, he still has a HUGE burr up his butt with Rod Meredith.

Unlike Herbert W. Armstrong who restored truths to the Philadelphia era, and Bob Thiel who added more details to those truths, etc. Dr. Meredith did not do that. Nor did he fulfill the prophetic office. Nor has anyone currently in LCG done so. Yet, Dr. Meredith wrote that someone had to.On October 3, 2008, Dr. Meredith (then Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God) called me and said to me, “God may consider you to be a prophet.” It was Dr. Meredith who first brought up the topic about Bob Thiel being a prophet. 

 

Dr. Meredith must have brought it up again as an email I sent him on November 16, 2008 stated, “Now, you have mentioned to me a couple of times that God may regard me as a prophet. And, of course, it was you and not I that first brought that subject up.” 

 

In late January/early February 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone that if he (Dr. Meredith) raised his title to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining me (Bob Thiel) as a prophet. He apparently was unwilling to do the ordination without him being above me. But, of course, his position should not have been relevant–but it was to him. 

 

On February 4, 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding of prophecy and details of church history. You could be a prophet–that may be what God will have you do.” He also asked me to pray then that he would live another 7-15 years then–I prayed and he did (he died on May 18, 2017–just a little over 8 years later). 

 

In the Summer of 2009, Dibar Apartian told me that Dr. Meredith had been stating in top level meetings that Bob Thiel may be a prophet. Around this time, I had a prophetic dream related to Dr. Meredith.

Top people in the Living Church of God have said that Rod Meredith NEVER said Bob was a prophet! Rod Meredith rebuked Bob many times over.

Anyway, no, HWA’s word do not make mincemeat of my prophetic role. Herbert W. Armstrong believed that there would be future prophets, Aaron Dean confirmed that, Roderick C. Meredith said that God may consider me to be one, and that had the concurrence of Richard Ames (who HWA ordained) and Dr. Douglas Winnail (who had some type of ordination when HWA was alive). 

 

Despite improper accusations from various ones on the internet that I am some type of a false prophet, to the best of my knowledge I have never once posted a false prediction (and I do try to indicate when something is speculation), nor do those critics actually post any “false” predictions that I supposedly made and provide proof that even one was false. Thus, those who love the truth will not listen to their false dismissals.

Note that Bob is still lying when he tries to claim Gaylyn Bonjour's blessing set him apart to start a new church, be a priest, etc, things with Bonjour had NO intention of happening. 

This is also consistent with the following from the Apostle Paul:

14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. (1 Timothy 4:14, NKJV)

14 Do not be careless about the gifts with which you are endowed, which were conferred on you through a divine revelation when the hands of the elders were placed upon you. (1 Timothy 4:14, Weymouth)

14 Make use of that grace in you, which was given to you by the word of the prophets, when the rulers of the church put their hands on you. (1 Timothy 4:14, BBE)

6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. (2 Timothy 1:6, NKJV) 

 

The Radio Church of God reported:

God gives special gifts — special powers of His Spirit — to those who are set apart by the laying on of hands. Remember that it was by the laying on of hands that Timothy received the added ability, called “prophecy” by the King James translators. (Ellis WH. Why We Have the Laying on of Hands Ceremony. Good News Magazine April-May 1965) 

 

Furthermore, I did not anoint myself– LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour anointed me of December 15, 2011 with oil and prayed I would receive a double-portion of God’s Spirit (which he said was reminiscent of the passing of the mantle)–hence I am not self-ordained, but am God-ordained.

There you have it! Bow down at the feet of the Doubly Blessed, Self-Appointed, Illegitimately Ordained Holy Milquetoast Bob. He be da man! 

Should you divest yourself of all financial assets and give everything to the Church?

All Things in Common?

If you are a true Christian, should you divest yourself of all financial assets and give everything to the Church? When you die, should you leave all (or the majority) of your estate to the Church? Does God need your financial resources to do His work? More importantly, does God expect you to give your money to the Church, some individual, or a particular organization? Were early Christians practical communists? What does Scripture reveal about the financial practices of the early Church - First Century Christianity?

Unfortunately, too many folks in leadership positions within the Christian Community have staked claim to a substantial part of their followers' income. It is, of course, obviously in their self-interest to make sure that their ministry has a reliable and substantial income available to finance their ministries. In this way, many of these ministries have accumulated great wealth and have used those resources for whatever they deem as appropriate/needful.

Even more alarming, many of the groups which are supported by small flocks of people have resorted to some of the most draconian requirements for their membership to remain in good standing with leadership (smaller groups need a bigger chunk of each individual member's pie). Moreover, all fundraising and donations are usually portrayed as obligatory and/or being devoted to God (the human leader or group is rarely even mentioned (If he/she is mentioned, it's usually in their role as "God's servant" or "God's representative" on earth)!

In this connection, it is essential that we understand the tithing system which was used by the ancient Israelite as outlined in Torah, and that we examine the New Testament Scriptures which relate to the finances of the ekklesia of the First Century. Indeed, without this foundation, it would be impossible to formulate any kind of financial system and legitimately attribute it to Almighty God! Remember too, that ANY interpretations of the passages of Scripture offered by many of these ministries we've been discussing were/are motivated by a desire to maximize their income!

First, in terms of God's covenant with the Israelites, we must remember that this particular iteration of God's Law (Torah) was designed for a primitive, agrarian culture surrounded by a bunch of decentralized, polytheistic, and pagan societies. As part of the religious system, which was formulated for them, a tithe or "tenth" of their crops and livestock were to be devoted to sustaining the priestly class and the central sanctuary (Tabernacle at first and Temple at Jerusalem later) outlined in Torah. We should also note that this system was premised on the pre-existing ownership of land, livestock, and seed. Moreover, it was based on whatever INCREASE the farmer experienced over the course of a year. In other words, a large portion of their wealth was excluded from the formula.

Even so, we must also remember that Gentiles had no such tradition to draw upon and were never required to tithe on their income and send the proceeds to the central sanctuary in Jerusalem. Moreover, under the terms of the New Covenant, both Jewish and Gentile Christians were NEVER made subject to the Levitical Priesthood of the Old Covenant. Hence, the notion that the tithing system designed for that priesthood and Temple's support was ever transferred to ANY Christian ministry is purely speculative and NOT supported by Scripture.

Now, we come at last to the Church described in the New Testament. In the book of Acts, after Peter's Pentecost Sermon and the large influx of Jewish converts into the Church, we read: And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.(Acts 2:42-47, ESV) Notice, that the decision to have all things in common and sell possessions was a collective one. It wasn't imposed on the membership by the Apostles, and it was distributed according to need within the membership of the Church. In other words, this practice was a spontaneous reaction of the people to the needs of some of the less fortunate among them.

Indeed, the impression that this feeling was general and spontaneous among the earliest Christians is reinforced by what we find in the fourth chapter of the same book. We read there: Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet. (Acts 4:32-37, ESV) Once again, we see that this was a collective decision of the extant membership, and that the proceeds went to address the needs of the less fortunate among them. Moreover, we are told that a disciple named Barnabas sold some land and brought the entire proceeds of that sale "and laid it at the apostles' feet."

Then, in the very next chapter, we read the story of another transaction by a married couple named Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11). As we read over this story, it is implied that the couple colluded to withhold part of the proceeds of their sale of land for themselves and make it appear that they had made the same kind of offering that Barnabas had made. Nevertheless, according to the account, Peter confronted them about their deception and told them that they hadn't lied to him - that they had lied to the Holy Spirit! In the account, husband and wife both drop dead on the spot as an example of Divine punishment for their prevarication! Even so, notice that it is NOT suggested anywhere in this account that such offerings were a requirement imposed upon the membership by Peter or the other apostles. And, finally, we should note that there was a widespread (and mistaken) impression among the apostles and early disciples that Christ would return in their lifetime. Hence, their willingness to part with worldly wealth was understandable.

Did Jesus Christ have anything to say on the question of Christian giving? He certainly did. He said that Christian giving should be motivated by a desire to please God and help others, and NOT to receive notoriety, gratitude, or accolades from others (Matthew 6:1-4). Christ also taught his disciples that a small amount from someone with limited resources was worth more in God's eyes than a large contribution from someone who was wealthy (Luke 21:1-4).

"Wait, didn't Jesus endorse tithing for New Covenant Christians in the Gospel of Matthew?" our legalistic friends will demand. The answer is an emphatic "NO!" The passage to which they are referring is found in the twenty-third chapter of that book. We read there: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! (Matthew 23:23-24, ESV) First point, who is Christ addressing here? Jewish scribes and Pharisees - folks who are supposed to be operating under the terms of the Old Covenant (Torah)!!! Christ is clearly portrayed here as criticizing the behavior and hypocrisy of Jewish religious leaders. In fact, his remarks were intended to be illustrative of behaviors and attitudes which his disciples should NOT imitate! In other words, the scribes and Pharisees should have been doing those things (including tithing).

Likewise, Christ's apostles taught that Christian giving should be focused on helping others in need and should be done willingly and with joy - NOT out of a sense of obligation, or to fulfill the requirements of some commandment, or in anticipation of some future reward for doing so (II Corinthians 9:7, James 1:27, I John 3:17). Paul's letters to the Christians of Corinth demonstrate that he regularly took up offerings to help Christians in need (I Corinthians 16:1-2, II Corinthians 8:1-14, 9:1-14). Now, Paul was certainly entitled to personal support for his ministry as an apostle of Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, we find him on a number of occasions working to support himself - so that he wouldn't be a financial burden to the brethren of the Church (Acts 18:1-4, I Thessalonians 2:9, I Timothy 5:17-18). And, like Christ, Paul also felt that giving to the Church should NOT infringe on a person's ability to take care of his/her own family (Mark 7:9-13, I Timothy 5:8)!

Thus, we have seen that Christian giving was intended by Christ and his apostles to be a voluntary contribution to help others in need, and to supply the physical needs of the ministry (food, clothing, shelter). Christ and his apostles NEVER commanded their followers to tithe and/or send their money to headquarters. We've also seen that the Scriptural principles behind these freewill offerings precludes using them to support an opulent lifestyle for ministers (like mansions, crystal chandeliers, designer clothing, expensive cars, air-conditioned dog houses), support an organizational bureaucracy, pay for a leader's pet projects, a fancy television studio, a private jet, etc., etc. We have seen that neither Christ nor his apostles endorsed a kind of communist program for the ekklesia or required that believers contribute a certain percentage of their income to support the Church. What should we all have in common? Love for each other and compassion for those in need!

by Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix 

PCG Cult Places Their Celtic Dance Troupe In Danger By Sending Them On Propaganda Tour To Israel

 

The Philadelphia Church of God has been pretending that Celtic Dance is going to convert hordes of new members and that it is a unique way of presenting the gospel message to the world.

They recently shipped off the entire troupe to Israel to put on performances there to open the eyes of the Jewish nation to the holy dance of David and how their heritage is buried in a Hill Tara, in Ireland, where Jeremiah supposedly took the Ark of the Covenant and buried it.

Little did PCG know that almost as soon as they arrived on Haifa that Israel was going to bomb the everliving daylight out of the Islamic filth in Iran that has been threatening the world and holding the Persian people captive. But, the show MUST go on! God will protect them as a witness to the church and the world!

Exit and Support Network has this:

Currently the PCG is having its Irish dance production in Israel. They have two shows remaining, “Be’er Sheva” on the 16th and “Jerusalem” on the 17th. The dance crew consists predominately of minor children who are forced by their parents and church leadership to preform. The Flurrys have discovered a new way to create revenue utilizing child labor! Any reasonable, responsible, loving “leader” would have immediately recalled all plans pertaining to Israel when the President of the United States ordered the relocation of all personnel in the Middle East. But not Gerald Flurry, or Stephen and Amy, or Brad Macdonald. No! The show must go on!

On X, in response to being called out for their careless, greedy actions, the Celtic Throne account posted a picture of them performing the day prior in Haifa, claiming the “Celtic Throne Family were all happy, healthy and safe!” This, only hours ahead of Iran’s retaliations. This is a fantastic example of how they attempt to control the narrative and gaslight its members (who by the way are not permitted to have Smartphones and are encouraged to make the Trumpet.com and other PCG resources their primary news source). 

 

I’m sure in the end they, along with the majority of Israelis and visitors, will most likely be safe; however, it will not be because God protected them because they are a “special and called out people” as they will claim, but because Israel has an incredibly advanced military and intelligence team! Thanks to the IDF, Mossad and the US and UK, the Celtic throne children will probably be fine, but just watch to see PCG spin the entire dastardly situation into a faith building MIRACLE! –T. C.

The PCG boasted how well received the program was in Haifa, Israel, all with a standing ovation. 

Another standing ovation last night, this time in Haifa! Celtic Throne family is happy, healthy and safe—lots of love to our friends, family and fans around the world! pic.twitter.com/l5KyBRweEr

— Celtic Throne (@celtic_throne) June 13, 2025

The Philadelphia Church of God Parody Account on X, noted that the PCG had to cancel its last two shows in Israel because of the threats from Iran.

They also had this:

Happy and safe!! Gerry could have changed his plans when Trump ordered people home from the Middle East, instead he said ‘The show must go on!’ Sending children into a war zone to line the Flurry’s pockets! pic.twitter.com/9WzVk4g71p

— Philadelphia Church of God (parody account) (@PCGparody) June 13, 2025

 

 

Imagine being SO arrogant and self righteous!! Go ahead and thank the IDF, Mossad, and currently the US and UK for providing your safety! God doesn’t care about a cult that manipulates & steals peoples money and lives, run by a man who claims he speaks and rules for God. pic.twitter.com/bqIGPvOA8M

— Philadelphia Church of God (parody account) (@PCGparody) June 13, 2025

Sent their Irish dance show(funded by members) to Israel. As Iran vows to retaliate, you’d think by the PCG’s reasoning, God is trying to tell them something!😆but don’t worry all those child laborers will be ok thanks to the Israeli military NOT Gods protection, as they’ll claim pic.twitter.com/BisGhU5wFb

— Philadelphia Church of God (parody account) (@PCGparody) June 13, 2025

This was PCG gloating about the show in Tel Aviv. All of the Israelis in attendance immediately converted to the PCG and are now sending tithes to Gerald Flurry so he can dig up patriarch Jeremiah's ark buried in Ireland! Amazing!

First show on our world tour done! BIG THANKS to the amazing 2000+ friends at the show last night in Tel Aviv! Join us in your city to experience Irish dance, music, theatre and cinema in the spine-tingling sensation that is Celtic Throne. Tours dates and tickets at… pic.twitter.com/M6y5bYRQAA

— Celtic Throne (@celtic_throne) June 9, 2025

One person on Facebook who knows some of the male dancers said that "this is a closeted gay boy's dream to be part of this production. A lot of pumping iron with the bros at the gym in order to look good on stage and revel in the adulation."

There is no doubt that these young men and women, as well as the smaller kids, are talented, but this is NOT preaching any gospel message to anyone. This is the PCG gaslighting their members into thinking this is gospel preaching so that they will continue to send in money to fund the elite children of the church as props for a failing cult of Armstrongism.

While the audience will stand, clap, and cheer on these kids, no one in attendance will join PCG. It never happened in the Worldwide Church of God when it dumped tens of millions of dollars in tithe money that was spent on lavish stage shows and to bring in musical artists from around the world to perform on the stage of the Ambassador Auditorium. No mass conversions happened. We did piss of the Jewish community as they thought we were out to covert them to the church. No gospel message ever reached them, or anyone else, for that matter.

One thing the Church of God has been good at over the decades is wasting tithe money. Just more proof of how debased Armstrongism really is.